Captain Kirk vs. The Batman

[Cyjack]

In space. Kirk has Wrath of Khan era enterprise in pristine condition. The god*mn Batman has the "Bat Cruiser" or some suitably themed ship.

Batman has his "one rule". Kirk has the Prime Directive, which , let's face it, was always more of a "suggestion" to Kirk, than a hard and fast rule.

Discuss.

[IanD967]

Batman would kick Kirks ass hands down! :D while Kirk is giving one of his speechs Batman would of got abord somehow, crawled through all the Jefferey tubes to the bridge then gets into position to surprise him just as Kirk finishes :D

[Cyjack]

Batman would kick Kirks ass hands down! :D while Kirk is giving one of his speechs Batman would of got abord somehow, crawled through all the Jefferey tubes to the bridge then gets into position to surprise him just as Kirk finishes :D

Speechmaking is more of a Picard Flaw. Sure, Kirk gave some speeches, but they were usually AFTER he had just kicked someones's ass (instead of in lieu of, like Picard), violated the prime directive, or made it with a green alien women.

Also, I feel you are sidestepping the premise. "Getting on board somehow" is not a compelling argument. This is a ship vs ship encounter.

Also, Im not even sure Batman could take Kirk hand to hand...Kirk can best Killer Croc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM) in personal combat, AND horny vulcans. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U)

[IanD967]

yeah but you know how Batman is, he can get into high-security goverment zones with ease nevermind a starship haha

plus i dont think Batman has a spacecraft though, he mainly likes to keep to earth

[Cyjack]

plus i dont think Batman has a spacecraft though, he mainly likes to keep to earth

Im pretty sure the Batman could cough up a bat shaped spaceship if he had to. JLA Batman definitely could.

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

I´m sure Kirk would win.

Reasons:

1.) Enterprise´s weapons outrange all weapons of Batman and his vehicles
2.) Enterprise is faster- so Batman couldn´t get in range
3.) If Batman gets on the Enterprise, he has to fight ~400 combat trained an well armed crewman
4.) Batman can´t use Jeffrie´s Tubes because in his suit, he´s to fat xD
5.) Batman can´t use the turbolifts, because Spock would teach the Computer to recognize an torture him :D

[Cyjack]

I´m sure Kirk would win.

Reasons:


3.) If Batman gets on the Enterprise, he has to fight ~400 combat trained an well armed crewman
:D

Ok, but continuing in my role as Devil's advocate here, are you actually saying that a bunch of disposable Redshirts are somehow more formidable than trained ninjas?

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

Ninjas vs Phasers *gg*?

[Cyjack]

Ninjas vs Phasers *gg*?

The average Trek Redshirt has a life expectancy of 5 minutes max in any episode, and literally can't use a phasor to save their lives. I believe a squad of ninjas could make short work of them with the element of surprise, and the God*mn Batman can make short work of a squad of highly trained ninjas. I mean, I don't know if he's "Kirk-tough", but Redshirts should pose no problem for him.

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

The average Trek Redshirt has a life expectancy of 5 minutes max in any episode, and literally can't use a phasor to save their lives. I believe a squad of ninjas could make short work of them with the element of surprise, and the God*mn Batman can make short work of a squad of highly trained ninjas. I mean, I don't know if he's "Kirk-tough", but Redshirts should pose no problem for him.

Except Scotty´s Redshirts in the Engineering- they just open a airlock on the ninjas section and bye bye ;)

[IanD967]

yeah but before they could even reach it they would have a batarang in their head and tied up with his buddies :p

heck Batman has literally taken on armies on won :D ok granted they were undead but some were aliens :p

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

yeah but before they could even reach it they would have a batarang in their head and tied up with his buddies :p

heck Batman has literally taken on armies on won :D ok granted they were undead but some were aliens :p

They just push the "Open"- Button on their console in Engineering - they haven´t to go there and open it :)
And the only thing, which is undead is Batman in the 23th Century ^^

[Cyjack]

Except Scotty´s Redshirts in the Engineering- they just open a airlock on the ninjas section and bye bye ;)

This presupposes the Redshirts see the ninjas coming, which would sort of be contrary to the whole ninja "experience". No, once the ninjas are engaged with the Redshirts, the airlock is not an option, and I see the ninjas having precisely the same amount of trouble disposing of the Reds as anything else in the galaxy does...which is to say...not much.

Batman would go through them like a knife through butter.


To even get onto the ship, though, Batman would have to outwit Teh Spock. No easy feat.

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

This presupposes the Redshirts see the ninjas coming, which would sort of be contrary to the whole ninja "experience". No, once the ninjas are engaged with the Redshirts, the airlock is not an option, and I see the ninjas having precisely the same amount of trouble disposing of the Reds as anything else in the galaxy does...which is to say...not much.

Batman would go through them like a knife through butter.


To even get onto the ship, though, Batman would have to outwit Teh Spock. No easy feat.


Jap, Spock is evil^^

The Redshirts haven´t to see the Ninjas, just ask the Computer- good LCARS wasn´t very much developed, but it should work nevertheless.

[IanD967]

batman, and modern ninjas for that matter aswell, would just put some sort of EMP device on a computer to sap all of the power from them and thus knocking them out

plus Batman is always one-step ahead of EVERYONE :p heck not even the futuristic version of Batman (Terry) can out-wit the original (Bruce) :)

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

batman, and modern ninjas for that matter aswell, would just put some sort of EMP device on a computer to sap all of the power from them and thus knocking them out

plus Batman is always one-step ahead of EVERYONE :p heck not even the futuristic version of Batman (Terry) can out-wit the original (Bruce) :)


*gg* EMP is useless against a M/ARA warplasma injectionsystem- no normal electricity- love Trek phisyx ^^

[Vauhs]

Kirk hands down.

<--fan

[relitner]

In space. Kirk has Wrath of Khan era enterprise in pristine condition. The god*mn Batman has the "Bat Cruiser" or some suitably themed ship.

Batman has his "one rule". Kirk has the Prime Directive, which , let's face it, was always more of a "suggestion" to Kirk, than a hard and fast rule.

Discuss.

Seriously? :rolleyes:

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

Seriously? :rolleyes:

Yup, we´re actually in the middle of an seriously, well- argumented discussion :D

[IanD967]

*gg* EMP is useless against a M/ARA warplasma injectionsystem- no normal electricity- love Trek phisyx ^^

how do you know? :p have you seen Batman's gadgets at work? in real life? nevermind the startrek timeline :p

could be very well possible haha

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

how do you know? :p have you seen Batman's gadgets at work? in real life? nevermind the startrek timeline :p

could be very well possible haha


Not really possible ^^ - because if EMP would work, i wonder why Romulans and Klingons fly with expensive Disruptors and Torpedos instead of cheap and small sized EMP- Device (think of that on the hovercrafts in the matrix triology)

[Cyjack]

I think the point is, that ninjas arent really Ninjas unless they are equipped to be able to infiltrate their intended target. Far future space ninjas would have the tools to foil conventional sensors, or they wouldn't get much work as ninjas. And once the Ninjas are in, they could make short work of your standard Redshirt. And Batman chews through ninjas.


If the Batman intended to try and infiltrate the Enterprise, it can be assumed he would have some sort of plan as how to effectively do it. Which is good, because I think in a ship vs ship encounter, Kirk owns the Batman. Kirk is the most formidable tactical strategist of all the Trek captains, as well as completely ruthless...which is why he's awesome. Give him a gas cloud to work with, and forget it.


The Batman would have to find someway to infiltrate the ship, which, given the history of the franchise, is not impossible to do, even with much more advanced security tech in the future Trek iterations.

[LunaticFringer]

Of course this entire post will need to be redone after the new movie comes out. Then the question will be which Batman versus which Kirk? :D

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

And which Kirk vs Batman if ST XI comes out. ^^

[boz75]

Are we talking one on one or some form of ship contest?

Either way:
Kirk uses phaser - Batman vaporises.
Enterprise uses torpedo, Batman's ship explodes from the first one.

Sorry, but this is a bizarre thread lol!

[yardbird]

Lol, you are correct: In space, in an action between starships, Batman goes to the big sleep - which is easy, since he is very out-classed and out-experienced; and ninjas don't necessarily make for a good crew.

If Batman infiltrates, certainly not impossible for Kirk's Enterprise, then he may have a chance. Red shirts = token defense. But Kirk's luck-factor never seems to run out, though.

Advantage: James T.

[Cyjack]

Are we talking one on one or some form of ship contest?

Either way:
Kirk uses phaser - Batman vaporises.
Enterprise uses torpedo, Batman's ship explodes from the first one.

Sorry, but this is a bizarre thread lol!

The premise was established in the OP. Its Ship vs Ship, at least intially. Assume Batman's ship to be roughly equivalent in capability.

Also, I don't see any reason to assume hand phasers to be any more effective at hitting The Batman than automatic weapons fire.

[IanD967]

you Kirk lovers know nothing of teh gadgets Batman has!! even when you think you have the upper hand out-pops this really awesome gadget that reverses it!

besides with batman he would probably infiltrate it while his ship is remote controlled from his wrist and Batmans agility and strengh in CQC is legendary so kirk wouldent win :p

[yardbird]

you Kirk lovers know nothing of teh gadgets Batman has!! even when you think you have the upper hand out-pops this really awesome gadget that reverses it!

besides with batman he would probably infiltrate it while his ship is remote controlled from his wrist and Batmans agility and strengh in CQC is legendary so kirk wouldent win :p

I don't downplay Batman. But too many people exagerate his invincibility.
Kirk & crew have taken down bigger maniacs than the Dark Knight.

[IanD967]

yeah but often they have always been taken out in the Process aswell ;) wheras Batman always comes out on top....except in fights of moral and of the minds against the Joker heh

i would actually say Picard was more of a strategist than Kirk because of his background

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

Spock and Bones will catch Batman and examine him, because they think, he´s a independent lifeform^^.

Spock: "We came in peace"

McCoy "I prefer him before he was dead"

Kirk: Fire

*Bones shot Batman with a hypospray in his little... uhm wings*

Chekov: "The story of Batman was written by a russian author"

Uhura: "I don´t know what I´m going to do now, but you´ll going in a cabinet"

Sulu: "Warp 7!!!"

*Kirk points at the cabinet and take a look to Scotty*

Kirk: "How long it´ll take to fix this thing?"

Scotty: "Oh, it is in pretty bad shape- two days..."

Kirk: "Scotty, you have two ours!"

Scotty: "I´ll will finish it in one."


Result: A in a cabinet sleeping Batman *gg*

[chirokitsune]

You have to consider a size of the ship that The Batman will need to take on the Enterprise. Unless he's in a shuttle craft sized vehicle, he's going to need a crew at the very least and enough of us know The Batman tends to work alone so this could be a disadvantage.

First line of defense from keeping The Batman out of the ship is the shields which prevent transporters and shuttle craft from getting close and second in order to bring those shields down he would have to either convince them to drop them and with Kirk that might be a little difficult or blast them off which would mean a ship to ship battle and in order to transport himself to the ship, he would have to drop his own shields which would expose him to attacks. So that would rule out boarding actions by The Batman otherwise.

If push comes to shove though and Batman does board, Kirk can be rather sneaky about things like having everyone transport off the ship and then board Batman's ship then set the Enterprise to self destruct while The Batman is busy trying to find Kirk. It's an option for Kirk and he has pulled that stunt before.

[Cyjack]

If push comes to shove though and Batman does board, Kirk can be rather sneaky about things like having everyone transport off the ship and then board Batman's ship then set the Enterprise to self destruct while The Batman is busy trying to find Kirk. It's an option for Kirk and he has pulled that stunt before.

I'm going to give the Batman the benefit of the doubt and say he's a little smarter than your average Klingon, and would notice that everyone has beamed off the ship, and put two and two together.

[Chalen]

Kirk would inform Batman that in that time Bats are extinct and then Batman would call him a liar and they would reenact the Kirk v Gorn fight then after the would decide to go back in time and bring some Bats into the future to satisfy both parties but then Batman would realize that he does'nt really like Bats, in fact hes kind of scared of them so they would scuffle again and due to the unfortunate fact Batman cant turn his neck a whole lot Kirk would have the advantage circling him. Kirk could also pull his cape. Or just phaser him.

[starshipcaptain]

where did this idea come from

[No1UKnow]

This is Star Trek. As far as I'm concerned, Batman doesn't exist except in stories written in the 20th and 21st centuries.