Weapon information and some mechanics

Dasorine · 01-29-2010, 11:50 AM

Ok because forums got archived and can't be searched by the looks of it, heres some good weapons info from the beta:

Weapon Types

All energy weapons have a damage drop off at a distance, getting close will always do more damage, however bolt weapons (cannons and turrets) have a much greater damage drop off then beams, so at maximum range beams will do more damage than bolt weapons, though still less damage then if they were close range. Projectile weapons do not have this drop off, nor are they effected by weapon power settings.

Energy weapons:

Beam Arrays: 250' arc, low burst damage
Dual Beams: 90' arc, medium burst damage

Turret: 360' arc, low sustained DPS

Cannons: 180' arc, medium sustained damage
Dual Cannons: 45' arc, high sustained damage
Dual Heavy Cannons, 45' arc, high burst/sustained damage (same overall damage as dual cannon but in 2 big bursts rather than 4 little hits)

Projectile Weapons:

Torpedoes: 90' arc, very high burst damage (75% less against shields)
Mines: no arc... they're mines you put them down, things come near they go boom... Medium burst damage (75% less against shields)

Damage Types

Ships can have different resistances to different damage types. There also seems to be some other subtle side-effects to the different types:

Space energy types:

Phaser: Chance to disable a random subsystem
Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistance
Plasma: Chance to proc a fire based DoT
Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage
Polaron: Chance to drain power from all subsystems
Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage

Also Ground based damage types:

Phaser: Chance to stun
Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistances
Plasma: Chance to proc fire based DoT
Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage
Polaron: Chance to proc weapon disable
Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage

Projectile:

Photon: Less damage but faster fire rate. Regular boff effect.
Quantum: More damage but slow fire rate. Regular boff effect.
Plasma: medium damage with a chance to apply a DoT that ignores shields (decent against both unshielded and shielded targets). Plasma's version of High Yield fires a Plasma Ball that can be targetted and shot down.
Transphasic - low damage, but more of it penetrates shields (very good against shielded targets, mediocre against unshielded targets). Comes with standard Boff powers.
Chroniton - can slow down enemies. (nice for making enemies' weakened shields harder to protect, or as a rear launcher to use when running away). Comes with standard Boff powers.
Tricobalt - very high damage, and a short disable effect (stops target from using any powers for a moment). has a very long cooldown and doesn't get modified by Boff powers.

Shields:

Shield power: 25 setting gives 0 regen, 50 is 1x regen, 75 is 2x regen, 100 is 3x regen, 125 is 4x regen

Basic - Medium Amount/Regen

Resilient - Medium Amount/Regen
Reduced Bleedthrough, which means your hull is taking less damage while your shields hold.

Regenerative - Low amount, high regen
*PRO reduced downtime, and if you turn fast enough many mobs wont ever penetrate any of your shields specially if you use allocation.
*CON high burst damage such as heavy cannons or torp volleys quickly destroy your shield and begin damaging your hull.

- High amount, low regen
*PRO burst damage such as heavy cannon fire and torps will be absorbed by your shields without touching your hull (bar bleedthrough) allowing you enough time to take counter measures such as sensor scramble, evasive maneuvers or blowing them up before they shoot again.
*CON long downtime for shields to regen, making you vulnerable to sustained DPS

Dasorine · 01-29-2010, 11:51 AM

And mechanics on cooldown based weapons:

Cannons:

Cannons no longer have global cooldowns preventing them being fired together, they now work similiar to beams with accumulative power drains.

Torpedo Launchers:

All torpedo launchers have a 3 second global recharge time, meaning you have to fire them alternately every 3 seconds.

Firing any torpedo launcher will put any other torpedo launcher equipped into the 3 second global cooldown (WARNING: I have not tested aft/fore torpedo cooldown lock, each side may be seperate but I suspect it would take around 3 seconds for most ships to turn that far, but I am happy to hear any personal experiences with fore/aft torpedo set ups)

Each torpedo has its own personal cooldowns (Unlike cannons, the times listed on the weapons info pages are the actual times it takes for the torpedos to be ready to be fired again).

Photon torpedos are 6 seconds, 2 of them will give you a fire rate of 1 every 3 seconds, these are the highest DPS for slots used torpedos.

Note: A third torpedo of a different type can be used with 2 photons, if you fire it off in the place of one of the photons when its personal charge is ready you can add it in for a bonus spike of damage/special while maintaining the fire rate of 1 every 3 seconds.

Quantum and Plasma torpedos have 8 second personal cooldowns, 3 of them will give you a 1 shot every 3 seconds, quantums will give you a higher dps then photons when 3 are equiped and plasma will do more hull damage then photons if enemy has lots of shield/shield regen.

NOTE: The third quantum and plasma torpedo will not give as much gain as the second as it only cuts off 2 seconds rather than a full 3 from the cycle.

Transphasic and Chroniton have 10 seconds personal cooldowns, that means 4 of them will give you a rate of 1 shot every 3 seconds, transphasic will give you the highest DPS out of all the torpedos at that point due to its shield piercing bonus, Chroniton will slow the enemys movement.

NOTE: The 4th transphasic or chroniton launcher will not be as effective as the 2nd or 3rd, cutting only 1 second off the cycle time compared to the 3 seconds the other two will give.

Tricobolt are special in the fact that they are not effected by BOff skills and have a shared cooldown of 30 seconds, this means the fastest you will ever fire a tricobolt device is 1 every 30 seconds but the total cooldown is apparently 1 minute. This should not effect the other launchers though (beyond putting them into a 3 second global).

So in short:

Max fire rate of torpedos is 1 every 3 seconds.
2 photons will give you the max rate
3 quantum or plasma will give you the max rate
4 transphasic or chroniton will give you the max rate
2 tricobolt is the maximum you can use.

Mines:

Ok I have to come clean, I have done very little actual tests beyond cooldown tests on these, I cannot offer any wisdom as to what the effects/damage the mines are like or really the activation time. I would go along with the same effects as the torpedo variants (although probably of lesser strength). I will just state the facts of cooldown.

Mines have a 9 second global cooldown.

Photons have a 12 second personal, making 2 give you a 9 second deploy rate but only cutting off 3 seconds.

Quantums and Plasma have a 16 second cooldown, 2 will give you a 9 second deploy rate, with the second cutting off 7 seconds (much better!)

Chroniton and Transphasic have a 20 second cooldown rate, 3 will give you a 9 second deploy rate, but the third will only cut 2 seconds off the cycle.

I am not aware of any tricobolt mines, I have not seen anything stated about their existance, I assume there is but they will work on the same 30 second shared cooldown for tricobolt weapons.

In short:

Mines max rate of fire is a deployment every 9 seconds
Photons take 2 to hit this max, but with a high diminishing return for the second.
Quantums and Plasmas take 2 to hit this max, with a reasonable diminishing return for the second.
Chroniton and Transphasic take 3 to hit this max, with an extreme diminishing return for the 3rd one.
2 Tricobolt should be the max you can use.

Hope this helps.

mdarga · 01-29-2010, 03:00 PM

Good stuff

Liquidisim · 01-29-2010, 03:16 PM

sticky sticky

Eleriel · 01-29-2010, 03:27 PM

was gonna post something like this myself. now I have more time to play the game with instead

Cruis.In · 01-30-2010, 05:21 AM

wow a 2010 member who is not a troll. well done. especially the 'in short' parts, so people see in a nutshell how they can fit their ships without wasting slots.

Tepeu · 01-30-2010, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dasorine

Ok because forums got archived and can't be searched by the looks of it, heres some good weapons info from the beta:

Weapon Types

Beam Arrays: 250' arc, low burst damage
Dual Beams: 90' arc, medium burst damage

Turret: 360' arc, low sustained DPS

Cannons: 180' arc, medium sustained damage
Dual Cannons: 45' arc, high sustained damage
Dual Heavy Cannons, 45' arc, high burst/sustained damage (same overall damage as dual cannon but in 2 big bursts rather than 4 little hits)

Torpedoes: 90' arc, very high burst damage (75% less against shields)
Mines: no arc... they're mines you put them down, things come near they go boom... Medium burst damage (75% less against shields)

Damage Types

Ships can have different resistances to different damage types. There also seems to be some other subtle side-effects to the different types:

Space energy types:

Phaser: Chance to disable a random subsystem
Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistance
Plasma: Chance to proc a fire based DoT
Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage
Polaron: Chance to drain power from all subsystems
Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage

Also Ground based damage types:

Phaser: Chance to stun
Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistances
Plasma: Chance to proc fire based DoT
Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage
Polaron: Chance to proc weapon disable
Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage

Projectile:

Photon: Less damage but faster fire rate. Regular boff effect.
Quantum: More damage but slow fire rate. Regular boff effect.
Plasma: medium damage with a chance to apply a DoT that ignores shields (decent against both unshielded and shielded targets). Plasma's version of High Yield fires a Plasma Ball that can be targetted and shot down.
Transphasic - low damage, but much more of it penetrates shields (very good against shielded targets, mediocre against unshielded targets). Comes with standard Boff powers.
Chroniton - can slow down enemies. (nice for making enemies' weakened shields harder to protect, or as a rear launcher to use when running away). Comes with standard Boff powers.
Tricobalt - very high damage, and a short disable effect (stops target from using any powers for a moment). has a very long cooldown and doesn't get modified by Boff powers.

Shields:

Shield power: 25 setting gives 0 regen, 50 is 1x regen, 75 is 2x regen, 100 is 3x regen, 125 is 4x regen

Basic - Medium Amount/Regen

Resilient - Medium Amount/Regen
Reduced Bleedthrough, which means your hull is taking less damage while your shields hold.

Regenerative - Low amount, high regen
*PRO reduced downtime, and if you turn fast enough many mobs wont ever penetrate any of your shields specially if you use allocation.
*CON high burst damage such as heavy cannons or torp volleys quickly destroy your shield and begin damaging your hull.

- High amount, low regen
*PRO burst damage such as heavy cannon fire and torps will be absorbed by your shields without touching your hull (bar bleedthrough) allowing you enough time to take counter measures such as sensor scramble, evasive maneuvers or blowing them up before they shoot again.
*CON long downtime for shields to regen, making you vulnerable to sustained DPS

Do disruptors resist debuff last for a few seconds when it works or does that debuff only affect the disruptor blast that caused the debuff?

Dasorine · 01-30-2010, 05:41 AM

for a few seconds. Not sure how many though.

scottmana · 01-30-2010, 11:28 AM

Wow, very nice. The OP did allot of homework, thanks allot.

wolf1790 · 01-30-2010, 12:38 PM

so i just started yesterday and quick question, does any ship have more than just three weapon slots or is that standard for all ships?

01-29-2010, 11:50 AM	#1
Dasorine Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	Weapon information and some mechanics Ok because forums got archived and can't be searched by the looks of it, heres some good weapons info from the beta: Weapon Types All energy weapons have a damage drop off at a distance, getting close will always do more damage, however bolt weapons (cannons and turrets) have a much greater damage drop off then beams, so at maximum range beams will do more damage than bolt weapons, though still less damage then if they were close range. Projectile weapons do not have this drop off, nor are they effected by weapon power settings. Energy weapons: Beam Arrays: 250' arc, low burst damage Dual Beams: 90' arc, medium burst damage Turret: 360' arc, low sustained DPS Cannons: 180' arc, medium sustained damage Dual Cannons: 45' arc, high sustained damage Dual Heavy Cannons, 45' arc, high burst/sustained damage (same overall damage as dual cannon but in 2 big bursts rather than 4 little hits) Projectile Weapons: Torpedoes: 90' arc, very high burst damage (75% less against shields) Mines: no arc... they're mines you put them down, things come near they go boom... Medium burst damage (75% less against shields) Damage Types Ships can have different resistances to different damage types. There also seems to be some other subtle side-effects to the different types: Space energy types: Phaser: Chance to disable a random subsystem Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistance Plasma: Chance to proc a fire based DoT Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage Polaron: Chance to drain power from all subsystems Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage Also Ground based damage types: Phaser: Chance to stun Disruptor: Chance to debuff damage resistances Plasma: Chance to proc fire based DoT Tetryon: Chance to proc Shield damage Polaron: Chance to proc weapon disable Anti-Proton: Bonus Crit damage Projectile: Photon: Less damage but faster fire rate. Regular boff effect. Quantum: More damage but slow fire rate. Regular boff effect. Plasma: medium damage with a chance to apply a DoT that ignores shields (decent against both unshielded and shielded targets). Plasma's version of High Yield fires a Plasma Ball that can be targetted and shot down. Transphasic - low damage, but more of it penetrates shields (very good against shielded targets, mediocre against unshielded targets). Comes with standard Boff powers. Chroniton - can slow down enemies. (nice for making enemies' weakened shields harder to protect, or as a rear launcher to use when running away). Comes with standard Boff powers. Tricobalt - very high damage, and a short disable effect (stops target from using any powers for a moment). has a very long cooldown and doesn't get modified by Boff powers. Shields: Shield power: 25 setting gives 0 regen, 50 is 1x regen, 75 is 2x regen, 100 is 3x regen, 125 is 4x regen Basic - Medium Amount/Regen Resilient - Medium Amount/Regen Reduced Bleedthrough, which means your hull is taking less damage while your shields hold. Regenerative - Low amount, high regen PRO reduced downtime, and if you turn fast enough many mobs wont ever penetrate any of your shields specially if you use allocation. CON high burst damage such as heavy cannons or torp volleys quickly destroy your shield and begin damaging your hull. - High amount, low regen PRO burst damage such as heavy cannon fire and torps will be absorbed by your shields without touching your hull (bar bleedthrough) allowing you enough time to take counter measures such as sensor scramble, evasive maneuvers or blowing them up before they shoot again. CON long downtime for shields to regen, making you vulnerable to sustained DPS Last edited by Dasorine : 02-16-2010 at 10:22 AM.

01-29-2010, 11:51 AM	#2
Dasorine Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	And mechanics on cooldown based weapons: Cannons: Cannons no longer have global cooldowns preventing them being fired together, they now work similiar to beams with accumulative power drains. Torpedo Launchers: All torpedo launchers have a 3 second global recharge time, meaning you have to fire them alternately every 3 seconds. Firing any torpedo launcher will put any other torpedo launcher equipped into the 3 second global cooldown (WARNING: I have not tested aft/fore torpedo cooldown lock, each side may be seperate but I suspect it would take around 3 seconds for most ships to turn that far, but I am happy to hear any personal experiences with fore/aft torpedo set ups) Each torpedo has its own personal cooldowns (Unlike cannons, the times listed on the weapons info pages are the actual times it takes for the torpedos to be ready to be fired again). Photon torpedos are 6 seconds, 2 of them will give you a fire rate of 1 every 3 seconds, these are the highest DPS for slots used torpedos. Note: A third torpedo of a different type can be used with 2 photons, if you fire it off in the place of one of the photons when its personal charge is ready you can add it in for a bonus spike of damage/special while maintaining the fire rate of 1 every 3 seconds. Quantum and Plasma torpedos have 8 second personal cooldowns, 3 of them will give you a 1 shot every 3 seconds, quantums will give you a higher dps then photons when 3 are equiped and plasma will do more hull damage then photons if enemy has lots of shield/shield regen. NOTE: The third quantum and plasma torpedo will not give as much gain as the second as it only cuts off 2 seconds rather than a full 3 from the cycle. Transphasic and Chroniton have 10 seconds personal cooldowns, that means 4 of them will give you a rate of 1 shot every 3 seconds, transphasic will give you the highest DPS out of all the torpedos at that point due to its shield piercing bonus, Chroniton will slow the enemys movement. NOTE: The 4th transphasic or chroniton launcher will not be as effective as the 2nd or 3rd, cutting only 1 second off the cycle time compared to the 3 seconds the other two will give. Tricobolt are special in the fact that they are not effected by BOff skills and have a shared cooldown of 30 seconds, this means the fastest you will ever fire a tricobolt device is 1 every 30 seconds but the total cooldown is apparently 1 minute. This should not effect the other launchers though (beyond putting them into a 3 second global). So in short: Max fire rate of torpedos is 1 every 3 seconds. 2 photons will give you the max rate 3 quantum or plasma will give you the max rate 4 transphasic or chroniton will give you the max rate 2 tricobolt is the maximum you can use. Mines: Ok I have to come clean, I have done very little actual tests beyond cooldown tests on these, I cannot offer any wisdom as to what the effects/damage the mines are like or really the activation time. I would go along with the same effects as the torpedo variants (although probably of lesser strength). I will just state the facts of cooldown. Mines have a 9 second global cooldown. Photons have a 12 second personal, making 2 give you a 9 second deploy rate but only cutting off 3 seconds. Quantums and Plasma have a 16 second cooldown, 2 will give you a 9 second deploy rate, with the second cutting off 7 seconds (much better!) Chroniton and Transphasic have a 20 second cooldown rate, 3 will give you a 9 second deploy rate, but the third will only cut 2 seconds off the cycle. I am not aware of any tricobolt mines, I have not seen anything stated about their existance, I assume there is but they will work on the same 30 second shared cooldown for tricobolt weapons. In short: Mines max rate of fire is a deployment every 9 seconds Photons take 2 to hit this max, but with a high diminishing return for the second. Quantums and Plasmas take 2 to hit this max, with a reasonable diminishing return for the second. Chroniton and Transphasic take 3 to hit this max, with an extreme diminishing return for the 3rd one. 2 Tricobolt should be the max you can use. Hope this helps. Last edited by Dasorine : 03-26-2010 at 06:51 AM.

01-29-2010, 03:00 PM	#3
mdarga Cryptic Studios Team Join Date: Jun 2009	Good stuff __________________ Staff System Designer

01-29-2010, 03:27 PM	#5
Eleriel Career Officer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	was gonna post something like this myself. now I have more time to play the game with instead __________________ "We are salesman of Borg, prepare to be annoyed. Resistance is futile." Small things to enhance gameplay.

01-30-2010, 05:21 AM	#6
Cruis.In Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	wow a 2010 member who is not a troll. well done. especially the 'in short' parts, so people see in a nutshell how they can fit their ships without wasting slots. __________________ ------------- Also, if you ask Cryptic to nerf something they will end up giving it negative hitpoints and make it explode once you zone in. Then they'll give it millions of hitpoints and make you explode when you zone in to fix that once people start complaining about it being too easy. ---------------

01-29-2010, 03:16 PM	#4
Liquidisim Member Join Date: Dec 2009	sticky sticky

01-30-2010, 05:41 AM	#8
Dasorine Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	for a few seconds. Not sure how many though.

01-30-2010, 11:28 AM	#9
scottmana Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Wow, very nice. The OP did allot of homework, thanks allot.

01-30-2010, 12:38 PM	#10
wolf1790 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008	weapon slots so i just started yesterday and quick question, does any ship have more than just three weapon slots or is that standard for all ships?