To Boldly Go

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With the coming release of this awesome game looming on the horizon. I was just sitting here watching another episode of TOS and I started thinking. What is it about those three words that invoke such emotion in people. I started thinking about why we love Trek,What it is about the whole series that has had such an impact on so many peoples lives,an impact nothing else in our modern world can compare to.

Now I know alot of people will say "what about Star Wars',and I do agree Star Wars is an awesome series,but In my opinion Star Trek is a much more popular series. Star Trek consist of a much broader variety in the kinds of people it has as a following.

What other series in history has people of all ages,races,nationalities,and genders as fans ? Now some will say people of all those descriptions love Star Wars also,and I do agree,but to me Star Wars doesn't seem to have fans of such a Rabid devotion. I believe that the reason for such a fanbase is in most peoples core belief that much of what we see in the Star Trek universe is in mans potential future,In fact many inventions of our modern world can be directly linked to Star Trek and Gene Roddenbarry's great vision

Take items such as cell phones,notice how similar in design they are to communicators. Transporter science is being worked on at MIT and the University of Maryland,and with some success at the moleculer level. There are not alot of advances in science(other then the field of robotics maybe)that can be directly linked to the Star Wars series.

Now I didn't come here to bash Star Wars or any Star Wars fans,so please don't take it that way. I was simply comparing the fans of both francises to point out the fact that our beloved game is going to be the culmination of years of Star Trek fans dreams. Finally,after many years of watching the T.V.shows and feature films,we can Boldly Go in the character of Captain Kirk,or Picard. The words Boldly Go always set me to imagining a world where we can indeed discover new lives and new civilizations.

Imagine,if you will. The explorers of the past. Drake,Hudson,Marco polo,Cortez,DeSoto, Columbus ,Armstrong(no,not lance):D and the multitude of others in history that have"BOLDLY GONE"and add to that list the explorers of the fictional future such as Kirk and Pike and Picard and all the other great captains in the shows we love and you have the very essence of why we are here.

The greatest mystery man has ever contemplated is ,what is our purpose here,why were we born. I believe the answer from the pioneers on the prairie schooners in the early 19th century,to the brave iron men who crossed the oceans on wooden ships,To the men of the present on the space shuttles,all the way to the men 200 years from now who will make some of our great grand childrens most significant discoveries. Even the first cave dwelling beast that looked upon the vast wilderness and set out into uncharted regions facing things of nightmares and things of dreams eons ago have the answer to those questions.The answer is "TO BOLDLY GO"discuss and debate if you will.This is just something for us all to think about.Ahead Warp factor 9.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

Just so we're clear, is this thread actualy related to the game or the cultural significance of ST?

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Actually,It has alot to do with the game. The game being our chance to live the life of a Starfleet Captain. There are no worlds for the average person in modern society to discover. This game,when finished will give us all a chance to live our dreams and Boldly Go. In a way,I guess this was a kind of thank you to Cryptic for what they have done. I fely a typical thank you thread was not in order though. This game means alot to alot of people.

Yes I know ,to alot of people it is just a game. But to alot of people it will be their chance to live a dream,even if it's just for a few hours a night. What kid hasn't dreamt of being a StarShip Captain.Now,thanks to Cryptic,we can do that. Besides,Awen has stated that there is alot of negativity in these forums as of late,and I noticed it myself. I decided a good thread for people to ponder and discuss may be a small boost to the readers on here as well as boost the moral of the Dev team and let them know we love what we have seen of this game, What it really is to alot of fans.

[Tribbler]

With the coming release of this awesome game looming on the horizon. I was just sitting here watching another episode of TOS and I started thinking. What is it about those three words that invoke such emotion in people. I started thinking about why we love Trek,What it is about the whole series that has had such an impact on so many peoples lives,an impact nothing else in our modern world can compare to.

Now I know alot of people will say "what about Star Wars',and I do agree Star Wars is an awesome series,but In my opinion Star Trek is a much more popular series. Star Trek consist of a much broader variety in the kinds of people it has as a following.

What other series in history has people of all ages,races,nationalities,and genders as fans ? Now some will say people of all those descriptions love Star Wars also,and I do agree,but to me Star Wars doesn't seem to have fans of such a Rabid devotion. I believe that the reason for such a fanbase is in most peoples core belief that much of what we see in the Star Trek universe is in mans potential future,In fact many inventions of our modern world can be directly linked to Star Trek and Gene Roddenbarry's great vision

Take items such as cell phones,notice how similar in design they are to communicators. Transporter science is being worked on at MIT and the University of Maryland,and with some success at the moleculer level. There are not alot of advances in science(other then the field of robotics maybe)that can be directly linked to the Star Wars series.

Now I didn't come here to bash Star Wars or any Star Wars fans,so please don't take it that way. I was simply comparing the fans of both francises to point out the fact that our beloved game is going to be the culmination of years of Star Trek fans dreams. Finally,after many years of watching the T.V.shows and feature films,we can Boldly Go in the character of Captain Kirk,or Picard. The words Boldly Go always set me to imagining a world where we can indeed discover new lives and new civilizations.

Imagine,if you will. The explorers of the past. Drake,Hudson,Marco polo,Cortez,DeSoto, Columbus ,Armstrong(no,not lance):D and the multitude of others in history that have"BOLDLY GONE"and add to that list the explorers of the fictional future such as Kirk and Pike and Picard and all the other great captains in the shows we love and you have the very essence of why we are here.

The greatest mystery man has ever contemplated is ,what is our purpose here,why were we born. I believe the answer from the pioneers on the prairie schooners in the early 19th century,to the brave iron men who crossed the oceans on wooden ships,To the men of the present on the space shuttles,all the way to the men 200 years from now who will make some of our great grand childrens most significant discoveries. Even the first cave dwelling beast that looked upon the vast wilderness and set out into uncharted regions facing things of nightmares and things of dreams eons ago have the answer to those questions.The answer is "TO BOLDLY GO"discuss and debate if you will.This is just something for us all to think about.Ahead Warp factor 9.

Nice read Finalcut.

Easy on the eyes, good for the imagination, and makes it difficult to wait for the game any longer...

I will try though :)

[Faerlzress]

Actually to Boldy Go and explore this game with the genesis random system creator is what I look forward to most.

I laughed a bit when I saw the Star Wars fans complaining on www.mmorpg.com about STO going above the new Old Republic game. The comments were very negative towards STO and them being embarrassed of playing STO. I realized Star Wars is far more popular with the younger generation for many reasons. The main reason though unfortunately is the desire for power, or the force. It's an individual ego thing with many of them. It is more fantasy than science fiction also.

As for Star Trek it has a utopian view of our future where mankind lives up to it's potential. It is about what we can become if we put all our greed, selfish desire and wants aside and move towards a positive future with a unified philosophy.

Many greedy people have attacked Star Trek for promoting communist propaganda even. It's about community and finding philosophy that works for our species. In Star Trek the unifying philosophy is embodied in The Federation and Star Fleet. We can be the ones to "Boldly go where no human has ever gone! When that portal (http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/03/StarTrek_GuardianOfForever-thumb-400x300.jpg) opens up in front of us and we know nothing of wear it leads in space we step through."

Star Trek is our potential if we channel it in a positive direction. It provides an ideal we can strive for in our lives and future. Star Wars doesn't offer that.

[Elta_and_Zletha]

With the coming release of this awesome game looming on the horizon. I was just sitting here watching another episode of TOS and I started thinking. What is it about those three words that invoke such emotion in people. I started thinking about why we love Trek,What it is about the whole series that has had such an impact on so many peoples lives,an impact nothing else in our modern world can compare to.

Now I know alot of people will say "what about Star Wars',and I do agree Star Wars is an awesome series....

Sorry, I stopped reading after that. I HATE STAR WARS!!! :mad::mad::mad::D

[lordpenquin]

Although I love star trek I feel that the federation is nothing more than a marxist utopia.

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/wooton/414/trek.html

The only capitalists we see in the series are the Ferengi, and they are represented as small, ugly, money grabbing louts with no morals. There is a lack of religion in star trek too, which is another example of the marxist utopia. There is no room for religion in communism because religion gives you hope and emotional support, which could lead to "trouble". Roddenbery was an anti-capitalist. Is it any wonder why he designed the opposite of capitalism for his utopia?

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Although I love star trek I feel that the federation is nothing more than a marxist utopia.

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/wooton/414/trek.html

The only capitalists we see in the series are the Ferengi, and they are represented as small, ugly, money grabbing louts with no morals. There is a lack of religion in star trek too, which is another example of the marxist utopia. There is no room for religion in communism because religion gives you hope and emotional support, which could lead to "trouble". Roddenbery was an anti-capitalist. Is it any wonder why he designed the opposite of capitalism for his utopia? It is not the communist utopian society that attracts me. I am in no way a communist. It is the spirit of discovery and exploration that has attracted me to the series. As far as political discussion,That was not my intention with this thread and I hope some people will help steer it away from that dangerous road.:eek:

[ryuto]

Although I love star trek I feel that the federation is nothing more than a marxist utopia.

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/wooton/414/trek.html

The only capitalists we see in the series are the Ferengi, and they are represented as small, ugly, money grabbing louts with no morals. There is a lack of religion in star trek too, which is another example of the marxist utopia. There is no room for religion in communism because religion gives you hope and emotional support, which could lead to "trouble". Roddenbery was an anti-capitalist. Is it any wonder why he designed the opposite of capitalism for his utopia?

Technically there's nothing wrong with 'true' Socialism, as an ideology it actually fits early egalitarian modes of life. The problem is that humans aren't happy with having everything they need, they want more. They don't just want 'a' car, they want a sexy one, a fast one, one with a better speaker. The don't just want 'food' they want good tasting food like steak, chicken, fish, etc. Humans are inherently corruptible on a certain level, especially where money and creature comforts exist. This is why the Federation works as socialist, because they've removed material needs through the use of replicators and other things.

[Faerlzress]

It is not the communist utopian society that attracts me. I am in no way a communist. It is the spirit of discovery and exploration that has attracted me to the series. As far as political discussion,That was not my intention with this thread and I hope some people will help steer it away from that dangerous road.:eek:

It is part of what you are talking about though. The move away from greed as the human goal replaced by exploration, science and respect is a big part of why people enjoy it.

[piponolo]

I don't hate star wars, but Episode I,II,&III made me cry. I read the books and liked the [I]original/I] movies. Everything else is meh.

I like Star Wars for epic storylines. I like Star Trek for social commentary and good sci-fi.

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It is part of what you are talking about though. The move away from greed as the human goal replaced by exploration, science and respect is a big part of why people enjoy it. I agree in a sense. I just don't want this to turn into a Capitolist VS. Socialist discussion. I beleive that the exploration track is the high road we should travel. There is a reason that political Discussion is against forum rules and I put this out there for everyone to discuss what Star Trek is to them personally. I just Don't want this thread getting closed do to political talk. I am more looking at the exploration angle.;)

[vobedarkelf]

The original poster makes some interesting points. There are a few ways to look at this. Reguarding the original Star Trek, it came at a time where Television was in it's infancy. Also, Star Trek was not simply a poor attempt at a sci fi show. It was more of a vision.

Gene Roddenberry was creating what he honestly believed was the future of mankind. And I do not simply mean space travel or alien life forms. In his vision of the future, mankind has pretty much evolved away from petty biggotry and greed. The earth was a paradise where everyone lived happily, and everything was provided for. There was no poverty or hunger. There was no money. Just people free to pursue whatever career they desired.

That is Star Trek.

And this show aired during that rough period of time, where both women's rights and racial equality were very new concepts. Did you know that Woopie Goldberg actually asked to be on Next Generation? This high dollar movie star wanted to be a part of this new show just starting to air. The reason? She grew up watching the original Star Trek, and there, on her favorite show, was a black woman working right alongside the men who ran this ship. Perhaps this inspired Woopie in her life. Or perhaps it was not just Gene Roddenberry's vision alone.

Stop and take a closer look closer at Star Trek. Every series is cast with a broad variety of people. All different walks of life, as well as alien races and artificial life forms. Male, Female, Black, White, Asian, and even a Blind man. A single Mother. A single Father. Every series portrays all kinds people getting along and working together without much thought of their differences.

Star Trek is not just a neat sci fi show. It portrays an ideal future that most people can relate to on some level.

Also, reguarding the Star Wars comparison, I have to point out that Star Wars 'canon' is primarily just a series of movies, portraying only a few stories. Star Trek has hundreds of hours of TV shows and movies, with many different memorable stories. If Star Trek seems better, it may be because there is a whole lot more of it.

[lordpenquin]

I agree that the most wonderous element of star trek is the exploration. To point your little ship to the second star on the right, straight on 'til morning is facinating. However I think THIS game is going to be more about blowing things up than actual exploring and first contact. I just hope that there is enough of it in the game to keep me interested. After killing the 500th Klingon it will get old after awhile if that's all there is to do.

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I think even if this ends up being a fragfest at launch(I don't think it will) It will evolve over time to include more exploration and less killing,or be better balanced as Cryptic listens to the forums. I have faith in the Dev team.

[Neligahn]

In regards to the Communism comparisons, I find people tend to revert to the close-minded-ness of McCarthy-era bigotry in their complete and total misunderstanding of the way governments and people work. It all pretty much boils down to Communists bad, Capitalists good. Communism is a failed ideal. It was based on the concept of a group of people working for the betterment of all. What was never forseen, though, was the one individual that would see this as an opportunity to use this group of people to further their own wants and desires.

Essentially, the problem with Communism was that people with Capitalistic viewpoints were taking control of it. It became about the individual again, which is one of the basics of Capitalism. So we as people, right now, are unable to truly realize relative utopian idea as one for all and all for one.

I believe that is a main draw of Star Trek. Here is a primarily human civilization that has risen above the primitive need for personal acquisitions and are able to look at the needs of those around them. They are able to function in an era of high ideals because they have shed those ideas that currently in our time keep the rich richer and the poor poorer.

It is a universe where even the smallest, most out of the way person has the ability to rise above their station and truly make a difference in the universe be it at the helm of a starship or behind a desk.

Humanity where it stands now has a very long way to go. But once people start to look past the blinders in which they see only the here and now, I have hope that they will realize the power a single individual can have on the greater world.

And I think, ultimately, that is the lesson of Star Trek.

[chaoticone]

this series has always excited me because it can be our future and just the excitement of going someplace no human has seen to be the first to set foot on an alien surface just is so exciting thats why im going science all the way leave the wars to the others

[Fritoman]

With the coming release of this awesome game looming on the horizon. I was just sitting here watching another episode of TOS and I started thinking. What is it about those three words that invoke such emotion in people. I started thinking about why we love Trek,What it is about the whole series that has had such an impact on so many peoples lives,an impact nothing else in our modern world can compare to.

Now I know alot of people will say "what about Star Wars',and I do agree Star Wars is an awesome series,but In my opinion Star Trek is a much more popular series. Star Trek consist of a much broader variety in the kinds of people it has as a following.

What other series in history has people of all ages,races,nationalities,and genders as fans ? Now some will say people of all those descriptions love Star Wars also,and I do agree,but to me Star Wars doesn't seem to have fans of such a Rabid devotion. I believe that the reason for such a fanbase is in most peoples core belief that much of what we see in the Star Trek universe is in mans potential future,In fact many inventions of our modern world can be directly linked to Star Trek and Gene Roddenbarry's great vision


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There is a fundamental difference between SW and ST....SW has been about sitting back and enjoying the ride, whereas ST has been about immersing the audience, having a feeling of being a part of the experience, an active member of the crew, the fleet, and all that ST has to offer. Sure, SW has characters but ST has "friends" if you know what I mean. And, ST has spawned 5 series and more movies than SW :p Just my opinion

[Fritoman]

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Essentially, the problem with Communism was that people with Capitalistic viewpoints were taking control of it. It became about the individual again, which is one of the basics of Capitalism. So we as people, right now, are unable to truly realize relative utopian idea as one for all and all for one.



It is a universe where even the smallest, most out of the way person has the ability to rise above their station and truly make a difference in the universe be it at the helm of a starship or behind a desk.

Humanity where it stands now has a very long way to go. But once people start to look past the blinders in which they see only the here and now, I have hope that they will realize the power a single individual can have on the greater world.



Uhhh, I just want to blow stuff up man, stop bumming me out and making me think so hard :confused:

[rabidchocobo]

Take items such as cell phones,notice how similar in design they are to communicators. Transporter science is being worked on at MIT and the University of Maryland,and with some success at the moleculer level. There are not alot of advances in science(other then the field of robotics maybe)that can be directly linked to the Star Wars series.

Many modern scientists and inventors take their cue from Trek. A few have stated on the record that they designed something because it worked on Star Trek and it seemed viable. Lots of super high tech devices that I can't possibly understand were ripped directly, and so were conventional things too, like hospital beds that have instrumentation attached to them. I heard somewhere they were modeled from biobeds. Cell phones were, I'm certain, a direct port from Treks' communicators. I'm sure someone's working on transporters/replicators as well. Einstein's laws are just as applicable then as they are now. Just watch out for becoming a Cyrus Ramsey.

[lordpenquin]

Humanity where it stands now has a very long way to go. But once people start to look past the blinders in which they see only the here and now, I have hope that they will realize the power a single individual can have on the greater world.

And I think, ultimately, that is the lesson of Star Trek.

Devon Miles: Do you remember what Wilton always said? 'One man can make a difference'.

Michael Knight: I remember. But that man is not me anymore. Me is fishing and taking care of my Chevy outside. Me is taking advantage of life for a change instead of life taking advantage of me.

Devon Miles: No one ever suggested that what we do is easy. Nothing worthwile ever is.

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The true lesson of Star Trek. The one thing we must never forget is never,ever,I don't care how much you want to. I don't care what anyone tells you. Never buy a tribble. :D

[Neligahn]

But with the upcoming war against the Klingon Empire, could not Tribbles be our most valuable weapon?

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But with the upcoming war against the Klingon Empire, could not Tribbles be our most valuable weapon? Ahh,you make a good point,we should smuggle shiploads of Tribbles to their homeworld at once.:D