Star Trek Online on the PS3?

[Scruffy_K]

With three other MMOs being developed for the PS3 and PC why isn't this one? DC Universe, Free Realms and The Agency are all being going to be on both the PS3 and the PC, and this one should be too. But yet anytime I hear any mention of Star Trek Online on the consoles only the Xbox 360 is mentioned, does Cryptic have some exclusivity deal with Microsoft that I don't know about? There's no reason I can see for why it shouldn't be developed on the PS3. With games like M.A.G. being planned it's obvious the PS3 has the power to handle a massive game like an MMO and I'm betting that the vast majority of hardcore gamers in North America have a soft spot in their heart for Star Trek so there will be a base. If anyone can shed some light on this it'd be great and your thoughts are appreciated too :)

[demonic25]

I can save alot of discussion on this my friend and simple say IT WON'T HAPPEN!...trust me on that :)

[Kaon]

Never say never, but there is almost no chance that this game will be for PS3.

Sorry.

[bobh]

Obviously it is to Cryptic's advantage to get STO out on as many platforms as possible without sacrificing content, playability and in their eyes, dollars.

I'm not smart enough to know how software is ported between pc's/consoles nowadays, but if it's possible to minimize costs without having to maintain 3 or 4 different "core" programs I can't see any reason they wouldn't.

There seems to be a credible concern amongst members here that developing for any console could detract from content and the PC side of the game. I dunno if that is true or not, but I would hope not. I'm not a console fan, but it would certainly be to all's advantage if as many consoles as possible would be included.

It would provide more dollars for Cryptic meaning a larger player base, stability, provide more community for players and would be a win-win for all.

[Rakkis]

it could be as simple as they don't have the blue ray devices, and system kit to design off of. Seeing that it is extremely expesive i don't doubt that's the case at all.

[Kinjiru]

it could be as simple as they don't have the blue ray devices, and system kit to design off of. Seeing that it is extremely expesive i don't doubt that's the case at all.

That really doesn't make sense. A disc doesn't have to be BluRay format to work in a PS3.

It's probably nothing more than a licensing issue. If Cryptic gets a license to develop the game on PS3, then we're good to go.

[STOZone]

The reason most of us predict an Xbox version and not a PS3 version, is because that is what is happening with Cryptic's other game, Champions Online.

Since agreements and development tools are already in place for CO, it is much more likely to see and Xbox version of Star Trek Online.

It is not impossible to see a PS3 version, it is just not very probable.

[Kinjiru]

The reason most of us predict an Xbox version and not a PS3 version, is because that is what is happening with Cryptic's other game, Champions Online.

Since agreements and development tools are already in place for CO, it is much more likely to see and Xbox version of Star Trek Online.

It is not impossible to see a PS3 version, it is just not very probable.

That's what I meant when I was talking about licensing issues. :)

But I'm still hoping it does. If not, I'll have to upgrade my PC.

She canna' take much more o' this Captain!

[Scruffy_K]

Unfortunately I know it's not likely, I was just wondering if there was an actual reason why and not just simply that they don't want to. And I'm with Kinjiru on this one, I use a laptop, not very old but not made for gaming so if it's not on PS3 I doubt I'll be getting it, which is really unfortunate because I remember being really excited about this when I first heard about the idea a few years ago and still am.

[Yavin_Prime]

With three other MMOs being developed for the PS3 and PC why isn't this one? DC Universe, Free Realms and The Agency are all being going to be on both the PS3 and the PC, and this one should be too. But yet anytime I hear any mention of Star Trek Online on the consoles only the Xbox 360 is mentioned, does Cryptic have some exclusivity deal with Microsoft that I don't know about? There's no reason I can see for why it shouldn't be developed on the PS3. With games like M.A.G. being planned it's obvious the PS3 has the power to handle a massive game like an MMO and I'm betting that the vast majority of hardcore gamers in North America have a soft spot in their heart for Star Trek so there will be a base. If anyone can shed some light on this it'd be great and your thoughts are appreciated too :)

I need to point out the three games you mentioned are all made by SOE... sony so that explains why they're coming out on PS3. Now you must realise that PC and Xbox 360's games are both developed on nearly the same platform... windows of some form or another afterall both are dominated if not owned by Microsoft. With that said its easy to port a PC game (like STO) over to Xbox because they have similar components and internal achitecture. PS3 on the other hand is differnt, many companies including Lucas Arts have stated that its hard to port a PC made game over to PS3... not impossible but harder.

I suppose to anser your question as Cryptic has said many times, nothing is holding them back from developing a PS3/Xbox version just polotics. Though I should point out if/when they do decided and get the green light to make a PS3 version of the game it'll probably take a while for them to port it over onto PS3, remember Champions (the engine used to make STO) is already Xbox 360 compatable so its a good bet STO is more likely to go to Xbox before it goes to PS3.

[Scruffy_K]

Ah... ya, you'd think I would've realized that... oh well seemed like a good argument at the time. But still I'm beginning to wonder when the word "harder" became a reason to not do something (I'm not saying developers are lazy, or at least not intentionally). Getting completely off topic, although it is related somewhat (and I'm talking in circles) I hear a lot about how a developer won't do something because it's harder to do well what happened to all this preaching about the more work you put into something the greater the reward? That said I do realize that it's a long shot at best but it's a shame (especially to the PS3 owner like me) that some developers continue to push the PS3 to the side because it's different (which is basically what you're saying there).

[Kirky]

With three other MMOs being developed for the PS3 and PC why isn't this one? DC Universe, Free Realms and The Agency are all being going to be on both the PS3 and the PC, and this one should be too. But yet anytime I hear any mention of Star Trek Online on the consoles only the Xbox 360 is mentioned, does Cryptic have some exclusivity deal with Microsoft that I don't know about? There's no reason I can see for why it shouldn't be developed on the PS3. With games like M.A.G. being planned it's obvious the PS3 has the power to handle a massive game like an MMO and I'm betting that the vast majority of hardcore gamers in North America have a soft spot in their heart for Star Trek so there will be a base. If anyone can shed some light on this it'd be great and your thoughts are appreciated too :)

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but using a similar arguement I could ask why MGS4 isn't out on the 360, it's a simple matter of exclusivity, and/or the extra effort required to develop STO for the PS3 doesn't measure up to the potential bonus. I could be completely wrong, I don't pretend to know much about game development, just my theory on the matter.

[Captain_Smith]

I would love to see STO come out for the PS3 because I don't have a pc, but I doubt it. I'll install windows on my mac.

[OrabIbo]

Ah... ya, you'd think I would've realized that... oh well seemed like a good argument at the time. But still I'm beginning to wonder when the word "harder" became a reason to not do something (I'm not saying developers are lazy, or at least not intentionally). Getting completely off topic, although it is related somewhat (and I'm talking in circles) I hear a lot about how a developer won't do something because it's harder to do well what happened to all this preaching about the more work you put into something the greater the reward? That said I do realize that it's a long shot at best but it's a shame (especially to the PS3 owner like me) that some developers continue to push the PS3 to the side because it's different (which is basically what you're saying there).

I don't think it is a matter being "Lazy". After all they get paid all the same. IT is whether they see it worth the money and time to make it on the PS3 to expand their target audience.

If porting the game is harder on the PS3 it is most definately going to take more time to get it working properly. More time, more testing = More money. If it costs them money to develop than they predict they will get in subscriptions. In a businessmans eyes, that is a bad return of investment. Which is usually a flat no in any business. Business's tend to not like risks that involve money.

MMO game development cycles are driven by money far more than you think. :P

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but using a similar arguement I could ask why MGS4 isn't out on the 360, it's a simple matter of exclusivity, and/or the extra effort required to develop STO for the PS3 doesn't measure up to the potential bonus. I could be completely wrong, I don't pretend to know much about game development, just my theory on the matter.

Well that is more of an liscensing issue than anything else. Sony pays Kojima studiows more money to keep it exclusive to the PS3. The same is done on other games like Fable2.
Odd thing is Sony doesn't have a 1st party development company to make games for their system, like Microsoft and Nintendo do. So they must pay alot of money to get games exclusive on their system. Sony is a huge company though :)

[mezlabor]

I need to point out the three games you mentioned are all made by SOE... sony so that explains why they're coming out on PS3. Now you must realise that PC and Xbox 360's games are both developed on nearly the same platform... windows of some form or another afterall both are dominated if not owned by Microsoft. With that said its easy to port a PC game (like STO) over to Xbox because they have similar components and internal achitecture. PS3 on the other hand is differnt, many companies including Lucas Arts have stated that its hard to port a PC made game over to PS3... not impossible but harder.

I suppose to anser your question as Cryptic has said many times, nothing is holding them back from developing a PS3/Xbox version just polotics. Though I should point out if/when they do decided and get the green light to make a PS3 version of the game it'll probably take a while for them to port it over onto PS3, remember Champions (the engine used to make STO) is already Xbox 360 compatable so its a good bet STO is more likely to go to Xbox before it goes to PS3.
Correction they ARE the same platform the XNA development platform. It really depends on licesning and the ease of porting it to the ps3. I wouldn't count on a ps3 release. If there is one you can bet itsat least a year after the xbox 360.

[Yavin_Prime]

Ah... ya, you'd think I would've realized that... oh well seemed like a good argument at the time. But still I'm beginning to wonder when the word "harder" became a reason to not do something (I'm not saying developers are lazy, or at least not intentionally). Getting completely off topic, although it is related somewhat (and I'm talking in circles) I hear a lot about how a developer won't do something because it's harder to do well what happened to all this preaching about the more work you put into something the greater the reward? That said I do realize that it's a long shot at best but it's a shame (especially to the PS3 owner like me) that some developers continue to push the PS3 to the side because it's different (which is basically what you're saying there).

Well I think its less than it being to "hard" as you mentioned. More its cost vs. reward, I'm not a PS3 owner but I did consider buying one but the sad truth is Xbox 360 owners outnumber PS3 owners, and combine Xbox 360 owners with PC owners and you cover the vast majority of the market. I guess their thought would be that PS3 owners also own a PC, so they can play it on the PC if they arn't willing to buy a Xbox. On the other hand don't fall to defeat just yet, you never know perhaps they will make a PS3 version of the game, the only thing I continue to warn you about with it is that it'll probably be the last version of the game to launch. On the bright side you've got a better chance than Wii owners to play STO on your system :p

[Scruffy_K]

I'll tell you right now why I went with console gaming instead of PC gaming, I refuse to constantly update my system to keep up with the new technology, that's not a problem with the PS3, the only thing I'm considering upgrading is the hard drive because I've run out of room with all my music and videos. Also (I'm not bothering to quote people, you know who I'm talking to), MGS4 wasn't launched on the Xbox 360 for two reasons that I know of, the first is as you said the exclusivity payments, if you will, and the other is that MGS4 used every inch of the 50 gigs the Blu-ray disc had to offer. Kojima actually had to "tone down" his game in order to get it to fit on there so it just couldn't fit on the DVDs of the 360.
My biggest problem with MMO gaming is the monthly payments, I hate that idea, I know that it is the gaming INDUSTRY but I hate having companies try to squeeze every penny out of people another reason why I love the PS3. The PSN is free and Home will be free as well.
And don't even get me started on the Wii... :rolleyes:

[thefrayl]

Ah... ya, you'd think I would've realized that... oh well seemed like a good argument at the time. But still I'm beginning to wonder when the word "harder" became a reason to not do something (I'm not saying developers are lazy, or at least not intentionally). Getting completely off topic, although it is related somewhat (and I'm talking in circles) I hear a lot about how a developer won't do something because it's harder to do well what happened to all this preaching about the more work you put into something the greater the reward? That said I do realize that it's a long shot at best but it's a shame (especially to the PS3 owner like me) that some developers continue to push the PS3 to the side because it's different (which is basically what you're saying there).

Well, the unfortunate truth is that alot of developers are beginning to steer clear of Sony's latest offering, for a few reasons...

A. Sales are quite low, the PS3 is constantly getting a distant 3rd place in sales every month. (Atleast in the US, the world's biggest gaming market these days)

B. With each sale, Sony has been losing ALOT of money. So much money, in fact, that they have even said themselves they doubt they will be able to break even with this generation. Less money means less insentive for developers. It also means a diminishing customer base.

C. As mentioned before, the PS3 has a very high learning curve for developers. It's very unique, and very tough to program for, and really take advantage of the system's capabilities.

It's STILL possible that STO could come to PS3 some day, but I highly doubt it. Especially considering the already mentioned fact that CO will be on PC and Xbox 360. STO uses the same engine. It just makes sense.

[asx]

Well, the unfortunate truth is that alot of developers are beginning to steer clear of Sony's latest offering, for a few reasons...

A. Sales are quite low, the PS3 is constantly getting a distant 3rd place in sales every month. (Atleast in the US, the world's biggest gaming market these days)

B. With each sale, Sony has been losing ALOT of money. So much money, in fact, that they have even said themselves they doubt they will be able to break even with this generation. Less money means less insentive for developers. It also means a diminishing customer base.

C. As mentioned before, the PS3 has a very high learning curve for developers. It's very unique, and very tough to program for, and really take advantage of the system's capabilities.

It's STILL possible that STO could come to PS3 some day, but I highly doubt it. Especially considering the already mentioned fact that CO will be on PC and Xbox 360. STO uses the same engine. It just makes sense.

Well if you wanted to use that line of thought it makes no sense then not to put STO on the Wii :rolleyes:

[thefrayl]

:confused: I dont know how you got that idea? but okay... :confused:

Ah the Wii. While very fun to play with a certain few games, theres just so much crap in the current library. and theres no way it could support an MMO engine. A good sized HD is essential to a decent MMO. Aside from the fact that the Wii is essentially a Gamecube with a new UI/Controller.

[Scruffy_K]

Well, the unfortunate truth is that alot of developers are beginning to steer clear of Sony's latest offering, for a few reasons...

A. Sales are quite low, the PS3 is constantly getting a distant 3rd place in sales every month. (Atleast in the US, the world's biggest gaming market these days)

B. With each sale, Sony has been losing ALOT of money. So much money, in fact, that they have even said themselves they doubt they will be able to break even with this generation. Less money means less insentive for developers. It also means a diminishing customer base.

C. As mentioned before, the PS3 has a very high learning curve for developers. It's very unique, and very tough to program for, and really take advantage of the system's capabilities.

It's STILL possible that STO could come to PS3 some day, but I highly doubt it. Especially considering the already mentioned fact that CO will be on PC and Xbox 360. STO uses the same engine. It just makes sense.

Alright, let's get started here... PS3's sales are low overall compared to the Xbox 360 (thank you one year head start) but every month the PS3 sales increase and they've over taken the 360 (even in the US) in the recent months (and slaughter them everywhere else). And how is Sony's customer base diminishing? it's growing constantly, they have doubled their sales this year as compared to last. Also, Sony is by no means running out of money, Sony is a massive company and has a ton of money. And as far as the North American (ya, Canada's here too) market I don't know if you've been paying attention to economics lately but the US is in trouble, it's time as the peak market in any industry is almost over so don't get used to that thought. Now that's I've probably angered (I don't know what the swearing rules are here so I'm not going to swear) every US citizen that will read this lets continue. There's nothing I can say about Sony having a steep learning curve, I suppose that is a problem for PC developers like Cryptic here but other developers have managed to learn the system and they've done it well it just takes some work. Also as far as the game engine goes I fail to see the relevance I mean the Unreal Engine was first developed for PC and Xbox 360 but yet it still powered the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament III so it's possible for engines to cross over. I'm sure Sony could spend a ton of money to get cryptic to break whatever exclusivity agreement that Microsoft has with them (i.e. Square Enix: Final Fantasy XIII) but I doubt they'll do it.

[thefrayl]

Alright, let's get started here... PS3's sales are low overall compared to the Xbox 360 (thank you one year head start) but every month the PS3 sales increase and they've over taken the 360 (even in the US) in the recent months (and slaughter them everywhere else).

I'm not talking about overall systems sold, that would be an unfair comparison. I'm talking monthly sales figures. The PS3 might have stepped above the 360 a few times, but I'm saying it's CONSISTANTLY in 3rd place.

And how is Sony's customer base diminishing? it's growing constantly, they have doubled their sales this year as compared to last. Also, Sony is by no means running out of money, Sony is a massive company and has a ton of money.

You're right, Sony does have alot of money. They can afford to lose the billions they have lost already on the PS3. They play the same as Microsoft. Sell the consoles at a loss. Make it back with software sales. But unfortunately, there's not a huge amount of software sales for PS3. Theres a few exceptions every once in awhile, when an official Sony game is released (Giants like Gran Turismo & God of War) and when an exclusive is released (MGS4), but overall, sales aren't the best because you can get most of the games available on other platforms that cost less, and usually have more features. I'm not saying Sony is done with, I'm just saying (as they have themselves) that they have, and are continuing to lose a very large amount of money. It just nowhere near as succesful as they thought it would be.

And as far as the North American (ya, Canada's here too) market I don't know if you've been paying attention to economics lately but the US is in trouble, it's time as the peak market in any industry is almost over so don't get used to that thought. Now that's I've probably angered (I don't know what the swearing rules are here so I'm not going to swear) every US citizen that will read this lets continue.

I didn't say NA, did I? I said US, which, despite economic difficulties (trust me, no one is going to argue with you there :p ) is still the #1 gaming market in the world.

There's nothing I can say about Sony having a steep learning curve, I suppose that is a problem for PC developers like Cryptic here but other developers have managed to learn the system and they've done it well it just takes some work. Also as far as the game engine goes I fail to see the relevance I mean the Unreal Engine was first developed for PC and Xbox 360 but yet it still powered the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament III so it's possible for engines to cross over. I'm sure Sony could spend a ton of money to get cryptic to break whatever exclusivity agreement that Microsoft has with them (i.e. Square Enix: Final Fantasy XIII) but I doubt they'll do it.

I was so happy to learn that FFXIII will be released for 360! You have to think, what would possess Square Enix, with such a long standing relationship with Sony, to bring it's most anticipated title to the 360, as well as release 2 other original RPGs this year as 360 exclusives? Money. Market. Common sense. And ofcourse it's possible to port any game to the PS3, it's just a much more difficult task. The PS3 is by far the most powerful console out there. The Cell engine processor is one of the most powerful in the world. But it's also quite different from other game platforms, and hence, different & difficult to learn how to program effectively for it.

I'm not a fanboy, really. God of War 3 might actually make me purchase a PS3. Or maybe I'll just borrow a friend's...

[Yavin_Prime]

My biggest problem with MMO gaming is the monthly payments, I hate that idea, I know that it is the gaming INDUSTRY but I hate having companies try to squeeze every penny out of people another reason why I love the PS3. The PSN is free and Home will be free as well.

Do remember they arn't trying to dqueeze every penny out of you, yes profit is a motive for a monthly fee but remember they have dedicated servers running 24/7 for players, staff which is often there 24 hours just incase a server goes down or some major problem shows up, as well as constantly upgrading the client with patches and free content... so in a way you get what you pay for when you give them your $14.95 per/mo. Do they make a profit out of that? Yes I won't lie its the truth of it, but if a company like Cryptic launches STO and CO and then nothing for five years because they're upgrading and expanding those two games well they've gota put bread on the table somehow hehe. As for PS3... sure the PSN is free but I assure you if the game comes out on PS3 you'll still pay the $14.95 per/mo just like your Xbox 360 and PC counterparts.

[Scruffy_K]

I can't help but think we're off track... wonder why...

Do remember they arn't trying to dqueeze every penny out of you, yes profit is a motive for a monthly fee but remember they have dedicated servers running 24/7 for players, staff which is often there 24 hours just incase a server goes down or some major problem shows up, as well as constantly upgrading the client with patches and free content... so in a way you get what you pay for when you give them your $14.95 per/mo. Do they make a profit out of that? Yes I won't lie its the truth of it, but if a company like Cryptic launches STO and CO and then nothing for five years because they're upgrading and expanding those two games well they've gota put bread on the table somehow hehe. As for PS3... sure the PSN is free but I assure you if the game comes out on PS3 you'll still pay the $14.95 per/mo just like your Xbox 360 and PC counterparts.

Alright so I'm a little harsh towards the companies sometimes (like me flipping out when they released addition customization equipment and sound tracks for Soul Calibur IV just days after it was released instead of including them in the game) and I'm not saying that if STO does somehow miraculously arrive on the PS3 it will be free I'm just saying that the monthly fees have been what has kept me out of WoW or countless other random MMOs. A game that I'm actually interested in (see this one) might get me to dish out the monthly pay for it.

I didn't say NA, did I? I said US, which, despite economic difficulties (trust me, no one is going to argue with you there ) is still the #1 gaming market in the world.

Hey now, don't be hatin' on Canada, we get screwed over almost as much as the Aussies by the two giants (Microsoft and Sony) it's a wonder we don't just go back to our igloos (or whatever the stereotype is :p) and give up on gaming. :mad: Still waiting for the PSN Video Service :mad:

I'm not talking about overall systems sold, that would be an unfair comparison. I'm talking monthly sales figures. The PS3 might have stepped above the 360 a few times, but I'm saying it's CONSISTANTLY in 3rd place.

Well it is the games that drive any systems sales is it not? After you don't by a gaming console because it looks good under your TV (although they do look damn good :p) and all systems experience jumps when big name console exclusives come out, for instance the 360 managed to sell more in Japan for a week when a big name (in Japan, I don't even know the name of the game) 360 exclusive came out. That said pretty much Sony's release schedule for the next year has several big name exclusives launching around every two weeks. (LittleBigPlanet for the win!) So I, as does a large portion of the gaming media, believe the PS3 will fly pass the "injury ridden" Xbox 360 before too long.

I was so happy to learn that FFXIII will be released for 360! You have to think, what would possess Square Enix, with such a long standing relationship with Sony, to bring it's most anticipated title to the 360, as well as release 2 other original RPGs this year as 360 exclusives? Money. Market. Common sense. And ofcourse it's possible to port any game to the PS3, it's just a much more difficult task. The PS3 is by far the most powerful console out there. The Cell engine processor is one of the most powerful in the world. But it's also quite different from other game platforms, and hence, different & difficult to learn how to program effectively for it.

Actually Microsoft and Square are trying to trick you about the 2 other exclusives, at least one of them, is only a timed exclusive and will be released on the PS3 at a later date. And as far as porting games goes Final Fantasy XIII is actually going to be a port of the PS3 version but cut down and edited slightly to be able to deal with the limitations of the DVDs. About the programing for the PS3 I suggest people look at Insomniac Games (yes, I know they're a first party developer) they are at this point the leading developer on the PS3 with the Resistance series (very underrated among none PS3 owners), Ratchet & Clank Future and Uncharted they've really gotten the developing down and just continue to create shear graphical beauty game after game after game and so on and so forth. I don't think I've missed anything except that I'm not actually that excited about God of War III, all I've seen was a pre-rendered teaser trailer and that's not enough to get me all jittery about a game, even if it is a potential system seller.

[thefrayl]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it, and I know I'm not alone here. Their exclusive titles are dropping like flies, there new breakthrough features are only trying to catch up and mimic Microsoft's offering. They're still using a (slightly modified) 10 year old controller design, and they're still using the "Media Player" gimick to push systems, just like PS2. It seems like half of PS owners don't actually play games. They own it to say they own it, and brag about all the cool things it can do.

My general rule of thumb on purchasing a Sony system is to wait a few years, for the good games to start coming in. It's always an expensive wasteland at first. It's nothing I have personal against the company, it's just been from prior experience.

[Scruffy_K]

Yes, like all systems in the beginning the library sucks, the 360 was no exception to this, but the PS3's got a very good library now and it's just getting better. And don't say the Blu-ray format is a gimmick, as people continue to upgrade to HDTVs Blu-ray is going to increase in exponentially. It's already got some directors saying their movies look better on Blu-ray than in theatres, it's extremely high quality. Also I fail to see how they're mimicking Microsoft's offerings, their big breakthrough offers are things like PlayTV (I don't see a 360 with a DVR attached to it) and Home (it's a far stretch to compare that to Microsoft's Mii2s). And finally, there's a good expression to address the controller "if it's not broken, don't fix it" the PlayStation controller is one of, if not the, best controller out there, in my opinion it greatly excedes that of the 360 (I hate that thing).
But everyone's open to their opinion.

[demonic25]

It's just not going to be good buisness to release STO on the ps3.I don't need to exsplain as anyone with common sense could see why.

[thefrayl]

Yes, like all systems in the beginning the library sucks, the 360 was no exception to this, but the PS3's got a very good library now and it's just getting better.

Most consoles have a much more robust library of games after 2 years. You can't deny that the system did very poorly during those first couple of years. And that only deters developers from sticking with the Playstation name. Hence the dropping of exclusive titles left and right. They have a few killer apps now, and it will continue to grow, though.

And don't say the Blu-ray format is a gimmick, as people continue to upgrade to HDTVs Blu-ray is going to increase in exponentially. It's already got some directors saying their movies look better on Blu-ray than in theatres, it's extremely high quality.

It is a gimmick when you think about it. It's exactly the same as when the PS2 came out. Buy a DVD player at a lower cost than all of the other machines out there. I knew so many people that didn't play games, but they got a PS2 and it just sat there in their entertainment center, occasionally used as a DVD player. Now it's the same deal with Blu-Ray. Sure, its probably the medium of the future, but it is ultimately a gimmick to push sales.

Also I fail to see how they're mimicking Microsoft's offerings, their big breakthrough offers are things like PlayTV (I don't see a 360 with a DVR attached to it)

It's called Windows Media Center.

and Home (it's a far stretch to compare that to Microsoft's Mii2s).

I hate the Wii ripoffs theyve chosen as the new avatars on 360. I absolutely agree with that. But Home looks about as dull as things can get on a console, to be honest...

And finally, there's a good expression to address the controller "if it's not broken, don't fix it" the PlayStation controller is one of, if not the, best controller out there, in my opinion it greatly excedes that of the 360 (I hate that thing).
But everyone's open to their opinion.

I think that the PS controllers are good for a few things, RPGs are one of them. But games that require precision analog utilization, I, and many I've talked about it with, find the PS Dual Shock to be very outdated, uncomfortable, and hard to keep a grip on the sticks. And 3's controller is far too light and small for me. Maybe the fact that I'm 6'5" contributes to that complaint.

This thread has gone way off topic. :eek:

[TheMasterpiece]

A typical reason earlier (not sure if this is still true) is that the ps3 was so hard to develop for. Its alot different than the 360 will be, which is somewhat similar to pc. the ps3 on the other hand has a vastly different hardware setup making it much different in terms of development. Perhaps itd take too long and cost too much money for it to be worth doing.

[Scruffy_K]

Alright, I'm finished with the PS3 vs. the Xbox 360 argument because it's completely off topic at this point. But I really don't believe that it would be bad business to release the STO on the PS3. It may cost more to port it over, which is very possible (see: Madden 08, Unreal Tournament III, Rainbow Six Vegas, etc...) because several good quality titles have been successfully ported to the PS3 (I know none of those were MMOs but I don't think that matters). Also, saying it's bad business, the PS3 market may not be the same size as the 360s it's not exactly tiny, saying it's in 3rd place is nice but there are still millions of people buying this system. Also, using the argument that they're not putting it on the PS3 because it doesn't have as big of a market share as the two Microsoft platforms here's a little math for you... PC + Xbox 360 +PS3 > PC + Xbox 360. So baring an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft that I don't know about there's no legitimate reason why STO couldn't be launched on the PS3 and that Cryptic couldn't still make money off it (Especially if they can somehow convince Microsoft and Sony to play nice and allow their servers to be compatible allowing for cross platform play which would be awesome).

[thefrayl]

So baring an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft that I don't know about there's no legitimate reason why STO couldn't be launched on the PS3 and that Cryptic couldn't still make money off it (Especially if they can somehow convince Microsoft and Sony to play nice and allow their servers to be compatible allowing for cross platform play which would be awesome).

It's not PSN or Xbox Live you will be dealing with if you end up playing STO on a console. It's the exact same servers that PC players use, at least thats been the case with other cross platform MMOs. Anything that has a monthly service fee, from a company other than Sony or Microsoft themselves, is on it's own terms. All you need is access to the internet, and atleast in the 360's case, a free Silver account.

[Scruffy_K]

It's not PSN or Xbox Live you will be dealing with if you end up playing STO on a console. It's the exact same servers that PC players use, at least thats been the case with other cross platform MMOs. Anything that has a monthly service fee, from a company other than Sony or Microsoft themselves, is on it's own terms. All you need is access to the internet, and atleast in the 360's case, a free Silver account.

Ah, I see, like I said, not a big MMO-er or anything that uses a private server of sorts so I'm not really familiar with the way MMOs are set up structurally. I would think a standard PSN account would work for anything on the PS3, they don't make you pay for the account so I don't think they'd charge you for using something other than their servers, that said in an age where companies are looking to make as much profit as possible anything can happen so you never know. That said it actually leads me to a question, DC Universe Online, Free Realms and The Agency are all being developed by SOE so will there be a separate server there or will it just be running off the PSN since it is a Sony product? Also does anyone know about having to make monthly payments for those as well?

[thefrayl]

SOE, traditionally, follows the same basic subscription fees as most MMO companies. And being on seperate servers depends on if it will be cross platform with PC, which I'm assuming it will be. I've had awful experiences with just about every game SOE has offered though. They have a bad record of pushing games out the door before they are ready, and ignoring the community.

[Scruffy_K]

SOE, traditionally, follows the same basic subscription fees as most MMO companies. And being on seperate servers depends on if it will be cross platform with PC, which I'm assuming it will be. I've had awful experiences with just about every game SOE has offered though. They have a bad record of pushing games out the door before they are ready, and ignoring the community.

There will be no cross platform play on The Agency at least (I'm not sure about the others) and to be honest I'm not a big fan of these three either (the reason why I'm almost praying for STO to come to the PS3). I think the Agency could be a good game but some of the things they're talking about seem very hard to do and I doubt they'll be able to do them. DC Universe Online I don't like at all, I'm really much more of a Marvel guy (although that actually has nothing to do with it I can't come up with another reason why I don't like this game, I just don't). And finally Free Realms looks like a cross between Degrassi: The Next Generation and WoW.

Playstation sucks sucks sucs sucks.XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX XBOX

Doesn't that count as spam?

[thefrayl]

After looking into it a bit, it appears that all of those games are only slated to appear on PS3. I'm really not sure who would run it, PSN or SOE, but an MMO of that scale definately needs its own special server(s).

DC doesn't look very appealing to me either. Although I am enjoying CoX alot. I avoided it for all these years, and now I love it after trying it out. My confidence in Cryptic has been built up considerably by my experiences so far.

[Unknown-210]

I really hope Star Trek Online comes out on the PS3, I can say that I'm happier with my PS3 then my pc. If you look at the PS3, it as raw power and a growing network. To me, its just good Logic to put it on the PS3, but thier are the licensing and programing things that have to be ironed out. But none the less, if Crypitc puts STO on any thing, their going to make money, a lot of money. Seeing how not evey one has a good pc, or a PS3 or 360, it'll be good to put STO on as many plateforms as possible. (PS3=360=PC...all the same, -_- )

[OrabIbo]

The one thing that SOE has going for it is it's Station Access. Where you can play all their games for $29.99, a tempting offer if you enjoy more than 3 of their MMO's. :P Alas, I enjoyed it much better when it used to be $21.99. Because I can't play 3 MMO's at a time.

But that isn't going to do me much good with STO. Unless SOE swallows this MMO to :P

Regardless, it's expensive to juggle multiple MMO's. So I tend to only do 1 at a time.

I don't own a console but if getting a console was ever cheaper than upgrading my PC. I would do it. But the reality is it isn't. But it's also not for everyone. There is a significant learning curve in understanding, what hardware is necessary to run a game. and deciding between what you need to run and what you want to run. :) Surfing the net, and looking at all the options and hardware specifications is enough to give someone a headache!

So I can see how alot of ppl think that just getting a console is easier. AT times I'm fed up with my PC and would like to play my console just for ease of mind. And play something that "just works". No tinkering required :)

[Yavin_Prime]

Honestly I fail to see the logic in people being against a PS3 version of the game... it only means more profits for Cryptic which means more content for us. I say STO to as many systems as possible (of course with a focus on Windows/PC). So with that said I hope they make an Xbox 360 version & a PS3 version heck even a Mac version because more players = more game.

I will point out I don't want to see any other versions of the game slow down the development and launch of the PC version.

[Scruffy_K]

Well thanks for the answers, even though it's unlikely there really is no reason for STO to not be released on the PS3 so ya, thanks for your answers.

[mactorrin]

Hehe we argue about nothing a lot here

[Dustnite]

Well thanks for the answers, even though it's unlikely there really is no reason for STO to not be released on the PS3 so ya, thanks for your answers.

It's easier to codevelop for PC and Xbox360 since they code in C#...

[STOZone]

It's easier to codevelop for PC and Xbox360 since they code in C#...

So because it's easier to develop for PC and Xbox 360, then those are the platforms they should go for?

Just because something costs less, takes a smaller team, and has a quicker development cycle, doesn't mean it's "easy". It just means you're being lazy.

According to you, all PC and Xbox 360 game developers are lazy.

You're a mean, mean person.

[Dustnite]

So because it's easier to develop for PC and Xbox 360, then those are the platforms they should go for?

Just because something costs less, takes a smaller team, and has a quicker development cycle, doesn't mean it's "easy". It just means you're being lazy.

According to you, all PC and Xbox 360 game developers are lazy.

You're a mean, mean person.

*cries and runs from the room*

[thefrayl]

Hehe we argue about nothing a lot here

Ah yes, forums are the best. Especially for a game that is far from hitting store shelves. Little to nothing is all we have to debate! :cool:

[TheMasterpiece]

So because it's easier to develop for PC and Xbox 360, then those are the platforms they should go for?

Just because something costs less, takes a smaller team, and has a quicker development cycle, doesn't mean it's "easy". It just means you're being lazy.

According to you, all PC and Xbox 360 game developers are lazy.

You're a mean, mean person.




Thats not at all what he said. It helps to read!!!!

Its easier to code for pc and 360 at the same time because theyre similar. its also a known fact 360 is easier to dev than ps3.

[Faith]

With three other MMOs being developed for the PS3 and PC why isn't this one? DC Universe, Free Realms and The Agency are all being going to be on both the PS3 and the PC, and this one should be too. But yet anytime I hear any mention of Star Trek Online on the consoles only the Xbox 360 is mentioned, does Cryptic have some exclusivity deal with Microsoft that I don't know about? There's no reason I can see for why it shouldn't be developed on the PS3. With games like M.A.G. being planned it's obvious the PS3 has the power to handle a massive game like an MMO and I'm betting that the vast majority of hardcore gamers in North America have a soft spot in their heart for Star Trek so there will be a base. If anyone can shed some light on this it'd be great and your thoughts are appreciated too :)

The biggest problem for STO to come out on the PS3 is Sony themselves. All 3 MMO's you listed due out on the PS3, are all developed by Sony. It's likely and probable that Sony doesn't want a competitive MMO by another developer on their system where they won't get 100% of the subscription fees. It would also look bad for them if a game like STO had more PS3 subscriptions then all 3 of their future bug filled, premature released, and under tested games on the same console. There's also the many reasons listed in this thread like being harder to port a game to the PS3 then it is for the Xbox 360.

Bottom line is, STO is unlikely to be on the PS3 because Sony doesn't play well with others and they want to try and corner every market they are in. Anyway, that's my opinion on it. :D

[STOZone]

Thats not at all what he said. It helps to read!!!!

Its easier to code for pc and 360 at the same time because theyre similar. its also a known fact 360 is easier to dev than ps3.

Psst. What I said to Dustnite was a joke.

:D

[thefrayl]

Bottom line is, STO is unlikely to be on the PS3 because Sony doesn't play well with others and they want to try and corner every market they are in. Anyway, that's my opinion on it. :D

That's one thing I really don't like about their behavior in the gaming industry. They have no respect for the competition at all. They act as if they don't exist, really. It's very childish if you ask me.

[Voorhees]

Ok you mentioned that a few mmo's coming out for ps3? then as a marketing point why would cryptic make a game for a system that has already huge number of compeiters? The price of a ps3 is still higher then the 360 so more people is on 360 and that game agency is being made by SOE wich is owned by sony and they would be a fool not to put their game on a sony system.

They want to reach a broad fans and to do that they have to reach numbers and there is more people on the 360 then there is on the ps3. I know i would see an argument here because there is ps3 fans here but look at the price difference and xbox been out longer so of course be real here there will be more xbox players then play station 3.

There is not big mmo coming out but 1 for xbox and thats champs online so the computition will be of their own doing so no matter what they would be making money either they go with champs or STO.

[fatesoasis]

it all comes down to is the money and man power going to be worth it in it's financial return.

[Kinjiru]

Ok you mentioned that a few mmo's coming out for ps3? then as a marketing point why would cryptic make a game for a system that has already huge number of compeiters? The price of a ps3 is still higher then the 360 so more people is on 360 and that game agency is being made by SOE wich is owned by sony and they would be a fool not to put their game on a sony system.

They want to reach a broad fans and to do that they have to reach numbers and there is more people on the 360 then there is on the ps3. I know i would see an argument here because there is ps3 fans here but look at the price difference and xbox been out longer so of course be real here there will be more xbox players then play station 3.

There is not big mmo coming out but 1 for xbox and thats champs online so the computition will be of their own doing so no matter what they would be making money either they go with champs or STO.

So your argument is that because there are more MMOs coming for the PS3 than the Xbox then they should ignore the segment of gamers that own PS3s for an STO release?

What is that, the Chewbaca Defense?

[Voorhees]

No i am saying be realistic with time and money i rather then spend the time and money on making a good game then worrying about being on multiple platforms. If it was up to me it would just be pc only at launch and later look at other options. I am saying at a marketing and money wise ps3 is a waste of time for at least launch.

For a couple reasons. Yes you might be interested in this game coming out for ps3. If you do your research playstation xbox etc... those gamers as a majority is stasticaly is into different types of games then say a majoriy pc players for example rts games is not populer on game systems but very populer on pc.

PS3 is more so with this and the fact there is far more pc players playing on xbox 360 then ps3 anyways. Also there is more people in general on 360 just because of the price and the amount of available games.

So if this company was given a choice due to budgets and time which system to put this game on, the logical one would be the cheapest and most accessable. what i mean by cheapest is for the fans to get a hold of. In this case the xbox is the best choice for this reason.

[richard1993]

Klingon Empire Ships

[Voorhees]

One more thing about this too. Lets say at the convention there is a trek fan that saw the introduction to this game but never played pc games before nor xbox or anything like that. He goes man i would love to get this game just because the fact i can live out my trek fantasies or whatever. Launch day comes and it turns out its out for xbox and pc and ps3. Well pc can run over 1000 dollars playstation 400-500 and xbox 300-400.

This is the only game he wants. Which system do you think he will choose? This is also one of the things cryptic thinks about to remember this is going to attract people that never laid a hand on a mmo before and in some cases non gamers. Star wars galaxies is like this there is some hardcare star wars fans on there that never played any other mmo and is still playing the game despite the rollercoaster ride SOE braught the swg community because the fact its star wars.

I know there is deadicated ps3 fans here and if it was a perfect world this game would of already been launched by the old company we would have our bridge crews player controled we would have all the features we want and it would be out on every system. However this would is not perfect and you have to relize and put yourself in their shows and see why something would work out and why not. I would love for it to be out on ps3 as i got friends that has it and would love to play this game. Maybe someday it will be out for both.

[Kinjiru]

I can see your points, Voorhees, I just don't understand you application of logic. If we were to follow your business model, then no games would be developed for the PS3, since there aren't very many PS3 only releases. At least the games that I'm personally interested in, anyway.

Granted, this game will come out for whatever Cryptic develops it for, and while I do hope for a PS3 release, as I said earlier in the thread, if it is only PC/Xbox, then I'll have to update my PC.

I certainly don't think that dev time spent on codeveloping for PS3/Xbox would take away from the team's time if they've planned for it. That's the key though. If they plan for development on both consoles, then they'll plan to add a team for each, I don't think they would be able to have the same team work on both simultaneously, as it would take separate skill sets. -- At least from what I've heard about developing for Xbox/PC versus PS3. --- And I could be wrong here, but I think the code would be written differently.

Anyway, if it comes out for PS3, then great, if not, then I'll still be there on day one on my PC. :)

[Scruffy_K]

I'd just like to point out that, from what I could find, STO has only been rumored for Xbox 360 and is actually not confirmed for any consoles at all. The logic that one of you guys made about the competition being put up by SOEs three titles is flawed in my opinion, if people didn't develop games that had competition then EA would be the only developers of sports games and the WWII genre would be long dead since two or three of those come out every year. Also, I think there are a ton of PS3 owners that would buy and play the PS3 version of Star Trek Online. Finally, I think the excuse the developers use that the PS3 is hard to develop for is no longer valid, it's been out for two years, you should know how to use it by now.

[thefrayl]

I'd just like to point out that, from what I could find, STO has only been rumored for Xbox 360 and is actually not confirmed for any consoles at all.

It's not rock solid, ofcourse, but check this out: http://www.crypticstudios.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=34

"Powered by the Cryptic Engine, Star Trek® Online will be developed for both console and PC formats. With customizable ships and characters from the Klingon Empire and United Federation of Planets, ground, space and shipboard gameplay and unique options for player-generated content set in the Star Trek universe, Star Trek Online is the MMOG that allows you to boldly go where no one has gone before!"


The logic that one of you guys made about the competition being put up by SOEs three titles is flawed in my opinion, if people didn't develop games that had competition then EA would be the only developers of sports games and the WWII genre would be long dead since two or three of those come out every year.

But this is Sony. And they are talking about Sony developed and operated games. They don't like competition. They like to ignore it, in fact. :D

Also, I think there are a ton of PS3 owners that would buy and play the PS3 version of Star Trek Online. Finally, I think the excuse the developers use that the PS3 is hard to develop for is no longer valid, it's been out for two years, you should know how to use it by now.

Has cryptic made a game for PS3 before? Negative.

[Voorhees]

I am not saying people cannot make games for ps3 and sametime other multiple systems. Forced unleashed is doing it for example and there is no issue with that. MMO's is a different bag of chips tho. Because of the constant updates, server managments, user managements etc... when they do updates, expansions etc.. they have to do it for different systems and each system will have its own bugs as well. i rather then have minimal work so they can concertrate on keeping a good game then worry about multiple compatiablites.

[Scruffy_K]

I am not saying people cannot make games for ps3 and sametime other multiple systems. Forced unleashed is doing it for example and there is no issue with that. MMO's is a different bag of chips tho. Because of the constant updates, server managments, user managements etc... when they do updates, expansions etc.. they have to do it for different systems and each system will have its own bugs as well. i rather then have minimal work so they can concertrate on keeping a good game then worry about multiple compatiablites.

So basically you're worried about them developing the game on other systems because there's a chance that it'll lessen your experience, right?

[Valenthalas]

Well it shouldn't really take anything away by porting it to PS3.. I don't see how that really would even effect the game development as they can always do that as an afterthought.. or towards the end of development, have a team work on the console porting.. since it really shouldn't take all that much.. who knows.. I'm sure if you got it on console, you'd at least be required to use a keyboard in some fashion anyway.

[OrabIbo]

Where's my Wii version! lol
I should be able to use my Nintendo DS as a Tricorder!
and for PS3 owners my PSP as a Tricorder or wireless stat device!

Let's not forget using your Wiimote as a phaser, Bat'leth and what not. ^^

[Scruffy_K]

Where's my Wii version! lol
I should be able to use my Nintendo DS as a Tricorder!
and for PS3 owners my PSP as a Tricorder or wireless stat device!

Let's not forget using your Wiimote as a phaser, Bat'leth and what not. ^^

That's a really cool idea, however I think the massive gameplay difference would require almost a new game in order for it to work. But the handhelds as a tricorder is an awesome idea, even if that was just a joke :p

[thefrayl]

I would like to see a Star Trek game of some kind on the Wii though. If done right it would be alot of fun. That controller is absolute genius. It's just a shame 80% of the games are junk.

[cap.mark]

will it be on the 360...?

[Scruffy_K]

will it be on the 360...?

It's not yet confirmed but they say there's nothing stopping it. They have the ability to put it on consoles, and they may be doing it already, they just haven't announced anything yet. At least not that I'm aware of.

[Kinjiru]

It's not yet confirmed but they say there's nothing stopping it. They have the ability to put it on consoles, and they may be doing it already, they just haven't announced anything yet. At least not that I'm aware of.

Only thing announced is that they are developing for a dual console/PC release. We just don't know which one(s).

[Saladin_Class]

Consoles forced MMO to be cheapened, and emersion sacraficed.

We dont build state of the art PCs to play quick thrill games.

[Trekkie]

I don't really have too much of an opinion or whether or not the game should be released on consoles or not, but if the game is playable on the PlayStation 3 it would definitely help to make the game more accessible to a wider audience who may eventually decide to play the game on a computer, which can only be a good thing.

[Scruffy_K]

Consoles forced MMO to be cheapened, and emersion sacraficed.

We dont build state of the art PCs to play quick thrill games.

We have entered the next generation of gaming consoles, as I've said many times, the PS3 and Xbox 360 have the power to keep up with the PCs in a game play manor and I really don't think that they're going to "cheapen" any of the gameplay. They're a HUGE step up from the previous generation. Although if this game ends up being a load of **** and is released on the consoles I have a feeling they're going to be used as a scapegoat.

[djbabydyke69]

What I'm worried about is there will be a repeat of so many pc/xbox (bioshock, fallout3) games that take forever to convert to ps3that people get impatient *like me* and invest money in either purchasing an xbox 360/upgrading my pc or even just purchase a xbox360 wifi connector and the game and just taking over my gfs little cusins xbox lol, and then later on saying oh ya we are going to make a ps3 version, in expectation of this game I've already bough 4g of ram, a new 320gb hdd and new video card I'm just worried I'm gona have to invest a lot into the mb and processor if I really want to enjoy this game. Last point ps3 w hdmi looks a 1000x better then pc w hdmi or xbox360 w hdmi so even if I had to sacrafice visual quality on ps3 for them to put it on I say do it, its kinda funny they havnt officaly said yes to it on ps3 when if u go on ps3home many people wear trek uniforms that came out w the movie launch

I'm definatly a ps3 fan who will go to any lengths to be able to captain my ship as long as they do this game justice, I better get to meet other trekys out there in space and be able to communicate w them or I know ill be ubberly frustrated

=/\= live long n prosper (hopefully on ps3) =/\=

[TFO_KillSwitch]

bottom line. just like the pc and mac argument
360 has the markit. so they will make the game for what conicel hase the markit i. i know wii has it over both but this is not a motions controller game. like all companys makikng mony is first
so that sed the 360 hase a chance to sell alot more copys then the ps3

[thefrayl]

Last point ps3 w hdmi looks a 1000x better then pc w hdmi or xbox360 w hdmi so even if I had to sacrafice visual quality on ps3 for them to put it on I say do it...

Now this is original... :p

[ktagloh2]

since the game is not on ps3 i might not be able to play the game as my pc is slow on new games so cryptics decision cost them a player

[Captain_McCarrell]

Bloody annoying is what it is......

.....they could clearly make a shed load more money by putting that little bit of effort in and developing a PS3 version you know saying as it's the most popular choice of console, but no....that would require effort so we can only buy it for xbox, well i hope all those xboxers out there have fun playing star trek online whilst we mere PS3 mortals miss out again....oh...no....wait whats that mr xboxer? a red ring of death you say? xbox is broken again for the 3rd time you say? have to send it back to the manufacturers again you say? surely you dont think....no....you can't.......sorry? ......microsoft are crap?......made of poo and sold as gold you say? well sir thats just blasphemy!!!!

Make it for us normal ppl who actually own a decent console for once. we're trekkies too you know and we were all excited and now we want to cry

[OddjobXL]

I'd be pretty surprised if this actually does come out for the Xbox360. That market isn't going to go for the same kind of content PC gamers like. There will be culture clash. And PC gamers will end up wandering off. Then short attention-span console gamers will move on to the next flavor of the month. The end. The PS3 is the same story only with a smaller potential market.