what is the absolute LEAST amount of time you would consider "acceptable"? [Archive]

trekbaby9000

10-24-2009, 04:36 AM

the devs have said that there are simply too many people who bought the CO subs to let them all in at once. this means that some are getting in before others. and it also means that some, whoever they may be, are going to be last.

we dont know how long the closed beta will last, so that means that the very last people to get it could get in right before open beta. so my question is, what is the very LEAST amount of time in closed beta you would consider 'acceptable' if you bought a CO sub just to get into closed beta?

VanCaptain

10-24-2009, 04:45 AM

Really, this deserved yet another thread when there are so many on the bloody subject...:eek:

The "least" amount of time is what the hell ever Cryptic decides, no matter how much you fill your cup with your bitter tears, they are not going to do things your way becuase if they did, beta would fail.

trekbaby9000

10-24-2009, 04:47 AM

duckforceone

10-24-2009, 04:48 AM

well lets say it's 4 months till open beta starts (no idea if this is even close to the real hidden time)

i'd say after 1 month, i would be quite annoyed, after 2 months, i would probably send them an email a day demanding to know what they are thinking... so if we have 4 months, i would say 2 months is the least time i would in any way accept... but even that would be pretty bad....

i'm waiting a week before i start shouting... and a month for me to fume totally over.. :D

Tain01

10-24-2009, 04:50 AM

I'd just like to point out that Cryptic reopened the limited offer well after the window of opportunity had expired. If they knew they couldn't support it, they should have never done it.

VanCaptain

10-24-2009, 04:51 AM

duckforceone

10-24-2009, 04:52 AM

I'd just like to point out that Cryptic reopened the limited offer well after the window of opportunity had expired. If they knew they couldn't support it, they should have never done it.

they reopended it again because of the massive complaints... they basically had no choice....
and they actually closed it well before the window expired.. hence the uproar...

VanCaptain

10-24-2009, 04:53 AM

they reopended it again because of the massive complaints... they basically had no choice....
and they actually closed it well before the window expired.. hence the uproar...

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't and for reference, I had a CO sub, my panties however are not in a twist. As long as thoes that do get in, do the job right otherwise well have another Warhammer/AoC craptastic launch on our hands.

duckforceone

10-24-2009, 04:54 AM

My opinion is that it don't matter how much anyone else thinks or cry, stamp there feet and demand. For instance, if the server in its current state can only support <value> amount of players then it's completely pointless for us to 'demand' or 'pout'. At the end of the day, only Cryptic is aware if the servers, there current stability and capacity etc... all these threads are doing is creating friction in the community.

if the servers only support x amounts of players.. do what aion and wow have done... 2-8 hours of queue.... problem solved... this way people can play it, try it... but they can keep the population low...

VanCaptain

10-24-2009, 04:55 AM

if the servers only support x amounts of players.. do what aion and wow have done... 2-8 hours of queue.... problem solved... this way people can play it, try it... but they can keep the population low...

They will probably do this, however, im guessing theres literally thousands, upon thousands of beta accounts that need setting up. Then you have NDA's to process, beta forums, procedures, etc... clients to download and the server will be recieving its first real stress test etc...

The only people that are truly going to be of any use to the beta process are thoes that are not "demanding" but instead are showing patience.

Beta need's people with patience.

bkovo

10-24-2009, 04:57 AM

they reopended it again because of the massive complaints... they basically had no choice....
and they actually closed it well before the window expired.. hence the uproar...

Well, they could have offered the second round of subscriptions without the beta keys.

trekbaby9000

10-24-2009, 04:58 AM

My opinion is that it don't matter how much anyone else thinks or cry, stamp there feet and demand. For instance, if the server in its current state can only support <value> amount of players then it's completely pointless for us to 'demand' or 'pout'. At the end of the day, only Cryptic is aware if the servers, there current stability and capacity etc... all these threads are doing is creating friction in the community.

thats well and good, but it has nothing to do with what I asked. again:

what is the least amount of time YOU would consider "acceptable" in closed beta if you bought a CO sub?

if you have no opinion on the matter, thats ok. but posting about other issues has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Demonspirit

10-24-2009, 05:03 AM

like one of the posts above i think its kinda hard to say without knowing how long CB is. i guess for me personally.... i would want 2 months out of 4 as i actually did pay for the lifetime sub just to get beta and mirror outfit. not saying co is bad but the lifetime for me was to get to this game early be part of the experience of beta testing it. but i will however say that i'm not gonna get nuts or crazy till i feel i've lost alot of time. first day.. first week meh as long as i get a decent amount of time for the investment i made ill be happy.

VanCaptain

10-24-2009, 05:03 AM

gogarty

10-24-2009, 05:06 AM

In lamens terms, the "least" amount of time for me is indefinite...

If I don;t get into beta, even with the sub, I don't care. All that matters is that the game gets polished and we can all enjoy it as it should be played next year some time.

Finally, someone has patience.

Can we end the 20 or so "I didn't get a beta invite wah!!!" threads now?

Tain01

10-24-2009, 05:06 AM

they reopended it again because of the massive complaints... they basically had no choice....
and they actually closed it well before the window expired.. hence the uproar...

They cut it short by a few hours if I recall (as I was trying to get my wife one as well when it closed prematurely). But that doesn't warrant re-opening it for the time that they did (which was at least 72 hours). Poor choices all around, that's all I'm saying.

And I would have been more than happy going through normal channels to get into beta by applying for it, not buying the 6 month subscription to a game which is now facing massive longevity issues (personal opinion; I'm actually very interested to see what direction they take), and ultimately accomplishing the same thing. Which is essentially a "you might get in long before open beta, you might get in a week prior." But here was a sure thing; not a "maybe", but an assurance. I bought one for both her and myself for that sole reason.

So my point is, people have the right to be upset about it. No matter which way you can it or apologize for it, it was deceptive and underhanded. Just like dropping a complete game alteration on the day of release was, after people had paid hard cash for what they thought was a final product.

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:08 AM

Can we end the 20 or so "I didn't get a beta invite wah!!!" threads now?

insulting people(even indirectly) just because you dont like what their saying is only a sign of your own immaturity, not theirs.

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:09 AM

They cut it short by a few hours if I recall (as I was trying to get my wife one as well when it closed prematurely). But that doesn't warrant re-opening it for the time that they did (which was at least 72 hours). Poor choices all around, that's all I'm saying.

Actualy, they cut it short BEFORE the time they originaly said they would. Then, when people pointed out the fact that they had lied by doing so, they reopened it to the same time it was originay supposed to last. So it did not last any longer than it should have, just a little bit less(for the time it was down).

gogarty

10-24-2009, 05:15 AM

insulting people(even indirectly) just because you dont like what their saying is only a sign of your own immaturity, not theirs.

Right, because I'm the one fueling the fire in this debate.

I'm simply stating that people should use someone elses example of patience and stop all of these threads about the beta. Posting multiple threads on the same subject is poor forum etiquette and getting to the point of being flame worthy. Load up some other game and wait just like everyone else. People who have posted multiple threads about not getting into the beta on the zero hour of announcement are likely and probably not going to get in as these people would likely violate the NDA at the first sign the game wasn't created exactly to their liking.

Tain01

10-24-2009, 05:17 AM

Actualy, they cut it short BEFORE the time they originaly said they would. Then, when people pointed out the fact that they had lied by doing so, they reopened it to the same time it was originay supposed to last. So it did not last any longer than it should have, just a little bit less(for the time it was down).

Really? I must have missed that. Maybe I was confused when I saw the "Limited Time Offer" banner up on the site well afterward... there is a chance that it would have simply redirected to a "sorry" page, but I took it for the offer being open.

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:20 AM

Right, because I'm the one fueling the fire in this debate.

Every reply to a thread "fules the fire", if nothing else because it keeps the thread at the top of the page. Either way, shifting the blame doesnt change anything. Insulting people by implyign they are "crybabies" simply because you dont like what they have to say actualy reflects upon your own immaturity, not theirs.

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:22 AM

Really? I must have missed that. Maybe I was confused when I saw the "Limited Time Offer" banner up on the site well afterward... there is a chance that it would have simply redirected to a "sorry" page, but I took it for the offer being open.

When the offer was FIRST posted, it was stated that it would only last until a given date. Then, they pulled it before that given date. People called foul(rightfuly so), and they brought it back, but only until the date originaly promised.

gogarty

10-24-2009, 05:26 AM

Every reply to a thread "fules the fire", if nothing else because it keeps the thread at the top of the page. Either way, shifting the blame doesnt change anything. Insulting people by implyign they are "crybabies" simply because you dont like what they have to say actualy reflects upon your own immaturity, not theirs.

I could honestly care less about what anyone says. And yes, some people are coming off as crying about not getting in. And do I care that you've written the same sentence multiple times? No.

It has been stated per Cryptic staff in IRC that people who bought a CO subscription with beta access would get in to the beta. Not right away, but they will get in. Question brought up, question answered. So why continue any further? If anyone has actually and seriously beta tested a game then they know what comes with it.

And if continuing this is by any means fueling a fire in your mind then follow example and stop posting. I know I will.

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:33 AM

And yes, some people are coming off as crying about not getting in.

And so you think "crying" about those people "crying" will help things?

gogarty

10-24-2009, 05:35 AM

And so you think "crying" about those people "crying" will help things?

Couldn't help but say something?

Welcome to the internet. :)

jamestpicard55

10-24-2009, 05:42 AM

Couldn't help but say something?

A sentiment you share, apparently.

Welcome to the internet. :)

Oh my, what an original line. Ive only read that about a thousand times now.

bluehair

10-24-2009, 05:51 AM

so my question is, what is the very LEAST amount of time in closed beta you would consider 'acceptable' if you bought a CO sub just to get into closed beta?

So long as they are letting the 6mo/LTS in on a "first come, first serve' basis, ill be happy. Even if it means I only get a month of closed beta :rolleyes:

sleeplessone

10-24-2009, 05:54 AM

the devs say there are too many with a CO sub ......

what really happened was ....

there was a limited number of CO subs with STO beta access and this was probably the intended to going in at start of beta but ....

then the uproar came as many said they missed out ..... and has issues with how the CO subs where advertised.

so a 2nd round of CO subs on offer with STO beta access until 1st September. - cryptic where very generous here and i wonder if they did not have to do a 2nd around ? ..... one for the legal department i guess.

so now we have lots CO sub owners who are guarunteed STO beta access ...

What i see happen now is there might not be an Open beta rather than CO sub owners and any other offer like a Fileplanet STO beta to FP sub scribers being in a beta test in some part of the beta cycle....

frankly everyone who has a CO sub with beta access to STO attached like me should calm down and chill ... espcially those who only wanted the CO sub for the beta access ...

My reason for the CO sub was purely because it was a llifetime and i feel that all MMO's should have some sort of lifetime plan available or a long term low cost plan for those subscribers who wish to play when ever they want and not worry about money or are they getting the value from the time they put in playing .....

Open gameplay .... if you wish to call it something. ... but not this idea of micro transactions which DCUO and The agency will have.

infamousX

10-24-2009, 06:00 AM

And if continuing this is by any means fueling a fire in your mind then follow example and stop posting. I know I will.

Couldn't help but say something?

Welcome to the internet. :)

Epic Fail. He pointed out your contribution to the debate. You suggested he quit posting, after you had the last word. Then, you post again to point out that he posted again. Welcome to the internet, indeed. :rolleyes:

P.S. If I had ordered a CO sub, I'd be disappointed right now, and I'd be wondering whether I had wasted my money or not. I didn't buy a CO sub, however, and am no longer kicking myself after seeing how things went down. :D