Should they release STO before Champions

[Tryonus]

I know, no matter what we say Champions will be releasesed b4 STO.....im just wounding how many ppl
would agree that they should release STO b4 Champions.


Just on a side note....do u think thats how they came up with B4's name? with someone typeing b4 as in before?......sorry just noticed that.

[KidBang]

You just noticed that...uhm...explains this wonderful topic.

I think the games should be released when they are done.

[KO_Gilligan]

I know, no matter what we say Champions will be releasesed b4 STO.....im just wounding how many ppl
would agree that they should release STO b4 Champions.


I think that the only way that could happen is if CO has an unfortunate problem... considering they are already playing a nearly completed CO. I think we should hope things go in the planned order.

Although if STO is going Beta soon in some kind of phenomenal production push, I'm not gonna complain.

[Exezer]

CO is their customization ticket to attract others to their...(main thing is creativity)..and then it would help more people get into the customization that STO would bring to the table but other than that ........i hope beta for both comes out soon.

[babanathie]

No. I gather the engine being used in both games is relatively new. I think they should learn as many mistakes with CO and incorporate the solutions in STO. That way STO has a much smoother launch.

[Allardyn]

While i submit to the theory that there is no such thing as a stupid question, there have in fact been some very silly ones been thrown around here that past few days.

What gives??

[KidBang]

And all by new members too....kind of scary.

[KO_Gilligan]

While i submit to the theory that there is no such thing as a stupid question, there have in fact been some very silly ones been thrown around here that past few days.

What gives??

Actually there's plenty of stupid questions in the world, we're supposed to support the "There is no stupid question" ideal in order to prevent the possible stifling of the learning process for those who may feel ashamed.

There is usually something in forum rules to the effect of "being supportive" of those who come stumbling on through. Not everybody here lives and breathes this stuff like us. :p

[LunaticFringer]

Even if they hypothetically could release it before I'd still say not to. Not that I wouldn't like STO to come to us sooner as opposed to later but too often I've seen what should've been potentially huge mmos sink because of rushing a release date. Meeting that magical calendar date can do more harm, in my opinion, than delaying for a quality product. So if it meant waiting longer for a better game I'd stick with let Champions come first and don't try to "rush" this project any more than it needs to be.

[Dext]

I think they should work on STO a bit longer after Champions

[Hyperion2206]

Actually there's plenty of stupid questions in the world, we're supposed to support the "There is no stupid question" ideal in order to prevent the possible stifling of the learning process for those who may feel ashamed.

There is usually something in forum rules to the effect of "being supportive" of those who come stumbling on through. Not everybody here lives and breathes this stuff like us. :p


There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.:p:D

[Jessalyn]

No. I gather the engine being used in both games is relatively new. I think they should learn as many mistakes with CO and incorporate the solutions in STO. That way STO has a much smoother launch.

I agree with this...

[Everitt_Cage]

Should they release STO before Champions

the answer to that question depends upon whether you want a rushed buggy game or a well tested quality game. if you want the latter, then the answer to your question is "no".

[RandomRedshirt]

No.

I'd like to see every company take the Blizzard approach. Don't release it until it's damn good and ready. Not before. Of course, I'd also like to see Cryptic take 3-5 years and build a REAL Star Trek MMO, you know, the game for the person who wants to live the experience of being part of the Star Trek universe.

But alas, that will never happen.

[Dustnite]

No.

I'd like to see every company take the Blizzard approach. Don't release it until it's damn good and ready. Not before. Of course, I'd also like to see Cryptic take 3-5 years and build a REAL Star Trek MMO, you know, the game for the person who wants to live the experience of being part of the Star Trek universe.

But alas, that will never happen.

The Blizzard approach is to make WoW-like games I thought. Do you want WoW in space?

Cryptic is making this MMO happen which is more than I thought any other developer would try. I personally would never have touched the Star Trek IP for an MMO for many reasons, but if it's going to happen then I'm all for it.

[Thibor]

The Blizzard approach is to make WoW-like games I thought. Do you want WoW in space?



I'd personally hold off stereotyping them until they announce their MMO that's in development and what sort of mechanics we will see in it. To date, Blizzard has only released one MMO. And while Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 are announced as being in development by them, supposedly their next MMO isn't being based on either of those two IPs or simply being the sequel to WoW.

As for WoW in space ... I'll wait for World of Starcraft for that if they ever decide to make it.

ST:O should be different and I don't expect it to feel like "WoW in space". But, I'm all for them releasing the game with as much polish, if not more so, than WoW did.

[RandomRedshirt]

The Blizzard approach is to make WoW-like games I thought. Do you want WoW in space?


No, the Blizzard approach is to make games that are as hassle-free and bug-free on delivery as possible. It has nothing to do with content or game play. The Blizzard philosophy is no game leaves until it is ready, regardless of how long it takes.

[Ensign.Ricky]

No, the Blizzard approach is to make games that are as hassle-free and bug-free on delivery as possible. It has nothing to do with content or game play. The Blizzard philosophy is no game leaves until it is ready, regardless of how long it takes.

That's why I love most blizard games. By the time we get it it has ironed out the major bugs. Having a game launch and having the public finding silly bugs is frustrating.



No. I gather the engine being used in both games is relatively new. I think they should learn as many mistakes with CO and incorporate the solutions in STO. That way STO has a much smoother launch.

Amen to this. Let CO get the test run. We reap in the benefits of their lessons and adjustments. STO should be a well refined game!

[V_GER]

I know, no matter what we say Champions will be releasesed b4 STO.....im just wounding how many ppl
would agree that they should release STO b4 Champions.


Just on a side note....do u think thats how they came up with B4's name? with someone typeing b4 as in before?......sorry just noticed that.

V_GER recommends carbon unit Tryonus' assimilation. Purity of logic and patience will assist you in your wait for Star Trek Online. You could even go into sleep mode and V_GER will wake you when it is ready.

Accessing Linguistic database: Sol system/Earth/21st Century/Languages/English: BEFORE: [Middle English bifore, from Old English beforan; Indo-European roots.]

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((Welcome to the STO forums Tryonus.))

[Silverspar]

You just noticed that...uhm...explains this wonderful topic.

I think the games should be released when they are done.

I think spelling out people and before would help out in the OP to.

[Tryonus]

Well after seeing the posts to my Hypothetical question This really does not bold well for the community thats going to be in the game.

Which is a real shame, since i thought it was going to be the same as the community thats in CoH. Polite, frendly, always ready to answer any question and to help.

But saying that, im guessing most of the idiotic posts are from the Americans or little winy kids or adults lvling with there parents at the age 40+ which think they are better than anyone else, which would mean i would hopfully never see any of you ingame with different servers etc.


As for the ppl that were willing to answer my question whether or not they thought it was stupied, thank you, and i hope you are the type of ppl i see in game.

[Duckdee]

No. I gather the engine being used in both games is relatively new. I think they should learn as many mistakes with CO and incorporate the solutions in STO. That way STO has a much smoother launch.

I agree with this...

Amen to this. Let CO get the test run. We reap in the benefits of their lessons and adjustments. STO should be a well refined game!

Poor Champions. :(

[Allardyn]

Well after seeing the posts to my Hypothetical question This really does not bold well for the community thats going to be in the game.

Which is a real shame, since i thought it was going to be the same as the community thats in CoH. Polite, frendly, always ready to answer any question and to help.

You will be hard pressed to find a more mature game community, at least I have yet to find one at yes that includes COH. You simply asked a question without thinking about it or reading any of the info available.


But saying that, im guessing most of the idiotic posts are from the Americans or little winy kids or adults lvling with there parents at the age 40+ which think they are better than anyone else, which would mean i would hopfully never see any of you ingame with different servers etc.

Is the most immature thing i read on these boards so far.

[babanathie]

Well after seeing the posts to my Hypothetical question This really does not bold well for the community thats going to be in the game.

Which is a real shame, since i thought it was going to be the same as the community thats in CoH. Polite, frendly, always ready to answer any question and to help.

But saying that, im guessing most of the idiotic posts are from the Americans or little winy kids or adults lvling with there parents at the age 40+ which think they are better than anyone else, which would mean i would hopfully never see any of you ingame with different servers etc.

As for the ppl that were willing to answer my question whether or not they thought it was stupied, thank you, and i hope you are the type of ppl i see in game.

Is this serious?

[TheMasterpiece]

sigh...what???

plus STO is using the same engine as champions, champions wil lbe a test

[Everitt_Cage]

Is this serious?

its seriously hypocritical ;)

[elitolu]

I don't think cryptic wants to pull a lucasarts like what happened in their second Kotor II (Knights of the old Republic Two)

The game is barely playable without the latest patch.

[Allardyn]

I don't think cryptic wants to pull a lucasarts like what happened in their second Kotor II (Knights of the old Republic Two)

The game is barely playable without the latest patch.

I remember playing KOTOR 2 on my old Xbox, I'm 100% positive I never patched it as I never ever had an xbox live account nor even plugged it online, i don't recall a single 'unplayability' issue. I found it almost as enjoyable as the original, however the original storyline was hands down so much better.

Out of curiosity why does the general consensus of folks think that KOTOR II was sad? It was good but sequels are almost never as good as the original was IMO.

[Galv]

I remember playing KOTOR 2 on my old Xbox, I'm 100% positive I never patched it as I never ever had an xbox live account nor even plugged it online, i don't recall a single 'unplayability' issue. I found it almost as enjoyable as the original, however the original storyline was hands down so much better.

Out of curiosity why does the general consensus of folks think that KOTOR II was sad? It was good but sequels are almost never as good as the original was IMO.

I loved KOTOR 2 on the xbox and it didn't need a patch. I actually thought it was better than the 1st it had far more story and depth to it reguarding the NPCs and the ending was great left me wanting the 3rd.

[jhem99]

I'm thinking that when CO launches before STO people will play it and when STO launches they'll ditch their CO accounts and play STO.
Or maybe the PvPers will stay with CO and leave STO to the more gentile players?

[mactorrin]

Not gonna happen.

[Duckdee]

I'm thinking that when CO launches before STO people will play it and when STO launches they'll ditch their CO accounts and play STO.
Or maybe the PvPers will stay with CO and leave STO to the more gentile players?

Heh, you (and many others) wish. :)

I plan on playing both, what with superheroes and sci-fi being my favourite genres.

[wiryone]

well from what I hear Champions Online will release to the general public sometime in Quarter 2 of 2009. I seriously doubt STO will be ready to the general public anytime before Quarter 2 of 2010.

[DFawkes]

I've seen games released too early, and it never goes well. It's almost never the developers fault, rather publishers keen to start making money quicker. They are businesses after all, and I've got nothing against it.

I'd still prefer a STO that was delayed than one rushed out, so I fell it should be released when it's in a finshed state, most likely after CO, though perhaps not.


As an aside, I liked KotOR better, and I've never really been a fan of other developers doing sequels, but I preferred the more calm feel of the original than being on the run in KotOR II. I could understand why others would prefer the tenser atmosphere though.

[Stormnet]

Yeah it's not gonna happen. They wouldn't release 2 MMO's at once or even close to each other. Why kill your audience? I'm one of those hop from Mmorg to Mmorg players. I max out my charachter and an Alt then usually the end game is terrible and I move on to the next game. I expect that this game will be different to be honest. I fully expect to play STO for a very long time. I will also play Warhammer Online (Coming out this next week) and Champions Onloine once it hits the shelves.

[Thibor]

I've seen games released too early, and it never goes well. It's almost never the developers fault, rather publishers keen to start making money quicker. They are businesses after all, and I've got nothing against it.

While I will agree that it is often the publisher's fault for rushed releases, after living thru a few "launch days" I will clearly say I have a huge problem with them releasing early. By doing so they not only do a disservice to the players but also to themselves. There are three dev studios now that I am extremely wary of trying their MMO products because of the state their games launch in (Cryptic isn't one of them since I haven't played an MMO of theirs yet.) And just from chatting with friends and fellow guildmates I know I'm not alone in my sentiments about various dev studios. It's the sort of negative publicity they simple do not need. The mmo market over the past few years has significantly grown and is ripe for companies to come along, release a fun and stable product, and claim their chunk and be a success.

I just fail to understand why these publishers choose to shoot themselves in the foot as opposed to heeding the old addage of "You only get one chance to make a first impression." I guess some people do not have a problem with paying to what amounts to beta testing a game. I for one do.

[undraxis]

Cryptic has had more experience with the superhero genre (CoH/CoV). I would hope they finish CO first and get the kinks out of the game engine before even attempting to finish STO.

IF Champions Online does fail, the IP is niche enough that it wont be noticable to the general public imho (Champions doesnt compare to Marvel and DC in mainstream penetration). ST on the other hand, is a sacred IP (even those who hate it can't deny its contributions to the scifi genre). IF STO fails, it is something Cryptic can't afford, much of their credibility will disappear. And to be quite frank, Cryptic is one of the few companies I would truly mourn to see gone.

[Woden]

I think they should just dump champions and work on star trek, they already have a decent super hero game

[Allardyn]

I think they should just dump champions and work on star trek, they already have a decent super hero game

Actually Crypic sold thier rights to CoX and having nothing to do with it going forward since last November. They still get the credit however which is rightly deserved.

http://www.cityofheroes.com/press/a_new_age.html

[Kinjiru]

I haven't posted in this thread till now because I think it's a moot discussion, but in reference to the original question of "Should they release STO before CO?", wouldn't it just result in a lot of ticked off Champions fans? :)

Not to mention that form what I've heard, CO's already in Beta isn't it?

[marscentral]

I loved KOTOR 2 on the xbox and it didn't need a patch. I actually thought it was better than the 1st it had far more story and depth to it reguarding the NPCs and the ending was great left me wanting the 3rd.

I liked KOTOR II, I replayed it a couple of months back, though I preferred the original. It wasn't unplayable, though there were glitches (though I played it on the 360 this time around and it was alot better than alot of original xbox games I've tried on there) and it was unfinished. The devs were forced to rush it out by Lucasarts, so there was alot missing. For instance, there was supposed to be a mission to take out the HK-50 factory and HK-47 (who is awesome) talks about tracking it if you follow his dialog.

[Duckdee]

Not to mention that form what I've heard, CO's already in Beta isn't it?
If it is, it's only just gone into early closed beta. Most articles are saying it's in late alpha, about to go beta.

[marscentral]

If it is, it's only just gone into early closed beta. Most articles are saying it's in late alpha, about to go beta.

I dunno about how far they are in testing, but they do have something they've let the public play. ST:O does have something to play (the trailer is all game), but I doubt they're ready for our scrutiny yet.

[Sublime]

Without reading any other post on this thread my answer is: no

[President_Shinzon]

My answer is they should release STO when STO is ready to be released, not when it's demanded out for the holidays, not when another game puts pressure on cryptic but when it's good and ready. Anything sooner and we will all suffer for it.