Movie issues

[sandalle]

Please read the entire thread before posting, it will save all of us some time and wear on our digits. Thank you.

Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running). So I tried both MPlayer and XINE on the WMV and MOV in Linux, with the similar issues on the WMV. The MOV...the video played fine, but the audio was about 10s ahead of the video. I tried the same on a relatively new computer (Intel Core Duo 2GHz). Both machines have plenty of RAM (2Gb+) and fair to really good video cards (both play Lord of the Rings Online just fine). XINE even complains (at the end of the video) that the WMV is a broken file.

That's two different computers, two different operating systems, with three different media players (not three each), with similarly unwatchable results.

Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):
This trailer is created with 100 percent in-engine gameplay footage. What you see is what you'll play!

[bigsalgo911]

Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running). So I tried both MPlayer and XINE on the WMV and MOV in Linux, with the similar issues on the WMV. The MOV...the video played fine, but the audio was about 10s ahead of the video. I tried the same on a relatively new computer (Intel Core Duo 2GHz). Both machines have plenty of RAM (2Gb+) and fair to really good video cards (both play Lord of the Rings Online just fine). XINE even complains (at the end of the video) that the WMV is a broken file.

That's two different computers, two different operating systems, with three different media players (not three each), with similarly unwatchable results.

Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):

Works fine. Get a better computer imo.

[Varrangian]

Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running). So I tried both MPlayer and XINE on the WMV and MOV in Linux, with the similar issues on the WMV. The MOV...the video played fine, but the audio was about 10s ahead of the video. I tried the same on a relatively new computer (Intel Core Duo 2GHz). Both machines have plenty of RAM (2Gb+) and fair to really good video cards (both play Lord of the Rings Online just fine). XINE even complains (at the end of the video) that the WMV is a broken file.

That's two different computers, two different operating systems, with three different media players (not three each), with similarly unwatchable results.

Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):

Did you try to watch it streaming or did you download it? I down loaded it and I have no problems. I don't know what you mean by "jumpy" Its very smooth on mine and I'm running windows vista the notoriously bad OS ;)

[sandalle]

Works fine. Get a better computer imo.

As I stated, one computer is considered "fast", while the other may not, but both can play games which require quite a bit more processing power than a movie file (both can play DVDs, which required decrypting a video stream along with rendering it, unlike these). I am also able to watch other videos (some even HD) just fine on both of these machines, only the 1280x720 videos from here cause problems.

[bigsalgo911]

As I stated, one computer is considered "fast", while the other may not, but both can play games which require quite a bit more processing power than a movie file (both can play DVDs, which required decrypting a video stream along with rendering it, unlike these). I am also able to watch other videos (some even HD) just fine on both of these machines, only the 1280x720 videos from here cause problems.

Get a better computer imo

[Volomon]

Wow if your having trouble running a movie I thnk bigs might be right. I mean if your comparing a computer to being fast by demonstrating that it can play a DVD I'm not sure if we can rely on your definition of "fast".

Are you downloading these or steaming them?

[Kinjiru]

Works fine in Quicktime. I never use Windows Media to play anything. I haven't tried the other apps, but I can say with experience that Quicktime Pro works. :)

[sandalle]

Did you try to watch it streaming or did you download it? I down loaded it and I have no problems. I don't know what you mean by "jumpy" Its very smooth on mine and I'm running windows vista the notoriously bad OS ;)

Not the streaming, I downloaded the WMV and MOV versions of the video. In case it matters, I can play the webcast (http://startrekonline.com/node/75) just fine on both boxes in both operating systems.

By jumpy, I mean it'll be going along normally, then all of a sudden the video will stop, or the audio will stop, while the other continues, then it'll jump to another frame/segment further along, or in one case, the video will seem to be playing normally, but the audio will be 10s in the future. For Windows, I just have the standard codecs that come with it, no 3rd party codecs installed. For Linux, I'm using XINE and MPlayer to try and play it, both of which are capable of playing other videos (including HD and DVD) without issue, even when the CPU is already "in use" (e.g. by Lord of the Rings playing via WINE in another window, or the computer compiling a bunch of updates). To me, this shows it is not the computer, nor the software, but rather how the videos (at least the 1280x720 ones, since the others play fine) were encoded. As mentioned earlier, XINE mentions that one of the videos is broken (I didn't look into the details of how it said it's broken, I'm not a videophile and don't care).

In summary:

Other, higher resolution and larger (several gigs, for some) videos play fine
Other, higher resolution (and larger) videos play fine while the computer is otherwise busy (see above)
At least one of the files is reported as broken by at least one of the media players
This happens in multiple media players
This happens on multiple operating systems
This happens on multiple computers

[sandalle]

Get a better computer imo

Please read the post before replying and quit being a troll.

[TheDart]

Not the streaming, I downloaded the WMV and MOV versions of the video. In case it matters, I can play the webcast (http://startrekonline.com/node/75) just fine on both boxes in both operating systems.

By jumpy, I mean it'll be going along normally, then all of a sudden the video will stop, or the audio will stop, while the other continues, then it'll jump to another frame/segment further along, or in one case, the video will seem to be playing normally, but the audio will be 10s in the future. For Windows, I just have the standard codecs that come with it, no 3rd party codecs installed. For Linux, I'm using XINE and MPlayer to try and play it, both of which are capable of playing other videos (including HD and DVD) without issue, even when the CPU is already "in use" (e.g. by Lord of the Rings playing via WINE in another window, or the computer compiling a bunch of updates). To me, this shows it is not the computer, nor the software, but rather how the videos (at least the 1280x720 ones, since the others play fine) were encoded. As mentioned earlier, XINE mentions that one of the videos is broken (I didn't look into the details of how it said it's broken, I'm not a videophile and don't care).

In summary:

Other, higher resolution and larger (several gigs, for some) videos play fine
Other, higher resolution (and larger) videos play fine while the computer is otherwise busy (see above)
At least one of the files is reported as broken by at least one of the media players
This happens in multiple media players
This happens on multiple operating systems
This happens on multiple computers


I've had the same problem with game trailers over the last few months.

My games themselves all play fine and my machine isn't a piece of junk, but I must be missing a magic codec or something, because the videos I download always have this same irritating video stutter. :confused:

[bigsalgo911]

Please read the post before replying and quit being a troll.

lol ok. Well I read your post above the one I just quoted. Sounds like you're not getting the entire file. I had a similar problem and it ended up being connection related. I recommend resetting all of your IE settings on whatever computer you're using and try redownloading the file and WATCH it to make sure it doesn't download like 80% and then jump to finished. I had that problem and had to clear my temp internet files to get the whole thing. Do all of your computers share the same internet connection?

[sandalle]

Wow if your having trouble running a movie I thnk bigs might be right. I mean if your comparing a computer to being fast by demonstrating that it can play a DVD I'm not sure if we can rely on your definition of "fast".

Are you downloading these or steaming them?

Please carefully read my post, I did not say it was fast because it could play DVDs, but that it was fast and could play DVDs, which require more processing than a simple MOV or WMV file. This machine was purchased as a new model within the last year, if a year-old machine is considered too old to play video files, then someone needs figure out how computers from five years ago were able to play video files.

I downloaded the movies, I hate streaming them. ;)

[sandalle]

Works fine in Quicktime. I never use Windows Media to play anything. I haven't tried the other apps, but I can say with experience that Quicktime Pro works. :)

I hate Windows Media Player as well, but this machine is used mostly for gaming. ;) That's why I tried my other media players, which have worked for all other videos I've tried (including recent ones such as the HD Starcraft II and the normal Diablo III videos).

I have not tried QuickTime nor QuickTime Pro, nor will I since I got the smaller videos to play and wasn't too impressed, but thanks for the information. :)

[sandalle]

I've had the same problem with game trailers over the last few months.

My games themselves all play fine and my machine isn't a piece of junk, but I must be missing a magic codec or something, because the videos I download always have this same irritating video stutter. :confused:

It might be a missing codec on my end, except that the smaller versions (same format/codec AFAIK) play fine. Recent game trailers (e.g. the HD version for Starcraft II and the Diablo III videos) all played fine, even streaming (which I try not to do).

[bigsalgo911]

It might be a missing codec on my end, except that the smaller versions (same format/codec AFAIK) play fine. Recent game trailers (e.g. the HD version for Starcraft II and the Diablo III videos) all played fine, even streaming (which I try not to do).

u catch my post above????

[sandalle]

lol ok. Well I read your post above the one I just quoted. Sounds like you're not getting the entire file. I had a similar problem and it ended up being connection related. I recommend resetting all of your IE settings on whatever computer you're using and try redownloading the file and WATCH it to make sure it doesn't download like 80% and then jump to finished. I had that problem and had to clear my temp internet files to get the whole thing. Do all of your computers share the same internet connection?

Ahh, thanks, I hadn't even thought of that. :) I'm downloading them again and will try after making sure they finish (I'll even compare the checksums with my old copies, just to see if I missed them not finishing last time).

Well, I've re-downloaded the files, no such luck. Here are the checksums:

$ md5sum {,old/}STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov {,old/}STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv
90bde186e4718a28fe58e08de6bda231 STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov
90bde186e4718a28fe58e08de6bda231 old/STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov
7eac239f57c27e1c974ceac64e6faf36 STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv
7eac239f57c27e1c974ceac64e6faf36 old/STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv


The files I tried earlier and the fully downloaded new files are the same. :( Good idea, though!

During the video, my CPU usage reaches 40%, at most, so this is not a CPU issue, my memory usage is at 20%, so that's not it either.

I found this information from MPlayer, and using the -ni switch helped, but the video was still jumpy:
Too many video packets in the buffer: (236 in 8397310 bytes).
Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed?
For AVI files, try to force non-interleaved mode with the -ni option.


Then I saw this:

Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available.
Enable it at compilation.
Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available.
Enable it at compilation.
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[wmv3 @ 0xf3f3a0]Extra data: 8 bits left, value: 0
Selected video codec: [ffwmv3] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ WMV3/WMV9)


So, at least in Linux, I do not have the latest and greatest codec, but why would it still be failing with Windows Media Player in Windows? WMP does not ask me to grab a codec and does not complain about anything.

Thanks everyone for their help, this isn't a huge issue as I've seen the 640x360 versions just fine, and since others can watch them, there must be something about my computers (in all their media players, OS', and hardware specs ;)) that is causing them to not play (perhaps I have the right codec type, but too old of a version; I only have what came with Windows Media Player 9 on Windows XP Professional).

[bigsalgo911]

Ahh, thanks, I hadn't even thought of that. :) I'm downloading them again and will try after making sure they finish (I'll even compare the checksums with my old copies, just to see if I missed them not finishing last time).

Yeah that ****ed me off the first time I didn't watch the download and then I'm like "oh it's done!" and the movie wouldn't play. AHHHHH!! LMK if that was it.

[sandalle]

u catch my post above????

Yup, had a lot of replies I was replying to and was doing that in order. Just replied to yours above, will try re-downloading, thanks! I'll update the post with whether re-downloading fixed it or not.

[Ravain]

Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):

NO PROBLEMS ON ANYTHING.

[Lendosan]

Looks to me like you need to update your Codecs.

[Acelan]

Mine played just fine, Firefox 3 here.

[sandalle]

Looks to me like you need to update your Codecs.

That's my, and others', guess as well, though I don't care enough to go do that anymore. ;)

[minago]

It might be a missing codec on my end, except that the smaller versions (same format/codec AFAIK) play fine. Recent game trailers (e.g. the HD version for Starcraft II and the Diablo III videos) all played fine, even streaming (which I try not to do).

are ya using vista because there is a issue with windows media player when ading a new codec they revert back to the factory ones

if so heres a test this program is a media player that has its own codec try it a see if ya notice a difference link here (http://www.majorgeeks.com/Media_Player_Classic_for_Windows_2000XP_d5782.html )

and one which system is the prob happening linux or? its 6.50 ami usually kinda dense at thie point and time

[Cormoran]

About all i could suggest is update your codecs and try VLC media player. I've had problems with videos stuttering and pausing up but VLC seems to work fine when other players do this. It even bypasses all those annoying copyright warnings at the start of dvd's and starts them right at the menu.

[minago]

About all i could suggest is update your codecs and try VLC media player. I've had problems with videos stuttering and pausing up but VLC seems to work fine when other players do this. It even bypasses all those annoying copyright warnings at the start of dvd's and starts them right at the menu.

forgot about that one its a good one too :D good call

[mendal]

Check your processor load cause mine was loaded and was a little stuttery. Yeh a faster processor or stoping other unnecessary apps should reslove such an issue.

[sandalle]

About all i could suggest is update your codecs and try VLC media player. I've had problems with videos stuttering and pausing up but VLC seems to work fine when other players do this. It even bypasses all those annoying copyright warnings at the start of dvd's and starts them right at the menu.

Don't have VLC installed, but I'll try it. Usually plays less movies than MPlayer or XINE (for some reason it cannot seem to find the codecs I installed which MPlayer and XINE find without problems), but that was years ago, perhaps it's improved. ;)

[sandalle]

Check your processor load cause mine was loaded and was a little stuttery. Yeh a faster processor or stoping other unnecessary apps should reslove such an issue.

As stated earlier:

During the video, my CPU usage reaches 40%, at most, so this is not a CPU issue, my memory usage is at 20%, so that's not it either.

[minago]

so um do ya run vista?

and did ya try media player lite? or the v one?

another possibilty ya just got a bad downlod of the file

[sandalle]

are ya using vista because there is a issue with windows media player when ading a new codec they revert back to the factory ones

if so heres a test this program is a media player that has its own codec try it a see if ya notice a difference link here (http://www.majorgeeks.com/Media_Player_Classic_for_Windows_2000XP_d5782.html )

and one which system is the prob happening linux or? its 6.50 ami usually kinda dense at thie point and time

See:

Thanks everyone for their help, this isn't a huge issue as I've seen the 640x360 versions just fine, and since others can watch them, there must be something about my computers (in all their media players, OS', and hardware specs ;)) that is causing them to not play (perhaps I have the right codec type, but too old of a version; I only have what came with Windows Media Player 9 on Windows XP Professional).

It might be a codec, and thanks for the hint and link, but I won't be installing any 3rd party codecs on my Windows machines (they are solely for video games, everything else I do in Linux ;)).

[minago]

See:
It might be a codec, and thanks for the hint and link, but I won't be installing any 3rd party codecs on my Windows machines (they are solely for video games, everything else I do in Linux ;)).

um its not a codec its media player lite "blink"

[sandalle]

so um do ya run vista?

and did ya try media player lite? or the v one?

another possibilty ya just got a bad downlod of the file

Please see:


$ md5sum {,old/}STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov {,old/}STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv
90bde186e4718a28fe58e08de6bda231 STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov
90bde186e4718a28fe58e08de6bda231 old/STO_Trailer_1280x720.mov
7eac239f57c27e1c974ceac64e6faf36 STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv
7eac239f57c27e1c974ceac64e6faf36 old/STO_Trailer_1280x720.wmv


Thanks everyone for their help, this isn't a huge issue as I've seen the 640x360 versions just fine, and since others can watch them, there must be something about my computers (in all their media players, OS', and hardware specs ;)) that is causing them to not play (perhaps I have the right codec type, but too old of a version; I only have what came with Windows Media Player 9 on Windows XP Professional).

[sandalle]

Mine played just fine, Firefox 3 here.

The browser does not matter as I did not stream them, just downloaded and played in a stand-alone media player.

[sandalle]

um its not a codec its media player lite "blink"

The codec comment was regards to your comment about my codecs maybe being out of date and media player (in Vista, which I'm not running) reverting to factory ones.

[minago]

i seen ya post mov and wmv file but um ?

that doesnt help meh :)

[sandalle]

i seen ya post mov and wmv file but um ?

that doesnt help meh :)

Help you to do...what? Please read the entire thread, that might enlighten you and answer your questions. ;)

[JerryC]

I dont know what to tell you. It works fine on the 5 PC's running windos in my house and it runs fine on both my inux box and the wifes iMac. *shrug*


Whats hardware do you have in your machines and what OS is running on them?





Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running). So I tried both MPlayer and XINE on the WMV and MOV in Linux, with the similar issues on the WMV. The MOV...the video played fine, but the audio was about 10s ahead of the video. I tried the same on a relatively new computer (Intel Core Duo 2GHz). Both machines have plenty of RAM (2Gb+) and fair to really good video cards (both play Lord of the Rings Online just fine). XINE even complains (at the end of the video) that the WMV is a broken file.

That's two different computers, two different operating systems, with three different media players (not three each), with similarly unwatchable results.

Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):

[minago]

The codec comment was regards to your comment about my codecs maybe being out of date and media player (in Vista, which I'm not running) reverting to factory ones.

omgoodness lets try from the begin where getting twisted lol

ok so your not running vista i got that check thinking hold a sec

[sandalle]

I dont know what to tell you. It works fine on the 5 PC's running windos in my house and it runs fine on both my inux box and the wifes iMac. *shrug*

Whats hardware do you have in your machines and what OS is running on them?

I have shown it's not the hardware, it's not the OS, and it's not the media player throughout this thread. The problem, most likely and as others have pointed out, is outdated codecs. I have not, nor will I, be trying newer ones. Your, and most of the others', machines probably have newer codecs, which is why they seem to work.

Info showing it's most likely the codecs:

Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available.
Enable it at compilation.
Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available.
Enable it at compilation.
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[wmv3 @ 0xf3f3a0]Extra data: 8 bits left, value: 0
Selected video codec: [ffwmv3] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ WMV3/WMV9)

[minago]

Please read the entire thread before posting, it will save all of us some time and wear on our digits. Thank you.

Anyone else have problems viewing the 1280x720 movies (http://startrekonline.com/trailer)? I first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running). So I tried both MPlayer and XINE on the WMV and MOV in Linux, with the similar issues on the WMV. The MOV...the video played fine, but the audio was about 10s ahead of the video. I tried the same on a relatively new computer (Intel Core Duo 2GHz). Both machines have plenty of RAM (2Gb+) and fair to really good video cards (both play Lord of the Rings Online just fine). XINE even complains (at the end of the video) that the WMV is a broken file.

That's two different computers, two different operating systems, with three different media players (not three each), with similarly unwatchable results.

Makes me fear this quote from the trailer page (http://startrekonline.com/videos):

ok ill try and makes sense of this statement and sorry i did read the thread but its like trying too piece together paper information that was stuck in a shotgun and shot into a field while the wind was blowing

ok so now that i got all the pieces together

you stated
"first tried the WMV in Windows with Windows Media Player, but the video was jumpy and hard to watch (with nothing else running)."

ok now that i know your not usingvista it ...have you tried playing movies in that resolution before ...if the same has happened before it may very well be your graphics card drivers "being played in that resolution" it maybe just that your using media player 9 and it when it was made it wasnt designed to run on that resolution becuase back when the program was made it didnt exist ...theres a version 11 out but that includes all that copy write stuff...which people dont like so they opt for vlc or that media player lite ...that i recommended it a good program it doesnt add codecs and ya dont have to install it ...it runs off the .exe file


unto the linux honestly it just sound like ya need to update ya sound drivers...but im not to famialar with linux they maybe called something else

[JerryC]

Ah, sorry to hear that, tell me again why you aren't updating your systems? I know you probably answered that already, but I am lazy :)



I have shown it's not the hardware, it's not the OS, and it's not the media player throughout this thread. The problem, most likely and as others have pointed out, is outdated codecs. I have not, nor will I, be trying newer ones. Your, and most of the others', machines probably have newer codecs, which is why they seem to work.

Info showing it's most likely the codecs:

[minago]

Ah, sorry to hear that, tell me again why you aren't updating your systems? I know you probably answered that already, but I am lazy :)

yeah i know what ya meen ...while ya waiting check out this thread (http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=8053)

i gave said person explict instructions that i talk on the forums regulary on how to deal with a worm ...then they go around and do the complete opposite i swear ...people....:rolleyes: