Therory on why species 8472

[Fatherfungus]

If the species 8472 is out and about causing war...there might be a reason. They may know
that the borg are going to make a come back and fig. the best way to prep all races for it
is to have them already in a state of war.

Then by thier calculations, when the borg show up, they will all kiss and make-up and kill off the borg
threat.

of course....they miscalculate in some way.

[Laphtiya]

If the species 8472 is out and about causing war...there might be a reason. They may know
that the borg are going to make a come back and fig. the best way to prep all races for it
is to have them already in a state of war.

Then by thier calculations, when the borg show up, they will all kiss and make-up and kill off the borg
threat.

of course....they miscalculate in some way.

Didn't they state in Voyager that they wanted to end all life in "normal" space not just the Borg.l

[Sheeba]

Didn't they state in Voyager that they wanted to end all life in "normal" space not just the Borg.l

sheeba is making a list and checking it twice :O

[saint100]

Yeah, Kes (?) saw that. I'm afraid they're definitely bad guys..!

[Sheeba]

Yeah, Kes (?) saw that. I'm afraid they're definitely bad guys..!

only from the fed/klingon point of view :O to them were the bad guys :D

[Fatherfungus]

Voyager met the species....TWICE

the second time they came to an amicable agreement

I think Janeway's first officer slept with one as well ;)
ahhh deplomacy

[VainEldritch]

While I agree that there is nothing more likely to knock some sense into the warring factions than a common foe who is so dangerous it can utterly destroy any individual faction, thus force an alliance on them - I think you are accrediting 8472 too much alturism.

They would be more likely to use the races in "our" space as a buffer against the Borg or as a brick-bat to hit them with first to see how hard they have to try.

[masonburrell]

perhaps when a enxspansion comes out this will be the New Big bad guys! or perhaps they are manupulating the nations to all be weaken when they attack!

[VanCaptain]

The Borg (assimilating ebil peoples these) invade Specied 8472 space, they retaliate... Voyager assists the Borg and creates Biogenic weapon's...

So who is the "bad guy"?

[dobiesteven]

Im not sure if them being a huge bad guy is possible with the federation, after all janeway made an alliance or non attack pack with them, unless that breaks down i dont see them really being an issue, unless something happens with the borg and they show up, but the klingons as we just saw in the future past video, they tried to infultrate the high command, so i can see a major battle with the klingons but not so much the federation. Maybe the federation will have an equal enemy that is unknown as of yet...after all space is huge Species 8472 cant be the only super power greater than the borg...thats just my thoughts

[Summit]

Well i Know that in Voyager the reason they were trying to infiltrate the federation was because voyager helped the borg create the weapon which would destroy them. Species 8472 believed that the federation gave voyager the order to create the weapon.

[dobiesteven]

Well i Know that in Voyager the reason they were trying to infiltrate the federation was because voyager helped the borg create the weapon which would destroy them. Species 8472 believed that the federation gave voyager the order to create the weapon.

But it was all explained the second time they met up, when the created the replica of starfleet acadamy, and thats where chekota slept with an alien lol and they made the deal after some plot action and the useual show stuff

[Azurian]

Well i Know that in Voyager the reason they were trying to infiltrate the federation was because voyager helped the borg create the weapon which would destroy them. Species 8472 believed that the federation gave voyager the order to create the weapon.

Indeed, they viewed the Federation as a threat.

Guess the Boothby group wasn't successful in conveying the news that Voyager wasn't working under orders from the Federation. :(




The one thing that irks me is that they are saying 8472 is an "Ancient Threat", when there has been no mention of them in canon as being "ancient".

[Fatherfungus]

cryptic said there would be an enemy from the past...species 8472 is not really from the past....
from the past would more likely mean from the original series or at most, the next gen.

but, hey...could be wrong.

[Summit]

But it was all explained the second time they met up, when the created the replica of starfleet acadamy, and thats where chekota slept with an alien lol and they made the deal after some plot action and the useual show stuff

Yes but if you remember boothby said that he would try and convey the message, but he gave no guarantees that anybody would listen to him

[shokurai]

cryptic said there would be an enemy from the past...species 8472 is not really from the past....
from the past would more likely mean from the original series or at most, the next gen.

but, hey...could be wrong.

ya i tend to agree, it very well could be something 'from the past' that was referenced from TNG shows or any newer ones, but considering its a big cliffhanger to keep us interested, i would think they would need some significant canon material to draw from, so original series threat that might have carried over into newer shows seems more likely , but at any rate, can't be too new and species 8472 frankly is too new, but hey bring um on would spice up the game

[Grox]

Yes but if you remember boothby said that he would try and convey the message, but he gave no guarantees that anybody would listen to him

That's exactly how I remember it. So I assume 8472Boothby had no success.

[Grox]

cryptic said there would be an enemy from the past...species 8472 is not really from the past....
from the past would more likely mean from the original series or at most, the next gen.

but, hey...could be wrong.

It's been over 30 years since anyone heard from species 8472, so that could constitute as the past.

[shadows802]

30 years isnt ancient -Iconian,Tkron, hurq, Preservers those are ancient Empires that the current factions replaced. I Imagine this ancient threat has to be at least pre-TNG or one of the archaeological species in tng

Plus they said that its something that we'll have to uncover so Species 8472 cant be it becasue thheir already known to be running amok in 2409. It's going to be some species that we'll all be like"OHHH its them" and we'll all feel really stupid for not knowing it.

[tubaguy83]

I'm still putting money on the parasites from TNG, or the Hur'q.

[Commander_Nate]

The Future Past vids that involved them sounded almost like a carbon copy of the prelude leading to the Dominion War.

They are probably trying to sow chaos and weakness ahead of some kind of operation in the Milky Way. It's an interesting idea, I just hope they add some more to it so that it's not DS9: Part II

[Paulo999]

30 years isnt ancient -Iconian,Tkron, hurq, Preservers those are ancient Empires that the current factions replaced. I Imagine this ancient threat has to be at least pre-TNG or one of the archaeological species in tng

Plus they said that its something that we'll have to uncover so Species 8472 cant be it becasue thheir already known to be running amok in 2409. It's going to be some species that we'll all be like"OHHH its them" and we'll all feel really stupid for not knowing it.

maybe 8472 were responsible for the Iconian,thron, hurqs destruction :O

[Kazzy]

I'm going for the iconians

[Azurian]

maybe 8472 were responsible for the Iconian,thron, hurqs destruction :O

Got to admit, that is one hell of an interesting twist.

It could easily been explained that the 8472's species became Xenophobic because of them.

[nagash303]

Everybody for themselves right? That goes for the Feds, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengie, and for 8472 too. I dont see them helping anybody to prepare for war against whomever, I see them weakening the klingons and other warrior races who just *might be a threat some day. Its a preemptive strike if you want. Klingons live for fighting anyways, they just gave them what they wanted.

Ancient thread you ask? Suliban, Romulans, Voth. these are my guesses.

[Durakken]

8472's introduction... here's what they said....

The weak shall be iradicated.
The Milky Way is too close to their galaxy and it and the pople in it are impure...

So hostile? Yeah. See I forgot how they originally acted because I remember the Boothby episode but the original episode has them clearly being evil

[drunkclam]

Yes, I read the left hand of destiny books that follow martok after the dominion war, and those match what the hurq in the book were described as. Those Hurq were actually manipulated clones of hurq, bred to be strong but dumb. These Hurq might be the real deal. Especially if they are also responsible for taking over the Gorn prior to their war with the Klingon.

[kkmccall]

I'm going for the iconians


I just had to look them up on Memory Alpha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Demons_of_Air_and_Darkness) to know who they were.

This 'Ancient Threat', in my opinion is not likely to be some obscure race from some obscure novel that only serious Trek fans would know. :eek:

Unless the Dev's mention this 'Ancient Threat' specifically for hardcore Star Trek fans, then I am more inclined to think it may be something either from The Original Series (TOS) or The Next Generation (TNG). Simply so that even people like me, who don't know a great deal of Trek, can appreciate this 'threat'.

Are they, perhaps, talking about 'Ancient' as in Kirk's time or a well known ancient race, like the Q?

I am aware there has been mention that the GM's may take on the mantle of the Q, but has this been 100% confirmed?

I grew up with TOS, have seen maybe 2 seasons of TNG, about a dozen DS9 episodes & more recently (thanks to Youtube) two dozen Voyager episodes. (Just watched the Episode of Voyager - In The Flesh (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/In_the_Flesh_%28episode%29) on Youtube following the remarks in this thread about Chakotay being intimate with a member of 8472 - he only kissed her).

So, what I am saying is maybe you are looking too deeply into this.

[squidheadjax]

I'm expecting it's the Parasites, personally. Though could be the Hurq.

[Drake1444]

I don't think that they are species 8472. Their ships were incredibly powerful so why sneak around like they were Dominion changelings? Yes, Voyager had the nanoprobe weapon but after all this time, 8472 should have been able to come up with a defense; Janeway let them study it after all.

[Snapshot_9]

i highly doubt its species 8472... there not ancient and there not from this space... there from fluidic space.
And as I'm aware a returning ancient threat would be from our galaxies past.

[zantars]

hmm what about the sulaban they coud shape change and they have been aroud for ages werent they part of te temperal time war ?

[Paulo999]

hmm what about the sulaban they coud shape change and they have been aroud for ages werent they part of te temperal time war ?

doubt they could grow a third leg