So, Star Trek: A Good Show?

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I just wanted to be first ;-)

[Valcutio]

Too bad you're second.

Ooohhhh... sick burn. ;)

[AaronH]

Okay, I know this is going to sound strange coming from a Star Trek fan, but no star trek really isn't that great overall.

[xander2351]

I was all into TNG and Voyager. The original was alright and I didn't care for DS9. I'm definatly looking forward to playing this game though, It's so exciting to see a Star Trek MMO come to fruition.

[UnSub]

Too bad you're second.

Ooohhhh... sick burn. ;)

I know! I am forever shamed!

[filip1902]

i think ds9 was one of the best, if not the best.

[Jazzaiz]

I love watching Star Trek!

[T-child]

Okay, I know this is going to sound strange coming from a Star Trek fan, but no star trek really isn't that great overall.

might actully have to agree with ya on that one, since they all have episodes t hat can be extremly "booring".
to much talking and to little actully happening, but that's just me, i prefer some action then bla bla bla bla, and then some more bla bla bla.

[Zintaus]

might actully have to agree with ya on that one, since they all have episodes t hat can be extremly "booring".
to much talking and to little actully happening, but that's just me, i prefer some action then bla bla bla bla, and then some more bla bla bla.

Aye, too many of these 'Talk-debate-examinate-evaluate-do-after-40minutes.' shows. But to be honest, I don't mind these epispodes at all. The whole point about these episodes are to give the viewers a deeper insight in the current mission.
On the other hand, the episodes where they are exploreing and getting into battle usually end up being solved in a diplomatic sense. So if the episode starts with talking, as it usually does it usually ends that way too. There are exceptions to this. But oh well.
I must agree, there are more of the talk and less act episodes than actual combat episodes. So my honest opinion of this is, it all comes down to what you as the viewer perferer. I like both really.

[Zephirius]

Some of the conversational episodes can get boring but combat isn't completely necessary, I loved the episode of Voyager where they took part in an intergalatic race.

[MajorGen]

Star Trek has historicaly been a "thinking man's" show. Some of the "conversational" episodes are a bit simple and somewhat pointless; I can think of several episodes that were made just to get to the next one, but you have to look deeper in some of the non-combat episodes to see that Star Trek has some serious social, economic, and philisophical undertones.

[barrylw]

TNG is my fav. DS9 was my least favourite. The new series is pretty good. But then Scott Bakula is a good actor.

[Cochise]

Each show had a different feel. I loved how DS9 made it seem less FEDERATION FEDERATION, and more rogue aspect. Like they were alone. Same with Voyager.

Overall, I love star trek and I'm really looking forward to the game.

[Magellanic]

A lot of people mentioned how Star Trek really isn't that terribly great of a show. And you know what?


They're probably right. None of the movies were ever a box office hit, and none of the series' drew a terrible amount of attention from the popular crowd of tv show watchers. So then why does it keep coming back? It's like a bad cold that won't go away :P

[Jonjah]

I love Star Trek. I have to say that from the bottom of my heart because I grew up watching TNG every night before bed. For me it was one of those show's that not only was fun to watch but that you learned from also. I don't know...it just seems that maybe Star Trek will have started out as a TV series and ended up as an example for the future of modern life. I mean...we have landed on Mars now and are in the stages of exploring it's surface...what's to say that in the next 100 years we won't be trying to build a space station or the first colonies on another planet somewhere? Star Trek opened our minds to other possabilities; I don't think it will ever be forgotten.

[captaeh]

Star Trek is definitely a good show. As someone who enjoys all the series and movies, I have to agree that all of them have some boring episodes. My personal favorite series is DS9, but all of them are awesome and all have their high points. I think DS9 has the most political intrigue in it and (arguably) the most action, which probably accounts for it being my favorite.

[Ulathar]

Yes, Star Trek is a good show. It's good Sci-Fi with all the things someone could want for mankind.
In my opinion Voyager is the best series, because they were in a whole new part of the galaxy and had to deal with all their problems on their own (no Federation backup, no Starbases, etc.) - and of course, they had the doctor ;)

[Ignak]

Well Star Trek gives something positive to watch, and think about, to my otherwise miserable life.

I like all the series, and in my opinion DS9 and TNG takes the winning place.

[FEA_Lt_Timothy_Corey_Dalton]

Personal Ranking:

1st: TOS - Legend stays legend
2nd: VOY - Just loved Seven :o
3rd: TNG/ ENT - both really nice
4th: TAS - Interessting too, but non-canon
Last: DS9 - worse until the dominion appeared

[Stormcrow]

I was all into TNG and Voyager. The original was alright and I didn't care for DS9. I'm definatly looking forward to playing this game though, It's so exciting to see a Star Trek MMO come to fruition.

Personally I much preferred the origenal Trek. The next generation just had too much politcal correctness to be any real fun. (Q episodes not withstanding of course.)And if I had to watch Worf get his butt handed to him by a Ferengi one more time I'd have lost all faith in the show. DS Nine didn't get fun until the founders invaded. Voyager sorta grows on you but it takes a while. One thing for TNG and Voyager though...The holodeck needs to be removed from every starship in the interest of crew safety....And viewer interest.

That said I am very interested to see what cryptic does with this. Be wary if your costume option includes a red shirt. :D

[Stormcrow]

Incidentally, anyone besides me think that Trellain was a young 'Q'?

[yardbird]

Apparently, you aren't the only one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trelane

[Seven_of_Mine]

Star Trek has historicaly been a "thinking man's" show. Some of the "conversational" episodes are a bit simple and somewhat pointless; I can think of several episodes that were made just to get to the next one, but you have to look deeper in some of the non-combat episodes to see that Star Trek has some serious social, economic, and philisophical undertones.

I couldn't agree more. My parents got a kick out of the original Star Trek and I thought said show was entertaining, but I prefer ST:TNG & ST:VOY a lot better. It's like comparing the campy Batman of the sixties to the Batman Begins/Dark Knight....(okay not exactly, but the best analogy I could come up with).

As a viewer, if you are looking for a tv show with a lot of laser blasting between space ships or laser blasters/sword fights on alien worlds with mind-numbing plots, the Star Trek universe is not for you. Star Trek, as a series, has many episodes that forces you, the viewer, to think outside the box and to open your mind to new possibilites and scientific theory. It touches on different issues such as social, moral, mathematical and combat. Thats not to say Star Trek doesn't deliver on the laser battles between ships or "aggressive negotiations" between species, because they most certainly do.

As a fan, I will say there are many episodes that are a tad lackluster, but almost all shows have a certain degree of hits and hitless episodes just as any Star Trek series. Lastly, Star Trek is the one tv show that has had and is constantly having an impact to our world by offering scientists, engineers, architects, mathematicians, etc. by being an inspiration for improving our livelihood. Communication, advances in MRI, medical/scientific sensors, weapons, and transportation technologies of today have had some influence from the Star Trek universe.

[Cyjack]

Incidentally, anyone besides me think that Trellain was a young 'Q'?


I thought that was extended Cannon now. Didnt they write a book about it?

[Anti-Proton]

Trilane was a Q and was confirmed in the TNG book The "Q" Continuum. It's a two-parter, but a really good read.

[Necros]

Well Star Trek gives something positive to watch, and think about
Exactly. And there are a lot of great characters, stories and many of the actors were really good.

[Bretticus]

Well I love them all, what I dont like is:

TNG the first few episodes (farpoint) the acting was rather Wooden.

VOG: Early series Janeway looked like she was about to burst into tears when talking to crew members.

the fact Paris (robert ducan mcneil) was in an episode of TNG when he was in command of the cadets with wil crusher that caused that accident while on the training mission. Although he had another name (which escapes me)

Ho another on TNG, they should have saved the saucer seperation bit til later in the series, would have been a nice suprise, instead of giving it away in the first ever episode.

[MajorGen]

Seven_of_Mine

You hit the nail on the head with your 60's Batman analogy. If you ever watch the first seasons of TNG you would have noticed a transition from the old Star Trek to what we know now to be the modern perspective. Not only did the costumes change, but so did the stories. We stopped watching "space creatures" roam around the place and moved into more realistic and grittier plots. Elements that were staples in OST gave way to social and political exercises like the the TNG Episode "Drumhead" that talked about the infringement of the right to due process and other matters or the episode when Data's humanity was put on trial.

Just like watching the old Batman the "growing-up" of the entire franchise. From the original to Batman Returns, then Batman Forever, finally to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. If you've never seen Adam West's portrayal as the original Batman, you should find it somewhere and watch it. It's so over the top and well.....cheesy.....

[Galvon]

I love almost all things Star Trek, except one; Enterprise. Enterprise totally destroyed Roddenberry's history of Star Trek and was just slapped together to make money off of the franchise name. Christopher Pike was the first Captain of a starship named Enterprsie. Period. If they would have called it anythign but a Star Trek, or used a different name for the ship, I wouldn't have minded the show. Kind of like the Godzilla rip off with Mathew Broderick. If they would have called that movie "Giant Iguana Eats New York" it would have been a good film. Saying it's Godzilla was an abomination.
Ever since Roddenberry's death the story writers kind of went anyway they wanted to and destroyed a Legacy. While he was alive, any reference to prior events matched up. Here's another example: Star Trek: First Contact. Excellent movie, but the only history they got right was the Vulcans were the first to make contact with us. In Star Trek: TOS episode "Metamorphisis" you meet a young Zephrim Cocharine being kept alive by the Companion. When he introduces himself, Kirk mentions his point of origin as being Alpha Centari, not Earth.
So that's the one thing I hope they do with this game is stay true the course of the original histories if it is about races/cultures/characters already known. New stuff, have a ball with the imagination. I just don't want this to be another "Enterprise" making money off a name.

[thord00d]

yeah, i'd say Star Trek was a pretty good series:)

[Ardan_Blade]

TOS, well, I never could quite get my mind around it, but Spock rules forever! The TOS movies were better for me, since I could actually understand them.

TNG was my childhood series, so it will forever hold it's ground as my favorite. This and the fact that morals were more important than having a battle, which taught me that violence should be a last resort (but is still awesome to watch!)

If it weren't for DS9, we would never have any of those truly epic fleet engagements that I love. I didn't like the writing, but whenever they had a good mystery, it was worth watching.

VOY was ruined for me by Seven the screen hog, but I really liked some of the other characters.

ENT... I know someone is going to get mad, but I didn't like it as Star Trek. It was an interesting show on its own, but I couldn't reconcile it with the rest of Trek.

All that aside, I love Star Trek, and believe firmly that anyone who has gone through life without it has been deprived of an important element of living.

[HyorD]

Okay, I know this is going to sound strange coming from a Star Trek fan, but no star trek really isn't that great overall.Agreed; really, the scripts and plots are seldom all that good. I suspect that I like the shows largely because they provide an arena in which I can set my own fantasies; something to give them structure.
That, and it's a soap opera, so once you get sucked in you can't stop watching ;)
the fact Paris (robert ducan mcneil) was in an episode of TNG when he was in command of the cadets with wil crusher that caused that accident while on the training mission. Although he had another name (which escapes me)Reasons for not simply bringing back the Locarno character have varied. It may have been because they would have had to pay royalties to the writers of "The First Duty" every episode. In interviews the producers of Voyager have given a more convincing reason. They felt Locarno's actions in that episode made him irredeemable, making redemption unbelievable for audiences.

[Meeber]

I liked them all except Voyager pre 7of9. That crew should have thrown Nelix and Janway out of the airlock. DS9 was the overall best especially when the Dominon War was going on. TNG was good after the second sesson (first season was horrible but once they killed off Tasha Yar it got better.) Enterprise was ok but I think they should not have used the Time Aliens as the main bad guys and just stick to the early lore. Which means that they did not meet the Klingons in that time but may have discovered the Romulains.

[jojobean]

Of course Star Trek is a good show I have every series and all 10 movies and all the games as well :D

[amberleaf]

Star Trek was a great series, though all the spin-offs took a while to get going.

TNG was VERY 80's for the first year, and those episodes now seem almost as dated as TOS,
DS9 didn't really get interesting until Odo found his people (D'OH!)
VOY didn't get interesting until the end when they flew into Borg space

...and ENT, actually not bad from the start, though the final season kicked ass!

[-Brett-]

Trilane was a Q and was confirmed in the TNG book The "Q" Continuum. It's a two-parter, but a really good read.

Books aren't canon. Trellane (sp?) as a Q is still speculation. But it's a popular one.

As for the original post, I'd say it averages out to be pretty good.

[JimmyK]

How can this be a thread? Do you mean, like... the writing? Or the acting? Or what?

Anyway...

TNG is the best-written of all of the Treks.

And as a sidenote, a lot of our current tech came from innovative people who watched TOS and said "why can't we have that now?" They even did a show about it on Discovery Channel, or History or something. Why do you think cellphones look like the original communicator?

[DoctorWhat]

Star Trek was a great series, though all the spin-offs took a while to get going.

TNG was VERY 80's for the first year, and those episodes now seem almost as dated as TOS,
DS9 didn't really get interesting until Odo found his people (D'OH!)
VOY didn't get interesting until the end when they flew into Borg space

...and ENT, actually not bad from the start, though the final season kicked ass!


Really? I thought Voyager was very stellar the very first episode because they made relationships right off the bat, and got into the character development. Like B'ellana Torres becoming the Chief Engineer, despite being a Maquis in the third episode. Most TNG and DS9 episodes were random science fiction episodes based on diplomacy mostly the first season and only slightly touched on the main characters other than Wesley and Picard, and a few Data moments. Not to mention the random basic science fiction episodes.

I'm probably the only person to like all of the series equally, but for different reasons. Hell I even liked Enterprise despite the fact that it defied previous lore stated in TNG and felt like another fiction retcon.

I don't know, but for some reason I got bored when they entered the giant endless void of unknown space, but afterwards they picked up again after ending the threat. The time based episodes probably had the biggest plot holes out of any series and came out utterly confusing though. I really feel I only watched enterprise due to the shiny graphics, phaser action, sexy women, and porthos. Even though I did like some of the characters and stories.

On topic though, I find Star Trek to be the best Science Fiction series due to the actual science behind the fiction, and the diplomatic views, and cultural differences encountered. Not to mention the fact that the main characters were actually touched upon quite a bit. I can't say the same detail was given to all of the main characters in the new Batllestar Galactica. Hell, most of the fighter pilots other than Starbuck, and even Starbuck in the early seasons were utterly boring, and lacking. I find watching Star Trek better than watching Heroes, 24, and Lost.