The enterprise had stores? lol

[aguila432]

Im sittin here watchin an old episode of tng where tasha yar is in counselor trois quarters goin through her clothes for something to wear. i guess shes under some sort of , lol well right nows shes struttin here stuff around the ship i think this is where she and data get it on. But she tells troi "never mind ill find what Im lookin for in the ships stores".

Man they had stores? I dont remember that. That ship must have been like a small city.

[Reinkaos]

Store as in a depository or inventory..

[Silverspar]

Im sittin here watchin an old episode of tng where tasha yar is in counselor trois quarters goin through her clothes for something to wear. i guess shes under some sort of , lol well right nows shes struttin here stuff around the ship i think this is where she and data get it on. But she tells troi "never mind ill find what Im lookin for in the ships stores".

Man they had stores? I dont remember that. That ship must have been like a small city.

Galaxy class technically was, and that episode is the Naked Now. Anyways, yea, technically starships do have a provisions department. And I believe a Galaxy class can hold something like 8,000 to 10,000 people if pressed.

[The_Fred]

Galaxy class technically was, and that episode is the Naked Now. Anyways, yea, technically starships do have a provisions department. And I believe a Galaxy class can hold something like 8,000 to 10,000 people if pressed.
Man 8,000 people! Only 1,000 people live in my small town.

[WinterPark1701]

Im sittin here watchin an old episode of tng where tasha yar is in counselor trois quarters goin through her clothes for something to wear. i guess shes under some sort of , lol well right nows shes struttin here stuff around the ship i think this is where she and data get it on. But she tells troi "never mind ill find what Im lookin for in the ships stores".

Man they had stores? I dont remember that. That ship must have been like a small city.

Ships Stores is a naval term for supply, inventory ect ect ect. Its not litteraly a Wal-Mart on the ship, though on a Galaxy that could be a very profitable idea. I do however think the idea of famlies on a Starship is stuipd, it'd be something like putting famlies on a Aircraft Carrier.

[aguila432]

lol yea man but the quarters have furniture and all kinds of stuff inside. i dont think shelves, couches and exotic clothes are stocked in naval vessells O.o.

[sylvermane64]

Um.....Replicators.

[outcast341]

The proper term for a "store" or "shop" on military base or installation is an "excahnge".

[aguila432]

Um.....Replicators.

My point exactly! :) so why would they need stores?

[Silverspar]

My point exactly! :) so why would they need stores?

Use of the replicators is rationed off, there is a limit since it would have to draw power from the main systems of the starship.

[ParkerHayden]

Galaxy class technically was, and that episode is the Naked Now. Anyways, yea, technically starships do have a provisions department. And I believe a Galaxy class can hold something like 8,000 to 10,000 people if pressed.
Although, it's usually just 1,000 people. Plus several hundred people not in Starfleet.

[Varrangian]

This is what the third episode of TNG. To be 100% honest (I've been watching all the series again from episode one and saw this one last week), it does sound like Yar meant stores as in shopping, but I think that is because they were not sure how they wanted to present the show at that point.

The major reason to believe that Yar is looking to shop is because if you look at the clothing she is trying on in Troi's room, you'll realize this isn't stuff they have lying around in storage.

Again the Galaxy class Enterprise-D had civilians on board. We see this through out the series it makes sense that there would be certain non-naval traditions followed on the ship.

[GAMER_RET]

the total amount of people that can be on board the galaxy is 1400 people not 8000 or 1000 people.

[The_Fred]

The proper term for a "store" or "shop" on military base or installation is an "excahnge".
Or they can be called the PX

[The_Fred]

the total amount of people that can be on board the galaxy is 1400 people not 8000 or 1000 people.
Are you saying the maximum amount is 1400 people? Because if 1400 people can board, than 1000 people should be able to.

[Kaon]

the total amount of people that can be on board the galaxy is 1400 people not 8000 or 1000 people.

According to the Bridge Commander manual:

Complement: 185 Officers, 525 Enlisted Crew, 1,000-5,000 Passengers
(1710 Total Standard Crew), 15,000 person evaculation limit

[Silverspar]

Are you saying the maximum amount is 1400 people? Because if 1400 people can board, than 1000 people should be able to.

1400 wouldn't be small cosnidering the crew compiment of a Gakaxy is 500 to 600. Memeory alpha lists the compliment at 1,016, I was talking evac limit.

[aguila432]

welp cannon is cannon eitherway, and if they had even 100 people aboard there would be a need for some form of trade and somewhere to do it. = store. which kinda goes against the way I had imagined people trading in this game which would be to create blueprints that stay stored in the ships computer or a players datapad and then created materialy at a spacestation. /shrug a store is a store though. thanks to all who replied.

[r2data]

My point exactly! :) so why would they need stores?

It's quite possible she meant that she'll replicate new ones. Ships stores could mean the patterns stored in the replicator database, or perhaps the matter stored in the replicator to create new material.

It's just semantics.

[k.mpok]

Use of the replicators is rationed off, there is a limit since it would have to draw power from the main systems of the starship.

I must have missed where replicators were rationed off in the normal series. It seems the only series that make mention of replicator rationing is on Voyager and that was because they could not easily replace energy and material (replicator goop matter. The book: The Physics of Star Trek, talk about the basic component matter used) and thus had to ration it out.

It's quite possible she meant that she'll replicate new ones. Ships stores could mean the patterns stored in the replicator database, or perhaps the matter stored in the replicator to create new material.

It's just semantics.

I always assumed it meant storage also but guess thats the military training in me. It makes you wonder where they get all their period costumes for when they visit the holodeck as you never here them talking about replicating period clothing.

I guess the ships computer might have some form of internet shopping feature, hehe. I don't see the internet dying off anytime soon or just being a generation fad.

[r2data]

I always assumed it meant storage also but guess thats the military training in me. It makes you wonder where they get all their period costumes for when they visit the holodeck as you never here them talking about replicating period clothing.

I guess the ships computer might have some form of internet shopping feature, hehe. I don't see the internet dying off anytime soon or just being a generation fad.

I agree that the term would include actual storage space in the ship. It wouldn't make sense that a starship'd devote physical storage just for clothes though, especially when they're easily replicable.

As for the holodeck, I believe the holodeck has replicator capabilities as well, not just forcefields. That's why they can interact with the environment, pick up stones, rocks and so on. And that's why Picard's bullets worked, once he'd removed the safeties.

Intenet shopping? Maybe. Who knows? :D

[k.mpok]

As for the holodeck, I believe the holodeck has replicator capabilities as well, not just forcefields. That's why they can interact with the environment, pick up stones, rocks and so on. And that's why Picard's bullets worked, once he'd removed the safeties.

Very true but if I remember my TNG one of the early episodes of Pikard visiting the Holodeck (one of the early mentions of the Dixon Hill holonovel series) Picard is dressed the part and one of the crew ask about his clothing and he replies by making mention of storage, it might have been Data and the James Moriarty episodes but I think it was one of the Dixon Hills.

[Father_Origin]

ahhh, most are making a mistake here.

She is prob refering to a store...but what is a store in that time period?

Replicators prob make the basics, but exotic stuff requires a special pattern
for the replicator (ref the many times where a character said that he/she needed
to load a recipe into thier replicator for a special dish)
so the 'store' is a place that has those special patterns, and you could
buy those items (which the store would replicate for you on the spot)

also ref when worf was trying to buy a wedding gift...he was at a special replicator
brousing what was available.

my take on it

[marscentral]

People still make clothes, even though they can be replicated. After all, on DS9 we see Garek making clothes and even doing uniform alterations when in theory an officer's measurements and uniform design should be in the computer.

[masterguns]

In the episode when data and worf go to to the replicator terminal to get gifts for the O'brians wedding, you see a family replicating a teddy bear for a child, that should solve where you get items. Star trek exists as a post scarcity ecomony thanks to replicators.

[lumpking69]

They even had Barbershops :-)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Barbershop

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ship%27s_store

[Volomon]

I think you guys are literally dumbing down the word store. You have to look at it from her perspective not yours. Store would mean storage to any military person, and since star fleet is part of the military and everything is done in a military fashion the leap from store to a shopping center is retarded. Not to mention they didn't have money so it sure as heck wouldn't be called a store, because you buy things in a store, not take them.

The replicator probably had a catalog system which the closest they get to a store on a starship.

They even had Barbershops :-)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Barbershop

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ship%27s_store

Ya I don't think they taught the replicator how to cut hair yet.

[curtst]

I don't feel like reading all the posts, but, modern day air craft carriers have stores, or at least one. Probably a Post Exchange or something along those lines.

I think you guys are literally dumbing down the word store. You have to look at it from her perspective not yours. Store would mean storage to any military person, and since star fleet is part of the military and everything is done in a military fashion the leap from store to a shopping center is retarded. Not to mention they didn't have money so it sure as heck wouldn't be called a store, because you buy things in a store, not take them.

They had to have some type of currency. In the very first episode of TNG Crusher was purchasing an item on a planet and tells the seller to charge her account. If she didn't have any type of currency to give to the person why charge her account? Why even have an account?

I am in the military, I hear store, I think of a regular store where I can go buy things, like a, clothes, games, a tv if you want one.

[Volomon]

I don't feel like reading all the posts, but, modern day air craft carriers have stores, or at least one. Probably a Post Exchange or something along those lines. They also have fast food restaurants on them such as Burger King. No reason to think a Galaxy class starship wouldn't have them, especially since civilians live on them too.

Except for food they have the galley (ten forward), they have no money, they have replicators, ect ect

[Varrangian]

I think you guys are literally dumbing down the word store. You have to look at it from her perspective not yours. Store would mean storage to any military person, and since star fleet is part of the military and everything is done in a military fashion the leap from store to a shopping center is retarded. Not to mention they didn't have money so it sure as heck wouldn't be called a store, because you buy things in a store, not take them.

The replicator probably had a catalog system which the closest they get to a store on a starship.



Ya I don't think they taught the replicator how to cut hair yet.

Go watch the episode. She is looking to get some lingerie and makes it seem very clear she will be buying it.

While this might be "inconsistent" with what we know about Trek in this period. It actually makes sense because it was the third episode. It is inconsistent because they haven't even established replicators as the be all end all yet.

[aguila432]

ships stores isnt a bad idea for player trade. maybe something that functions similar to the bizarre from swg. You could enter your design to your ship stores computer and other players could browse from thier own ship or space stations computer and buy that print on a click, then have the replicator create it based off the schematic.

I guess to make those prints we could work on them in the holodeck. This way we dont have a bunch of extra items laying around, better yet make them stack as prints on the terminal. /shrug

Im not havin a hard time believing yar meant this as a store at all and i wont try to convince anyone of my view on it but to me It opens up more crafting and trade possibilties for the playerbase in this game. So i welcome it as odd a find as it was.

[Riceball]

I don't feel like reading all the posts, but, modern day air craft carriers have stores, or at least one. Probably a Post Exchange or something along those lines. They also have fast food restaurants on them such as Burger King. No reason to think a Galaxy class starship wouldn't have them, especially since civilians live on them too.


While aircraft carriers do have small stores on them they aren't all that ;large and carry mainly things like snacks, batteries, misc. sundries, and ship & Navy logo merchandise. Think more of an AM/PM gas station convenience store kind of thing than a Walmart or Target.

As far as fast food restaurants onboard, I've never once heard of a carrier having a fast food restaurant aboard. A carrier has many things but a fast food restaurant, to the best of my knowledge, is not one of them; there's just no room or personnel aboard for something like that. As large as a carrier is there's (like every warship) very little in the way of extra space which is one of the reasons why all carrier planes have fold up wings and why enlisted men sleep in bunks the size of a coffin stacked 3 - 4 people high with a good dozen or more per berthing area.

[vp21ct]

In Star Trek, most "Stores" or "Shops" are just places where a person who can make something hand crafted bartters it off for something else. On most ships these would be done out of the crewmans Quarters. But on a ship the size of the Enterprise D, with Civillian families on board, it would be feasible to think that they would have certain areas or rooms set aside to facilitate these things. Sort of like how they have Ten Forward, or when neelix made that Kitchen on Voyager.

[Kinjiru]

Use of the replicators is rationed off, there is a limit since it would have to draw power from the main systems of the starship.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time we saw anything about replicator use being restricted was specifically on Voyager, due to their very limited resources. The power draw couldn't possibly be the reason, unless some one decided to replicate 40,000 pairs of pants at the same time. I've never heard of power drain given as a reason for anything to do with the replicators. Resources yes, they require some form of raw matter to create from, but power? No way. It would take no more power than running a transporter, and probably less, judging by the fact that most objects created are smaller than a person, and much less complex.

Also, the Holodeck is run by a combination of holo, replicator and transporter technology, where literally, dozens (or many more) of objects are replicated for a single session, simultaneously. If power drain were a factor then using the holodeck could not have been as casual an instance as TNG made it out to be.

[Azurian]

People forget that Roddenberry wanted to indicate the Galaxy-class is basically a "city in space" where the crew have their families with them. So the ship will have all the necessities we have here on earth, such as Entertainment (where their ideals of entertainment is different), Provisions (which is handled by the replicator and repli-mats), Education (schools on board), and such.

As we seen in the "Naked Now" episodes, there are indeed stores, where they obviously have tailors (like Garak) who create goods from real materials, than those who have clothes replicated. And there were replimats shown on the Enterprise-D as well.

But afraid for STO, this doesn't mean anything since we obviously won't be seeing shops on our ships, unless tailoring, cooking, or such becomes important. :p

[marscentral]

The civilians on board have to do something with their time, why wouldn't they run a shop with permission.

And your right Kin, the only time replicators are rationed is if power is at a premium, like on Voyager. I believe we've seen it on the Defiant too and we definitely did on the alternate Enterprise D in Yesterday's Enterprise, but those are warships.

[r2data]

People forget that Roddenberry wanted to indicate the Galaxy-class is basically a "city in space" where the crew have their families with them. So the ship will have all the necessities we have here on earth, such as Entertainment (where their ideals of entertainment is different), Provisions (which is handled by the replicator and repli-mats), Education (schools on board), and such.

As we seen in the "Naked Now" episodes, there are indeed stores, where they obviously have tailors (like Garak) who create goods from real materials, than those who have clothes replicated. And there were replimats shown on the Enterprise-D as well.

I would beg to differ. There were no "stores" like Garak's on the Enterprise. He could have one on DS9 yes. That was a fixed installation and as such, it can support "stores". We didn't see it anywhere in the Naked Now episode, it was only implied (which I still doubt it is) in dialogue.

I think the main problem here is a mixing up of terminology. People are concentrating more on "shops" rather than "stores". A shop is a place where transactions take place... buying and selling and so on. It is a place you go to shop. A store is a place where you keep things. Storage, if you will.

[_Pax_]

"Ships Stores" does not mean the shopping mall,it means "the ship's storage areas".

And in Starfleet, "ships' stores" in that sense probably means "the data files of stuff I can have replicated".

[Jetscream]

found this on memory alpha on galaxy class ships

Ten Forward

Located at the forward most section of the saucer module on Deck 10, Ten Forward served as the social center of the ship. It had a battery of recreational games including three-dimensional chess as well as a fully stocked bar which carried syntheholic beverages. The replicators were also able to produce other food and drinks for the crew to enjoy in a relaxed social setting. Its large, panoramic windows permitted a staggering view of the ship's passage through space. (TNG: "The Child", "Power Play")

To date, Ten Forward has only been shown on board the USS Enterprise-D. However, there is no evidence proving that it was not a feature of every Galaxy-class ship. Given the extended duration of their missions, it is likely that designers included this feature on her sister ships to serve their recreational and social needs as well. In the novel The Return, Ten Forward is replaced by "Shuttlebay Four".

Holodeck

The Galaxy-class carried sixteen holodecks, which are located on Decks 9, 10 and 11. (TNG: "11001001", "Homeward")
Phaser range

The phaser range was located on Deck 12. A person stood on a platform in the center of the room, illuminated only by the light which came from above the platform. Colored circular lights, approximately the size of a Human hand, whirled across the walls, and the person aimed and fired at selected targets. After completing a round, the number of hits and misses, along with the percentage of accuracy, were tallied by the ship's computer. There were at least fifteen levels of difficulty, and the range could be customized for two-player competition.

The phaser range was also used by security officers to train personnel in marksmanship. (TNG: "A Matter Of Honor", "Redemption II")

Gymnasium

The gymnasium, also on Deck 12, contained a variety of recreational equipment for a variety of sports. In addition to aerobic studios (TNG: "The Price") and martial arts areas (TNG: "Clues", "Second Chances"), there was a parrises squares area (TNG: "Second Chances"), a squash court, (TNG: "Suddenly Human") and an anbo-jytsu court. (TNG: "The Icarus Factor") The gymnasium also featured a fencing room. Aboard the Enterprise-D, Captain Picard usually fenced with fellow crewmembers. (TNG: "We'll Always Have Paris", "I, Borg")
[edit] Theater and Concert Hall
The theater and concert hall
The theater and concert hall

There was a large theater aboard, which was equipped to seat large groups of people. The theater could also be used as a concert hall for musical performances by crew members. (TNG: "Sarek", "Frame of Mind")

The theater set was a reuse of the Ten Forward set.

Salon

The salon was an area where crewmembers could get personal care ranging from a simple haircut to an elaborate spa-like treatment. (TNG: "Data's Day", "The Host", "Schisms")

Replimat

At the replimat, crew members could replicate items which were too large or complicated for a standard food replicator terminal. They could "shop" for certain items by reviewing the fabrication database. (TNG: "Data's Day")

Educational facilities

There were several small schools of varying sizes located throughout the ship, ranging from actual classrooms (TNG: "When The Bough Breaks") to specialized workshops. (TNG: "Imaginary Friend", "Rascals", "Masks")

[Allardyn]

And who can forget Mot the barber.

[_Pax_]

Or they can be called the PX
... "PX" is an acronym for "Post Exchange" ...

[_Pax_]

1400 wouldn't be small cosnidering the crew compiment of a Gakaxy is 500 to 600. Memeory alpha lists the compliment at 1,016, I was talking evac limit.

Keep in mind that at the Evac limit, every possible space will be occupied. The bridge, captain's ready room, staff lounge, main engineering, probably sickbay, and likely the senior staff's quarters, are about the only places that won't be cheek-to-jowl with people.

10-Forward, plus every classroom, holodeck, cargo bay, shuttle bay, and public spaces for athletics, plays, or other social activities will be converted either to common eating areas, or, to emergency dormitories. Even a lot of wider CORRIDORS will be converted, half their width anyway, to "linear" dormitory spaces ... the lights dimmed, cots lined head-to-foot along one wall (possibly with more anchored above, giving a bunk-bed effect) ... even the interior of shuttlecraft is likely to be used for sleeping spaces.

Cramming ten times the standard number of people into one ship leaves VERY little space for ANYthing except "sit still, be quiet, and try to time your breathing opposite that of your neighbors' ..."

I expect the life support systems would be strained to their absolute maximum as well, and the air would start to degrade in quality after a VERY short time (a day or two), ship-wide, despite those systems' best efforts.

[Tribbler]

I recall Picard getting a haircut by a blue skin gentleman in a salon type environment on the Enterprise.

Why not have other places to shop on board?

I am sure that part of the Federation's Charter is to meet new races and to meet a spaceship "Like Harry Mudd" that sails the Galaxy tryiing to sell their goods would be a great opportunity to meet and exchange cultural wares without having a space station to dock with.

[Than]

replicators, also seen when worf is looking for a wedding gift to the transporter chiefs wedding. That is the ship store.

8000? in the TNG episode where enterprise C gets ripped back in time as a result of a photon volley (something about a super string tear or whatever) they spoke about 6000 max, or was it 5000 max, aka troops.
And since troops are trained to share very cramped living quarters i think that would be close to the upper limmit.

There is more to this then actual physical space, the life support system also needs to be able to cope with this amount of heat and co2 in the air and still be able to cleanse and produce enought breadable oxygen.
either way, my 2 cent on that :)