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Arix
08-11-2008, 06:53 PM
I do have a few 'questions' or issues I suppose.

1. Race Customisation:

Now being a creative person myself, I can understand the appeal of creating races. But as a Trekkie, I don't want to see a bunch of bizarre, ridiculous looking aliens everywhere I turn.

And as Mr Emmert himself said on GameSpy "What we can do is take aliens, like the Bolians and the Gorn, and give them a society, give them a background, give them more storyline," he said. "Characters that have been in the background or rarely engaged are going to be a bigger part of the world, and a more present part of what's happening." And I agree, I think it'd be great to encourage people to play as less 'typical' races, like Human or Vulcan, and instead to develop characters such as the Bolians, Gorn, Andorians, Tellarites, Orions, Caitans, and even more established races like the Trill (my favourite race), Bajorans, Cardassians and Ferengi.

So I propose to Cryptic, what about a compromise between the two? After all, Mr Emmert also mentioned that players could create some of the unseen races. But, what happens if, for example, I create the 'Tarellians' (no idea whether they've been seen or not, I merely picked a race name off the top of my head) and I make them... bright orange, three arms, no hair. And yet someone else ALSO makes 'Tarellians' who are green with purple polka dots, have lizard tails and ridged foreheads.

What if instead, people could create races and then submit them to be 'judged'. Then the races which seem to fit into the Trek Universe, and those which didn't double up, etc, could be included as a selectable race. BUT, as well as this, all races should have a great deal of customisation for each individual - but this should fit within the race's features, i.e. maybe you can choose from a number of different shades of blue for an Andorian, or different antenna sizes/types. Or make a dark skinned Vulcan, or a Trill with pale spots.

2. Bridge Crew:

I just want to say, that if you can't figure out some way to let players be a Bridge Crew together, then I think this is the best compromise you could have come up with. I was a bit skeptical, but after reading Mr Emmert's interview with GameSpy I'm happy you're at least trying to figure out a way to make it work.

I do think a way to give each character (as in, each player) a more 'individual' feel is, as mentioned in the Vegas Webcast, to give each character a 'specialty'. So even though we're all technically Captains, and we have a bridge crew, if we got together with other Captains and formed a Fleet, then we'd have something unique to bring to the table. So finding some way to bring in other 'specialties' would be a good way to go I think, but I do like the idea of a Bridge Crew, and even better if you make them customisable. (By specialities I mean say, Engineering, Scientific (from Exobiologists to Warp Theorists), Diplomatic, Security, etc)

3. Klingons vs Federation:

This news is both very upsetting, and not upsetting at the same time for me. While I can understand why it'd not only make for a better game, with PvP and such, and that it'd be plausible within the Trek Universe, it does sadden me that the implication is that the Klingons and Federation aren't on friendly terms anymore. While I can understand how the Romulans or Dominion might be trying to fight the Federation again, the Klingons had become some pretty strong allies by the end of the Dominion War. And I realise its been 30-40 years since that war ended... but still, I hope they're not constantly fighting at least? Maybe you could at least let them unite against some common foe occasionally.

Also, a question, how will playing as different races within the Klingon Empire work exactly? As far as we know, there are only Klingons there really. I'm curious as to how that'll work.

4. The past 30 years...

I literally did a fangirl squeal when I heard that you were going to post up the past 30 years' history, and then again when I heard you were reading the novels and considering them as part of the backstory.

And I just wanted to say, Mr Emmert wanted to know what books to read?

Yeah, all I have to say is... DS9 Relaunch! Those books are brilliant, and as well as being a great read, I think the storyline is more than worthy of being included in the backstory of STO. (They go from Avatar up until the latest, [which I'm yet to read, sadly] Fearful Symmetry.) Also, the Titan books, are very brilliant.

I don't have a high opinion of the direction the TNG relaunch has taken, but it might be interesting to see where the Destiny trilogy goes. And Voyager relaunch, small as it is, is probably a good place to look too. Maybe tying in B'Elanna and Tom's daughter could be some good backstory, or even reason for the hostilities between the Klingons and the Federation?

Maybe getting together with Pocket and some of the writers there, and asking about the direction the books might go, or how best to incorporate them into the backstory of STO would be a worthwhile thing to do.

5. Good work so far.

(Really, this does deserves a point all on its own.) While I might have a few 'issues', after hearing the webcast, and learning about how much you're trying to stay true to the idea and 'lore' of Trek, and even going so far as to read the novels (I'm a big reader, and my dad and I own well over 200 of the books, so it thrilled me that they're being considered).

So good on you guys. I'm really excited you've picked this up, and the direction you're heading seems wonderful. I'm sure my dad, brother and I will be picking up a copy of this game whenever its released, cause I have a feeling its only going to get better from here. Can't wait to hear more.

arosenau
08-11-2008, 06:59 PM
Very well thought out and laid out post. You make some very good points, I'm curious to see how things develop.

Trekkie
08-11-2008, 07:15 PM
I also think that you have made some very valid points, but I think that in general the community should wait just a little while longer until more information is revealed to start developing really strong opinions about different aspects of the game.

Cyjack
08-11-2008, 07:15 PM
I do have a few 'questions' or issues I suppose.

1. Race Customisation:

Now being a creative person myself, I can understand the appeal of creating races. But as a Trekkie, I don't want to see a bunch of bizarre, ridiculous looking aliens everywhere I turn.





Welcome to the boards! I have no issue with any of your opinions, they are as valid as anyone else's, but I would single this one out as being a bit contradictory.

As a "trekkie" you would know that the Federation is all about the inclusion of new life, is made up of what...thousands?...of species, and the among the first few words in any episode are about the "seeking out of new life. Part of being a Trek fan IS seeing bizarre ridiculous aliens everywhere you turn .

Ktar
08-11-2008, 07:23 PM
I agree.. great post...

I felt the same about the race customization thing. Although in a way its awesome because I love customizing my own stuff in games, its kinda weird because EVERYONE can have their own race. This makes sense to an extent because there would be an unlimited amount of possibilities for races throughout the universe. But what if there are 10 never before seen races in one room? Does that make sense? Where did they come from and how did they join the federation?

I also agree having an all player bridge crew would be nice. I think being able to work your controls would give a more personal feel to the game. Although I think this should be an option, the fact tat it is not the main form of game play is probably good because I think it would be hard to have everyone online at the same time.

I also completely agree with the Klingon thing. It makes sense but its sad that after so many years of peace they are now at war. Plus Im sad cus I wanted to have a "Worf character" on my bridge.

HighwayMan
08-11-2008, 07:25 PM
I actually doubt I’ll make any “unique” races while playing. I have no problem with other players making weird aliens, but at least for me I’m looking forward to the core races for my crew. I’m actually thinking I’ll have more then one Andorian since I have always liked them.

Some pretty good ideas there in your post there over all.

Arix
08-11-2008, 10:52 PM
I know what you mean Cyjack, and I agree with you to an extent, and thats why I still like the idea of creating customisable races. But I'm just thinking of it like, I don't know whether you've heard of, or are a fan of Spore, but now that the creature creator has been released there are millions of creatures - and many of them are based on a certain type of creature, which means there can be many different creatures which are the 'same creature'. So of course I'd love to see new races and species, even some strange, ridiculous looking ones, I just don't want to see millions and millions of creatures (especially 'double-ups' and such) when the Federation is only supposed to have hundreds (maybe thousands at most).


And also, as Ktar said, 'But what if there are 10 never before seen races in one room? Does that make sense? Where did they come from and how did they join the federation?' - I totally get what he/she means by this, as much as I love seeking out new life and new civilisations, I don't want to have a crew thats made up entirely of species that were never even mentioned on the show. IF they want to let everyone create hundreds/thousands/millions of new races, then I hope at least they find a way to ensure that they're all diverse and unique culturally. The thing about Trek races is that they're all unique and have cultural quirks and such, the Klingons are a warrior culture, Ferengi are obsessed with profit, Bajorans are religious and were occupied for 50 years by the Cardassians. These sorts of things are what I'd like to see developed in races little seen like the Bolians, Andorians, Orions, etc - and if they tried to refine the 'selection' of customised races, then I'd hope that they'd also try to develop these further as well.

I really just meant that I'd rather not see a bunch of similar, wacky looking aliens with no culture or background - especially when there are so many 'old' races which haven't been fully established in the Trek universe.