Any guesses why the Federation and Klingon Empire are now at war?

[Everitt_Cage]

ok so i dont have any exact quotes, but if youve watched the vegas webcast and been reading the articles about STO you've heard ole Jacky boy say that "friends have become enemies", or something to that effect regarding the different races in the timeframe that STO takes place. we also know that upon launch, the only two playable factions will be Federation and Klingon, which implies pretty heavily that these two factions will be enemies. lastly, a picture is worth a thousand words, so here are three thousand words:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp3.jpg

all that said, any guesses why the Federation and Klingon Empire are now enemies?

[renef78]

There was a good post here I read, yesterday, where someone posted possible reasons why that would be the case. Namely that the Klingon Empire, flush after the victory over the Dominion, had gone into another expansionist phase. First expanding away from the Federation, deeper into the Beta Quadrant, but as time went on, conquest of Federation space looked more and more enticing. Of course, that's just me half-remembering another fans theory.

But the broad strokes are pretty much this: They're Klingons. They don't embrace other cultures. They conquer them.

[Bazil]

Something weakened the federation and the klingons took advantage, or there was some sort of disagreement over how something should be handled and the klingons could no longer accept the starfleet way of doing things.

[Necro]

do the Klingons really need a reason to go to war with someone?

[ArchBuck]

I don't know if they are exactly "at war" but they definitely do not have the great relationship they did at the end of the Dominion Wars.

[keozen]

One sunny day on Riza the Klingon High Chancellor was sitting back on the beach with an Ice Lolly (Strawberry flavour, in the shape of "Timmy the Targ").

He was having such a lovely time when all of a sudden the lolly was swiped out of his hand.

It hit the ground at force and rolled over and over in the sand. Picking it up quickly "Timmy"'s head fell to the floor, snapping off just below his smiling jaw.

Looking around to see who had done this he sees a human running away, wearing a tight standard issue Starfleet speedo.

"Right." he said out loud to no one in particular.

"They're for it!"


And that's pretty much how it happened.

[Trevic]

The Klingons are a highly combustable species, a single family could gain enough power to greatly disturb the way things have been.

[No1UKnow]

When Riker became Admiral of Star Fleet he retaliated against Worf for stealing his woman Troi back in the day when they served aboard NCC-1701D together.

[ParkerHayden]

They're not really in open war. More of a cold war. Anyway, I'm thinking new emperor or some other internal problem.

When Riker became Admiral of Star Fleet he retaliated against Worf for stealing his woman Troi back in the day when they served aboard NCC-1701D together.
That was an alternate future.

[ssra]

There was a good post here I read, yesterday, where someone posted possible reasons why that would be the case. Namely that the Klingon Empire, flush after the victory over the Dominion, had gone into another expansionist phase. First expanding away from the Federation, deeper into the Beta Quadrant, but as time went on, conquest of Federation space looked more and more enticing. Of course, that's just me half-remembering another fans theory.

That might be completely wrong because besides the Cardassians, the klingons were the most weakened faction by the Dominion Wars so they did not have the necesary strenght to go against the Federation. Also, Chancelor Martok was a personal friend of Worf considering Worf was the one that put him in that position in the first place and i didn't see Martok as an impulsive character. And we also cannot presume that Martok died in the meantime or even if he did, we cannot presume how Martok died. Both such assumptions might go against future canon.

Also, lets say they did attack the Federation afte the Dominion Wars ended. Than how long would this war have taken place? 30-40 years?

That's unlikely.

[chrisdanger]

The Klingon Empire is one of honor and respecct. With the Federation paring up with the Romulan Empire at the end of Insurrection, The Klingons probably saw this as an insult to their honor and bond. The Dominion War also caused a serious schism in their relations and will lead up to some sort of confrontation.

[Thure]

Fed vs Klingons is a stupid idea...dont know how they came to that idea. First they where no Enemies for a long time...ok in Dominion War they were Enemies for a short time but after they killed the "traitor" the binding was better then before. The Klingons were almost next Members of the Federation and a lot of High Members from the Klingons were Friends to the Feds.

Then the features wont work so well with this to factions...

Fed have different Races on the Ships...Klingons dont have.
Feds have huge ships with lots of Crew Members...Klingons have almost only small Crews...even the largest Klingon ships have only small Crews.
Feds have Research Vessels...Klingons dont have any Research Vessels, they take what they need.
Feds have lots of diffrent "classes"...Klingons only have the Warrior Part....the Rest ist second priority and doesnt give any Honor. Or could someone imagine a Klingon Archaeologist or a Researcher...nah not really.

PS: Sorry for my bad english...not my mother tongue

[Typheron]

Tribbles did it, think about it and you know it makes sence.

The human love of tribbles and there re-introduction at DS9 has seen them once again spread across the Federation. The klingons must irradicate the infestation once more, except the Federation are in the way, especially the UFP-RSPCA.

Result - War.

Its the Second Great Tribble hunt!

[renef78]

That might be completely wrong because besides the Cardassians, the klingons were the most weakened faction by the Dominion Wars so they did not have the necesary strenght to go against the Federation. Also, Chancelor Martok was a personal friend of Worf considering Worf was the one that put him in that position in the first place and i didn't see Martok as an impulsive character. And we also cannot presume that Martok died in the meantime or even if he did, we cannot presume how Martok died. Both such assumptions might go against future canon.

Also, lets say they did attack the Federation afte the Dominion Wars ended. Than how long would this war have taken place? 30-40 years?

That's unlikely.

Who said anything about a war? Just that the conquest of the Federation was something that was becoming appealing to more and more Klingons. That doesn't mean there was a war. It just means that Klingons as a whole are becoming more and more open to the idea, and the Klingon government in general is becoming more hostile to the Federation, all of which results in the occasional border skirmish flaring up and a state of cold war between the two powers.

As for their condition after the Dominon War, they've had 30 years to rebuild. Given that they're one of the two starting factions in Star Trek Online, it appears that they've rebuilt sufficiently that they're a threat to the Federation, again.

[Thomas45]

Fed vs Klingons is a stupid idea...dont know how they came to that idea. First they where no Enemies for a long time...ok in Dominion War they were Enemies for a short time but after they killed the "traitor" the binding was better then before. The Klingons were almost next Members of the Federation and a lot of High Members from the Klingons were Friends to the Feds.

Then the features wont work so well with this to factions...

Fed have different Races on the Ships...Klingons dont have.
Feds have huge ships with lots of Crew Members...Klingons have almost only small Crews...even the largest Klingon ships have only small Crews.
Feds have Research Vessels...Klingons dont have any Research Vessels, they take what they need.
Feds have lots of diffrent "classes"...Klingons only have the Warrior Part....the Rest ist second priority and doesnt give any Honor. Or could someone imagine a Klingon Archaeologist or a Researcher...nah not really.

PS: Sorry for my bad english...not my mother tongue

The Klingons had been enemies of the Federation for at least 150 years before there was a fragile peace, even then, the Klingons broke the treaty a few times just so they could attack someone so i think that the Klingons might have wanted to attack the Romulans but due to the Peace Talks that might have happened after Nemesis the Federation would have tried to stop the Klingons then causing the Klingons to attack them.




BTW, i think the Banner at the top of the page is more to mislead us than help us.

[BradD3401]

maybe just like sports atheletes contracts run out they demand for more money so maybe their peace pact expired LOL

[evilbert79]

I heard it was all about a case of blood wine gone bad...

[lootra]

except the Federation are in the way, especially the UFP-RSPCA.

only a british person would get this joke, so ill explain it: RSPCA is an animal rescue group, well, more like a corporation, to put it simply: it rescues animals then gives them to people

[Everitt_Cage]

They're not really in open war. More of a cold war. Anyway, I'm thinking new emperor or some other internal problem.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp1.jpg

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[AbaddonIX]

A lone klingon warlord woke up one day with a bad hair day and on the wrong side of the bead and he was convinced the humans had something to do with it.

[IanD967]

myself i think it would have to be something to do with Worf

[KidBang]

do the Klingons really need a reason to go to war with someone?

How true! It's a miracle there was peace this long.

[ibby1kanobi]

The Klingons are weird. The other poster was correct. Families rule the Empire, if a certain family with cold relationships with the Feds gained power, a chilling of friendship is not unlikely. However, the way Cryptic is making it sound is that they are at each others throats and barely containing themselves.

"Certain friends have become enemies"

That says it all. However, so shortly after the Dominion war, I don't think it makes sense to become that unfriendly (to put it nicely, they are afterall, boarding and destroying Federation vessels). However, the Klingons really don't need a reason to ever war with anyone. They hold their honor very dearly; a smite to their honor might send them to battle, one batte turns into two, and wala, full blown war.

I really don't like that storyline, but meh, I can live with it.

But! How will it change when the Dominion and Romulans are introduced? Do certain enemies become friends again? We'll see. Cryptic better get this right.

[starbuck1771]

ok so i dont have any exact quotes, but if youve watched the vegas webcast and been reading the articles about STO you've heard ole Jacky boy say that "friends have become enemies", or something to that effect regarding the different races in the timeframe that STO takes place. we also know that upon launch, the only two playable factions will be Federation and Klingon, which implies pretty heavily that these two factions will be enemies. lastly, a picture is worth a thousand words, so here are three thousand words:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp3.jpg

all that said, any guesses why the Federation and Klingon Empire are now enemies?


Because a member of the Federation ate my Fruity Peebles!

[Kahul_Bane]

In the web cast, I have to watch again to get the exact wording, he stated that the teaty was gone, either expiered or what have you, and there were resorce issues in the Klingon empire, so everything was unstable again.

[Trekkie]

There are certainly some interesting ideas presented in this thread, and I cannot wait for Cryptic Studios to start revealing some of the storyline of Star Trek Online so that we can find out for sure why the two affiliations are in conflict.

[Drake1444]

The differences in ideology perhaps. Federation=democracy and the Klingons=conquest. Sooner or later there was bound to be a big fight over it. Look at the history. There were periods when the war seemed like the only possible conclusion and it was by a stroke of luck that things managed to get resolved.

Think of the Yesterday's Enterprise episode for example.

[ParkerHayden]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/Everitt_Cage/fvkp1.jpg

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I meant story-wise. The Alliance and Horde in WoW aren't in open war, and yet it's chaos

Gameplay and story in MMOs don't usually go hand-in-hand..

[Roka]

The war is all about Twinkies......Those damn humans wont share. lol

[JemarqueMarquis]

from the what was said it doesn't seem like open war, but very conflictual if in neutral territory or disputed space.

[The_Padre]

Transwarp Hubs. With such technology the races of the Alpha and Beta quadrants have the opportunity to expand their territory, even into other quadrants. This would be in violation of the Jankata Accord which states: "no species shall enter another Quadrant for the purpose of territorial expansion." My guess would be that there is a smash and grab mentality going on, who can obtain the most unexplored space first.

[njdss4]

Whatever the reason, I don't think I'll like it. DS9 ended with Martok as the Klingon Chancellor and Worf as Federation Ambassador to Kronos. That should have ensured an even stronger peace between the Klingons and the Federation than ever before. Even if Cryptic has chosen the Romulans instead of the Klingons it would have made more sense.

This is one issue that I don't see myself liking about the game, but I'm never going to say it will stop me from playing it. Cryptic just better do a dam good job explaining it.

[Aethelstan]

My guess would be that there is a smash and grab mentality going on, who can obtain the most unexplored space first.

I actually had a similar guess to that/one presented in a different thread, except more along the lines of:

Dominion War is over, so the Federation has returned more towards its orginal goal (peaceful exploration). Since they've got no one to fight in the Alpha quadrant/their known part of the Beta Quadrant the Klingons are going out beyond their borders into unexplored space too, and something goes horribly wrong.

Maybe some cocky Klingon fleet attacks or even conquers a few worlds (possibly even without the approval of the High Council) and the Federation hears of it, protests etc, the Klingon's not wishing to be seen as weak or Starfleet's lapdogs stand up for their side and it all goes downhill, to the point where neither of the governments really wants war, so its not going to happen, but both sides are undeniably hostile, with a return to the border raids and skirmishes of Kirk's day.

I'm sure whatever Cryptic have come up with would be far better but thats what I thought it could turn out to be atleast after reading the info.

[Myopic_Aardvark]

Peace could have reigned for 25 years before a 2nd cousin's sister's roommate decided that they were a member of the Duras family and took over the Empire. Martok might be a long distance memory (Klingon Chancellors not generally having a long life span).

The hostility between the Federation might only have risen recently. It also wouldn't surprise me if there were still friendly Klingons around, but the Empire has declared that they must fight the Federation.

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