Trailer looks a bit.. staged.

[Kral]

That didn't look like 'real gameplay' to me. 'Real gameplay' would have UI, and is unlikely to have cinematic cameras. Was that just an in-engine video of a scripted sequence?

[Sabr3]

It was real gamplay.

[Kral]

It was real gamplay.

So then how were they controlling it? There are no controls shown.

[Ryoku]

It was real game play from an independent camera.

Plus they wouldn't have wanted to show a HUD because that will likely change from now until the release.

EDIT: To clarify a bit more... They played the game while recording all the events that were transpiring. They then went into the recording and moved the camera. This recording is not a video recording like pointing a video camera would be. This recording (called a Demo Record in City of Heroes) records EVERYTHING that happens while it's recorded.

I would recommend you investigate the Demo Record information from City of Heroes, whose child engine is powering STO.

[Mattastic]

I have no doubt that they patiently set up some of the sequences there especially for the trailer. They didn't just hit record and play for an hour, and cut out all the dull bits. But it's 100% in game footage. And you'd be surprised how easy it can be to just move the camera angle to something nice and cinematic in these things. As for no UI ... these are the developers. I think they know how to disable it for video.

[Ifandbut]

Most games let you remove the hud for screenshots and movies. That is most likely exactly what they did and the hud will be makeing many many changes between now and even closed beta, let alone release.

[Sabr3]

So then how were they controlling it? There are no controls shown.

Maybe it was spectator mode also you are able to hide the UI in many games ie WoW

[Varrangian]

Sometimes pre-alpha games have no UI. Or pre-Alpha games turn off their UI for screenshots or vids.

Why? because UI isn't usually finalized until very late in development. This is why when people get screenshots with UI it is usually a big deal and will be announced.

It was far too many sequences to be scripted, it was well edited, but that is not all that hard to do. Since we know you're ship view is "outside the ship" that makes it more likely to look "cinematic", probably the reason they have chosen it.

I believe that is game-footage, undoctored aside from editing, it didn't look THAT good. It looked good, but when you removed editing from the equation its just short clips of various things in game.

[Brex2]

Yeah, even when i'm filming for my matchmania shots, i remove the hud of the game somehow

[Kral]

It was real game play from an independent camera.

Then that's not 'real gameplay', is it? We won't be seeing the game like that when we're playing for real. That's heavily edited reality.

[superzero]

The ships seemed to be shot by an observer (not actually piloting a ship) getting good angles while the ground combat was shot by the player.

[Varrangian]

Then that's not 'real gameplay', is it? We won't be seeing the game like that when we're playing for real. That's heavily edited reality.

First off I'm sure it is not an "independent" camera whatever that was supposed to mean. It was video captured footage.

What about the trailer do you think is so impressive that they faked it?

The fact that there is no UI is simply because they don't want you to see it. It is not ready.

[Saberj]

I'm pretty sure that City of Heroes had a somewhat hidden ability to record and save gameplay. Instead of saving it as a video, it saved it as data, so that you could then go in and set the cameras and such. It is gameplay, it just allows a more cinematic experience. All they said was that it wasn't pre-rendered CGI movies. It was the game actually being played. That remains true.

[Valikdu]

It's supposed to be staged! It's a trailer, for crying out loud.
Though the ground combat part looked much like the real thing.

[Cyjack]

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n440/echosreturn/Facepalm.jpg

[Kral]

What about the trailer do you think is so impressive that they faked it?

Cinematic camera use in the space battle portion. That almost always points to staged 'gameplay', as you couldn't actually play with a cinematic camera on all the time like that - it'd drive you insane as it'd keep yanking your view away from what you're trying to command your ship to do and you'd get owned.

For an example of how much this changes reality, you could make most RTS games look like epic MMOs by using cinematic cameras and heavily editing the result, but you never actually are seeing that when you play, so is it really gameplay being shown then?

Does machinima count as gameplay? I don't think so.

[Varrangian]

Cinematic camera use in the space battle portion. That almost always points to staged 'gameplay', as you couldn't actually play with a cinematic camera on all the time like that - it'd drive you insane as it'd keep yanking your view away from what you're trying to command your ship to do and you'd get owned.

For an example of how much this changes reality, you could make most RTS games look like epic MMOs by using cinematic cameras and heavily editing the result, but you never actually are seeing that when you play, so is it really gameplay being shown then?

Does machinima count as gameplay? I don't think so.

:rolleyes: Fine I give up it is all an elaborate hoax. They like Perpetual Entertainment have no game and are just staging a last ditch effort to get your money Kral. Come on out guys he figured us out, we might as well give up.

[Qrion]

Of course it is staged to a certain point. They didnt just happen to catch a space battle that was going on with the massive population already playing the game :rolleyes:.

[Kral]

:rolleyes: Fine I give up it is all an elaborate hoax. They like Perpetual Entertainment have no game and are just staging a last ditch effort to get your money Kral. Come on out guys he figured us out, we might as well give up.

What I'm saying is it's wrong to call heavily edited cinematic sequences "gameplay". When you present machinima and call it "gameplay" that's just not being honest.

[Varrangian]

What I'm saying is it's wrong to call heavily edited cinematic sequences "gameplay". When you present machinima and call it "gameplay" that's just not being honest.

What they are saying is that this is not some CGI movie produced out of no where, kind of like the WoW trailers that were photo-realistic. This is made from game play. The camera angles may vary, but the "look" of the game will be as good as what you are seeing.

If you are attacking a Borg cube you are not going to be getting worried about how much of the battle you can see on your screen so that later you can show someone the scope of battle. If you fly by a star base you are not going to care if you swoop the camera around to get every angle of your ship, but you are playing the game in all of those cases you are not trying to show a game off.

[lompocus]

That didn't look like 'real gameplay' to me. 'Real gameplay' would have UI, and is unlikely to have cinematic cameras. Was that just an in-engine video of a scripted sequence?


I'm tired of idiots thinking 'in-engine' means 'pre-rendered' and not gameplay.

More than likely its a scripted sequence of borg cubes charging a DS base somewhere in the galaxy and the defending npc's and players happen to be there. OF COURSE you're not going to play the whole game with your ship from a camera angle totally out of alignment with your ship.

Of course its 'staged'. They have as many players available as on the dev team. What are they gonna do?

[Kral]

IOf course its 'staged'. They have as many players available as on the dev team. What are they gonna do?

Diablo 3. That was real gameplay footage. No cinematic cameras, no heavy editing, no hiding the UI, and a real human player. WoW's first gameplay footage 3 years before release was the same way. If they didn't have a hard time presenting real gameplay footage, why should Cryptic? When I hear people pitching gameplay footage, that's what I expect to see, not machinima.

[Zap-Robo]

[QR]

As several have said, this is probably using a system like /demorecord in City of Heroes (which Cryptic also made). In fact I reckon that it is exactly the same as Jack said "this is a demo recording" in the webcast.

As to the lack of UI, thats what the demorecord does - have a look at the below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IB-vJoHpdU

That was a video I made using the /demorecord function in City of Villains - the gang of people running in the the fight were me and other players.

[Irish-Fury]

Posts like this really make me wish there were a thread filter, so we could filter away all the trolling posts. :mad:

[TheMasterpiece]

So then how were they controlling it? There are no controls shown.



Its honestly not that hard to show gameplay with the HUD not shown.


And remember, its a TRAILER...it shows HIGHLIGHTS so Of course its going to look staged, who would wanna look at a trailer of guys just standin around doing nothing?

This trailer was meant to show off some stuff and it worked well :D

[Varrangian]

And remember, its a TRAILER...it shows HIGHLIGHTS so Of course its going to look staged, who would wanna look at a trailer of guys just standin around doing nothing?

Ah but standing around with some toilet, now we have some game play! :p