Klingons now have a rough idea of how our ship list will look

[slingbladez]

With the new interview with Al-Rivera we now have a good idea how ship list for klingons will look.
Edit: The interviewer says fed have 16 configurations, Klingons have 13. Federation have 2 unique ships per class in Tier 5 instead of the usual 1.

You can advance through five different Birds of Prey: four Raptors, three Battle Cruisers (like the Vor’cha and the Negh’Var) and one Carrier. You start in a Bird of Prey. When you gain a new rank, you can choose to advance into the next tier Bird of Prey, or instead choose a Raptor. At the next rank, you can choose from the next Bird of Prey, next Raptor, or choose the Battle Cruiser… and so on. Altogether, there are 13 Klingon ship configurations. There is slightly less overall configuration than Starfleet, but there are more high-end ships to choose from.

http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/221/Al-Rivera-Talks-Star-Trek-Online


Federation have an extra in tier two, and klingon have an extra type of ship in tier 5(sweet :D) . Federation have 2 unique ships per class in Tier 5 instead of the usual 1. I edited my list to show how this works out.

We don't have a definitive list of the names of the ships for the Klingons and how they match up for each tier so I'm only guessing.

Tier 1

Light Cruiser (Miranda Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Miranda_class
Bird of Prey (22nd century) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Klingon_Bird-of-Prey_(22nd_century)

Tier 2

Science Vessel (Nova Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Nova_class
Escort (Saber Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Saber_class
Cruiser (Constitution Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Constitution_class
Bird of Prey (B'rel-class) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/B%27rel_class
Raptor (22nd Century Raptor Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class
While they have said there isn't a tier 2 battleship it would be nice if we had one.
Battle Cruiser (D7 Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/D7_class

Tier 3

Research Science Vessel (Olympic Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Olympic_class
Heavy Escort (Akira Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Akira_class
Heavy Cruiser (Constellation Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Constellation_class
Bird of Prey (D'Gavama Class) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/D%27Gavama_class
Raptor (D5 Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/D5_class
Battle Cruiser (K't'inga Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/K%27t%27inga_class

Tier 4

Long Range Science Vessel (Intrepid Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Intrepid_class
Tactical Escort (Defiant Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Defiant_class
Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Galaxy_class
Bird of Prey (D12 Class) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/D12_class
Raptor
Battle Cruiser (Vor'cha class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vor%27cha_class

Tier 5

Deep Space Science Vessel (Luna and Special Cryptic only Ship) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Luna_class
Fleet Escort (Prometheus and a Special Cryptic only Ship) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Prometheus_class
Battle Cruiser (Sovereign and a Special Cryptic only Ship http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sovereign_class
Bird of Prey(K'Vort Class) http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/K%27vort_class
Raptor (24th Century Raptor Class) http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/raptor_class
Battle Cruiser (Negh'Var Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh%27Var_warship
Carrier (Vo'Quv Class) http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/voquv


I like the fact that we have access to a BoP for all tiers especially for tier 5. I hope they allow us to have a good amount of customization, especially for the lower tiers so we don't ALL look like we are flying the exact same ship. What do you guys think about the list?

[Varrangian]

I can't even begin to tell you how disappointed I am in this list. If the Vo'Quv is the most powerful ship it basically ensures that every end game Klingon will be experiencing their "social gameplay?" (PvP) in one ship and one ship only.

I say this because if you do not have a carrier at every tier (or at least every tier above 1) you can never find the right balance and it will either be over powered or underpowered. Given the size of the thing I'm more likely to go with overpowered.

[Commander_Nate]

Sounds pretty good to me. One of my favorite Klingon ships was the K'Vort. Hope to see it in game somewhere around tier 3.

[thefreshjedi]

Rough, but growing. Klingons are starting to look very appealing. My question still looms to the devs, and that is: will the Klingons honor their factions by allowing other races to continue to use their ship designs? Unlike the Federation which forces everyone to play in Federation ships and technology, I wonder how much other factions within the Klingon Empire will be able to continue to use their own technologies instead of being forced to serve on Klingon vessles?

-avery

[Corehaven22]

Yea Klingons get less ships than the Federation. More good news. :(

[USS_Parallax]

Problem:
1) They said we'd start with a D7 type ship in an interview before I believe.

But yeah. This is weak.

[mistharm]

I admit, I'd hoped Carriers would pop up sooner... that was what I had intended to level up in.

That said, I'm a HUGE Bird of Prey fan, so knowing I can go all the way up in one (well "varieties" of one) is a Very Good Thing (TM).

Still grumpy about a lot of things for the Klingons though.

[Tighclops]

Problem:
1) They said we'd start with a D7 type ship in an interview before I believe.

But yeah. This is weak.

There is no honour in whining.

[CrazyVulcan]

sorry man but my list is better

tear 1

Light curser of some BoP variant or D7

tear 2

Raptor Scout
Bird of Pray
D7 Assault

tear 3

NuQ'Duj
KolothChava'kal
Chuq'Beh

tear 4

(BoP Refit)
Vor'Cha Cruiser
SuQ'Jagh

Tear 5

Fek'Lhr
Negh'Var
Vo'Quv

[Suricata]

Linked this in my ship comparisons thread, but seems fitting here, a picture paints a 1000 words afterall ignore the star tier ships, I've added ships there that I don't know where to place, but I'm pretty sure the devs mentioend the D7 been a starting ship, so it could be the D7 and BoP are available at the start.

Klingon Ship Tiers (http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoklingonshiptierchart1.png)

Its certainly lacking compared to the Federation, however, we don't know how Klingon Configs will work or how many customisation options a Klingon ship will have compared to a Starfleet ship, so its too early to jump the gun right now.

[Corehaven22]

sorry man but my list is better

tear 1

Light curser of some BoP variant or D7

tear 2

Raptor Scout
Bird of Pray
D7 Assault

tear 3

NuQ'Duj
KolothChava'kal
Chuq'Beh

tear 4

(BoP Refit)
Vor'Cha Cruiser
SuQ'Jagh

Tear 5

Fek'Lhr
Negh'Var
Vo'Quv

Okay he didnt make his list up. It was based on an interview given recently.

HERE : http:
//www.incgamers.com/Interviews/221/Al-Rivera-Talks-Star-Trek-Online (http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/221/Al-Rivera-Talks-Star-Trek-Online)

So your list probably is better. Its just not realistically accurate in regards to what Cryptic is doing atm.

[Hardac]

This is weak.


Agreed. :(



A BOP at every tier is cool tho.

I just...wish there were more ships.:(

[sandman105]

I found a link reguarding Klingon ship classes. Hopefully this will be of some use to Klingon fans.

http:///www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/klingon_ships.htm#starships

I think Klingons need to have more ships than what is listed on ships of the line so far.

[TruthSeer]

Problem:
1) They said we'd start with a D7 type ship in an interview before I believe.

But yeah. This is weak.

They could have pushed it back and are classifying it as a Raptor or a Cruiser. Which I would think would make fans of the ship happier since that would mean the ship is a more viable option than if it was the starter ship.

[Elta_and_Zletha]

Klingon Ship Tiers (http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoklingonshiptierchart1.png)

Nice job!! Really enjoyed the effort of this!

Lacking ships for Klingons though... boooo =(

[Hardac]

Its certainly lacking compared to the Federation, however, we don't know how Klingon Configs will work or how many customisation options a Klingon ship will have compared to a Starfleet ship, so its too early to jump the gun right now.

I have a feeling the KDF will have less of everything.

Sorry to be all doom and gloom.

At least I'll have the fedrat side to play as well...

[The_Stig]

This is a disappointing. It seems like Cryptic is giving a lot less content to Klingons than to the Federation. I do not see the equality between factions, what I see is the strong emphasis on the Federation. That being said, if I were a new player entering the game Federation would be my top choice because there seems to be nothing happening for Klingons. I really hope that my assumptions are wrong about Klingons lacking content compared to the Federation, because if this is in fact the case STO will have a lot of problems.

[crow11383]

Other then the Vo'Quv there doesn't seem to be any support ships for the Klingon side. Will there not be any? Klingons are brave, but not stupid; I couldn't see them rushing fool hardy into battle with no support.

[Morgomir]

dissapointed in this list, was hoping to get some Gorn/ Nausicaan ships in there for variety and also the D7, K
tinga with a more prominent role...sad sad sad.

[Zoberraz]

Haven't you guys been seeing the Future's Past movies and seen the vessels the Klingons fought against? The Gorns, the Orions and the Nausicans? There were some pretty unique ship designs in there that will no doubt fill in the blanks in the KDF, many of those actually being origi9nal works from Cryptic.

There are only so many Klingon ships Cryptic can pull out of their collective back ends given how much the IP provided for them. On that side, the Federation always enjoyed a significant advantage. The one good way the Devs had to compensate for that is to have the ships of the other races being part of the KDF have more visibility... and if I recall the movie, some were pretty slick designs.

Consider that before you rattle on with those shackles of doom and gloom.

[Antagonist]

Y'know, i wonder if, instead being able to alter the cosmetic appearance of Klingon ships, you alter who's species it is? say I have a bird of prey. now a fed player will be able to make his Miranda look like a Soyuz. the Klingon player, on the other hand, makes it into the Nausicaan equivalent of a bird of prey...or the Orion equivalent...or the Gorn equivalent...that way, you can have more variety of ship 'Architecture' for the Klingons, and you can have every ship of the various species, while the feds have more "classes", but they keep similar numbers of ships?(Klingons still get less total, of course, but this way they get all the species ships, and the players dont have to be stuck in the same carrier at end game...well, cosmetically, anyways; a Gorn carrier would fly just like a Vo'Quv, but would look different then the "Battlestar Kingactica":p)

[Musterion]

Klingons should get the first major content patch, and name it something Klingony.

[Varrangian]

Haven't you guys been seeing the Future's Past movies and seen the vessels the Klingons fought against? The Gorns, the Orions and the Nausicans? There were some pretty unique ship designs in there that will no doubt fill in the blanks in the KDF, many of those actually being origi9nal works from Cryptic.

There are only so many Klingon ships Cryptic can pull out of their collective back ends given how much the IP provided for them. On that side, the Federation always enjoyed a significant advantage. The one good way the Devs had to compensate for that is to have the ships of the other races being part of the KDF have more visibility... and if I recall the movie, some were pretty slick designs.

Consider that before you rattle on with those shackles of doom and gloom.

I'm sorry, but from reading the interview it is clear that these are it for the KDF faction. There are no blanks to be filled in.

[Antagonist]

I'm sorry, but from reading the interview it is clear that these are it for the KDF faction. There are no blanks to be filled in.

However, my proposition is still valid, if unlikely; "BoP" can just as easily mean "BoP re-skinned to look like Gorn thing but is still the same". Probably wishful thinking, but you never know....

[ChristopherC]

Wow man, I’m growing more prejudice against Cryptic as time goes on….. Been Klingon fan all the way this unacceptable…

So we get less episodic content, less ship configuration, forced PvP progression, and to play as Klingon it requires unlocking Klingons in the first place by playing the nerdy Federation. This is getting better and better everyday looks like the nightmare is about to be unleashed in the months to come.

Cryptic why bother with playable Klingon race in the first place? Damn shame you guys can’t or couldn’t finished it in time for STO release. So now Klingon fans have to settle for this BS. I have no intention to play Federation I plan on playing Klingon side exclusively.

I wouldn’t complain at all if Cryptic said that they need more time for Klingon playable race to finish it and it will be added after the game is released whatever time they need to make it right.

LOL no wait I almost forgot I’m PvP hardcore player so it looks like I’ll be PvPing 24/7 because what else is there to do been Klingon lol fools………

[slingbladez]

Guys re-read my original post. There are actually 13 configurations for BOTH federation and Klingons. The guy being interviewed made a mistake. I show proof in my edited original post. Look at post #1 again.

[Varrangian]

Guys re-read my original post. There are actually 13 configurations for BOTH federation and Klingons. The guy being interviewed made a mistake. I show proof in my edited original post. Look at post #1 again.

Actually there are 16, there are three tier 4 configurations yet to be revealed for the Federation that are in house designs by Cryptic.

[CrazyVulcan]

With the new interview with Al-Rivera we now have a good idea how ship list for klingons will look.
Edit: The interviewer mistakenly says fed have 16 configurations, klingons have 13. This is mistaken, each faction has 13 configurations. Look at the proof below



http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/221/Al-Rivera-Talks-Star-Trek-Online


I think it will look something like this (13 ship configs over 5 tiers). We don't have a definitive list of the names of the ships for each tier so I'm not going to bother guessing. This is just an example of how the classes are laid out in each tier.

Edit: It seems the guy messed up in the interview by saying federation have 5 tiers with science/escort/cruiser AND a tier for a lt cruiser. If you do that you have tier 1-6 which doesn't work, this game only has tiers 1-5 http://www.startrekonline.com/ship_overview/tiers . Tier 1 is a light cruiser, and Tiers(2,3,4,5) have science/escort/cruiser so (1+3+3+3+3 = 13) the federation have 13 configurations . If you don't believe me just look at http://www.startrekonline.com/ships and count .

So Klingons and federation have the same overall configuration it's just federation have an extra in tier two, and we have an extra in tier 5(sweet :D) . I'll edit my list to show how this works out

Tier 1

Light Cruiser
Bird of Prey

Tier 2

Science Vessel
Escort
Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor

Tier 3

Research Science Vessel
Heavy Escort
Heavy Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor
Battle Cruiser

Tier 4

Long Range Science Vessel
Tactical Escort
Exploration Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor
Battle Cruiser

Tier 5

Deep Space Science Vessel
Fleet Escort
Battle Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor
Battle Cruiser
Carrier


I like the fact that we have access to a BoP for all tiers especially for tier 5. I hope they allow us to have a good amount of customization, especially for the lower tiers so we don't ALL look like we are flying the exact same ship. What do you guys think about the list?

ok that is much better

[sandman105]

I havent found it if it has been listed or posted somewhere, but wouldnt the Negh'Var Warship be a good addition to the Klingon ships? Seems to be up there with the Carrier Klingons get.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh'Var_warship

[slingbladez]

Actually there are 16, there are three tier 4 configurations yet to be revealed for the Federation that are in house designs by Cryptic.

The guy said five Escorts, five Cruisers, five Science Vessels, and one starting Lt. Cruiser)

If you go by that you get 16. Unfortunately if you go by that you also get 6 tiers...lol. How it actually goes is Tier 1 has a Lt Cruiser and Tiers 2,3,4,5 have a science/cruiser/escort so 1 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3= 13 total ships.

[slingbladez]

I havent found it if it has been listed or posted somewhere, but wouldnt the Negh'Var Warship be a good addition to the Klingon ships? Seems to be up there with the Carrier Klingons get.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh'Var_warship

That is probably the last tier Battleship

Here is the carrier http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/voquv

[sandman105]

Ah, kk, I was just curious because the Negh'Var on memory alpha was said to be the flagship for the Klingons in 2372, so it would most definatley be in use in 2409.

[Greenomen]

I like the fact that we have access to a BoP for all tiers especially for tier 5. I hope they allow us to have a good amount of customization, especially for the lower tiers so we don't ALL look like we are flying the exact same ship.

Agree. Bird of Prey and a star to guide her by. Life is good.

[Lepton]

Sorry, Cryptic, but this is bullcrap. Only 5 ship models: BoP, Raptor, Vor'cha, Negh'Var, and Vo'Quv. Someone really needs to flesh this list out so that I don't have to go find someone to punch. The Feds are getting what looks to be over 20 distinct models, built around certain common elements and the Klinks are getting just 5 ship models that are merely tiered with differing configurations.

Say it ain't so. I was so looking forward to how you guys were going to allow cosmetic modifications to Klingon ships and now it seems as if we are not even getting a fully fleshed out set of ships.

This is really, really disappointing.

I sincerely hope that we will see as full a diversity of Klingon ships as we have for the Feds.

This just makes me sad.

[A_Martin]

I like the fact that we have access to a BoP for all tiers especially for tier 5. I hope they allow us to have a good amount of customization, especially for the lower tiers so we don't ALL look like we are flying the exact same ship. What do you guys think about the list?

Could get dicey for the Federation in conning if all the BoP look the same... haha!

[vobedarkelf]

MMmmm... I am not sure, but I think I may be a little dissapointed by this new info. A 'better' bird of prey available at every teir? AND they will have less customization? This seems lazy to me after all the unique ship designs fed side gets throughout the game.

Starting out in a BOP is not a big surprise for me, but I am one of those players who was expecting Carriers available a bit earlier in game. Making only a single carrier available at top level will really encourage a lot of players to take that ship when they get to that point.

"Hmm, do I want ANOTHER bird of prey, or do I want to try out the carrier?"

Now this begs the burning question: "what's the difference?" We understand how the three fed ship types have very different play styles. So, how do the Klingon ships perform differently? They all sound like they are deisgned to just go out and blast away at their enemies. Is one of them more of an 'engineering' ship type, like the Fed Cruisers are? Will the BOPs or Rapters be comparable to the nimble little Fed Escorts? Will any of them offer system targeting and support abilities like the Fed Science ships? It would not be cool if the Klingon side suffered from a lack of a key ship type at the low levels, while the Fed side enjoys the benefits that ship brings.

[shadows802]

I'll Admit that klingons dont have alot of canon ships but this still feels alittle cheap by cryptic.

[Azurian]

Tier 1

Light Cruiser
Bird of Prey (B'rel-class)

Tier 2

Science Vessel
Escort
Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor

Tier 3

Research Science Vessel
Heavy Escort
Heavy Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor
Battle Cruiser

Tier 4

Long Range Science Vessel
Tactical Escort
Exploration Cruiser
Bird of Prey
Raptor
Battle Cruiser

Tier 5

Deep Space Science Vessel
Fleet Escort
Battle Cruiser
Bird of Prey(K'Vort Class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/K%27Vort_class
Raptor (Vor'cha class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vor%27cha_class
Battle Cruiser (Negh'Var class) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh%27Var_warship
Carrier (Vo'Quv class) http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/voquv


I like the fact that we have access to a BoP for all tiers especially for tier 5. I hope they allow us to have a good amount of customization, especially for the lower tiers so we don't ALL look like we are flying the exact same ship. What do you guys think about the list?

To me it's more like this:

Teir 1: B'Rel Class BoP

Teir 2:

???? Class BoP (Type 1)
Raptor Type 1
D7 / K'T'inga / ???

Teir 3:

???? Class BoP (Type 2)
Raptor Type 2
????

Teir 4:

???? Class BoP (Type 3)
Raptor Type 3
Vor'Cha

Tier 5:

K'Vort-Class BoP
Raptor Type 4
Negh'Var
Vo'Quv


Now if this is the case, it really, really shows how that Cryptic has absolutely no imagination with the Klingons. Instead of new ships, players just graduate to larger versions of the previous warship.

Heck, I'm waiting to learn they just lazily just scaled up the BoP's and Raptors.

[schellingerhout]

i like the list it self and that most ships wil look the same

they never had manny ship designs for a reason there worries who dont need to desing every ship a new but work on the old and improve it again and only make radical new ships when a absolute need come to it
so it hold true to canon

and dont worry in pvp and pve both side wil be balanced cryptic want to make money with this game so there gone make dam sure that all players can have fun with both side's if that was not there intention they would just make a kling and fed single player game and be done with it

[shadows802]

Heres a question In the interview al rivera said there will be 16 base fed ships and like 48 ship classes. Does something like that hold true for klingons meaning 13 ships and 33 variants?

[Morgomir]

Heres a question In the interview al rivera said there will be 16 base fed ships and like 48 ship classes. Does something like that hold true for klingons meaning 13 ships and 33 variants?

yes that is very true.

[TruthSeer]

Sorry, Cryptic, but this is bullcrap. Only 5 ship models: BoP, Raptor, Vor'cha, Negh'Var, and Vo'Quv. Someone really needs to flesh this list out so that I don't have to go find someone to punch. The Feds are getting what looks to be over 20 distinct models, built around certain common elements and the Klinks are getting just 5 ship models that are merely tiered with differing configurations.

Klingons are getting 13 configurations (models). Bird of Prey and Raptor are types just like Battlecruisers is a type that encompasses the Vor'cha and Negh'Var.

[GreatBarrier86]

Wait a sec. The bird of prey. Is that supposed to be a K'Vort or a B'rel?...bc i think the BoP name is associated with the B'Rel, not the K'Vort.

[Morgomir]

Wait a sec. The bird of prey. Is that supposed to be a K'Vort or a B'rel?...bc i think the BoP name is associated with the B'Rel, not the K'Vort.

they are both types of Birds of Prey, the K'vort is a larger slower version of the original B'rel. there are several types of BoP you can get in game and the B'rel is likely the starting one.

[TruthSeer]

Wait a sec. The bird of prey. Is that supposed to be a K'Vort or a B'rel?...bc i think the BoP name is associated with the B'Rel, not the K'Vort.

Both of those are Birds of Prey.

[ransomwk]

5 BoPs, 4 Raptors, 3 Battle Cruisers, 1 Carrier.....odd, not how I would have done it but I can see how they'd go that way with it.


This means we now know what every Klingon ship looks like, since every BoP is aesthetically the same, I doubt there is much difference in the 4 Raptors, the IP itself has 4 cruisers which means one is being left out, and the Carrier has already been shown.

The IP shows Klingon cruisers as the D7 (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/D7_class), K't'inga (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/K%27t%27inga_class), Vor'cha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vor%27cha_class) and Negh'Var (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh%27Var_warship). With only 3 Cruisers being used in STO, one of them is being left out, and I'll bet it's either the D7 or K't'inga since they are visually so similar. This makes the D7/K'tinga T3, the Vor'cha T4, and Negh'Var T5.


I still wonder just what is the big difference between the BoPs and the Raptors. The only thing I can think of is that the Raptor is supposed to be a bridge between the all forward guns of a BoP and the more well rounded Battle Cruisers.

Given this, and the "it's a game not a sim" excuse that's been used to describe the game, I expect that the four T5 ships of the Klingon fleet to follow a general pattern of going from all forward facing weapons and very maneuverable with the BoP, to all around weapons and slow and ponderous with the Carrier. With the Raptor and Battle Cruiser being in between. This follows the same logic used in the weapon arcs, where stronger weapons have smaller arcs, and wider arcs mean less firepower. Larger ships then ought to be less maneuverable, and therefore more reliant on the weaker weapons with wider firing arcs.


Selecting your Klingon ship starts to sound like deciding if you want to be fast, fragile, and hard hitting...slow, tough, with good coverage, or somewhere on the spectrum in between the two extremes.

[knightofhyrule730]

So.

once again, I am correct. Like i have been saying, you will NOT be flying Gorn, Naussican etc race ships.

Zepath, your appology please?

As for the list. It sounds very interesting. I'm actually afraid if running into a group of T6 BOPs. They're going to be flying all over the place @_@

[Deyvid]

I can't say I'm entirely surprised by this. I have a bit of mixed feelings but at the same time I can understand it and even be fine with it.

While some are annoyed at the re-use of the BoP, I'm actually glad to have a BoP be a viable option at each tier, so the Klingon fans who love the BoP can stick with the BoP from beginning to end-game, and have thier BoP continually get better and better as they progress.

It would have sucked if we started in a BoP but then quickly out-leveled it so we'd have to be fly an old, lowbie ship just to be flying a BoP.

I love the BoP. There's a die-cast BoP sitting on top of my computer right now. :) I will definitely be flying some BoPs.

I will also look forward to flying the other classic, iconic Klingon ships. I'm interested in the Vo'Quv but also think that it's advantages may come with disadvantages that will lead to players using other ships and not everyone ending up in a Vo'Quv at end game.


We can blame Cryptic for being unimaginative, but at the same time can make that same blame on the Trek franchise itself for not giving Klingons a diverse range of ships.

Cryptic did a decent job with creating a new Klingon ship we never saw before (ship type and ship appearance).

It would be nice if they create one or two more Klingon ships, or the Gorn/Orion ones, and if we could customize our Klingon ships a bit, within a range so that it still looks Klingon. And giving the Gorn and Orions their own ship variants would be good too.

Overall I can't be down on Cryptic for following canon with the Klingon ships. And I kinda don't want to see odd looking Klingon ships, the way some of the customizable mix-and-match Fed ships look like crap to me because some parts don't go too well together.

[Tain]

My question then is will the klingons get *any* ability to visually customize their warships? Or will every bird of prey look exactly the same, as well as every Vor'cha?

[Spacemanspiff]

My question then is will the klingons get *any* ability to visually customize their warships? Or will every bird of prey look exactly the same, as well as every Vor'cha?

You would think so. Cryptic has said many times that you will be able to look at a ship and know what it is. So if we have 3 or 4 types of BoP's and Raptors, but they are different tiers, there must be some way to tell them apart.

[Tain]

You would think so. Cryptic has said many times that you will be able to look at a ship and know what it is. So if we have 3 or 4 types of BoP's and Raptors, but they are different tiers, there must be some way to tell them apart.

Well what I mean is like, take the federation ships. We have seen the same class of ship, say the Miranda, with several different texture options, glow configurations, lifeboat patterns, etc. Subtly different shaped rollbar/nacelles and what not. Its still obviously a miranda but can also be tailored someone to personal taste. Are the klingons going to get any of this, or is it going to be stock ships, just pick your race?

[Tirus]

So Klingons are the undertargs. Relish it. We are not all going to get what we want.

I enjoyed many of the Starfleet Command (SFC) mods because of the epic space battles and myriad variety of ships and races to choose from. Each race and ship had a unique fighting style which greatly added to sustaining interest and playability when facing the enemy. I would love to have Cryptic incorporate most of SFC1 or 2, (or 3 if forced), into STO space battles. Many of the SFC mods were incredible because of the vast number and variety of the ships you could fight with.

Having said that, if these are the type of Klingon ships we are handed by Cryptic at the start of STO, so be it. Trust me; there is nothing more enjoyable that taking on a horde of uber Federation ships with your lowly group of battle experienced Klingon veterans in outgunned buckets of bolts Birds of Prey and blasting the uber Feds into space dust.

That’s why I will be playing Romulan if STO ever adds Roms as a race. While the hordes of firmly established Federation and Klingons duke it out a small band of Romulans will suddenly uncloak off your port bow and show you why no one can hear you scream in space.

[USS_Parallax]

They specifically said that the Klingons have more high end ship options. The Federation has 6 Tier 5 (confirmed in an interview). This sounds like it means the Klingons have more than 6.

[Morgomir]

They specifically said that the Klingons have more high end ship options. The Federation has 6 Tier 5 (confirmed in an interview). This sounds like it means the Klingons have more than 6.

yes, which in the end is better because you will see more variety in the highest tier.

[tkmodified]

They specifically said that the Klingons have more high end ship options. The Federation has 6 Tier 5 (confirmed in an interview). This sounds like it means the Klingons have more than 6.

You would know. :p

[Spacemanspiff]

Well what I mean is like, take the federation ships. We have seen the same class of ship, say the Miranda, with several different texture options, glow configurations, lifeboat patterns, etc. Subtly different shaped rollbar/nacelles and what not. Its still obviously a miranda but can also be tailored someone to personal taste. Are the klingons going to get any of this, or is it going to be stock ships, just pick your race?

Well i would imagine you would be able to customize your ship on the Klingon side the same the Fedrats can. But i don't think they have specifically said that yet.

[Varrangian]

They specifically said that the Klingons have more high end ship options. The Federation has 6 Tier 5 (confirmed in an interview). This sounds like it means the Klingons have more than 6.

I think we have a situation here where "configurations" and "roles" are being confused. I think Klingons will have more roles (BoP, Raptor, Crusier, Carrier) to the Federations three.

[Kmpek]

when STO comes out, i will happily unlock the klingon faction for my chance to bring glory to the empire!

to do this, i require a bat'leth. it matters not that my bat'leth looks the same as the one the warrior next to me wields. i need not many different bat'leths to choose from, nor different colors of bat'leths at my disposal. i am Klingon, and whatever weapon is in my hand will be embedded in the chests of my enemies, until such day my blade breaks and i join my brethren in Sto'vo'kor.

if i want my choice of the prettiest ship in the intergalactic beauty contest, i would join the federation. long live the klingon empire!

[Kayos]

I kind of like the way they are doing the Klingon Ships :) BoP for me!

[Faerlzress]

Actually the part I am trying to figure out is how the Engineer, Science and Tactical fit into this? On the feds it is very obvious but on the Klingons do all the archtypes fly a Bird of Prey that is modified for their focus?

I would guess the Birds of Prey would be Tactical.
The larger ships would be the Cruisers? Focus on boarding parties?
And where is the science?

[Tain]

Actually the part I am trying to figure out is how the Engineer, Science and Tactical fit into this? On the feds it is very obvious but on the Klingons do all the archtypes fly a Bird of Prey that is modified for their focus?

I would guess the Birds of Prey would be Tactical.
The larger ships would be the Cruisers? Focus on boarding parties?
And where is the science?

I think the rough equivalent to science for the klingons is their carrier ship. Probably uses fighters and their abilities in place of the science ship abilities.

[Faerlzress]

I think the rough equivalent to science for the klingons is their carrier ship. Probably uses fighters and their abilities in place of the science ship abilities.

So science officers won't have a ship for several ranks? Or did I misunderstand the interview?

[Tain01]

Is it wrong for me to want the K'Tinga to last all the way through Tier 5?

[Spacemanspiff]

Is it wrong for me to want the K'Tinga to last all the way through Tier 5?

Nope, it is an awesome ship. i will be getting one for sure.

[Tain]

Is it wrong for me to want the K'Tinga to last all the way through Tier 5?

I am in the same boat. :(

Want it, know it won't work. Oh how I wish it would.

I am actually more afraid that the K't'inga isn't even in the game. All we have see so far is the D7. Its all thats been mentioned, and the only one that has shown up in the screen shots.

I know alot of people do not care about the klingon battlecruiser or its lineage but dangit, its like taking a TOS connie over the refit. The k't'inga just looks so much better than the old D7.

Also, I am agreeing with MY OWN CLONE!

+1, just noticed that. :D

[Eclipse1987]

with Klingon's having more high end ships this tells me that Klingons will more than likely be dominate in end game lvl pvp.

I'm not sure how I feel about that...

On one hand the Federation will in all likely hood outnumber the KDF by a large number, however if the forums are any indication a large number of Federation players fall behind carebear lines and in addition with the pvp focus KDF will probably not only have more pvp players but more skilled pvp'ers.

Definetly some food for thought...

[Interdictor]

Yea Klingons get less ships than the Federation. More good news. :(
This is accurate according to canon. You can count on one hand the different klingon ship clases we have seen on screen.

That said - while they may look the same on the outside, their abilities will likely be determined by their crew and installed equipment.

[Interdictor]

sorry man but my list is better

Sorry man, but Slingblades didn't make his up. It's based off of a recent dev interview.

[The_Padre]

My question then is will the klingons get *any* ability to visually customize their warships? Or will every bird of prey look exactly the same, as well as every Vor'cha?

We've already seen one BoP with different engines in one of the recent "The Future Past" videos.

[MeinLeibenFurGott]

yeah not sure how I feel about the game...but having my post edited...gay. Puh Puh Puh pleeeez. Give me all the infraction points you want, by all means, eliminate your customer base. Oh snap did I just call out a mod, I guess I did.

[Tain01]

The Klingon Empire isn't some damn utopian idea, it's a grim but determined entity built and sustained by the blood of warriors.

A wise man once said, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. If this forum is a reflection of the size of the fight in the Klingon faction, then I'd say we've lost before it's even begun.
I'll go and enjoy the things about this game that are good. You want a perfect society? Join the Federation. You want to be a real man and fight, be a Klingon...so yeah

This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines. Thank you, Dionaea

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Also, I am agreeing with MY OWN CLONE!

+1, just noticed that. :D

Hey, you're the clone, not me!

I was unaware that the K'Tinga wasn't even in the game yet. Major disappointment, I'm right there with you hoping it gets put in. Hopefully gameplay will be such that you can still play it at Tier 5 without getting USS Make-Some-Stuff-Up'ed.

[ChristopherC]

The Klingon Empire isn't some damn utopian idea, it's a grim but determined entity built and sustained by the blood of warriors.

A wise man once said, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. If this forum is a reflection of the size of the fight in the Klingon faction, then I'd say we've lost before it's even begun.
I'll go and enjoy the things about this game that are good. You want a perfect society? Join the Federation. You want to be a real man and fight, be a Klingon...so yeah

This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines. Thank you, Dionaea.


ARE YOU ON DRUGS MAN? To be warrior don’t mean been ignorant or been short on brain cells.

[Tain01]

ARE YOU ON DRUGS MAN? To be warrior don’t mean been ignorant or been short on brain cells.

Please don't let him succeed by responding to it as if it were a real post. It's just bad form, especially with so poor an attempt. I think it may have even been a prefabrication.

[MeinLeibenFurGott]

@ Mr. Chris, please do tell, what does being a warrior entail? Does it include logging onto the STO forums to complain about not getting things exactly the way you wanted? Does it include complaining about everything little detail you find less than to your liking? OR...I dare imagine it might mean seeing a unfavorable situation, taking a nice healthy does of suck it the **** up, picking up your weapon whatever it may be and meeting your enemy in battle.

[MeinLeibenFurGott]

when STO comes out, i will happily unlock the klingon faction for my chance to bring glory to the empire!

to do this, i require a bat'leth. it matters not that my bat'leth looks the same as the one the warrior next to me wields. i need not many different bat'leths to choose from, nor different colors of bat'leths at my disposal. i am Klingon, and whatever weapon is in my hand will be embedded in the chests of my enemies, until such day my blade breaks and i join my brethren in Sto'vo'kor.

if i want my choice of the prettiest ship in the intergalactic beauty contest, i would join the federation. long live the klingon empire!

Here's an example of what the warrior spirit looks like.

[MeinLeibenFurGott]

So Klingons are the undertargs. Relish it. We are not all going to get what we want.

I enjoyed many of the Starfleet Command (SFC) mods because of the epic space battles and myriad variety of ships and races to choose from. Each race and ship had a unique fighting style which greatly added to sustaining interest and playability when facing the enemy. I would love to have Cryptic incorporate most of SFC1 or 2, (or 3 if forced), into STO space battles. Many of the SFC mods were incredible because of the vast number and variety of the ships you could fight with.

Having said that, if these are the type of Klingon ships we are handed by Cryptic at the start of STO, so be it. Trust me; there is nothing more enjoyable that taking on a horde of uber Federation ships with your lowly group of battle experienced Klingon veterans in outgunned buckets of bolts Birds of Prey and blasting the uber Feds into space dust.

That’s why I will be playing Romulan if STO ever adds Roms as a race. While the hordes of firmly established Federation and Klingons duke it out a small band of Romulans will suddenly uncloak off your port bow and show you why no one can hear you scream in space.

so even Romulans disguised as Klingons can have balls :)
now if we can only get rid of the Federation hippies disguised as Klingons.

[duckforceone]

i give you.. the refined list of what it feels like

Tier 1

Light Cruiser
Bird of Prey (B'rel-class)

Tier 2

Science Vessel
Escort
Cruiser

Bird of Prey (copy paste +1 to all stats)
Raptor

Tier 3

Research Science Vessel
Heavy Escort
Heavy Cruiser

Bird of Prey (copy paste +2 to all stats)
Raptor (copy paste +1 to all stats)
Battle Cruiser

Tier 4

Long Range Science Vessel
Tactical Escort
Exploration Cruiser

Bird of Prey (copy paste +3 to all stats)
Raptor (copy paste +2 to all stats)
Battle Cruiser (copy paste +1 to all stats)


Tier 5

Deep Space Science Vessel
Fleet Escort
Battle Cruiser

Bird of Prey(K'Vort Class) (copy paste +4 to all stats)
Raptor (Vor'cha class) (copy paste +3 to all stats)
Battle Cruiser (Negh'Var class) (copy paste +2 to all stats)
Carrier (Vo'Quv class)


c'mon cryptic... are you truly building the klingon's to fail?

mainly pvp only content.. will it even be possible for pve players to play klingons without being forced into pvp?
and 4 ship types for klingons... with the other types just copy pasted basically...

no wonder most people are going for the federation...

[Hseeker]

its not copy paste
its copy paste enlarge =D
But yeah, klingonship list is weaksauce

[evan.is.weyoun]

I like how Cryptic is going to force PvE players who vehemently want to play Klingons to play a Fedrat character. It's so totally awesome.

For all you that said Hagon was a doomsayer, looks like your mouths are wired shut. The Klingon faction is, right now, epic fail.

[bullhead2007]

I am possibly playing Klingon as my main and Fed casually, and I don't see the problem with this list. It's still not complete and for those complaining about the lack in variety, have you watched Star Trek? The Klingons have been using the same BoP and Raptor designs for like 200 years. It would seem they just reconfigure/reoutfit their ships instead of designing a new ship every 10 years like the Fed.

I hope the list grows, but really it's not like Cryptic has a lot of diversity to work with for Klingon ships.

Meh I'm probably saying this to deaf ears. Seems like people always have something to complain about. No one ever seems satisfied here.

[Acacios]

This is so great, what Cryptic has done. Perhaps out of a limited schedule to get the game out the door, but it couldn't have fallen so well into place.

The limited and frankly totalitism culture of canon Klingon's is so fitting here with this ship list. The constant struggle and singular vision in how to accomplish their ends. We'll probably see more ships as new content arrives in the future, but what an epic opening, truly!

This is really a faction fitting the canon culture of klingon society. No (or very little) Carebear PvE content. Constant in-house power struggles and the ever present skirmishes with the Federation, makes for great PvP content.

A true hardcore Klingon players game.

I do have to concur with some other posters. if you want sedate PvE content, and lots of pretty looking, and individual ships. You really are planning on playing the wrong faction.

I do like the direction cryptic has taken, where forced on them, or by design. It's bold and i hope succeeds to stand the test of time.

Qapla'

[bullhead2007]

This is so great, what Cryptic has done. Perhaps out of a limited schedule to get the game out the door, but it couldn't have fallen so well into place.

The limited and frankly totalitism culture of canon Klingon's is so fitting here with this ship list. The constant struggle and singular vision in how to accomplish their ends. We'll probably see more ships as new content arrives in the future, but what an epic opening, truly!

This is really a faction fitting the canon culture of klingon society. No (or very little) Carebear PvE content. Constant in-house power struggles and the ever present skirmishes with the Federation, makes for great PvP content.

A true hardcore Klingon players game.

I do have to concur with some other posters. if you want sedate PvE content, and lots of pretty looking, and individual ships. You really are planning on playing the wrong faction.

I do like the direction cryptic has taken, where forced on them, or by design. It's bold and i hope succeeds to stand the test of time.

Qapla'


I agree with this post. I really didn't expect hardcore Klingon people to react like this. I expected them to react like this if the gameplay was exactly like the Feds, because that would NOT be Klingon. It just seems too ironic.

I hope these people are more pleased as more info comes, because I would like to fight along side some honorable Klingon warriors.

Qapla'!

[Kayos]

I agree with this post. I really didn't expect hardcore Klingon people to react like this. I expected them to react like this if the gameplay was exactly like the Feds, because that would NOT be Klingon. It just seems too ironic.

I hope these people are more pleased as more info comes, because I would like to fight along side some honorable Klingon warriors.

Qapla'!


They obviously aren't hardcore Klingon people :)

[Rosebud]

Kilingon ships have always been limited in appearance. That aspect is reflected in what they are offering.
As far as "copy/paste +1", how much different do you expect it to be for the federation? How different will a heavy escort be from an escort? More differences in appearance, perhaps, but not the performance.
Maybe one day we will see Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships, but for now, this is what there is, and what there is falls in line with the source material.

As for this...
Well what I mean is like, take the federation ships. We have seen the same class of ship, say the Miranda, with several different texture options, glow configurations, lifeboat patterns, etc. Subtly different shaped rollbar/nacelles and what not. Its still obviously a miranda but can also be tailored someone to personal taste. Are the klingons going to get any of this, or is it going to be stock ships, just pick your race?
... I fully expect the Klingons to be able to make those sorts of changes to their ships. The full extent will be revealed in time, but I in no way expect that every tier three whatever will look like every other tier three whatever.
There will be something that you will be able to modify, I am sure. I am just not sure what or how many somethings it will be.

[mprhead]

I am happy to have 5 teirs of BOP. it makes me happy in pants

[ShadowStalker]

I like the BoP also in each tier. However now im curious what kind of "classes" we can have. Feds have Tact,Science and Engineer. What do us Klingons get? Guess i have to wait for the PR cycle.

And also ofcourse to see the final Ship of the Line update and hopefully they will add screens for each ships with different customasations (sorry if its spelled wrong but hey im from holland :p ). So that we will have a idea how its played out

[torrmega]

Acctually, there is a flaw here; it has been stated that Klingon's will have acces to ships of the gorn, nausicans etc. whilst they may have scrapped this it would fill the gaps in diversity and number of ship's.

[crinaya]

They've said that they're very interested in mixing the various ships and player roles. Tactical doesn't mean you need to be in an escort and Science doesn't mean only Science vessels are useful to you.

I think we'll see this expressed even more in the Klingon faction. Instead of using specialized ships, you'll be using more generalized ships and specializing yourself.

[Kayos]

Acctually, there is a flaw here; it has been stated that Klingon's will have acces to ships of the gorn, nausicans etc.

I don't think that was ever stated by Cryptic. Do you have a quote?

[Azurian]

I like the BoP also in each tier. However now im curious what kind of "classes" we can have. Feds have Tact,Science and Engineer. What do us Klingons get? Guess i have to wait for the PR cycle.

My guess Klingon Classes would be:

Warrior
Tactician
Technician (Someone has to repair the darned ships).

[USS_Parallax]

I hope the BoPs and stuff LOOK somewhat different at least and aren't just resized versions of the exact same models.

[Paulo999]

sorry man but my list is better

tear 1

Light curser of some BoP variant or D7

tear 2

Raptor Scout
Bird of Pray
D7 Assault

tear 3

NuQ'Duj
KolothChava'kal
Chuq'Beh

tear 4

(BoP Refit)
Vor'Cha Cruiser
SuQ'Jagh

Tear 5

Fek'Lhr
Negh'Var
Vo'Quv

majority of them i haven ever heard of before.. besides.. they could of given the klingons the Gorn,Orion and Nausican ships too.

[jatanis]

Honestly I can't say i'm too surprised. Though I was expecting to see a Fek'lhr class from the Armada games and SFC3. At least that would have been SOMETHING original.

[rick273]

Acctually, there is a flaw here; it has been stated that Klingon's will have acces to ships of the gorn, nausicans etc. whilst they may have scrapped this it would fill the gaps in diversity and number of ship's.

I don't think that was ever stated by Cryptic. Do you have a quote?

"There is additional diversity in ship customization on the Klingon side because the different species' (Klingons, Gorn, Orion, etc.) ships are very different from each other. [CZ10]"Craig Zinkievich interview, March 2009

I hope that the name bird of prey does not limit us to Klingon bird of prey ...maybe we have a klingon bop and a nausican bop ... etc etc ...

hope so cos If the previous posts are correct we dont have 13 configurations ... we have like 5 ... just the model gets bigger ... very very poor if thats all.

And with the ships for Gorn, Nausicans and orions actaully IN the game (we have seen em in the vids etc) ... why not give us access as promised! It wouldn't be hard to have one of each tier to be a ship from that race ... or maybe with the gorn ones being at the top of the bigger end ... and the nausican ones at the smaller end?

I'll be very disapointed if Cryptic palms us off with 6 hull shapes (all klingon) of different sizes :(

(there goes my Beta invite :( )

Rik

[Azurian]

Be interesting what Cryptic Raptor and BoP Varients end up as. I'm still nervous they are just scaled up versions of the smaller ships.

It's not hard for them to come up with new ships. I'm finishing up sketches on a Klingon BoP that's different than the classic BoP. And a new Battlecruiser that's similar to the D7/ K't'inga, but 2x larger and much meaner looking.


majority of them i haven ever heard of before.. besides.. they could of given the klingons the Gorn,Orion and Nausican ships too.

Most of those namesw you don't recognize are ships that was made up for the Armada series.

Cryptic obviously won't use those, because of copyrights.

[Zeroth]

/me turns on Cryptic Translator

Configuration: A ship with a unique arrangement of numbers of seats, weapon slots, engine slots, power capabilities, and armor.

/me turns off Cryptic translator.

Each BoP will have different(better) capabilities than the one previous. So it is a different configuration.

[rick273]

/me turns on Cryptic Translator

Configuration: A ship with a unique arrangement of numbers of seats, weapon slots, engine slots, power capabilities, and armor.

/me turns off Cryptic translator.

Each BoP will have different(better) capabilities than the one previous. So it is a different configuration.

yeah but what we are talking about here is the hull shapes ... all federation ships have very similar elements ... all klingon ones do to etc etc ...thats fine ... but the klingon faction is made up of distinct races which each have very distinct looking ships, differences that have been promised in the factions playable ships.

so its not enough for a configuration to have more slots etc its about the look of the ship.

Rik

[MeinLeibenFurGott]

I much rather they work on putting a good game together right now and worry about releasing different skins for Klingon ships at a later date

[Musterion]

It was mentioned somewhere that Klingons should get Gorn/Nausicaan/Orion options to their ships (like how Feds can choose between say Defiant, Gallant, and Vigilant, Klingons can pick between a BoP and an equivalent ship of an allied race's design.

[Deltab]

I can't even begin to tell you how disappointed I am in this list. If the Vo'Quv is the most powerful ship it basically ensures that every end game Klingon will be experiencing their "social gameplay?" (PvP) in one ship and one ship only.

I say this because if you do not have a carrier at every tier (or at least every tier above 1) you can never find the right balance and it will either be over powered or underpowered. Given the size of the thing I'm more likely to go with overpowered.

Who said that the Vo'Quv is the most powerful ship? It has fighters yes, does that make it more powerful? Its more like our only equivalent to science ships. I'd bet that a Negh'Var puts out a heck of a lot more firepower(dps) then the Vo'Quv and perhaps the tier 5 raider would have even high dps and less defence.

That said it is lame that there is only 1 carrier while the feds get so many science ships. that is the sad part. Until we hit the end game, if we pvp level, we will do so against the same 1-2 ships until we are higher level.

Just don't forget that big does not mean powerful. In SWG there were gunships that had like 6 turrets if i remember. Each shot could in theory destroy an enemy fighter. How well did these gunships do in pvp? They lasted about 2-8 seconds once shot at. It is a difference system, but just keep that in mind.

What is going to be interesting is that they are going to have to balance every klingon ship against each other(in the same tier), and then in addition against each federation ship of similar tier. That leaves me a little nervious.

[slingbladez]

It was mentioned somewhere that Klingons should get Gorn/Nausicaan/Orion options to their ships (like how Feds can choose between say Defiant, Gallant, and Vigilant, Klingons can pick between a BoP and an equivalent ship of an allied race's design.

With the amount of Klingon ships mentioned i don't know how likely that will be. I think it's more likely we'll be able to have klingon ships with some parts of the other races.

[Loekii]

With the amount of Klingon ships mentioned i don't know how likely that will be. I think it's more likely we'll be able to have klingon ships with some parts of the other races.

That is how I read it as well.

[Wryce]

I actually like the idea of going BoP all the way, that only makes you have more feel for your ship in the end. :)

[Loekii]

I actually like the idea of going BoP all the way, that only makes you have more feel for your ship in the end. :)

I think alot of Klingon players will like that approach as well.

[rick273]

I think alot of Klingon players will like that approach as well.

yeah but what about the gorn players ... and the nausicans and the orions.

The federation was always meant to be one unified image for many races ... its kind of the whole idea ... peaceful unification.

but Klingons .. and their allies??? ...
1) its all happened very recently
2) its not all lovey dovey and we are all playing while holding hands ... they are warriors, pirates, slavers and proud people.

It just does not fit AT ALL for gorn to be piloting a klingon ship when a handful of years ago those very ships were bombarding their worlds!!!! Logocally Klingons just would not trust them with the command of their ships ... I mean would you think the us army would start giving the iraq forces US military hardwear ... its been about the same number of years?

Can we get a Dev post to clear this up. will we be getting the race specific ships as promised by CZ or has Cryptic dropped that idea?

pretty please

Rik

[Loekii]

Can we get a Dev post to clear this up. will we be getting the race specific ships as promised by CZ.

Where was this ever promised? Do you have a link?

[Musterion]

With the amount of Klingon ships mentioned i don't know how likely that will be. I think it's more likely we'll be able to have klingon ships with some parts of the other races.

I'd be OK with that I think, at least it's more variation for those that want it.

[rick273]

Where was this ever promised? Do you have a link?

'There is additional diversity in ship customization on the Klingon side because the different species' (Klingons, Gorn, Orion, etc.) ships are very different from each other. [CZ10]'

Now I read that to mean that we are to be able to play our race of ships. but is it the same is 'DEV-SPEAK'??

rik