View Full Version : STO Beta info(An no it is not in game stuff but about the Lifetime/6 month subs)
Look, I don't want to get into an argument about this, but I highly doubt anyone who was considering canceling their lifetime subscription only kept it because they thought they'd get into STO beta on Day One Period Exclamation Point. Those players are still being given priority, and will be in Closed Beta long before the vast majority of applicants ever see a hope of getting in. We just don't have the capability to let everyone who bought a Lifetime subscription into Closed Beta yesterday. We'll continually roll out invites as our servers can handle the load. And Lifetime/6 Month players will be among the first to see the game.
An if you would like to see the post go here:
http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=1302973
njdss4
10-24-2009, 09:31 AM
People are getting annoyed because they PAID to get into Closed Beta. Nothing here can go smoothly because Cryptic doesn't have to do anything because it's BETA. Companies need to stop offering Closed Beta spots through paid offers. It just leads to stuff like this where people go nuts that they're not in the day Closed Beta starts.
Besides, Closed Betas these days aren't Betas. The game is pretty much done, aside from letting the players find the last few creative ways to crash the game. Companies used to release their MMOs at this point, but since word-of-mouth can destroy a game, they tip-toe around for longer than they should to keep their initial subscriber base high. The system is broken, and Cryptic isn't doing anything to fix it. They are, in fact, doing everything they can to profit off of players lack of patience and fat wallets.
People are getting annoyed because they PAID to get into Closed Beta. Nothing here can go smoothly because Cryptic doesn't have to do anything because it's BETA. Companies need to stop offering Closed Beta spots through paid offers. It just leads to stuff like this where people go nuts that they're not in the day Closed Beta starts.
Besides, Closed Betas these days aren't Betas. The game is pretty much done, aside from letting the players find the last few creative ways to crash the game. Companies used to release their MMOs at this point, but since word-of-mouth can destroy a game, they tip-toe around for longer than they should to keep their initial subscriber base high. The system is broken, and Cryptic isn't doing anything to fix it. They are, in fact, doing everything they can to profit off of players lack of patience and fat wallets.
you are right they should have never did the offer but they did an now we have to put up with people crying I DID NOT GET IN.
Huutini
10-24-2009, 09:45 AM
I still think a lot of this happened, because Star TRek is such a big lore, that a LOT of casual people came in, who probably never played any MMO before, don't know much about closed Betas and hence took the offer with completely wrong expecatations. I'm not saying everyone, I'm not even saying people attendant. But Star Trek isn't some niché game for hardcore MMO Players. I'm pretty sure, there have been many CO-Sub buyers who never had a clue about what a Closed Beta even is...
And that, in my opinion, added a lot to the - stuff going on around here the last two days.
jamestpicard55
10-24-2009, 09:54 AM
This whole situation is ridiculous. Cryptic should never have done it, but since they did, they should honor their word on how it would be done. Even though the person on the CO forums have have spoken prematurely, our Devs here on the STO forums said that is probably how it would happen.
_Pax_
10-24-2009, 10:04 AM
This whole situation is ridiculous. Cryptic should never have done it, but since they did, they should honor their word on how it would be done. Even though the person on the CO forums have have spoken prematurely, our Devs here on the STO forums said that is probably how it would happen.
^^^^^ This ^^^^^
In mile-high letters, lit with forty billion neon strobe lights, and accompanied by the fanfare of a thousand Klingon orchestras.
Draighwulf
10-24-2009, 10:10 AM
This whole situation is ridiculous. Cryptic should never have done it, but since they did, they should honor their word on how it would be done. Even though the person on the CO forums have have spoken prematurely, our Devs here on the STO forums said that is probably how it would happen.
No
If they need to test a certain range of specs then they should do that, yes if there's not a need to do that (or there's room once they've filled those slots) draw from the competition winners and those CO subscribers who took advantage of the offer. By all means if it's a case of numbers give those promised a slot a priority. But don't compromise testing what needs testing just to make a few people happy who can't understand that mistakes can happen and are more concerned with testing/playing the game first than in the game being the best it can be
daymanas
10-24-2009, 10:12 AM
No
If they need to test a certain range of specs then they should do that, yes if there's not a need to do that (or there's room once they've filled those slots) draw from the competition winners and those CO subscribers who took advantage of the offer. By all means if it's a case of numbers give those promised a slot a priority. But don't compromise testing what needs testing just to make a few people happy who can't understand that mistakes can happen and are more concerned with testing/playing the game first than in the game being the best it can be
if the group of people who bought the deals is really as large is it seems, then logic dictates they could find the specs they need within that group.
slingbladez
10-24-2009, 10:13 AM
This whole situation is ridiculous. Cryptic should never have done it, but since they did, they should honor their word on how it would be done. Even though the person on the CO forums have have spoken prematurely, our Devs here on the STO forums said that is probably how it would happen.
Please stop misinterpreting what Rekhan said. He said you would get in before random applicants, not before firends and family etc.
Rekhan didn't say it was probable they would get in first he said "likely be giving lifetime and six-month account holders access ahead of standard applicants.". He didn't say that CO subs would get in before friends and family and others who typically get in at the start of Closed Betas. Standard applicants are when they randomly pick people based on their system specs and other things. Right now "invites are currently being sent to our CO lifetime and six-month promotional subscribers" and "Cryptic / Atari friends and family, contest winners" and only a few regular signups.
So if you look at that quote they are only letting in few standard applicants which stands true to Rekhans statement on Sept 13th that "likely be giving lifetime and six-month account holders access ahead of standard applicants." They need that little portion of random applicants to "ensure we get testing across the board".
Also if you look closely at Daeke's statement yesterday he said the same thing Rekhan(The actual STO PR Rep) said on September 13. Stormshade also said the same thing about CO subs getting in before the vast majority of random applicants(not all of them)
Of course, invites are currently being sent to our CO lifetime and six-month promotional subscribers, they will continue to be sent to them until they are all in the beta test. We will also continue inviting remaining Cryptic / Atari friends and family, contest winners, and a few regular signups to ensure we get testing across the board.
Look, I don't want to get into an argument about this, but I highly doubt anyone who was considering canceling their lifetime subscription only kept it because they thought they'd get into STO beta on Day One Period Exclamation Point. Those players are still being given priority, and will be in Closed Beta long before the vast majority of applicants ever see a hope of getting in. We just don't have the capability to let everyone who bought a Lifetime subscription into Closed Beta yesterday. We'll continually roll out invites as our servers can handle the load. And Lifetime/6 Month players will be among the first to see the game.
Please misinterpreting what Rekhan said. He said you would get in before random applicants, not before firends and family etc.
Rekhan didn't say it was probable they would get in first he said "likely be giving lifetime and six-month account holders access ahead of standard applicants.". He didn't say that CO subs would get in before friends and family and others who typically get in at the start of Closed Betas. Standard applicants are when they randomly pick people based on their system specs and other things. Right now "invites are currently being sent to our CO lifetime and six-month promotional subscribers" and "Cryptic / Atari friends and family, contest winners" and only a few regular signups.
So if you look at that quote they are only letting in few standard applicants which stands true to Rekhans statement on Sept 13th that "likely be giving lifetime and six-month account holders access ahead of standard applicants." They need that little portion of random applicants to "ensure we get testing across the board".
Also if you look closely at Daeke's statement yesterday he said the same thing Rekhan(The actual STO PR Rep) said on September 13. Stormshade also said the same thing about CO subs getting in before the vast majority of random applicants(not all of them)
yep an yet people will not get what your saying o just will cry to cry about not geting in on day one
jacksparrowjive55
10-24-2009, 11:03 AM
yep an yet people will not get what your saying o just will cry to cry about not geting in on day one
and other people(looks up) will cry ABOUT them crying.
Draighwulf
10-24-2009, 11:08 AM
and other people(looks up) will cry ABOUT them crying.
lets not start that, or we'll have crying about those who cry about those crying about the cryers
I'm getting a headache just thinking about it
and other people(looks up) will cry ABOUT them crying.
Did not know pointing out the truth was crying. an going off what you just told us your doing the same.
Draighwulf
10-24-2009, 11:12 AM
an going off what you just told us your doing the same.
see? Sisko isn't the only one who gets prophetic visions!
jacksparrowjive55
10-24-2009, 11:13 AM
Did not know pointing out the truth was crying. an going off what you just told us your doing the same.
the "truth" is subjective. and the point of my post is one person's "valid issue" is another person's "crying"...including yours. so if you have an actual response to what someone has said, then say it. but dont call other people crybabies unless you want to be called a crybaby in return for complaining about them.
the "truth" is subjective. and the point of my post is one persons "valid issue" is another person's crying...including yours. so dont call other people crybabies unless you want to be called a crybaby for complaining about them.
pointing out the truth on what was told to us is not crying.an they have no valid issue. All they was told is that they would get into close beta an was not told they would get in first or last but that they would get in it an the fact that there trying to say that they have the right to be in first if way off the truth.
So as you just told us stop your crying even-tho we are not.
jacksparrowjive55
10-24-2009, 11:21 AM
pointing out the truth on what was told to us is not crying.an they have no valid issue. All they was told is that they would get into close beta an was not told they would get in first or last but that they would get in it an the fact that there trying to say that they have the right to be in first if way off the truth.
So as you just told us stop your crying even-tho we are not.
your right about the first part: simply telling people what was said is not "crying". however, once you start complaining about other people and saying they are "crying" you have become a "crybaby" yourself. and that was the part of your earlier post I was replying to. so either dont call people crybabies, or do so and become one yourself.
Elfender
10-24-2009, 11:22 AM
not all of us are crying, some of us ARE patiently waiting...to the ones doing the crying, please be patient and wait like the rest of us, i never assumed id be among the first, just that it guaruanteed me a spot...that and CO is kinda fun...and was a cheap 6mo sub for a game i wasnt sure if id stay with...woulda bought lifetime, but couldnt afford at the time...
Still....back on point...not all of us 6mo/Lifers are complaining, in fact id say its probly a VERY small portion, most of whom were quite bad with thier QQ posts before hand...
Not to mention this could have all been avoided if they had just told the community how it was going to work before they announced Closed Beta.
Large companies will never learn... They all make the same mistakes time and time again. A lot of it is common sense, and yet people still get MBAs and still have no clue.
discopunk1118
10-24-2009, 11:26 AM
The real question is do you want a bug filled game or do you want all the LTS in immediately? I have a hard time believing that a majority of the LTS people paid to "test" a game and not just demo it. Idc how Cryptic handles the matter as long as they make the best of CB and bug rid the game as much as possible. All you LTS have nothing to worry about. You will get in and you will get in early. Not day one perhaps but lets say month one.
your right about the first part: simply telling people what was said is not "crying". however, once you start complaining about other people and saying they are "crying" you have become a "crybaby" yourself. and that was the part of your earlier post I was replying to. so either dont call people crybabies, or do so and become one yourself.
So what your caring is we are all crying over people crying an your crying over that?
An all I have did is pointed out the truth about what was told to us with Beta an your saying I am crying over that an I never did use the word crybabies so stop trying to put words in that I did not say. An odd are your one of the people that have been crying about not getting in from the way your post looks.
not all of us are crying, some of us ARE patiently waiting...to the ones doing the crying, please be patient and wait like the rest of us, i never assumed id be among the first, just that it guaruanteed me a spot...that and CO is kinda fun...and was a cheap 6mo sub for a game i wasnt sure if id stay with...woulda bought lifetime, but couldnt afford at the time...
Still....back on point...not all of us 6mo/Lifers are complaining, in fact id say its probly a VERY small portion, most of whom were quite bad with thier QQ posts before hand...
I never did say all of you was crying about not getting in but there is a small group that is.
jamestpicard55
10-24-2009, 11:28 AM
I never did say all of you was crying about not getting in but there is a small group that is.
The point is, by saying ANYONE is "crying"(which you have said in multiple posts now), you are "crying" about them. Once you start throwing around the "C" word, you are crying too.
The point is, by saying ANYONE is "crying"(which you have said in multiple posts now), you are "crying" about them. Once you start throwing around the "C" word, you are crying too.
no I am not crying but by using what you told use just now is that you would be crying as will.(An I am not saying you are but that is going of the info you just posted)
ShadowStalker
10-24-2009, 11:31 AM
No!!!! i didnt payed to get into CB!...will i ever get in?zomg i want to "test" the game to!!!
*sarcasm off*
Like others said, im just hoping that the ppl who chose the 6month/lifetime deal know what beta testing is all about. Give the content a good go (esp klingon side :rolleyes: ). And be constructive with bug reports, lacking content etc.
No!!!! i didnt payed to get into CB!...will i ever get in?zomg i want to "test" the game to!!!
*sarcasm off*
Like others said, im just hoping that the ppl who chose the 6month/lifetime deal know what beta testing is all about. Give the content a good go (esp klingon side :rolleyes: ). And be constructive with bug reports, lacking content etc.
We can hope but like others have posted a lot of them or just looking to demo the game an not test.
jamestpicard55
10-24-2009, 11:36 AM
no I am not crying but by using what you told use just now is that you would be crying as will.(An I am not saying you are but that is going of the info you just posted)
Thats fine, sure, I am. But the point is, I'm not telling other people to stop something I'm doing, you are. If you call other people discussing something that matters to them "crying", then its "crying" no matter WHO does it, or WHAT its about...including you. If other people discussing something that matters to them is "crying", then by discussing something that matters to you, your "crying" too.
The point is, by saying ANYONE is "crying"(which you have said in multiple posts now), you are "crying" about them. Once you start throwing around the "C" word, you are crying too.
Yep I found somtheing:
Thanks for the work on STO? Yes. Thanks for telling people that CO subs would be first into beta then "changing your mind"? No.
They never changed there minds that dev just did not have all the info he needed before he did the post
an yes what was you saying about crying now?
jamestpicard55
10-24-2009, 11:45 AM
an yes what was you saying about crying now?
exactly what I've been saying all along: when you say other people are "crying", then you are crying ABOUT them crying.
chaintm
10-24-2009, 11:48 AM
I haven't seem much posting on this subject beyond the first day, those that want to start an argument, IE those that don't care are bringing up yet again. Those of us that did said our peace said it, so why are those of you that could careless keep brining it up?
Myself and I wouldn't doubt others in my postion don't get it at this point, we said what we needed too, Cryptic knows our stance, nuff said, so how about we move on now huh?
rook111
10-24-2009, 11:50 AM
good lord why did we need another thread about this Just drop it already.
chaintm
10-24-2009, 11:51 AM
good lord why did we need another thread about this Just drop it already.
exactly, we all said our peace on day one, it's over , cryptic knows, move on.
exactly, we all said our peace on day one, it's over , cryptic knows, move on.
You can not speak for every one am by saying "we all" is speaking for every one.
If you said your peace why post in threads that you have nothing to add to in.
LordDave
10-24-2009, 12:06 PM
This whole situation is ridiculous. Cryptic should never have done it, but since they did, they should honor their word on how it would be done. Even though the person on the CO forums have have spoken prematurely, our Devs here on the STO forums said that is probably how it would happen.
I got an even better idea.
They should cancel closed beta completely then let in whoever they want but under the condition that they are unable to say they are in beta. If they do: Instant BAN.
So no one can complain about not being in CB because CB was officially canceled and those who ARE in the "secret" CB can't say so otherwise they get banned.
Legal mess? Absolutely. But the only other option is to cancel the project.
I got an even better idea.
They should cancel closed beta completely then let in whoever they want but under the condition that they are unable to say they are in beta. If they do: Instant BAN.
So no one can complain about not being in CB because CB was officially canceled and those who ARE in the "secret" CB can't say so otherwise they get banned.
Legal mess? Absolutely. But the only other option is to cancel the project.
I like your idea hahahaha.
jamestpicard55
10-25-2009, 12:20 PM
I got an even better idea.
They should cancel closed beta completely then let in whoever they want but under the condition that they are unable to say they are in beta. If they do: Instant BAN.
So no one can complain about not being in CB because CB was officially canceled and those who ARE in the "secret" CB can't say so otherwise they get banned.
Legal mess? Absolutely. But the only other option is to cancel the project.
That would probably kill the game before it came out from the "legal mess" you just mentioned, not to mention the bad press it would bring.
Bedlam66
10-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Ok I have writen like 13 post about this so far. This time I'm just going to Cut and paste.
This isn't open Beta where they open up the servers to everyone all at once for a week or two before the game launches. This is CLOSED Beta and let me tell you as a Guy who has done OVER 50 of them in the last 15 years, This is the way it works. PERIOD.
There are no if's ands or buts about it. Regardless of whatever Cryptic may have said or neglected to say, It's YOUR Fault for not learning how a Closed beta works before Jumping the gun and buying whatever sub you did.
Now me, I've been around the MMO block before so this is all old news to me. When I saw that my Lifetime sub also included Closed beta Access I knew EXACTLY what I was getting. Closed Alpha (been there done those too.) and Beta invites are always done in waves. STO's waves will prob be faster then CO's due to the fact that they have worked out most if not all of the Engine bugs they had. (This will cause it to go alot faster.)
Demonspirit
10-25-2009, 01:01 PM
Really best way to do it is simple.
1. the core most effiecent to conduct a real beta test
2. 6mo/lts
3. everyone else.
that ensures the beta gets the "test" it needs but also doesn't rob those of whose who spent money and being someone who paid for LTS i am perfectly happy letting the true tester in first. just as long as i don't get my chance at testing the final week of beta.
Warspawn
10-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Legal mess? Absolutely. But the only other option is to cancel the project.
Just give everyone that's in CB who doesn't have a 6-month or lifetime sub to CO, one of those subscriptions.
That way, everyone who's been invited to the first round is a CO lifetime/6-month subscriber. Since it was originally said that the folks who were those type of long-term subscribers would be the first to be invited to STO closed beta...problem solved. Promise fullfilled ;)
sKYHiii
10-25-2009, 02:28 PM
Just a quick question,
I have the 6month membership, i signed up for the beta only a couple of days ago. I used the login details from CO and applied for the beta. Do they automatically know if im a 6 month subscriber and let me know if im chosen for the beta?
KCP2828
10-25-2009, 02:35 PM
I would have bought the lifetime regardless of the offer of getting in the beta. I did the beta for LOTR and it was so so. I just like the idea of never paying another penny. I play the most popular mmo and though the monthly fee is not much the lifetime membership I bought on LOTR is awesome. definately a money saver.:eek:
hellsh
10-25-2009, 02:38 PM
What is it with you people? 6ers/lifers will be in beta. At an early stage.
That is it. Move along, move along. Go back to your life.
The beta topic has been chewed, swallowed, digested, puked, licked up and swallowed again. Time to keep it down, once and for all.