Am I the only one DISAPPOINTED

[wizdom833]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????

[mezlabor]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????
Yes quite a bit. Vulcans are in as a federation race. Romulans ,Dominion and others will be added later after launch.

[thefrayl]

Yeah, you missed alot man... watch the webcast... then come back... please.

[LordDave]

Why yes! You did miss something.
The whole FAQ. Especially the part where

1) You can make any race you can image. Well.... humanoid anyway.
2) Romulans will be added later.
3) It's set 40 years after Nemesis.

Oh and the Maquis are all dead. Their fight: Meaningless (Cardassians were beaten).

[Minigig]

welcome to the forums. :p . go look around and read up on STO. it may surprise you abit

[Power_Play]

Yes, you missed a LOT.

Other races will be added. It will be Klingons and Feds at LAUNCH. This is to get the game out to all the ravening fans before we chew Jack's legs off and shackle him to his desk to work faster. I'm sure he feels, and rightly so, that game expansions after launch will allow for more flexibility than if they tried to stuff everything in at the start.

You will be able to create all kinds of humanoid races in the character creator. From the sounds of it, there will be plenty of leeway to make Vulcans, Trills, Caitians, perhaps even Ferengi. Jack said only humanoid to start, but perhaps things with tentacles later. :D


How's that?

[thefrayl]

I think it should be noted here that all the popular races WILL exist to begin with. It's just the factions (ie: play a Romulan or a Dominion character) will be released further down the road. Vulcans, Andorians, Ferengi, Bajorans, theyre all here.

[Spire]

You've been watching Star Trek that long and you don't know Vulcans are part of the Federation? The Federation is not a race, it's going to have like 5 different species to choose from. And this is set in the future of Star Trek, 30 years after the series and movies. They're probably going to make a Romulan faction as an expansion and maybe more factions later.

Please actually know what your talking about before complaining about how disappointed you are.

[Ascension]

The Federation really isn't a "race". It's an alliance made up of over 150 species. So, there should be a large assortmet of Federation members to play. Humans, Vulcans, Tellarite, Andorians, etc. (I hope they just don't think with the most recent ones focused on in Enterprise. Bajorans, Betazoids, Bolians, Trill, etc would be nice). The reason Klingons are focused on in the initial release is because they're the most popular of all the Trek species.

Klingonese is taught in colleges!

Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengi, the Dominion, and Borg are influential species, but not as popular as the Klingons. They'll probably be used later on in future expansions if STO is a popular game. I myself would LOVE to play as the Borg. Maybe make a rogue faction that spawned up from the Unimatrix Zero plot on Voyager.

[KL0k]

and i would like to add that there are 4 species in the gameplay trailer (a human, vulcan, andorian, and someone that looked like a trill to me) all in feds clothes

[thefrayl]

Oooh, I have another obvious Reference to an in-game race. Just look at the freaking picture on top of the page! :D

[suppliesidejesus]

Oooh, I have another obvious Reference to an in-game race. Just look at the freaking picture on top of the page! :D

So, after 30 more years, the Romulans are still using the D'Deridex class Warbird as the backbone of their fleet?

[Cryptic_Fan_101]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old.

You're almost 40 years old, yet immediately jumping to enough conclusions to make a thread like this proclaiming your disappointment?

Did I miss something???????

Yeah, apparently the FAQ, broadcast from Vegas, and all the interviews Cryptic has presented so far.

[wizdom833]

Wow, cool, some very quick replies.

If you read my thread, I never said that Vulcan was not Federation I was just wondering if you would be able to be one. Yes, I did see that he said that you would be able to create "humanoid" creations, well, that was the whole ST universe. They are all humanoid as it explains here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanoid for all that may be interested. So if that is the case then that means that we would be able to create characters that are of any character in STU..........but that is not what I just saw or heard.

I am sorry I did not explain myself more clearly as it pertains to "races", I did not mean to emply that the Federation was a "race" just that it is one Conglomerate as is Klingon, as is Ferenge as is Romulan which are by definition "Humanoid" Even Gorn is considered "Humanoid" by definition.

BTW, I said "I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise." IF you notice the key word there "LIKE" for "LordDave"

[Dext]

You have missed alot you may wount to go look more then post.

[LordDave]

BTW, I said "I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise." IF you notice the key word there "LIKE" for "LordDave"

I know, I saw the "If". I just chose to ignore it. :p

Also: The whole trek universe is NOT humanoids. Yeah, what you saw on the shows were mostly humanoids, but the Tholians aren't humanoids.
There's some weird fish guys and insect guys shown on Enterprise.

TOS is kinda seen as the first, but best forgotten version. I mean, it's the only one where the design is 100% different then the others.

[naynayz]

you are the only one. j/k lol i love it personally but i love most ST stuff.

[desstl]

So, after 30 more years, the Romulans are still using the D'Deridex class Warbird as the backbone of their fleet?

Yes and SF is apparently using the Sovereign as the backbone of theirs. 30 years is not a long time in terms of ships overall design. Especially if that time was spent under relatively peaceful circumstances. I think we all need to keep in mind its 1000 times easier to take an existing Hull paint it mount a gun on it replace a system or 3 and put it back into service than to invest the time and effort it takes to come up with something completely new, dock test it, field test it and then mass produce it in sufficient quantities to replace a current ship of the line. Look at the Klingons for example. They’ve been using the same Bird of prey style ship since Kirk was thin.

[wizdom833]

ROFL, Ok, Good to know you saw it at least :)

Yes, in the series "Enterprise" they did show some water creatures that I do not remember the name of which are the only ones that I have seen in ST that are not "Humanoid". I think even the insect creatures are considered "Humanoid" by description via Wiki.

Anyways, I definitely woke some people up.

[desstl]

Wow, cool, some very quick replies.

If you read my thread, I never said that Vulcan was not Federation I was just wondering if you would be able to be one. Yes, I did see that he said that you would be able to create "humanoid" creations, well, that was the whole ST universe. They are all humanoid as it explains here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanoid for all that may be interested. So if that is the case then that means that we would be able to create characters that are of any character in STU..........but that is not what I just saw or heard.

I am sorry I did not explain myself more clearly as it pertains to "races", I did not mean to emply that the Federation was a "race" just that it is one Conglomerate as is Klingon, as is Ferenge as is Romulan which are by definition "Humanoid" Even Gorn is considered "Humanoid" by definition.

BTW, I said "I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise." IF you notice the key word there "LIKE" for "LordDave"

Look at it from a purely capitalistic view.

1. The more Faction you include the more people are going to want to play.
2. The more Faction you include at launch the more delayed your launch is going to be.
3. The more you include at launch the fewer things you will be able to build your expansions around.
4. Well time expansions bring gamers back who are starting to become bored with your current content even if you have a good content patch system.

I could go on but I think you get the picture. If you build a game with the two most popular factions and put it on the market. Then the community gets to see the most important things about your game and determine whether or not to keep playing it. The developer then begin to make money off the product to offset the original and additional development costs that go along with putting a game of this size on the streets. The Devs keep a wealth of things they can build future expansions around in their pocket. The community gets a game they've been waiting for and you built a " I love this game and can't wait for X to come out" gamer group that will not only for over the 40 or 50 bucks up front but 10 to 20 dollars a month to play and an additional 20 to 30 buck for every expansion you hit them with.

[Boone]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????


Well first off its a little early to be disappointed. I'm around your age.

Remember coding, models etc takes time. They are probably setting the bar to a reasonable approach.

Also those aren't the only two races. It has been mentioned you can play a Vulcan, Andorian, Tellerite, and there will be the option to customize a race to fit ones that are not included.

Fed and Empire relations have been on a rollercoaster for many years. It is only a matter of time before the Empire would turn on the Federation. 30 years in the future Martok is probably no longer chancellor. With him no longer Chancellor Worf is no longer Ambassador. Martok's age is not established but he is generally portrayed as older than Worf. He would have certainly passed from his prime by this point, as probably would have Worf himself. The last Duras could have challenged either being younger and could have won and taken the Empire by this point. Miral Paris could end up being as rebellious as her parents and choose to go to the Empire to lead it back to glory as well.

I have no doubt that the Romulans would be among the first expansions.

[wizdom833]

I sure hope so. I am curious as to how they end up working the different types in ie engineering, medical etc. as well. Like I said, I will definitely be one of the first to be buying it but it just seems that Perpetual had a better idea and concept.............maybe theres was not realistic with there abilities but I was excited though. I will be patient and see how it goes.

[Yavin_Prime]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????

Hmm perhaps you should take a look at the offical FAQs, the game is to take place in 2409. Now as for multi factions and such I'm not trying to be mean in saying this but its obvious you don't know how much work goes into a game. Having two factions is a norm for the MMO world because MMOs are unlike any other game in which they take major ammount of time and resources to make. Each faction will have to have missions, planets, hubs, space, NPCs, ships, races, pvp areas, auction markets, and much more... then all this content needs to be broken by beta testers over and over agian just to make sure it works when people pull it out of the box. So I assure you two factions is a LOT of work for Cryptic... if you want all of the factions perhaps we can all wait untill 2011 for them to luanch the game. I don't know about you but I've been waiting for this game for 4ish years now and I don't want to waint till 2011.

The upside you may have neglected to note is that MMOs are always evolving, they have expantions and added content. Its very realistic for a game like STO to gain more factions over the lifetime of the game (which can be upwards of 10+ years, note that EQ1 is still up and running and that launched back in 1998 I belive... don't even get me started on UO). With that said the only thing that is disapointing is that your expectations are set way to high...

I will say this, Cryptic is a tried and true company and I assure you that as time goes on the game will expand a ton, so I wouldn't worry, perhaps the faction you want will show up post-launch.

[Ravain]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????

Well, first off, welcome to the Forum of chit chat.

As i am sure by now after all the egg throwing at you, i hope yo did read the FAQ and other posting from STO Staff Cryptic.
I am sure you got allot of answers ad i ope now you are more happy then when you posted this.

Anyways, throw your ideas and whatnot on various post maybe you have more insight then what been posted and ware, we are pretty fanatic about this project and supportive.

Peace

[Reinkaos]

1) You can make any race you can image. Well.... humanoid anyway.

Kinda moot when you can only join the Federation or Klingons at the start. But aye ;)

[LordDave]

Kinda moot when you can only join the Federation or Klingons at the start. But aye ;)

Why? The Federation or Klingon Empire is just a governmental body. A faction even. I mean, ya gotta be with SOMEONE, otherwise nothing you do will matter to anyone but yourself. Besides, where would you get your orders from?

[Cryptic_Fan_101]

So, after 30 more years, the Romulans are still using the D'Deridex class Warbird as the backbone of their fleet?

You do appreciate the US armed forces have vehicles still active in service that are more than 50 years old, right?

[mezlabor]

You do appreciate the US armed forces have vehicles still active in service that are more than 50 years old, right?

The b-52 strato fortress. not to mention the Federation used the excelsior as the backbone of the fleet for over 100 years. The Klingons used the d7/k'tinga frame for abotu as long.

[Cryptic_Fan_101]

Another example of "old" technology still in active service. You might even recognize the name. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)) :cool:

[mezlabor]

Another example of "old" technology still in active service. You might even recognize the name. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)) :cool:

not to mention the cobra which has been in service for 40 years.

[Hagon]

I'm over 40 and was disappointed as well.


I'll get over there not being any nudity though.

Oh wait, that's not what we're talking about.

Sorry.

Carry on.

[Kinjiru]

I'm over 40 and was disappointed as well.


I'll get over there not being any nudity though.

Oh wait, that's not what we're talking about.

Sorry.

Carry on.

Hell, I'm glad there's no nudity. Have you ever seen a Klingon naked?

[i-onix]

Hell, I'm glad there's no nudity. Have you ever seen a Klingon naked?


EEK! :eek:

[desstl]

Hell, I'm glad there's no nudity. Have you ever seen a Klingon naked?

No but i never saw seven of nine naked either but I alway wanted too.

[Kinjiru]

EEK! :eek:

Oh, well then you have. :D

[Kinjiru]

No but i never saw seven of nine naked either but I alway wanted too.

You didn't see the cable-only series "The Girls of Trek" by Larry Flint?

Poor man. :D

[Cryptic_Fan_101]

Hell, I'm glad there's no nudity. Have you ever seen a Klingon naked?

<insert obligatory "yo momma" joke here>

Sorry, I couldn't resist! :D

[Fencer8]

I looked at what cryptic claims is their starting point . Very dataed graphics , an MMO that seems to just work sort of . For the numbers that seem to be around , just how many of use can really get online at once .

[Nyrkl]

They can make this online game to one of the biggest in history. The universe is very big and all those sectors to explore and races to meet. Star trek already have many scripts they can use in the game. I would not worry about a lack of races, ships or space... It will not be there all at the start or the game would be launched in 2023. :P

I think the federation is a very good start. ;)


Greetings,

Nyrkl :D

[desstl]

I looked at what cryptic claims is their starting point . Very dataed graphics , an MMO that seems to just work sort of . For the numbers that seem to be around , just how many of use can really get online at once .

Just wondering... Where did you see "what cryptic claims is their starting point" CO has yet to be released and server loads are going to depend upon the quality of the rigs which probably haven't even been bought yet.

[marscentral]

The community gets a game they've been waiting for and you built a " I love this game and can't wait for X to come out" gamer group that will not only for over the 40 or 50 bucks up front but 10 to 20 dollars a month to play and an additional 20 to 30 buck for every expansion you hit them with.

I'm hoping they follow CoH's model of making regular free expansions. Apart from CoV (which was more a new game), CoH had about three expansions a year they didn't charge a penny for. Whether that was Cryptic or NCSoft's decision (or both), I don't know. It's too early to start talking pricing though and it's probably another thread.

[Creoleman]

Speaking as someone of some 40+ summers, and a Star Trek fan to boot, I can speak to my expectations for STO as of this date. Realistically, I have good expectations for the game at this stage of development and can only see things getting better and better as time goes by. I'm not 100% bothered with there being only two playable factions, and this does hearken back to TOS, with the Federation/Klingon rivalry the centerpiece of the game.

Do they really need more playable factions, such as the Maquis? No, because this is not Traveller or to use a MMO example, this is not E.V.E.. The need to play independent factions such as the Maquis is not necessary at this stage of development, since every example of Star Trek, from TOS to Voyager has centered around the Federation and its struggle to explore strange new worlds, etc., etc.. Shows like Firefly, if they ever get the MMO off the ground, would be a better venue for having independent factions available at launch than STO.

There is room for the Maquis and other independent factions, but there first needs to be Romulans and other major players first and then they can introduce the others when they are ready. I think that they are heading in the right direction and there is no reason to change direction at this stage of development.

Everything is coming along just fine and Cryptic should keep moving ahead, Warp 9.99 and don't stop until they hit their launch date. I am excited to be here to witness this amazing game take shape and can't wait for the next game video or screen shots to show up here and see what new stuff they have in store for us.

Live Long and Prosper, my friends.

[Kitsunami]

Welcome

You missed quite a bit hun.

Especially, the potential awesomeness known as 'Create your own race'

I do hope they wont restrict that to pure human features however... (ie, just color change)

[KO_Gilligan]

I might be really steamed if I can't have a Horta Chief of Security

[onibocho]

I might be really steamed if I can't have a Horta Chief of Security

That wouldn't work. He'd be saying "No kill I" all the time.:D

[ReynoldsXD]

Did I miss something???????


To make a quality game one has to limit the amount of content he needs to create, playtest bugtest and overhaul.

All that takes time and stuff and fleshing out the klingons and feds will be a tough task already, increasing the potential for a major ****up by adding more races at this point just isnt worth the risk. STO shoul be released polished and not in a state of beta.

New races and faction can be added after the game stands on solid feet.



Just look at vanguard, age of conan and the likes to see what you get when devs bite more then they ca nchew.

[KL0k]

then lets just hope they bring in the other factions quite fast, cause they may attract more trek-fans, since a lot of them have a passion for the other empires (like myself for the romulans and borg)

[Flixi]

Agreed Reynolds.

The release should be clear and polished and not reflect early beta like in many other games.

Thenbetter a release with not so many content and not so many features, but a release where the players see a solid game plus the first indicators that more features will come afterwards.

[sjooshh]

can this thread get closed people need to read faq first

[KL0k]

so, basicly "the blizzard-way" lol. but yes, i have to agree on this. im so rid of buying beta-state software ina box, that i hear myself saying "oh my god, not again" when it happens..

[demonic25]

Maybe you should just,well go away or something?....haha nah if your not happy with what Cryptic are doing then just go and play another game and let this one fly under the radar for you?

[TheMasterpiece]

Maybe you should just,well go away or something?....haha nah if your not happy with what Cryptic are doing then just go and play another game and let this one fly under the radar for you?





Well thats one option, another is to read into the game, find out what its gonna be about, look at the features we DO have, as well as the ones we'll have in the future. that should make for a pretty good game.

[thefrayl]

Well thats one option, another is to read into the game, find out what its gonna be about, look at the features we DO have, as well as the ones we'll have in the future. that should make for a pretty good game.

I think it's going to be excellent! And very fresh as far as MMOs are concerned. So many people are complaining. I just don't get the reasoning. Especially considering it was JUST announced!

[_Pax_]

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!
Ancient chinese proverb: "The journey of a thousand miles, begins with but a single step".

IOW, you should read that as "Only Fed and Klingon FOR NOW, with others to come in later expansions".

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.
Star Fleet Battles started with only the Federation and Klingon Heavy Cruisers (just the Klingon D-7 and the Federation Constitution-class). Now, however, it has dozens of races, and hundreds of ship classes.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise.
The Maquis (note spelling) would likely be an option in a Cardassia/Bajor expansion. Failing that, we might see a "Neutral Powers" expansion, that would include the Maquis and other organisations. (Orion Pirates, anyone?)

But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.
And one of their staunchest, most pwoerful ENEMIES.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.
Vulcans are part of the Federation.

Romulans are likely a future expansion. As are the Dominion.

...

And you think YOU'RE missing races? How about the Gorn? The Hydran Star Kingdom? Lyrans - both/either the Lyran Star Empire, or the short-lived breakaway Lyran Democratic Republic? The WYN Cluster? The Tholian Holdfast, and/or their Seltorian nemeses? The Interstellar Concordium? Those Orion Pirate syndicates I mentioned above? What of the Kzin Hegemony - which, yes, WERE written into Star Trek canon, thank you animated series!

And that list there, is really just "the tip of the iceberg". Plus, I know half or more will never see life in STO.

But you know? I'd rather Cryptic focussed on just 1-3 races ata time, and got them all right (or as much so as possible), than spread themselves too thin across a half-dozen or more races, getting NONE of them even CLOSE to "right" in the process ...

[walltar]

I thin that concentration on only two races at start is good decision. They can doo many ships, planets, missions and other content for launch and then make new races one by one so we will have enough content for every race. It is better than 6 races at start every with alomst no ships and other content.

[TheMasterpiece]

I think it's going to be excellent! And very fresh as far as MMOs are concerned. So many people are complaining. I just don't get the reasoning. Especially considering it was JUST announced!



Well, once the website was named on the webcast the general public really heard about it. ALl of them, so we have a lot of people coming here who really dont know how to act, havent read the FAQ, etc.

[wizdom833]

OK! For those of you that got what I was saying and that responded with a shred of dignity I Thank You. For those that didn't get what I was saying why don't you re-read my post and concentrate this time.

1st of all I "Googled" the spelling of "Marquis" and this is the way it was spelled, so if it is wrong then so be it, I picked the wrong link to take it from.

2nd of all, I have read the FAQ's, not completely but yes I did read some of them and yes I did hear what they were saying that you could create your own race. I am sorry that I used the word "race" too much and should of been saying "faction" or "Conglomerate". I think they should of at least had the Romulans at start along with the 2 mentioned, I don't think that would have taken that much extra time

3rd. Yes, I do understand the concept and what goes into making an MMORPG Game. I am a longtiime player of SWG, CoH/CoV. I have an EVE account as well as just got Tabula Rasa. Being on SWG and CoH for as long as I have I know and that there is NEVER a "Solid" foundation ,although I will say the CoH has been much more stable then SWG. All that been said the stability comes with the "Engine" and if you guys remember from the video he said that he will be using the Engine that is already created for STO so they have not had to create one so that would give extra time to create a 3rd race.

4th, This is supposed to be "40 Years in the future", not the past where Klingons and Fed's are enemies. If they wanted to create just two races why not Romulans and Fed's? They are two races that have been enemies since the beginning and then add Klingons to next update. I was not stating they needed to have all "Factions" at startup but the two "Factions" that have worked for decades to be allies I find that disturbing and disheartening being that I have enjoyed the union.

[wizdom833]

Maybe you should just,well go away or something?....haha nah if your not happy with what Cryptic are doing then just go and play another game and let this one fly under the radar for you?
To this message. What was the purpose of your response? If you didn't like the thread then all you had to do is move on.

[Kinjiru]

4th, This is supposed to be "40 Years in the future", not the past where Klingons and Fed's are enemies. If they wanted to create just two races why not Romulans and Fed's? They are two races that have been enemies since the beginning and then add Klingons to next update. I was not stating they needed to have all "Factions" at startup but the two "Factions" that have worked for decades to be allies I find that disturbing and disheartening being that I have enjoyed the union.

Actually, it's 30 years. And Klingon/Federation relations have always been strained. Sort of a Cold War US/Soviet type of relationship. All it would take is one "Klingon First" family to get influence over the Klingon High Command to worsen relations further. And the Klingon's have never respected the Federation's (forgive the term) "Carebear" attitude toward the galaxy.

The reason for using Klingons instead of Romulans (And I wish they had, I love the Romulans and will have one as soon as possible) is simply that the Klingons are very well known, thanks to Michael Dorn, and more potential players would like to have a Klingon character than one of the more secretive Romulans.

Does that help?

[wizdom833]

Ok, a couple of the threads here said 40 and I actually thought it was supposed to be 40 years as well from what I remember from the talk. Thank You for that clarification.

You are right, but I have seen story lines in games that I have been playing, I have played sooooo many startrek games I can't remember which one, but the Federation and Klingon emplire created "Unity 1" and in the "Forward Statement" that Patrick Stewart as Picard was saying that the alliance with the Klingons and the Federation has never been stronger. So in my opinion this is just removing that all on it's own without having a "Klingon First family" get influence over the High Command. I think that the Romulan Empire and Federation would have been strong enough to get people to buy and play. I do not believe that there is any need for a strategy as too what faction was needed to get people to buy the game, rofl.

Even with my disappointment, like I said, I will be one of the first to go out and get it. I would love to be Beta Tester as well but that is another Thread :D

[TheMasterpiece]

4th, This is supposed to be "40 Years in the future", not the past where Klingons and Fed's are enemies. If they wanted to create just two races why not Romulans and Fed's? They are two races that have been enemies since the beginning and then add Klingons to next update. I was not stating they needed to have all "Factions" at startup but the two "Factions" that have worked for decades to be allies I find that disturbing and disheartening being that I have enjoyed the union.




Well, remember this, ALOT can change in 40 years. if we were used to 40 years prior to tng and then we got this tng thing where klingons and the fed is at peace people would say "WTF.......this isnt right, the klingons and federation are mortal enemies". Well, 40 years from now, it might be back to that. no alliance or treaty lasts FOREVER. And we will getta see what happened during these 40 years so we'll understand it all

[Kinjiru]

Well, remember this, ALOT can change in 40 years. if we were used to 40 years prior to tng and then we got this tng thing where klingons and the fed is at peace people would say "WTF.......this isnt right, the klingons and federation are mortal enemies". Well, 40 years from now, it might be back to that. no alliance or treaty lasts FOREVER. And we will getta see what happened during these 40 years so we'll understand it all

When TNG came out, my first thought was "What the hell have they done to the ship!", shortly followed by, "What the hell, we're at peace with the Klingons???"

And we all got over that fairly quickly. :)

[thefrayl]

Yes, Worf made his first appearance on screen and I thought: Oh my god. Can't they see the SPY in their midst? The 24th century is BLIND!

[stabnore]

I am brand new to the forum! I must say I didn't read this whole forum and all the responses but I did watch the webcast.

I am disappointed that I have to wait to be Romulan. I'll probably go Klingon for the added advantage of stealth. But since the accords have broken down the federation should be using the phase shift cloak technology they experimented with and almost completely perfected in TNG.

I had an idea to do a Star Trek Based mmo for like two years now I just don't have the resources. I really do like the direction they seam to be headed in. Still a little disappointed I got beat to the punch again. lol

I need to ask about federation cloak and archaeological discovery. Where do I go?

[LordDave]

I am brand new to the forum! I must say I didn't read this whole forum and all the responses but I did watch the webcast.

I am disappointed that I have to wait to be Romulan. I'll probably go Klingon for the added advantage of stealth. But since the accords have broken down the federation should be using the phase shift cloak technology they experimented with and almost completely perfected in TNG.

I had an idea to do a Star Trek Based mmo for like two years now I just don't have the resources. I really do like the direction they seam to be headed in. Still a little disappointed I got beat to the punch again. lol

I need to ask about federation cloak and archaeological discovery. Where do I go?

It's already asked. Do a search for cloak

[mezlabor]

I am brand new to the forum! I must say I didn't read this whole forum and all the responses but I did watch the webcast.

I am disappointed that I have to wait to be Romulan. I'll probably go Klingon for the added advantage of stealth. But since the accords have broken down the federation should be using the phase shift cloak technology they experimented with and almost completely perfected in TNG.

I had an idea to do a Star Trek Based mmo for like two years now I just don't have the resources. I really do like the direction they seam to be headed in. Still a little disappointed I got beat to the punch again. lol

I need to ask about federation cloak and archaeological discovery. Where do I go?

The treaty preventing the Feds from using cloaks is with the romulans not the klingons.

[Foxstab]

...here is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

You have misunderstood.
At the time of launch only these two FACTIONS will be available for you to set your allegiance to.
You're still completely free at your choice of character as you have a versatile avatar creator.
Later on, more factions will be added to the galactic conflict.

[kjstewart]

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????

well how long after launch do you think the first expansion be?? and i'm sure as we grow, more "fractions" will become playable. So disappointed, not really ... it's just like all other MMOs

[Trekkie]

As others have pointed out, there will be a number of species (including those that players created themselves) when the game launches, but these species must choose to align with one of the two factions. Personally, I like the idea that Cryptic Studios is saving other factions for future releases (though I would like to have seen the Romulans available at launch) because hopefully playing different factions will lead to a different experience for each one.

[wizdom833]

The treaty preventing the Feds from using cloaks is with the romulans not the klingons.
I will have to disagree on this. I was under the same understanding that the treaty with the Klingons is the reason we were not able to have cloak. My understanding is that we have no agreements what so ever with the Romulans especially since in TNG you saw the episode where they made a big deal about not seeing the Romulans for over 100 years or something like that.

[ReynoldsXD]

I will have to disagree on this. I was under the same understanding that the treaty with the Klingons is the reason we were not able to have cloak. My understanding is that we have no agreements what so ever with the Romulans especially since in TNG you saw the episode where they made a big deal about not seeing the Romulans for over 100 years or something like that.

*nerd hate mode*


The treaty of algeron with the romulans was what put that limitation onto the feds.

Lobsterfaces had nuthing to do with it.

[marscentral]

It was a Romulan who oversaw the cloaking device on the Defiant. They seemed quite bothered about the Federation not stealing it or using it without them.

[USS_Parallax]

Didn't the Romulan die in like the first freakin' episode with the cloak and then they never got a replacement?

[BlackWolf]

I don't know about any of you but I am almost 40 years old. I have been watching StarTrek since I was able to understand the concept of television.

I am a fan of cryptic and what they have done with other MMO's but am extremely disappointed in there concept for STO.

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?

To have only Fed and Klingon is just sad. I understand if maybe the job is too difficult for Cryptic to create ALL the other races which I believe are important to the StarTrek Universe but to ONLY create 2 races and that is it. You have got to be kidding me.

I was wanting to be a race that is Free or Rogue, like the Marquise. But from what I have seen it is limited. Even if I was playing as a Fed, I wouldn't want to be battling the Klingons because in my opinion they make one of the best Allies StarFleet has ever had.

Not to mention, what about Vulcans?? Romulans?? Two VERY Important species in the STUniverse, especially since the Vulcans were the race that discovered Earth.

Did I miss something???????

*Taps on the table* mmm it seems that only one person tried to answer correctly his question, the rest was kinda reply of being 40 years old and more pointless stuff......people stay on topic.

First: The Federation and Klingons is for 'now' the only two factions you can choose yes, BUT as have been said in the Convo in Vegas : We shall expand to more races such as Romulans, Cardassians, Dominion enz enz

Second: This is set in the 25 century (30 not 40..... years after nemesis)

Third: The job is difficult plus, the game is in its early status. Mate Rome was also not build in 7 days ;) relax and enjoy what they offer you for now

Fourth: Marquis are death kinda......lol but I am also hoping for a free freelancer life

Fifth: They will come......they wont forget the Romulans nor the Vulcans ;)

Check the Vegas Convo video on the site and maybe the trailer :) other then that welcome to the forum

[lobsternooberg]

i wonder if they will add the orion pirates but they will probably be mobs..........

what about that sun shield thingy (forgot what they called it) that let them go into the middle of the sun...... almost hilarious....

i want to be traveller or Q...... but i bet they will be plot points/quest hubs/etc.

[sabrebh]

ROFL, Ok, Good to know you saw it at least :)

Yes, in the series "Enterprise" they did show some water creatures that I do not remember the name of which are the only ones that I have seen in ST that are not "Humanoid". I think even the insect creatures are considered "Humanoid" by description via Wiki.

Anyways, I definitely woke some people up.

Just reminding you, that by this time, the Horta is a Federation Race and are certainly not humanoid . . . ;)

(the silicon-based race that Spock mind-melded with in "The Devil in the Dark")

[awhite75]

Am I the only one DISAPPOINTED?
Yes

(just kidding, there may be others)

Did I miss something???????
Yes

----------------------

Seems like you are over analyzing what we know so far. There will be a race creation tool to create whatever race you want. We know that much. And expect Vulcans, Romulans, Cardassians, etc. to be in there already as well, maybe not completely flesh out but to some degree I expect.

I am optimistic that there will eventually be other factions and you can put those created races into those factions as well probably. They may even let us create factions, who knows--nothing is set in stone. There is also a pirate faction that will be linked with the Klingons.

Don't worry so much. The more I learn about Cryptic, the more I see that they got a lot of their bases covered.

[lobsternooberg]

i cant remember any non humanoids really except for a couple of energy creatures gomtuu and the silicon based life spock melded with in the first..... 90+% are humanoid

[Sythian]

There is ONLY going to be Federation and Klingon?????? You have GOT to be kidding!!!!

Is this set in the past, present or future (as it pertains to Startrek Universe)?


Correction, the Federation and the Klingon Empire are the only playable Factions for ST:O launch. Other factions will be made playable at a later date.

All races, including once we have not yet seen will be in game.

[lobsternooberg]

i want to be a vulcan that joined the romulans and uses the mind meld to extract information

:)

[wizdom833]

*nerd hate mode*


The treaty of algeron with the romulans was what put that limitation onto the feds.

Lobsterfaces had nuthing to do with it.
Nice, I stand corrected. I forgot about that. I always thought it was Klingons but I now recall hearing that from the cobbwebbs in my memory.

[KidBang]

I'm lost at the original post...a huge Star Trek fan, that doesn't know the difference between human and federation??

[Duras]

The only thing I'm dissapointed in is that I cannot get STO right NOW and kick some Starfleet butt....

[wizdom833]

*Taps on the table* mmm it seems that only one person tried to answer correctly his question, the rest was kinda reply of being 40 years old and more pointless stuff......people stay on topic.

First: The Federation and Klingons is for 'now' the only two factions you can choose yes, BUT as have been said in the Convo in Vegas : We shall expand to more races such as Romulans, Cardassians, Dominion enz enz

Second: This is set in the 25 century (30 not 40..... years after nemesis)

Third: The job is difficult plus, the game is in its early status. Mate Rome was also not build in 7 days ;) relax and enjoy what they offer you for now

Fourth: Marquis are death kinda......lol but I am also hoping for a free freelancer life

Fifth: They will come......they wont forget the Romulans nor the Vulcans ;)

Check the Vegas Convo video on the site and maybe the trailer :) other then that welcome to the forum
Yeah, all these things you have mentioned have already been discussed. As I stated to the first person that mentioned the Marquis I just wanted to be "LIKE" them, not them. Who's to say they are dead anyway, just spread out probably and not enough to form a "Faction"..........at least not Yet! Muuuaaahhhhaaaaa :D

...And btw, I also was corrected as well as to the number of years, 30 not 40, as I stated 40 is what I got from some other discussions that I have been in and could of swore is what was stated when STO was in the beginning stages with Perpetual.

[KidBang]

The only thing I'm dissapointed in is that I cannot get STO right NOW and kick some Starfleet butt....

Second! Just replace Starfleet with Klingon ;)

[wizdom833]

I'm lost at the original post...a huge Star Trek fan, that doesn't know the difference between human and federation??
What in the world are you talking about? You sound like you are still confused!

[Abreu]

You are not the only one. For diferent reasons then yours I am also disappointed.
I dont like the ideia of each one having is own ship and crew.
It apears the game is sifting into samething like Legacy meats Away Team.
However I am still interested.
Lets just wait and see.

[BlackWolf]

Yeah, all these things you have mentioned have already been discussed. As I stated to the first person that mentioned the Marquis I just wanted to be "LIKE" them, not them. Who's to say they are dead anyway, just spread out probably and not enough to form a "Faction"..........at least not Yet! Muuuaaahhhhaaaaa :D

...And btw, I also was corrected as well as to the number of years, 30 not 40, as I stated 40 is what I got from some other discussions that I have been in and could of swore is what was stated when STO was in the beginning stages with Perpetual.

*scrats* right, well its good that you know the answer then :)

[grimman]

Search the website, read the forums and you will realize that there is much much more in the works for STO.

[Blackman]

No you aren't alone. I too am disappointed.

[_Pax_]

1st of all I "Googled" the spelling of "Marquis" and this is the way it was spelled, so if it is wrong then so be it, I picked the wrong link to take it from.
Except, "Marquis" and "Maquis" are not the same word. The Maquis (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maquis) were (2a) "a guerrilla fighter in the French underground during World War II", and it is from this group that the Trek group took their name.

Whereas, "marquis" or (feminine) "marquess (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marquess)" is a rankof nobility.

That's why you were gently corrected on the spelling of the word. :)

2nd of all, I have read the FAQ's, not completely but yes I did read some of them and yes I did hear what they were saying that you could create your own race. I am sorry that I used the word "race" too much and should of been saying "faction" or "Conglomerate". I think they should of at least had the Romulans at start along with the 2 mentioned, I don't think that would have taken that much extra time
First of all, about that last comment about time, Standard Code Rant (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=code2jq8.png) (in this case, taken from a former Cryptic product, "City of Heroes") applies.

Second of all, you may have heard of another MMO that died out within two years of launch: Auto Assault. It is my sincere belief that the game might have launched in better condition - and thus, might not have DIED at all - if they had launched with only TWO, not three, factions.

Each faction is going to be, content-wise (and likely, the User Interface, as well), an equivalent undertaking to an entire new game. Ships, locations, NPCs, missions, stories, background text, the works.

4th, This is supposed to be "40 Years in the future", not the past where Klingons and Fed's are enemies.
Times change. Who was once our enemy, may now be our ally. Who was once our ally, may now be our enemy.

If they wanted to create just two races why not Romulans and Fed's?
Klingons are more popular than Romulans. The Romulans don't have anythign to match, say, the Klingon Language Institute (http://www.kli.org/).

[Ptahk]

Not sure what you know or don't know about the game but here's something to put your mind at rest, the Kazon will not be in the game, they all got jobs as stewardeses for British airways.

[theNater]

What in the world are you talking about? You sound like you are still confused!
I'll happily admit I'm confused. A fair number of posters in this thread are using the words "faction" and "race" interchangeably, and that's throwing me off.

The game will have two playable factions at launch. Faction can be expected to have a very large impact on the play experience. I cannot tell whether the disappointment stems from two being an insufficient number of factions or from a favorite faction not being available at launch.

Each faction is expected to have several playable races at launch, with the ability for players to create additional races. It is unclear as to whether all playable races will be available to all factions. It is also unclear how large an impact character race will have on gameplay. We can expect, however, that Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, Klingons, Orions, and Gorn will be playable at launch.

I am also confused by the suggestion that alliances, once formed and strengthened, cannot be dissolved. The Klingons and the Federation have extremely different priorities, and the presence of skilled and accomplished diplomats is necessary to maintain goodwill. A single decade without such diplomats could rekindle hostilities, fueled to greater enmity by feelings of betrayal on both sides.

[wizdom833]

I'll happily admit I'm confused. A fair number of posters in this thread are using the words "faction" and "race" interchangeably, and that's throwing me off.

The game will have two playable factions at launch. Faction can be expected to have a very large impact on the play experience. I cannot tell whether the disappointment stems from two being an insufficient number of factions or from a favorite faction not being available at launch.

Each faction is expected to have several playable races at launch, with the ability for players to create additional races. It is unclear as to whether all playable races will be available to all factions. It is also unclear how large an impact character race will have on gameplay. We can expect, however, that Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, Klingons, Orions, and Gorn will be playable at launch.

I am also confused by the suggestion that alliances, once formed and strengthened, cannot be dissolved. The Klingons and the Federation have extremely different priorities, and the presence of skilled and accomplished diplomats is necessary to maintain goodwill. A single decade without such diplomats could rekindle hostilities, fueled to greater enmity by feelings of betrayal on both sides.
THIS IS IT IN A NUTSHELL
Wow, the whole purpose of alliances is to work together through the differences. Federation brought the Klingons out of destruction, truces were forged, promises were made. We battled the Dominion, Borg, and the Romulans together to name a few.

I am definitely not saying that we will continue to be partners but to be forced to become enemies is much further than I want. I know this is just a show but we will be characters in the game, as long as I don't HAVE to be enemies with the Klingons then I will be happy with the game, but if the game forces me to HAVE to be enemies with Klingons then that is where the "Disappointment" comes to play.

All in All, I am Extremely happy with the concept of the game, the races/factions or whatever you want to call it.

[wizdom833]

FYI StarWars Galaxies Started out with 3 possible Factions, Rebel, Emperial's and Neutral and it is still going strong. Or if you were there in the beginning it was Rebel, Empire and Neutral

[Kinjiru]

FYI StarWars Galaxies Started out with 3 possible Factions, Rebel, Emperial's and Neutral and it is still going strong. Or if you were there in the beginning it was Rebel, Empire and Neutral

Keep in mind that in the case of SWG's three factions, only two are opposed to each other. If you want to fight in PvP (aside from individually dueling) you have to choose a side. Much of their PvE content is also geared toward one faction or th other.

It's not a true three faction system. Unlike PlanetSide, for instance. Each of those three factions are openly hostile to one another, with three way fights not uncommon.

[wizdom833]

Keep in mind that in the case of SWG's three factions, only two are opposed to each other. If you want to fight in PvP (aside from individually dueling) you have to choose a side. Much of their PvE content is also geared toward one faction or th other.

It's not a true three faction system. Unlike PlanetSide, for instance. Each of those three factions are openly hostile to one another, with three way fights not uncommon.
Actually, I am a privateer and am able to do missions for both Rebels and Empire with any friends that are one or the other. Same on the ground.

I have never played PlanetSide but if you are saying what i am thinking you are saying you have proved my point. You can start a game with 3 Factions and it work.

[Kinjiru]

Actually, I am a privateer and am able to do missions for both Rebels and Empire with any friends that are one or the other. Same on the ground.

I have never played PlanetSide but if you are saying what i am thinking you are saying you have proved my point. You can start a game with 3 Factions and it work.

Right, but my point is that to do said missions with them, you temporarily align yourself with one faction or the other.

When you enter deep space, you make the same choice, you can't go in and attack both. You still have to choose.

Edit: Forgot to say:
As to whether three factions work or not, PlanetSide is pretty dead now, but it did work in the beginning.

I think that the choice to bring in the Romulans and other factions later is just so that Cryptic can concentrate on the two that we are getting at launch.

[TheMasterpiece]

Right, but my point is that to do said missions with them, you temporarily align yourself with one faction or the other.

When you enter deep space, you make the same choice, you can't go in and attack both. You still have to choose.

Edit: Forgot to say:
As to whether three factions work or not, PlanetSide is pretty dead now, but it did work in the beginning.

I think that the choice to bring in the Romulans and other factions later is just so that Cryptic can concentrate on the two that we are getting at launch.



I agree. Starting with 2 factions allows a deep thought out content that we can really hammer down. Starting with only federation and klingons means we get more ships, more crew, deeper options, more missions and just higher quality and quantity in general.

And later, we'll add romulans, cardassians and who knows what else, all in good time, to allow everyone to have deep and entertaining gameplay

[wizdom833]

I figure it is a money thing :P

Actually you are right about Deep Space, I am not into PVP at all, that is for people that spend there life playing the game 12 hours a day everyday of the week. It is very frustrating to watch those kids gloat about being an elder jedi when the reason they are is cause they had the time to do that.............BUT I am not bitter :)

Anyway, back on the subject, lol. I just am hoping they will give you the ability to be one or the other or none. I would be able to have a ship of neither faction but that is probably the part that they will have to do an expansion for :(

[Kinjiru]

Actually you are right about Deep Space, I am not into PVP at all, that is for people that spend there life playing the game 12 hours a day everyday of the week. It is very frustrating to watch those kids gloat about being an elder jedi when the reason they are is cause they had the time to do that.............BUT I am not bitter :)

I think you can lay aside your worries. Jack specifically said that that is exactly what they don't want.

[Brenelael]

I don't know if you're new to the MMO genre but there is a lot that goes into making these games as they have to have 100 times more content than your standard single player game. This is why expansions are the bread and butter of this industry. If they tried to put everything in for the launch of the game it would take about 10 years to make it all work properly. This is why they start with a narrowed scope and build on it after the game is released. Almost all of what you mentioned that won't be in at launch will come later in the form of expansions. This allows the developers to get a game out in a reasonable amount of time so they can add to it later after release. There will be Romulans, Marqius(or something like them) and others eventually but in order to get a working game out in a reasonable amount of time they have to start smaller.

Bren

[curtst]

I figure it is a money thing :P

Actually you are right about Deep Space, I am not into PVP at all, that is for people that spend there life playing the game 12 hours a day everyday of the week.

Well that's just kinda insulting. I am 25 years old, in the US military married with a kid. I don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day of the week or weekend. The most I can say I can get in a night is maybe 2 hours and that would be pushing it, maybe a little longer on the weekends. I can honestly say I can't wait for PvP and I hope they do it well!

So don't go around stereotyping people because if interests.

[wizdom833]

I don't know if you're new to the MMO genre but there is a lot that goes into making these games as they have to have 100 times more content than your standard single player game. This is why expansions are the bread and butter of this industry. If they tried to put everything in for the launch of the game it would take about 10 years to make it all work properly. This is why they start with a narrowed scope and build on it after the game is released. Almost all of what you mentioned that won't be in at launch will come later in the form of expansions. This allows the developers to get a game out in a reasonable amount of time so they can add to it later after release. There will be Romulans, Marqius(or something like them) and others eventually but in order to get a working game out in a reasonable amount of time they have to start smaller.

Bren
If you had read this forum from the beginning this has already been discussed. I do realize to a larger degree what goes into an MMO and do realize that there is a lot to it, but as I said in my discussion of this they already have the framework that they have used on there other MMO's and are just tweaking it, as he said in his interview, so that takes out quite a bit of time that they don't have to worry about. He also said that they will be using a lot of what Perpetual created too.

[wizdom833]

Well that's just kinda insulting. I am 25 years old, in the US military married with a kid. I don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day of the week or weekend. The most I can say I can get in a night is maybe 2 hours and that would be pushing it, maybe a little longer on the weekends. I can honestly say I can't wait for PvP and I hope they do it well!

So don't go around stereotyping people because if interests.
If you got insulted by what I said than that is your deal. I was not trying to insult anyone, that is my experience with PVP'ers that I have dealt with. I also deal with many PVP'ers on SWG that are just like you, many older and big family, and still spend every spare minute on SWG grinding or whatever to get what they need. I don't have that urge or need to do that.

[curtst]

If you got insulted by what I said than that is your deal. I was not trying to insult anyone, that is my experience with PVP'ers that I have dealt with. I also deal with many PVP'ers on SWG that are just like you, many older and big family, and still spend every spare minute on SWG grinding or whatever to get what they need. I don't have that urge or need to do that.

I typed out a huge thing to say to you but I don't want to post a sob story because hey we all have them, and no one cares. I don't play MMOs. Haven't played one that interested me enough to pay 15 bucks a month on. I played a free one for a very short while but the grind fest got old extremely quick, not really into that.

I don't squeeze every minute I can into gaming. If I have time to play then great. If I don't well, my job and family come first, and that is perfectly fine. Gotta do what you gotta do right?

I certainly hope the game doesn't turn into a grind fest like I see in many MMOs. I mean the ones you pay for, just playing the week free trial I am almost grinding or I see people just grinding, so I hope that doesn't happen.

But to get back on topic, with the little information given so far it is difficult to make a decision if I am disappointed or not. But if I were to make a decision based on what I have seen, I am so far happy. So far most of it is what I expected, and stuff I didn't expect to see, but would have loved to, are making its way into the game.

So, if I can get a trial of the game or whatever so I can try it out before I go out and buy it, STO may be the first MMO I pay for.

[wizdom833]

Ok, well I am not understanding why you were insulted then. You are not amongst the genre of players that do spend tons of time in game grinding and getting all the special equipment and weapons that enable them to be the best of the best. If you like the PVP aspect then maybe your limited playing time is why you are liking the idea, lol, I say that with a chuckle cause when you have played PVP'ers and got your butt drilled in the ground in two swipes of there weapon and you are the same lvl as them and actually felt it would take many more swipes you would understand what I am saying.

Hopefully they do it good so that it can be fun going against someone and winning or losing cause you are better or worse strategist and not cause you have spent 10 hours a day longer than the working class person and got the mucho premo device or what-have-you from 8 hours of straight playing :)

[curtst]

Ok, well I am not understanding why you were insulted then. You are not amongst the genre of players that do spend tons of time in game grinding and getting all the special equipment and weapons that enable them to be the best of the best. If you like the PVP aspect then maybe your limited playing time is why you are liking the idea, lol, I say that with a chuckle cause when you have played PVP'ers and got your butt drilled in the ground in two swipes of there weapon and you are the same lvl as them and actually felt it would take many more swipes you would understand what I am saying.

Hopefully they do it good so that it can be fun going against someone and winning or losing cause you are better or worse strategist and not cause you have spent 10 hours a day longer than the working class person and got the mucho premo device or what-have-you from 8 hours of straight playing :)

I have gotten my butt whupped a lot by people who play a lot on that one free MMO I played, so I understand. And their PvP system was unforgiving, they shouldn't have put one in because if you engage in PvP you penalized for it no matter what. But it was fun to help lower ranked players who were being bullied in that game. And I hope I can help other folks out in this game as well time permitting.

I don't know why I used the term insulted for honestly lol.

Personally I think PvP should be only in certain areas and if you wan to engage in PvP outside those areas both parties should agree on it. Like I probably will be flying my little ship around with PvP on all the time, well, at least when I get stronger. That way if I get a distress call from a fairly new player I can go help them.

[wizdom833]

I have gotten my butt whupped a lot by people who play a lot on that one free MMO I played, so I understand. And their PvP system was unforgiving, they shouldn't have put one in because if you engage in PvP you penalized for it no matter what. But it was fun to help lower ranked players who were being bullied in that game. And I hope I can help other folks out in this game as well time permitting.

I don't know why I used the term insulted for honestly lol.

Personally I think PvP should be only in certain areas and if you wan to engage in PvP outside those areas both parties should agree on it. Like I probably will be flying my little ship around with PvP on all the time, well, at least when I get stronger. That way if I get a distress call from a fairly new player I can go help them.
I would like to do that as well. They did say that they are going to be putting PVP in places like the "Neutral Zone" and other designated areas so that aught to make you happy.