View Full Version : Any Trek fans hoping for console vesions
Just wanted to see how many console 360/PS3 owning trek fans are out there. I have 360 and really want to see this released, i think the game will run great using the control pad and keyboards won't be a problem for use either, so no pc users posting about dumbing down of the game controls please as this won't be a issue at all. And yea i've read the moans about kids using 360 etc but lets face it there's just as many kids using pc's as there is 360 so i don't think this will be problem.
It's high time MMO's made the jump to consoles as the next gen machines can easily handle them, not to mention your opening them up to a far bigger gamer base. I'll getting Champions online for 360 and i'm really lookig forward to it. And having read some of Q+As about the 3rd person real time action on both STO and CO i'm guessing the control pad will be very suited to this. I just hope we can all (PC and console) play on the same servers. it's been done already with vista based games on xbox live so it shouldn't be a problem.
CarlR
08-30-2008, 04:33 AM
i've got a 360, but i plan to stay with the PC... one thing you might want to think about is the added cost for having it on the Console... for example witht he 360, you have Internet bill ($65 roughly for me), Xbox Live (i do annually i think it's also $60), Now your adding the SUbscription of the MMO ONTOP of that.. which is usually $14-$20 a Month... this is another reason why i stick to PC for MMO's
i'm pretty sure you'll only need a silver account for it as with FFX and PSU. I want it on the 360 because i doubt i'll be upgrading my pc anytime within the next 2 years. So there's no extra cost really.
KO_Gilligan
08-30-2008, 05:03 AM
I really don't want to speculate ( a qualifier used to disavow my self-absorption )
but....
I think you can count on the 360. If they did it for CO, it seems a bad move not to do it for STO too.
All the PC centric people and past threads regarding this issue are confusing the issue that this will be very much console playable. When I played CO at GenCon. I noticed that the team that was there from Cryptic couldn't stop using the Consol type Controllers on the PCs. With one developer I asked him to show me gameplay as he played it ... I was like "STOP THAT" and I tried to get him to use keyboard/mouse only and although it could be done, it made him very uncomfortable because they play alot with a console controller.
I think that's evidence enough.
great stuff, glad to hear that. And yea i'm very confident about a 360 version, not sure what sort of extra time they'd need making it for the PS3 but i'm pretty sure they could just port the 360/PC version over to it.
netwolfe
08-30-2008, 05:16 AM
I believe MMO games work best on the computer. This is based on my experience with a free beta test for EverQuest on the Playstation 2. My biggest issue was commotion. They is no keyboard you can plug into the Playstation 2. (Unless it is out there and I do not know about it.) So instead I have to press a button (think it was R2 but not sure) to open a window with a keyboard then use the direction pads to select letters and press another to type letter. This made simply saying “Hello” a slow process.
With one developer I asked him to show me gameplay as he played it ... I was like "STOP THAT" and I tried to get him to use keyboard/mouse only and although it could be done, it made him very uncomfortable because they play alot with a console controller.
If you are wanting a console like controller they do make such controllers that you can plug into your computer. I have a controller made by Logitech that looks very much like a Playstation controller. These controllers will not work for every game out there but they work for some.
Exezer
08-30-2008, 05:18 AM
The game comes down to .....better graphics ...more options .....better online capabilities.....if you guys dont know what im talking about im talking about the PC HEHE......for some reason i dont like consoles..
ob1klone
08-30-2008, 05:19 AM
i've got a 360, but i plan to stay with the PC... one thing you might want to think about is the added cost for having it on the Console... for example witht he 360, you have Internet bill ($65 roughly for me), Xbox Live (i do annually i think it's also $60), Now your adding the SUbscription of the MMO ONTOP of that.. which is usually $14-$20 a Month... this is another reason why i stick to PC for MMO's
I don't get what the difference is. If you are paying for your X-Box live already anyway, what difference does it make whether you pay your subsciption for the game on X-Box or PC?
ob1klone
08-30-2008, 05:21 AM
I believe MMO games work best on the computer. This is based on my experience with a free beta test for EverQuest on the Playstation 2. My biggest issue was commotion. They is no keyboard you can plug into the Playstation 2. (Unless it is out there and I do not know about it.) So instead I have to press a button (think it was R2 but not sure) to open a window with a keyboard then use the direction pads to select letters and press another to type letter. This made simply saying “Hello” a slow process.
If you are wanting a console like controller they do make such controllers that you can plug into your computer. I have a controller made by Logitech that looks very much like a Playstation controller. These controllers will not work for every game out there but they work for some.
There is a keyboard for the PS.
I believe MMO games work best on the computer. This is based on my experience with a free beta test for EverQuest on the Playstation 2. My biggest issue was commotion. They is no keyboard you can plug into the Playstation 2. (Unless it is out there and I do not know about it.) So instead I have to press a button (think it was R2 but not sure) to open a window with a keyboard then use the direction pads to select letters and press another to type letter. This made simply saying “Hello” a slow process.
If you are wanting a console like controller they do make such controllers that you can plug into your computer. I have a controller made by Logitech that looks very much like a Playstation controller. These controllers will not work for every game out there but they work for some.
As i mentioned in my 1st post 360/PS3 you can plug any usb keyboard in and type away it's not a problem anymore.
Devem
08-30-2008, 05:25 AM
I would love to see it ported to the PS3. That would be nice. But I'm good with the PC and whatever Cryptic goes with.
Devem
The game comes down to .....better graphics ...more options .....better online capabilities.....if you guys dont know what im talking about im talking about the PC HEHE......for some reason i dont like consoles..
I didn't make this thread to discuss whether PC is better than console, i'm just asking whether there's trek fans who have a console and want to play STO on it.
ToadMonkey
08-30-2008, 05:27 AM
Console means more kids. Sigh!!!
Exezer
08-30-2008, 05:29 AM
Lol true ...more kids
Console means more kids. Sigh!!!
I don't mind kids there not all bad, and they're a big part of the gaming community and always will be. besides cbs is making the new movie to try and get more young people in star trek they're needed if star trek is to keep going.
ob1klone
08-30-2008, 05:32 AM
Console means more kids. Sigh!!!
Like most, if not all MMO's don't have their share of kids playing. Or maybe they are adults acting like kids.
Like most, if not all MMO's don't have their share of kids playing. Or maybe they are adults acting like kids.
Very good point
ToadMonkey
08-30-2008, 05:35 AM
I normally join the old geezers guilds...why Because kids have been a problem for me in the past.
Team Speak must be a magnet for them to flake out on.
Anyone else run into problems with kids.....talking under 14.
ob1klone
08-30-2008, 05:37 AM
I normally join the old geezers guilds...why Because kids have been a problem for me in the past.
Team Speak must be a magnet for them to flake out on.
Anyone else run into problems with kids.....talking under 14.
So you agree that kids are already running rampant on MMO's anyway? What difference does it make if they are playing on concole or PC?
ToadMonkey
08-30-2008, 05:38 AM
Like most, if not all MMO's don't have their share of kids playing. Or maybe they are adults acting like kids.
I agree with your statement. Then why add more with the console? I might might freak out like the german kid on you tube. lol Funny stuff
I normally join the old geezers guilds...why Because kids have been a problem for me in the past.
Team Speak must be a magnet for them to flake out on.
Anyone else run into problems with kids.....talking under 14.
Yea i've had some problems on live but no more adults the mute button sorts that out, but on the whole i find most kids are not a problem at all, only bad thing is they make me feel very old and question whether i'm getting to old to be playing games.
ob1klone
08-30-2008, 05:40 AM
I agree with your statement. Then why add more with the console? I might might freak out like the german kid on you tube. lol Funny stuff
I didn't see that, but as to question. More options to bring in more customers. It is that simple. Try to reach as many people as possible.
So you agree that kids are already running rampant on MMO's anyway? What difference does it make if they are playing on concole or PC?
And yea the old moaning about kids on console and lack of keyboards as reason for no mmo games on consoles just doesn't factor anymore.
richard1993
08-30-2008, 05:43 AM
star trek on ps3
The biggger the gamer base the more subscriptions the more game content and support we'll get, i think off the top of my head that there's well over 2 million xbox live users and i pretty sure at least 10% are going to be into star trek.
Edit make that 7 million
www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26589
Thats a huge gamer base
Edit again that was 7 million a year must be over 10 by now
marscentral
08-30-2008, 05:47 AM
You'll also be adding more adults with consoles. I know people in their 40s who use a 360 and although they have PCs, they will often use their consoles for their gaming. 360 controllers can be plugged into a PC, keyboards can be plugged into 360s so their is little reason you can't play how you want too. As for graphics, I would have thought having to cater for consoles would be seen as a good thing as consoles are built for graphics and they'll need to be good to compete.
My 360 will easily run a game better than my current PC (though I am hoping to upgrade soon) and if a console version is available I will probably go for that. I know the console will run the game, but you can never be sure with a PC that there won't be some issue or another. I also get to play on a bigger telly and it leaves my PC free to do other things.
Exezer
08-30-2008, 05:50 AM
As long as they dont dumb down the controls or anything else by adding a console to the list id say ...add it.
You'll also be adding more adults with consoles. I know people in their 40s who use a 360 and although they have PCs, they will often use their consoles for their gaming. 360 controllers can be plugged into a PC, keyboards can be plugged into 360s so their is little reason you can't play how you want too. As for graphics, I would have thought having to cater for consoles would be seen as a good thing as consoles are built for graphics and they'll need to be good to compete.
My 360 will easily run a game better than my current PC (though I am hoping to upgrade soon) and if a console version is available I will probably go for that. I know the console will run the game, but you can never be sure with a PC that there won't be some issue or another. I also get to play on a bigger telly and it leaves my PC free to do other things.
Indeed just watching the HD STO trailer using media centre on the 360 via my big tv got me even more excited about this game
As long as they dont dumb down the controls or anything else by adding a console to the list id say ...add it.
Why will the controls have to be dumbed down? i don't understand
netwolfe
08-30-2008, 05:52 AM
I didn't make this thread to discuss whether PC is better than console, i'm just asking whether there's trek fans who have a console and want to play STO on it.
My apologies I think I started that. I did not mean to derail the point of your thread. I believe I misinterpreted the point of your thread. Again I am sorry, and I promise not to derail your thread again. In fact I do not believe I have nothing else to say about the subject so I am most likely not going to be posting in this thread anymore. Once more I apologize for derailing your thread. Live long and prosper.
Exezer
08-30-2008, 05:56 AM
Why will the controls have to be dumbed down? i don't understand
Well on some online MMO's made for PC the controls are easier ...even though you can connect a keyboard to the next gen systems ...where i think most use the controller but im thinking some people use the attachable keyboard.
Well on some online MMO's made for PC the controls are easier ...even though you can connect a keyboard to the next gen systems ...where i think most use the controller but im thinking some people use the attachable keyboard.
I doubt anyone would use it for a game like STO, anyone who wanted to play an MMO would invest in £5 usb keyboard it's not an issue
KO_Gilligan
08-30-2008, 05:59 AM
If you are wanting a console like controller they do make such controllers that you can plug into your computer. I have a controller made by Logitech that looks very much like a Playstation controller. These controllers will not work for every game out there but they work for some.
That's exactly what they were using at GenCon they were using controllers on PCs
Exezer
08-30-2008, 06:00 AM
Yep i agree but if i wanted to use a console i would use it for a PS3
Yep i agree but if i wanted to use a console i would use it for a PS3
i dont think it makes a difference what console it's on, better it be both more users.
KO_Gilligan
08-30-2008, 06:03 AM
Lol true ...more kids
More Kids = YAY
More Kids = More Money = More Games = Even More Kids
This is a bit of a no brainer for gamers. I hope it can come out on every standard sized platform known to man ( handheld games like DS are just wrong :D )
Exezer
08-30-2008, 06:07 AM
Right consoles = more loyal users .....both consoles = less likely of having more loyal users.
My apologies I think I started that. I did not mean to derail the point of your thread. I believe I misinterpreted the point of your thread. Again I am sorry, and I promise not to derail your thread again. In fact I do not believe I have nothing else to say about the subject so I am most likely not going to be posting in this thread anymore. Once more I apologize for derailing your thread. Live long and prosper.
No apology needed
Right consoles = more loyal users .....both consoles = less likely of having more loyal users.
It still doesn't matter really, even if i owned 360 and a PS3 i'd still be getting STO on one of them. What matters is that if your trek fan and have either consoles, it's more than likely you try the game out.
Davies82
08-30-2008, 07:02 AM
Just wanted to see how many console 360/PS3 owning trek fans are out there. I have 360 and really want to see this released, i think the game will run great using the control pad and keyboards won't be a problem for use either, so no pc users posting about dumbing down of the game controls please as this won't be a issue at all. And yea i've read the moans about kids using 360 etc but lets face it there's just as many kids using pc's as there is 360 so i don't think this will be problem.
It's high time MMO's made the jump to consoles as the next gen machines can easily handle them, not to mention your opening them up to a far bigger gamer base. I'll getting Champions online for 360 and i'm really lookig forward to it. And having read some of Q+As about the 3rd person real time action on both STO and CO i'm guessing the control pad will be very suited to this. I just hope we can all (PC and console) play on the same servers. it's been done already with vista based games on xbox live so it shouldn't be a problem.
I'm a Star Trek fan and i own an XBOX 360 and in 26.
(So im hoping for an XBOX 360 release myself)
I do hope that they release this for the console aswell, at the same time as the PC is released i hope.
Keep our fingers crossed, im sure Cryptic will announce something in regards to a console version
soon.
nsl1987
08-30-2008, 07:07 AM
I personally hope it comes out for the PS3. I wouldn't mind playing on my computer, but my computer won't play Star Trek Legacy correctly so I'm afraid it won't run this game either.
thefrayl
08-30-2008, 07:09 AM
Just wanted to see how many console 360/PS3 owning trek fans are out there. I have 360 and really want to see this released, i think the game will run great using the control pad and keyboards won't be a problem for use either, so no pc users posting about dumbing down of the game controls please as this won't be a issue at all. And yea i've read the moans about kids using 360 etc but lets face it there's just as many kids using pc's as there is 360 so i don't think this will be problem.
It's high time MMO's made the jump to consoles as the next gen machines can easily handle them, not to mention your opening them up to a far bigger gamer base. I'll getting Champions online for 360 and i'm really lookig forward to it. And having read some of Q+As about the 3rd person real time action on both STO and CO i'm guessing the control pad will be very suited to this. I just hope we can all (PC and console) play on the same servers. it's been done already with vista based games on xbox live so it shouldn't be a problem.
I own a 360 & PC, and I'm certainly hoping for a console port. Theres no reason why they won't be able to play on the same server(s). It's actually already been done almost 7 years ago with FFXI. PC/PS2/360/PS3 players all play amongst one another. And no you don't need a Gold Live subscription to play a monthly fee based MMO.
While at times I would like to play on my PC, there are other times I would just like to kick back and be able to play in comfort with a Pad and a wireless keyboard.
KO_Gilligan
08-30-2008, 07:12 AM
Right consoles = more loyal users .....both consoles = less likely of having more loyal users.
I don't think there's any evidence of that... and you completely left out total revenue from the equation. I don't think there is any way they could have less gross sales with more platforms. Development cost is the reason you don't see more multi-platform games, not lower total sales or lower gross monthly revenues.
thefrayl
08-30-2008, 07:15 AM
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=8275
aguila432
08-30-2008, 07:15 AM
Yea waitin for this on xbox 360.
KO_Gilligan
08-30-2008, 07:21 AM
I personally hope it comes out for the PS3. I wouldn't mind playing on my computer, but my computer won't play Star Trek Legacy correctly so I'm afraid it won't run this game either.
Legacy is an XP only resource hog. I play it on my quad-core nicely.
I think STO won't have the requirements people expect but by then you'd better expect to have a little muscle... I'm guessing it will lag on anything less than a dual-core 8800gt or better system.... that's pretty mild if your talking about gaming a year from now. By then I'll probably have upgraded my video card ...twice :eek:
CroxPhire
08-30-2008, 11:18 AM
I used to be all about PC gaming but now that I have a PS3 and an xbox360 I would rather just play on those. Back in the day my PC was good for gaming but now its a little out dated.
NightWatcher
08-30-2008, 11:28 AM
I have a 360 but I will get it for pc.
jla1987
08-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I've got a 360, but I would prefer to play an MMO on my PC. If I heard that a console version was superior, then I may be enticed to buy it.
Jonathan_Talon
08-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I don't have a 360 but I'm thinking of getting one. My PC video card caught fire last week and I don't feel like throwing $500 into the PC for a new video card, larger hard drive (Cause I know STO is gonna require more memory than I got), new keyboard and mouse and a headset.
EkulTails
08-30-2008, 12:32 PM
The biggger the gamer base the more subscriptions the more game content and support we'll get, i think off the top of my head that there's well over 2 million xbox live users and i pretty sure at least 10% are going to be into star trek.
Edit make that 7 million
www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26589
Thats a huge gamer base
Edit again that was 7 million a year must be over 10 by now
Actually it's 12million users ;) I'm a huge PS3/360 nerd. But anyways, yeah I would love to see it hit both the PS3/360. I just wish that everyone could understand stand that the controls will NOT be dubbed done. Gez...just use a regular keyboard/mouse if you want to. I just can't wait to get my hands on a X360 version of it! :D
NeoWolf
08-30-2008, 12:46 PM
I would love to see it on the 360 but not in place of a PC release but AS WELL AS..
they are doing a joint PC/360 release with Champions online and the game uses the same base engine so it should reasonably be able to be PC/360 joint release without too much bother..whether they do with STO or not remains to be seen.
If it was 360 as well as PC id probably get the 360 version as im doing with Champ online as then I dont have to worry about specs, i just put the disc in, switch it on and play..hassle free. If need be just add a usb keyboard for chatting and all is good.
Now if they could release a touch screen style control method that looks like a LCARs display for the game id be very happy lol.. but anyway...
Elbrim
08-30-2008, 02:45 PM
I will play this on Xbox360. I know it will run on it if its made for it. I just hope and pray that they do something with voice chat between the PC and 360. Every cross platform game I have played has sucked for voice communication.
I personally would like to see my paid subscription allow me to play on both PC and 360 (providing i purchase both games of course) that way when the big screen is in use , i can just log on with the PC.
thefrayl
08-30-2008, 03:16 PM
If it was 360 as well as PC id probably get the 360 version as im doing with Champ online as then I dont have to worry about specs, i just put the disc in, switch it on and play..hassle free. If need be just add a usb keyboard for chatting and all is good.
Keep in mind that you will more than likely have to install the game to your 360, just like you would on PC. But yes, it does relieve a lot of worries about how it will run if it's on a console. :)
Trekkie
08-30-2008, 04:40 PM
Because it would expand the audience of the game, I wouldn't mind if Star Trek Online was playable on consoles as long as there wasn't a noticeable difference between players who only play on console and those who do not. Regardless, I will not be playing on consoles, but I do understand those who wish to be able to.
Actually it's 12million users ;) I'm a huge PS3/360 nerd. But anyways, yeah I would love to see it hit both the PS3/360. I just wish that everyone could understand stand that the controls will NOT be dubbed done. Gez...just use a regular keyboard/mouse if you want to. I just can't wait to get my hands on a X360 version of it! :D
Well a 12 million user base should warrant the port of all games. I think if CO sells well on the 360 we will see a 360 STO version, thats one reason i'm geting it.
I'm not sure how they'll get around the chat problem, more than likely you'll be able to chat to other xbox live users, but i doubt we'll be chating PC to 360.
I remember my Mrs having FXI on the 360 and we had to install it, not sure how much space CO or STO will take up but i can only free up 11GB on my 20GB harddisk, might have to invest in the 120GB soon.
And i worry also that my crappy laptop isn't going to handle CO or STO as it can't even run Legacy properly, about the best it can do is run games like Elite Force 2 and i really can't afford to invest in any sort of upgrading and i'm not even sure i can upgrade my laptops graphic card, it's only a ATI X1200 in a toshiba.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=8275
Excellent thread, it seems a given now that there is no reason not have any type of MMO on a console.
Zyrious
08-31-2008, 02:24 AM
I really don't want to speculate ( a qualifier used to disavow my self-absorption )
but....
I think you can count on the 360. If they did it for CO, it seems a bad move not to do it for STO too.
All the PC centric people and past threads regarding this issue are confusing the issue that this will be very much console playable. When I played CO at GenCon. I noticed that the team that was there from Cryptic couldn't stop using the Consol type Controllers on the PCs. With one developer I asked him to show me gameplay as he played it ... I was like "STOP THAT" and I tried to get him to use keyboard/mouse only and although it could be done, it made him very uncomfortable because they play alot with a console controller.
I think that's evidence enough.
That alone is a very, scary thought. He was more comfortable with a controller than a mouse/keyboard..
Just how simplified is that UI for that Game?
Also, if CO flops on the 360, count on Cryptic reconsidering signing a contract for STO on the 360 as well.
marscentral
08-31-2008, 04:14 AM
That alone is a very, scary thought. He was more comfortable with a controller than a mouse/keyboard..
Just how simplified is that UI for that Game?
Also, if CO flops on the 360, count on Cryptic reconsidering signing a contract for STO on the 360 as well.
It's not necessarliy that it's a simple UI (though I would ask why that has to be a bad thing), a joypad is designed to be comfortable. It's curved to fit in your hands, a keyboard and mouse aren't. Your hands don't need to move at all with a controller, whereas with a keyboard your hands are forced to hover over it and move around (especially if you're only using one because the other one is on a mouse). You can also shift seating position much easier, in fact you don't have to be seated at all if you don't want too.
thefrayl
08-31-2008, 07:08 AM
Yeah, FFXI's UI is far from simple. I remember playing it on the PC for years and could never imagine how people can play the game with a pad. I got it for the 360 and I never wanted to use a keyboard and mouse for it again. (Granted, I still use a keyboard for chatting though)
Yea i never played FFXI myself but the Mrs did enjoy it, from what i can remember it's very slow turn based combat anyway wasn't it?. And i'm guessing from what i got from the video that STO won't need that many controls with the planet side action being 3rd person real time combat, and with the starship battles your not going to need much for that either, 2 buttons for phasers and photons, 2 for impluse speed, 1 for targeting with radial menu for targeting systems and probably 1 for manageing your own ships systems. Can't see it taking a complicated UI system really.