Dyson Sphere

[Sublime]

From the TNG episode "Relics"

What do you think the possibility of colonizing or building a Dyson sphere from scratch showing up in game? It could be the ultimate player owned station: Hundreds of times more room for population compared to a planet, can have shipyards and repair facilities safe within the sphere, and a formidable defensive structure surrounding everything. Even during peace time it could serve as one of the largest trade hubs in the galaxy.

Please discuss

[Azurian]

I do think it's very possible we could encounter a Dyson's Sphere in our exploration.

But I seriously doubt there will be a Federation Dyson's Sphere (doubt they have the resources to build one). And I seriously doubt we will find one as a Hub.

[ianobs]

ahh yes the return of montgomery scott. hmm. i duno about that one. it would be hard to explain that one back.

i wouldnt like to see very much of "bringing back" things. kinda like beating a dead horse

[AdmGillis]

Actually, the interior of a Dyson Sphere has the surface area that is many times that of every habitable planet in the galaxy. it would be possible to put the entire galaxy's population in the Dyson Sphere without any fear of overpopulation.

Remember, the Earth's radius is only 6300 km. Earth's distance from the sun, which is roughly where the Dyson Sphere would need to be, is around 150 million km. Sufficive to say, the surface area of a sphere with a radius of 150 million km is considerably more than that of Earth.

Earth's rough surface area = 498,506,400 square km
Rough surface area of a Dyson Sphere = 282,600,000,000,000,000 square km

That would leave the Dyson Sphere of a surface area roughly 566,893,424 times that of Earth. Sufficive to say, there aren't that many Minshara class planets in our Galaxy.

[MidniteAvenger]

I don't know about building one, I don't think UFP technologies would be that advanced at the time of gameplay. But it would be cool to go back to the one from relics and explore/colonize that one the possibilities would be endless for such a large landmass.

[Michell]

it would be cool for a guild to have a planet or moon/bass but this maybe just a bit to big for my blood. besides what would it take to make it and how long?

[Silverspar]

it would be cool for a guild to have a planet or moon/bass but this maybe just a bit to big for my blood. besides what would it take to make it and how long?

Uhh, a dyson sphere's radius is equal to the distance from the earth to the sun. Not ot mention, in Star Trek, I believe it's neutronium that comprises the extreior of these things (the material you find in the core of a netron star in Star Trek) and thus would be even more difficult to gather, then if you figure it would take about 18 months to build one starship from keel to stem (using timeframes for the refit on the Constitution class Enterprise) you are going to be looking at an extremely long project.

The only items in Star Trek that were comprised of neutronium in Star Trek, btw, where the Iconian siggurates, the Doomsday Machine and the Dyson Sphere.

[Stu1701]

I do like the idea of encountering a Dyson Sphere, but don't have the encounter be the same as the one in Relics.

[Typheron]

From the TNG episode "Relics"

What do you think the possibility of colonizing or building a Dyson sphere from scratch showing up in game? It could be the ultimate player owned station: Hundreds of times more room for population compared to a planet, can have shipyards and repair facilities safe within the sphere, and a formidable defensive structure surrounding everything. Even during peace time it could serve as one of the largest trade hubs in the galaxy.

Please discuss


None what-so-ever, it would be silly for all the reasons the other posters have mentioned, and probably impossable to actually do due to the sheer size of it. it could happily accomidate the entire 2nd life grid, all of WoW's lands and all of Guild wars. Its just too big.

[VainEldritch]

Good idea...an interesting concept.

[Everitt_Cage]

30 years would not be enough time for the federation to have advanced enough to be able to build a dyson sphere. anyone who thinks otherwise needs to read up:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dyson_sphere

[bobh]

No big deal for Q.

[Signalsgt]

As long as there is one or two in the entire universe I think it would be a neat aspect.

Just can't have one in every other sector.

[Everitt_Cage]

As long as there is one or two in the entire universe I think it would be a neat aspect.

Just can't have one in every other sector.


agreed. while it is most certainly beyond the federations technology to be building dyson spheres, perhaps in the 30 years since Nemisis they could have established a "colony" on the sphere they found in "relics". either way, the only known dyson sphere in existence would make an cool POI.

[LunaticFringer]

I'd rather that one stay as a plotline device from one of the episodes rather than see us building them. It kept it more "mysterious" that way.

[jsutich]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

[bobh]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

Shouldn't you be community relating or something?

[V_GER]

Shouldn't you be community relating or something?

Carbon unit Razor IS running as programmed. All work and no play makes carbon unit Razor an unhappy drone.

[STOZone]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

Would it come complete with a bunch of Ore-Ida drones for protection and extra yumminess?

[Valenthalas]

A Dysons sphere would be interesting, making first contact with a strange alien race living inside a Dyson's sphere.. only to have negotiations go sour and be stuck inside :P

[Czyrek]

Actually, the interior of a Dyson Sphere has the surface area that is many times that of every habitable planet in the galaxy. it would be possible to put the entire galaxy's population in the Dyson Sphere without any fear of overpopulation.

Remember, the Earth's radius is only 6300 km. Earth's distance from the sun, which is roughly where the Dyson Sphere would need to be, is around 150 million km. Sufficive to say, the surface area of a sphere with a radius of 150 million km is considerably more than that of Earth.

Earth's rough surface area = 498,506,400 square km
Rough surface area of a Dyson Sphere = 282,600,000,000,000,000 square km

That would leave the Dyson Sphere of a surface area roughly 566,893,424 times that of Earth. Sufficive to say, there aren't that many Minshara class planets in our Galaxy.

does your measurement of earths surface area consider that only about 1/3rd of earth is land?

[ianobs]

do you guys remember the Monty python skit, where the woman seduces all of the milk men and locks them all in a room?

[bobh]

Actually, the interior of a Dyson Sphere has the surface area that is many times that of every habitable planet in the galaxy. it would be possible to put the entire galaxy's population in the Dyson Sphere without any fear of overpopulation.

So far, that number is ONE.. so.. yeah.

[Varrangian]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

I was thinking of ear biting... doh! wrong Tyson.

[Signalsgt]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.


BOOOOO!

Fowl jokes aren't appreciated. :rolleyes:

[sirNemanjapro]

I vote againts. Imagine the power one could own. And it has no purpose. What will you do with it? How in the world would you find it first? Remember how it was in the episode?

[Allardyn]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Craig Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range goat ranch.

fixed for posterity, and to zing Craig =D

[Kinjiru]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

Yeah! And the funny thing is, if you went there, you might get your ear bitten off!

:D

Hehe.

[Reinkaos]

I think there may be one or two floating out around there in space.. :) it will be interesting to discover the nods and winks in the game to all the Star Treks series :)

[Duras]

The Dyson Sphere really burns my imagination.

How long to builld.?
By who.?
Where did they get so much leaving so much for us to mine.?
Could Starfleet have re-energised to star within the sphere.?
Did Starfleet use it, or study it.?
How much Nutronium would the Ferengi get, if they attempted to pull some off the skin of the sphere before the authories arrived.?
Why did they exploit such a good storyline with just one episode of it.?
Where could I find it in the STO universe.?

I know one thing, I hate to be put on a prison detail, de-weeding the place...

(Edit due to grammatical errors)

[Allardyn]

On a theoretical note, does anyone else think the space station in the Enterprise Epidose 'Dead Stop' could have evolved into a Tyson's sphere given enough time? The idea of extracting energy from the sun in order to replicate an entire circumference seems the most plausible in canon way of building such a huge piece of technology.

[lumpking69]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

ZING... lol

[SovWell]

You would get lazy and never want to leave.

[Trekkie]

I think that a mission involving a Dyson Sphere would be very interesting and I hope that the developers consider implementing something like it in the game!

[Flatfingers]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.

Naturally, upon its completion the Tyson Sphere was attacked by fleets of Perdue Doomsday Machines, leaving the galaxy in ruins for millenia after those who began the Poultry Wars had long since perished.

On a happier note, this finally provided an explanation for Commodore Decker's last words: "Jim... it tastes just like...."

--Flatfingers

[AdmGillis]

does your measurement of earths surface area consider that only about 1/3rd of earth is land?

One would suppose that the Dyson Sphere would have a comparable land/water ratio to the average Minshara class planet.

Then again, my calculations were only meant to place in perspective exactly how large the Dyson sphere actually is.

In the episode, the space shots made it look as though the Enterprise-D was within a few hundred kilometers of the Dyson sphere... when in fact, the Dyson sphere was a few million kilometers in the distance. It's immense size was not properly represented in the episode.

[Sublime]

what i was getting at was not faction sactioned dyson spheres but more along the lines of being able to discover the plans for one and have it be an extremely rare POS (player owned station) that would take months to build. As for the sheer size I would have to agree that it would be unrealistic because of the resources it would take. Perhaps spheres bult around dwarf stars as opposed to a Sol sized stars.

[Michell]

like they said. missions would be nice but player owned may just be to much.

[mrhero]

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this the other day. Except my idea was to make it a Tyson's Sphere and it would be 300 trillion square km of free-range chicken ranch.


Mmmmm....Chicken.....

[Nagilum]

I think it would be unrealistic for us to be able to make one instead it would make a better POI.
In the episode relics the one they found was abandoned because the star it was around was to unstable so I was thinking maybe they left it to find a more suitable star to build another one.

[joetheduk]

I agree with many of you that the Feds couldn't build one. But going back to the one in "Relics" would be AWESOME! Not to colonize, or turn into a hub, just as a mission of exploration. Remember, in the episode, teh star was unstable and the inhabitants of the sphere left. But it would be sweet to have a mission to "stabilize the star" or something along that line (remember the Feds have been known to experiment in those fields). You could also explore the, no doubt, millions of ruins on its surface. probably out side of the scope of an mmo, but even if we had access to only a billionth of the sphere it would still be cool.

[Crux]

I'd like to run across one. But only one. Keep its past a mystery or something only a long quest could reveal. I bet folks would spend hours just exploring, taking scans or even daring to go inside to have a peek. But remind them that curiosity kills the cat.

[TheMasterpiece]

Actually, the interior of a Dyson Sphere has the surface area that is many times that of every habitable planet in the galaxy. it would be possible to put the entire galaxy's population in the Dyson Sphere without any fear of overpopulation.

Remember, the Earth's radius is only 6300 km. Earth's distance from the sun, which is roughly where the Dyson Sphere would need to be, is around 150 million km. Sufficive to say, the surface area of a sphere with a radius of 150 million km is considerably more than that of Earth.

Earth's rough surface area = 498,506,400 square km
Rough surface area of a Dyson Sphere = 282,600,000,000,000,000 square km

That would leave the Dyson Sphere of a surface area roughly 566,893,424 times that of Earth. Sufficive to say, there aren't that many Minshara class planets in our Galaxy.



wow.....umm:confused::confused::(

[clearymonkey]

This would be an incredible structure to create and colonize. Though I am not sure how advanced our technology would be at that time.

[overlordthor]

I dont think any of the current civilizations are powerful enough to attempt to create a dyson sphere without mothballing there military production and putting all there resources into the creation process and development of technologies necessary.

It would be cool to find the one the enterprise discovered or another one, see if it has some mysteries of its own, perhaps it might be in better condition and usable as a place to set up at, series of missions to build on it, a research station or something.

[Captain.Hunter]

While I love the idea of encountering/exploring a Dyson Sphere...

... a player controlled one I don't like so much.

[Captain_K.C.]

What do you think the possibility of colonizing or building a Dyson sphere from scratch showing up in game?

Well, a guild building a Dyson from scratch? That would be an inefficient use of resources, and only if they weren't being constantly attacked during construction by the other STO guilds/factions.

Per Ex Astris Scientia (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/treknology/treknology-d.htm) on the bottom:
The Dyson sphere is named after Freeman Dyson who devised the concept. There are several types of Dyson spheres discussed in the Dyson Sphere FAQ (external link 1, 2). The one featured in Trek is the most advanced type and completely envelops the star. Its radius is 100 million km so as to provide moderate irradiation density on its inner surface, maintaining Class-M living conditions throughout the whole 125*10^15 km^2 area, 250*10^6 times Earth's surface. In an optimistic estimation the sphere is only 100m thick and any element except for hydrogen and helium can be employed for its construction. Still, about 12,000 Earth-like planets would be required in this case. As a result, there should be a large space region without planets. Only a vastly advanced and superior Q-like race would have the power to collect planets and put them together to such a huge construction. However, a serious objection is that a race able to build a Dyson biosphere would actually not need one and a less advanced civilization with the necessary knowledge would not give up their planet(s), everything that makes up their history. Summarizing, this type of Dyson sphere is not a viable concept. Nevertheless, scientists are engaged in a serious search for such objects. Dyson spheres are expected to have infrared emissions, because the light coming from the respective star is absorbed and converted to heat. In order to maintain a constant average temperature inside the sphere, it would be necessary to allow the outer surface to emit the excess energy in form of infrared radiation. Unlike the unrealistic Dyson biosphere a radiation collector installed in space, inside the orbit of Mercury, could provide all the necessary energy required for an advanced human civilization.


Now if we were to "stumble" upon a derelict one like in Relics, that would still take up a lot of time to get back into functioning status. The sheer effort to build or repair one could be put to much better use building space stations or starships or colonies. I'd enjoy seeing one but I doubt it would occur in-game...

[Phunix]

To merely put it in the game would be a feat because of its sheer size tbh.
I'd be amazed enough if the system was in with the Dyson Sphere visible.
My guess is it won't be in because it would be a resource hog, but I definitely woulnd't mind Cryptic proving me wrong.

[J.L.Picard]

Dyson sphere is way beyond the reach of Federation technology, but i wouldnt mind going to visit the one they found in that episode.

[Arsinoe]

I think getting it in would require alot of work (the size and detail required). The time spend on it you could construct more bases and things. No don't waste time on it please (for now).:D

[ronaldheld]

Way beyond current Federation technology. Exploring a Dyson sphere interior could take many years.