Klingons and the Feds - What Happened?

Polaron · 08-15-2008, 07:38 AM

Cast your minds back a few years, to the end of Deep Space Nine. The Federation and the Klingon Empire had just helped each other send the Dominion packing after years of total warfare. The Romulans helped too, of course, but they aren't germane to this discussion.

Anyway. The Klingons and Feds had become quite close allies and friends, and it looked like the course was set for the Klingon Empire to join the Federation someday.

Fast forward to Star Trek Online. Relations have deteriorated over the past thirty years to the point that pretty much open war seems to be taking place (only way to rationalize PvP between the two groups, I think). What happened? What took place to cause these two formerly staunch allies to start shooting at each other again?

Did the House of Duras finally manage to take over? Are the Romulans up to their old "Cause everyone to hate everyone else" tricks and, if so, would we be able to expose them and maybe cause a reconciliation (causing Fed/Klingon PvP to end but them vs Romulans to begin when Romulans get added)?

Wild Mass Guess away!

njdss4 · 08-15-2008, 07:48 AM

Polaron, your astute description of how the Federation and Klingon Empire were on the best of terms after the Dominion War is exactly what confuses me about Cryptic's STO. How could things deteriorate when Martok was Chancellor AND Worf was the Federation Ambassador to Kronos?

Any explanation Cryptic offers will not be enough in my eyes. The Star Trek writers and creators were pushing towards a complete merging of the Klingon Empire and the Federation, but since Cryptic needed to put PvP into this game they decided to throw all of that out the window. It's a cop-out and extremely disappointing. Any other species outside of the Federation would have made more sense than the Klingons. It's ridiculous and I don't like it.

KidBang · 08-15-2008, 07:50 AM

It's been 30 years, who's to say what's happened in that time. Plus, let's face it, the Klingons are warlike expansionists. They might have gone back to traditional ways.

ibby1kanobi · 08-15-2008, 07:54 AM

It goes totally against the end story in DS9, but let's see what they come up with. I really didn't like the Fed V Klingon thing at all. It makes little sense. They are going to have to come up with something drastic to change the relationships. We'll see.

BreachAndClear · 08-15-2008, 07:54 AM

Governments change, revolutions happen. Just because everything was good towards the end of the events in DS9, doesn't mean that an individual with an anti-Federation ideology didn't rise to prominence in the Klingon government in those 30 years.

Roka · 08-15-2008, 07:55 AM

It started because of the great twinkie debate. The Federation wouldnt share

VulcanPhsyco · 08-15-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by njdss4

Polaron, your astute description of how the Federation and Klingon Empire were on the best of terms after the Dominion War is exactly what confuses me about Cryptic's STO. How could things deteriorate when Martok was Chancellor AND Worf was the Federation Ambassador to Kronos?

Any explanation Cryptic offers will not be enough in my eyes. The Star Trek writers and creators were pushing towards a complete merging of the Klingon Empire and the Federation, but since Cryptic needed to put PvP into this game they decided to throw all of that out the window. It's a cop-out and extremely disappointing. Any other species outside of the Federation would have made more sense than the Klingons. It's ridiculous and I don't like it.

You should read the "The state of the Alpha and Beta quadrants- a speculation", thread, its really good.

KidBang · 08-15-2008, 07:56 AM

Yeah, I mean look at how drastically the world's view of the US has just the last few years. And we aren't from a empire who favors DEATH FIRST.

IanD967 · 08-15-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by njdss4

How could things deteriorate when Martok was Chancellor AND Worf was the Federation Ambassador to Kronos?.

Martok and Worf both assassinated perhaps? and since no-one was around to claim the throne (so to speak) the house of Duras could of risen back up and claimed it either that OR the Duras house has managed to get a civil war started and half the empire is at war with the Federation while the other half are still at peace

Mordekaih · 08-15-2008, 07:58 AM

Now that I think about it... Wait a moment! How did it get all pear shaped? We can be positive about this and think..."If they do pull off a valid reason then oh my, this game has that much more flavour" or... "I feel cheated, they can't change what the shows wrote we have to stay with the more logical course!"

Personally.... KAPLAAGH! The federation is weak!

08-15-2008, 07:38 AM	#1
Polaron Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	Klingons and the Feds - What Happened? Cast your minds back a few years, to the end of Deep Space Nine. The Federation and the Klingon Empire had just helped each other send the Dominion packing after years of total warfare. The Romulans helped too, of course, but they aren't germane to this discussion. Anyway. The Klingons and Feds had become quite close allies and friends, and it looked like the course was set for the Klingon Empire to join the Federation someday. Fast forward to Star Trek Online. Relations have deteriorated over the past thirty years to the point that pretty much open war seems to be taking place (only way to rationalize PvP between the two groups, I think). What happened? What took place to cause these two formerly staunch allies to start shooting at each other again? Did the House of Duras finally manage to take over? Are the Romulans up to their old "Cause everyone to hate everyone else" tricks and, if so, would we be able to expose them and maybe cause a reconciliation (causing Fed/Klingon PvP to end but them vs Romulans to begin when Romulans get added)? Wild Mass Guess away! __________________ Captain Toman Carn, joined Trill. USS Indianapolis, Vanguard-class. NCC-194507-B. Repensum est Canicula.

08-15-2008, 07:48 AM	#2
njdss4 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Riverside, CA	Polaron, your astute description of how the Federation and Klingon Empire were on the best of terms after the Dominion War is exactly what confuses me about Cryptic's STO. How could things deteriorate when Martok was Chancellor AND Worf was the Federation Ambassador to Kronos? Any explanation Cryptic offers will not be enough in my eyes. The Star Trek writers and creators were pushing towards a complete merging of the Klingon Empire and the Federation, but since Cryptic needed to put PvP into this game they decided to throw all of that out the window. It's a cop-out and extremely disappointing. Any other species outside of the Federation would have made more sense than the Klingons. It's ridiculous and I don't like it. __________________ "<+Cryptic_Rehpic> server, i smiteth thee!" "Congratulations, Lieutenant! Congratulations, Lieutenant! Congratulations, Lieutenant! Congratulations, Lieutenant!" - Leonard Nimoy, Closed Beta First three people who can correctly guess what my username stands for gets immortalized here in my sig forever. FIRST - woobeforethesun --- Congratulations! 2nd - Eryxx 3rd - Hiroki

08-15-2008, 07:50 AM	#3
KidBang Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jersey	It's been 30 years, who's to say what's happened in that time. Plus, let's face it, the Klingons are warlike expansionists. They might have gone back to traditional ways. __________________ Captain Michael Placio USS McCrimmon Fleet - Unnamed.

08-15-2008, 07:54 AM	#4
ibby1kanobi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	It goes totally against the end story in DS9, but let's see what they come up with. I really didn't like the Fed V Klingon thing at all. It makes little sense. They are going to have to come up with something drastic to change the relationships. We'll see. __________________ "Fate protects fools, little children and ships named Enterprise" -- Cmdr. Riker (Contagion)

08-15-2008, 07:56 AM	#8
KidBang Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jersey	Yeah, I mean look at how drastically the world's view of the US has just the last few years. And we aren't from a empire who favors DEATH FIRST. __________________ Captain Michael Placio USS McCrimmon Fleet - Unnamed.

08-15-2008, 07:54 AM	#5
BreachAndClear Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	Governments change, revolutions happen. Just because everything was good towards the end of the events in DS9, doesn't mean that an individual with an anti-Federation ideology didn't rise to prominence in the Klingon government in those 30 years.

08-15-2008, 07:55 AM	#6
Roka Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: California	It started because of the great twinkie debate. The Federation wouldnt share

08-15-2008, 07:58 AM	#10
Mordekaih Member Join Date: Aug 2008	Now that I think about it... Wait a moment! How did it get all pear shaped? We can be positive about this and think..."If they do pull off a valid reason then oh my, this game has that much more flavour" or... "I feel cheated, they can't change what the shows wrote we have to stay with the more logical course!" Personally.... KAPLAAGH! The federation is weak! __________________ "Perhaps today is a good day to die!" - Lieutenant Worf