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duckforceone
10-24-2009, 07:25 AM
an easy way to appease the masses, even though the servers cannot hold that many players yet.
queue's... if launched games like wow and aion can get away with it for paid members, then the beta servers should be able to have it as well...
that way you can limit the amount, and still have everyone accepted... of course this need not be implemented now, but if you can't get all the co subbers in within a week or two, this would be a good solution...
an easy way to appease the masses, even though the servers cannot hold that many players yet.
queue's... if launched games like wow and aion can get away with it for paid members, then the beta servers should be able to have it as well...
that way you can limit the amount, and still have everyone accepted... of course this need not be implemented now, but if you can't get all the co subbers in within a week or two, this would be a good solution...
Or they can do what I would because of the people that was crying about not getting in is let them in on the last day of Close Beta. An by law they can do this. All they side is that they would get in to close Beta they did not say when they would get in.
Draighwulf
10-24-2009, 07:28 AM
it solves the problem of people wanting to be in beta because they got the CO subscription deal, although I'd be surprised if there wasn't another problem of people complaing about the queues to get in
However, how would it aid the developers in testing based on certain specs? what if someone is testing something, crashes and then can't get back on because of queue limits?
I can understand the idea from getting people into beta perspective, but I think it would be counter productive for the needs of a close beta testing phase
crazy_guy
10-24-2009, 07:31 AM
Or they can do what I would because of the people that was crying about not getting in is let them in on the last day of Close Beta. An by law they can do this. All they side is that they would get in to close Beta they did not say when they would get in.
Yeah Dext maybe they can do that by law but will it be smart from the PR view?
jeandeaux
10-24-2009, 07:32 AM
Whiners will whine... it''s what they do.
Makes more sense to drop whiners from the beta waiting list, that'll shut 'em up.
Sunborn
10-24-2009, 07:34 AM
Not a bad idea at all, actually. They could even make sure to have the server accept the players they want to make sure get to beta for the system specs, or the testers merits as a beta tester.
I say, make it so.
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 07:34 AM
Or they can do what I would because of the people that was crying about not getting in is let them in on the last day of Close Beta. An by law they can do this. All they side is that they would get in to close Beta they did not say when they would get in.
aion has the nice thing that if you log in again within 10 mins, you skip the queue...
love the solution... ;)
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 07:35 AM
Or they can do what I would because of the people that was crying about not getting in is let them in on the last day of Close Beta. An by law they can do this. All they side is that they would get in to close Beta they did not say when they would get in.
if that was legal by law, that means that movie theates could get away with letting you in to see the final 30 mins of the movie....
jacksparrowjive55
10-24-2009, 07:37 AM
actualy, that wouldnt solve anything. well, it would let more people in, but it wouldnt help test. the reason is because no one would ever be able to advance their character beyond the couple of hours they get to play. then, the next time they try to log on, they cant because the que is full. basicly all you would have is a bunch of people with low level characters, meaning the high end parts of the game would never be tested.
Yeah Dext maybe they can do that by law but will it be smart from the PR view?
There is going to be an RP problem if they just let them people in at first an most of them people are not testing for things in the game they just wont to play it not test it. An Cryptic know this, that is why not all them people are getting in on day one. An if they did just let them in for the star of beta it would hurt the game with bugs that did not get reported an in a RP point of View.
An they have a lot of time to get them people in. Odds are that beta will last at less 4-6 months an they will more then like add more an more people every week.
An as for the CO sub beta it will not do nothing from am RP stand point. The only way it can is if they do not get into the close beta at all.
if that was legal by law, that means that movie theates could get away with letting you in to see the final 30 mins of the movie....
An yes they can do it by law They never told no one that they would get in on day on or even at the start of Close Beta an what duz a movie have to do with Beta?
crazy_guy
10-24-2009, 07:49 AM
There is going to be an RP problem if they just let them people in at first an most of them people are not testing for things in the game they just wont to play it not test it. An Cryptic know this, that is why not all them people are getting in on day one. An if they did just let them in for the star of beta it would hurt the game with bugs that did not get reported an in a RP point of View.
An they have a lot of time to get them people in. Odds are that beta will last at less 4-6 months an they will more then like add more an more people every week.
An as for the CO sub beta it will not do nothing from am RP stand point. The only way it can is if they do not get into the close beta at all.
That will asume that MOST of the CO guys are don't know how a beta works...
But why should a random picked guy who applied for beta on a website do something better than someone who is so dedicated to the game that he pays for CB access?
I for example have a LTS and was in a lot betas until now and I DO know that BETA = testing and not playing.
And I don't think I am alone.
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 07:50 AM
actually a valid law argument could be made that you have access to closed beta..
closed beta is started, you do not have access, ergo you haven't gotten what you paid for.
and the movie, is an analogy. they are both selling something that you are getting less for...
so it's a pretty valid argument.. :D
bobalobabingbong
10-24-2009, 07:55 AM
it solves the problem of people wanting to be in beta because they got the CO subscription deal, although I'd be surprised if there wasn't another problem of people complaing about the queues to get in
However, how would it aid the developers in testing based on certain specs? what if someone is testing something, crashes and then can't get back on because of queue limits?
I can understand the idea from getting people into beta perspective, but I think it would be counter productive for the needs of a close beta testing phase
I agree.
if that was legal by law, that means that movie theates could get away with letting you in to see the final 30 mins of the movie....
actually a valid law argument could be made that you have access to closed beta..
closed beta is started, you do not have access, ergo you haven't gotten what you paid for.
and the movie, is an analogy. they are both selling something that you are getting less for...
so it's a pretty valid argument.. :D
Not true. When you buy a movie ticket, you're paying to see the whole movie, not a portion.
When you paid to get access to beta, thats exactly what you did, but anywhere you look, it doesn't say when. Movie tickets have little things on the back about rain checks if you can't see the whole movie, and things like that.
Gruug
10-24-2009, 08:00 AM
actually a valid law argument could be made that you have access to closed beta..
closed beta is started, you do not have access, ergo you haven't gotten what you paid for.
Actually no. Since closed beta has not ended yet and not one has been denied access during the closed beta while it WAS open, there is no "legal" basis. Furthermore, Until their is actual injury their is no legal grounds. In other words, closed beta would need to end and promised pariticipates would need to have been denied entry for any legal action to be considered on grounds.
Seriously though, all the talk of "legal action" based upon getting into a closed beta "first" is really pretty silly. A sane judge would probably never ever hear such a case. That does not prevent people from pursuing said case, just that it is unlikely to go anywhere. And, unless you are an attorney, are you really willing to run the risk of paying the high cost to yourself of bringing a suit that most likely would be thrown out?
Best thing to do is wait. Be patient. See what happens.
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 08:00 AM
I agree.
Not true. When you buy a movie ticket, you're paying to see the whole movie, not a portion.
When you paid to get access to beta, thats exactly what you did, but anywhere you look, it doesn't say when. Movie tickets have little things on the back about rain checks if you can't see the whole movie, and things like that.
ok so the movie analogy was lost on you...
let me try it this way, you pay for a flight with a meal on board... it's 8 hours flight... usually you know they feed you midway.... now what if they only dish out the food 30 mins before landing? they still fulfill their "promise" but you still know it's rather wrong...
so you end up being hungry most of the flight, but you got your food, so you can't complain...
trust me, this is not the way a business works... as they never stated when you got access to beta, it's implied that when beta starts, you have access.. if they had stated that you get access sometime during beta, it's valid. but they didn't, they just said beta access.... well beta is running and i don't have access... :D
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 08:01 AM
and btw, i'm just arguing devils advocate... i am perfectly fine waiting a few weeks to get in... :)
just trying to get all you others to see both sides...
actually a valid law argument could be made that you have access to closed beta..
closed beta is started, you do not have access, ergo you haven't gotten what you paid for.
and the movie, is an analogy. they are both selling something that you are getting less for...
so it's a pretty valid argument.. :D
An yet it is not over an is going on now an we all was told that it is going to start in a small group.(An you should know this if you was in a beta before)
So unless you do not get into beta when it over then you could say that you did not get what you payed for.
An also you was not buying it for a beta key but a CO sub the beta was just an add on.
An for the people that say all where supporting are game will I did by CO an have been playing it from September 3rd so I have payed $65 USD to play it.(the game was $50 an I payed for one months sub that was $15)
So using we are supporting the game thing will not work on every one because you can say that I an other people like me are doing the same thing.
and btw, i'm just arguing devils advocate... i am perfectly fine waiting a few weeks to get in... :)
just trying to get all you others to see both sides...
I do see both side but You do not from what I can see.
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 08:26 AM
An yet it is not over an is going on now an we all was told that it is going to start in a small group.(An you should know this if you was in a beta before)
So unless you do not get into beta when it over then you could say that you did not get what you payed for.
An also you was not buying it for a beta key but a CO sub the beta was just an add on.
An for the people that say all where supporting are game will I did by CO an have been playing it from September 3rd so I have payed $65 USD to play it.(the game was $50 an I payed for one months sub that was $15)
So using we are supporting the game thing will not work on every one because you can say that I an other people like me are doing the same thing.
in trade, there is no such thing as just an add on...
fact :
lifetimers bought
co lifetime
access to sto closed beta
special sto costume
special co costume
special co foxbat
so they bought access to sto beta. without any conditions on time. that means if beta is running and they do not have access, the thing they have bought is invalid or faulty. ergo it can be argued that they have bought a service they do not get, and therefore they can get their money back...
in trade, unless there are stated conditions, which there werent, you have full access from whenever it starts. sure alot of companies tries to fool around with it, like putting on delays, and such. but in that case, you can demand your money back. that's what trade laws are for...
now if the offer had stated that you bought a lifetime subscription, with the ability to try out sto closed beta at some point, then your points are valid... but it didn't. they never specified conditions so the only thing to go on now is.
you bought access to sto closed beta
sto closed beta is running
you do not have access
so you are not getting what you paid for. :D
bobalobabingbong
10-24-2009, 08:55 AM
ok so the movie analogy was lost on you...
let me try it this way, you pay for a flight with a meal on board... it's 8 hours flight... usually you know they feed you midway.... now what if they only dish out the food 30 mins before landing? they still fulfill their "promise" but you still know it's rather wrong...
so you end up being hungry most of the flight, but you got your food, so you can't complain...
trust me, this is not the way a business works... as they never stated when you got access to beta, it's implied that when beta starts, you have access.. if they had stated that you get access sometime during beta, it's valid. but they didn't, they just said beta access.... well beta is running and i don't have access... :D
You're using analogys that are useless in this situation. As the devs had said, the servers simply cannot handle everyone at once. Beta tests have always been the same. Why should it be different here?
It was never implied that we would get access to a beta on day one. You thought that one up in your head.
and btw, i'm just arguing devils advocate... i am perfectly fine waiting a few weeks to get in... :)
just trying to get all you others to see both sides...
I got you. I am doing the same.
duckforceone
10-24-2009, 09:11 AM
You're using analogys that are useless in this situation. As the devs had said, the servers simply cannot handle everyone at once. Beta tests have always been the same. Why should it be different here?
It was never implied that we would get access to a beta on day one. You thought that one up in your head.
I got you. I am doing the same.
true, never implied... but from a standard business standpoint, if it's not written, it has to be taken at face value... and face value is, you have access to closed beta... not later, not after, as taht was not specified either... you can't just say, selling this stuff. and then later specify that you might have to wait quite awhile to get the item...
but again, if they could just make a final statement, like, those who paid, will have access no later than xx.xx.xx then they are trying to rectify the business situation.
so without implying and laying something into the argument that they have not written, i have paid for access to closed beta... closed beta is running, i do not have access, ergo i paid for something that they have sold me, that i do not have and should have.
it's like bying a vip pass. stating, concert starts 1800 hours. vip access behind stage. then when you try to get behind stage at 1900 hours, you are then told that you might get in later tonight..... no time specified, you just have to hope it's before the star leaves the vip area...
ahhh i love constructive arguments... :) keep it coming... and we are civil so far, so no name calling....
discopunk1118
10-24-2009, 10:04 AM
I'm going to post this again just for "fun"....Rhekan already announced that people with LTS to CO and 6 month subscriptions have already gotten into the CB. As we know they can't put everyone in at once but be mindful that those who "paid" for CB will get in and are being prioritized.
mercboy
10-24-2009, 10:34 AM
look it just a beta so GET OVER IT the real game will be 1000000000000000000000000000000000000x better then beta so just WAIT :):):):p
discopunk1118
10-24-2009, 10:37 AM
Remember as well that Closed Beta isn't necessarily fun....in some ways it can be heart wrenching. Open Beta and beyond is a lot more pleasant.