Will the sulabaan be present [Archive] - Star Trek Online Forums

rabidchocobo

11-07-2009, 09:27 PM

Kinda doubt it. A significant percentage, even a majority, of Trek fans don't care at all for Enterprise. I know several who only watched to hear the musical themes. I know a few who refused to watch because of the same music. Same back and forth over Bakula. I'd say Cryptic knows how touchy fans are about this series and won't want this material in their universe. I'd take it or leave it.

Forgotten-Nemesis

11-07-2009, 10:14 PM

I hope not.

I couldn't stand the way Enterprise introduced new races in roles that laster longer than a single episode like the Suliban and the Xindi which didn't exist in TOS or TNG.

Aslan_chShran

11-07-2009, 11:09 PM

Azurian

11-07-2009, 11:15 PM

I'm sure the Suluban will be in STO, but they generally going to be a normal race.

Now the Cabal, I wouldn't be surprised if there's something going on with them. Perhaps we will finally learn who future guy ends up being, and he was from this era. :D

Be a nice way to implement time travel back to meet up with Archer and the NX-01. ;)

Forgotten-Nemesis

11-07-2009, 11:21 PM

Enterprise was awesome and anyone who hates Enterprise doesn't understand quality science fiction. Sure, some episodes were craptastic but I could list a ton of TOS and TNG episodes that were pretty damn crappy themselves. But no, let's blame Enterprise.

The Subaban were pretty cool - I just didn't care too much for their Cell Ships.

Whoa, calm down!

I said I didn't like the introduction of new races important to the plot of the series that hadn't already been around in TOS or TNG.

I really liked the Andorian/Telarite story arc and the solution to the Klingon forehead problem. The writers really did a good job respecting many parts of previous Trek canon.

Stu1701

11-07-2009, 11:50 PM

I hope not.

I couldn't stand the way Enterprise introduced new races in roles that laster longer than a single episode like the Suliban and the Xindi which didn't exist in TOS or TNG.

I agree. That's why people hate Enterprise so much. If they hadn't done that and had just suck with canon the show would've been so much better. I really hope we don't see or hear any mention of the Suliban or Xindi.

Enterprise was awesome and anyone who hates Enterprise doesn't understand quality science fiction. Sure, some episodes were craptastic but I could list a ton of TOS and TNG episodes that were pretty damn crappy themselves. But no, let's blame Enterprise.

People hate Enterprise so much because it didn't stick with canon, not because it was a bad show. I agree that Enterprise was a good show and I do enjoy watching like I do all Star Trek, but it was a terrible prequel.

Forgotten-Nemesis

11-08-2009, 12:03 AM

By the same token, giving the Borg and Ferengi cameos in Enterprise was as near to the writers admitting they were complete morons as they were ever going to get.

The very best Enterprise episode which they created perfectly was "In a Mirror, Darkly". No contest.

JcPizwink

11-08-2009, 12:50 AM

I'm in te process of watching the enterprise series through netflix (into season 2 now). I fast forward through the RIDICULOUSLY AWFUL opening song, but I think the main problem with the show is some of the cast.

Hoshi's grown on me, but she was nails on a chalkboard for a while. Mayweather is an awful actor...borderline comedic.

And the Malcolm/Travis bumbling duo bit works most of the time, but when they turn into laurel and hardy I want to scream.

Frankly, Scott Bakula and Dr. Phlox are the only two reliable performers on the show (T'Pol is great most of the time, but I just sat through "carbon creek" and was loling).

Anyway, on the topic at hand, I see no reason why the Suleban won't make an appearance in some questlines...in a game as (hopefully) massive as this, they'll be scraping the barrel long after the Suleban for material...I'd be surprised if ANY major alien race didn't make a profound appearance at one point or another.

kkmccall

11-08-2009, 01:22 AM

I just tried to find who you were talking about, in Memory Alpha. There are so many misspellings in this thread it was not that easy :)

<> Sulabaan - nope - Comes up with nothing.

<> Subaban - nope - nothing again

<> Suluban - nope - was getting a tad frustrated by this point.

<> Suliban (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Suliban) - Bingo!

Pity Memory Alpha doesn't have a 'Did you mean....' page

When discussing obscure terms, I feel it would be beneficial to your arguments/discussions if you could include links in your posts. :)

... and the solution to the Klingon forehead problem...

Following links on the above linked page I see in the Episode 'Broken Bow (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Broken_Bow_%28episode%29)' a full Klingon along with the head ridges. In TOS Klingons were shown without such ridges, the Klingon/Human 'fusion'. How was all this explained? In Voyager there is a Klingon/Human with Ridges (B'Elanna Torres (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/B%27Elanna_Torres))

Edit: Typo's :o

tkmodified

11-08-2009, 01:23 AM

Enterprise was an alright series, I watched all of season 1, almost fell off the bandwagon in season 2, but it got pretty good onwards.

Suliban definitely won't be present I'd say. We don't know much about them back in the day and we certainly don't know much about them in STO's century.

felixwizemann

11-08-2009, 01:50 AM

i don't think the suliban are really important - even in enterprise. they are just manipulated by somebody from the future. In my opinion, it isn't bad if they were in the sto universe, but they shouldn't be more than a small local power or a member of a bigger power (feds/klingons/romulans...).

but i don't think, enterprise was a bad series, i just think they have tried to create more long story arcs from the
beginning.
the old star trek concept was used in tos and tng, less in ds9 and a bit more in voyager - i just think, it was the wrong concept to just launch another enterprise. they changed the concept a bit later with the xindi and also in season 4. Also i didn't really like the character developement - the characters in ds9 were far more intresting, the interacting of different species. TNG and voyager where also better in these things.

evil713

11-08-2009, 01:53 AM

also the majority of there ships are tiny as hell. i dont want to fight swarms of cloak and high warp capable shuttlepods.

squidheadjax

11-08-2009, 03:21 AM

Following links on the above linked page I see in the Episode 'Broken Bow (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Broken_Bow_%28episode%29)' a full Klingon along with the head ridges. In TOS Klingons were shown without such ridges, the Klingon/Human 'fusion'. How was all this explained? In Voyager there is a Klingon/Human with Ridges (B'Elanna Torres (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/B%27Elanna_Torres))

Edit: Typo's :o

The Enterprise episodes that dealt with that sort of thing (and they dealt with it quite well: a guest starring from Brent Spiner as one of Dr. Soong's ancestors, some resolution of what happened with the genetically engineered humans who didn't ship off with Khan, and an oblique homage to the TNG episode where the genetically enhanced kids made people sick by proximity), along with the Vulcan/Andorian/Tellarite tensions, were generally well-done and provided an inspiring path to the founding of the Federation.

The Temperal Cold War main arc was as insipid as those unfortunately infrequent glimpses of history were inspiring. Episodes with neither were pretty variable, and the Mirror Universe two-parter was amazing. It was also the last episode, despite that rumoured final episode with the TNG frame story.

If there are any Suliban ships in the game, then I will play whichever side can shoot at them freely, at least on an alt. That goes twice over for the Xindi.

Musterion

11-08-2009, 04:23 AM

Some of the later episodes of Enterprise were great, but on the whole it was pretty average.

Inquizitor

11-08-2009, 04:58 AM

Pest

11-08-2009, 05:39 AM

Dont know if they will be or not but I agree with the poster who said the whole "Enterprise" series is a sore spot.

Parts of it I liked and some of the stories were really good but the thing that kind of turned me against Enterprise was the over-use of time-travel storylines.

A little meddling with time travel for a single stand alone episode is fine but having significant storylines that are essentially "undone" or half a season re-written or erased is just a lazy writers crutch.:p

Teejo08

11-08-2009, 05:43 AM

Following links on the above linked page I see in the Episode 'Broken Bow (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Broken_Bow_%28episode%29)' a full Klingon along with the head ridges. In TOS Klingons were shown without such ridges, the Klingon/Human 'fusion'. How was all this explained? In Voyager there is a Klingon/Human with Ridges (B'Elanna Torres (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/B%27Elanna_Torres))

I can't remember the episode names but after the whole crisis with the Augments and starfleet, the Klingons get hold of the genetic sequences and engineer thier own super warriors. But because the original sequences were meant for humans the klingons that were engineered show some human traits such as no head ridges etc. Tom and B'Elanna could have had a more human looking daughter that was just nature taking its course.

In response to the OP i would like to see the Enterprise races popping up. I was a big fan of the show mostly because it was 21st century trek. i.e. i was watching Trek from my era rather than from a previous one. The suliban always interested me whenever they cropped up a pity we didn't get more about thier history and culture...

overlordthor

11-08-2009, 07:46 AM

I think it would be alright for the Suliban around, a few episodes(Quests), where you encounter them, maybe a small story arc, but nothing super huge and deep that goes on for a really long time. References and things like that are quite nice, I also want to see an episode on lots of minor species from other series put in.

mufti09

11-08-2009, 07:57 AM

I had thought that the Sulabaan were going to be the "Ancient Threat" since they were the first threat that Earth Faced.

Spock_of_the_Walk

11-08-2009, 08:02 AM

i enjoyed enterprise the first time through. i tried rewatching it and seasons 1 and 2 were pretty boring. most of the season 3 episodes and i think all the xindi story episodes were great. season 4 was good too.

Inquizitor

11-08-2009, 08:31 AM

I would personally much rather seeing the Hirogen.

Aslan_chShran

11-08-2009, 09:25 AM

By the same token, giving the Borg and Ferengi cameos in Enterprise was as near to the writers admitting they were complete morons as they were ever going to get.

Not arguing but curious - what was wrong with the cameos by the Ferengi and the Borg? The crew never learned the names of either species and its happened in real life that a group has run into someone or something and not realized who or what they were. If Archers crew ran into the Ferengi and then they didn't see this race for 100+ years it is possible that Picard wouldn't have realized this and easily said "We've never seen/met them" if it was one accidental run-in 100+ years back.

Same with the Borg - you know Section 31? If it were around back in Archer's day, or something akin to Section 31, ANY mention of the weird alien species that was encountered could have been easily swept under the rug and again, 100+ years later forgotten about. After all - it was ONE encounter. Remember the bugs that took over people's brains in the 1st season of TNG? At the end THEY sent off a message to an 'unknown' corner of space, but we've NEVER heard from them again, through the rest of TNG, DS9 OR Voyager.

Plus the Borg encounter made sense given what happened in First Contact - the ship blew up in orbit and could have showered a part of earth with Borg remains that re-activated.

I know some fans take offense to these two episodes, but I don't. What's wrong with them?

Kazzy

11-08-2009, 09:43 AM

I think the Suliban will be in game somewhere. They were the big nemesis species for one of the 5 television series after all

Fatherfungus

11-08-2009, 09:57 AM

technically...they could be

hope not, people just didn't like them...even as villians
they are part of the reason enterprise was cut short.....the writers are a second reason.

ussequinox

11-08-2009, 10:15 AM

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but if you can't already tell I am a fan of Enterprise. I admit that the show had some loops which didn't quite fit in with the story-line of later Star Trek series, mainly the Xindi story arc (which I try to completely forget about), and the Suliban. Also the Denobulans, my favourite race, have only had small appearances in games, and a few novels after Enterprise. Beyond that the writing, and overall sci-fi was great, and more than a match for any sci-fi show running at the time, and I'd even venture to say since it's running.

On that note, if Cryptic were to incorporate races such as the Suliban, and Denobulans (as I strongly hope they do), they would have to do so in a way that wouldn't affect the story line greatly. That leaves one of two possibilities, either the Suliban after the temporal cold war, went into seclusion (much like the Xindi presumably did), or they peacefully and quietly became a part of the Federation as the Denobulans did.

If they are not included in the game you can create them, as you will have the ability to create your own characters.

rabidchocobo

11-08-2009, 10:33 AM

Well, it goes back to what we said in pages 1+2 about canon material. We document Picard's encounter with Ferengi on the Stargazer as first contact with the Ferengi. A lot of fans on this site and a lot of others I know of resent this knowledge being changed. It's not about the characters knowing, or not knowing. It's about what we know and that being altered. We're weird that way.

By the same token, we don't like being told a chunk got taken out of Florida and the Caribbean Sea by someone we'd never heard of. If such a thing had ever occurred, you'd think we'd have heard about the Xindi sometimes in the future, but no, not a word. If these races and events were so important to the foundation of the Federation, why did we never hear a thing about them ever ever ever in the future? We're weird that way, too.

The Klingon forehead thing:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Klingon_augment_virus