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ussawsomeness
10-03-2009, 04:07 PM
it is said you will start out as a miranda.
will you be "that noob with a miranda" and get made fun of for having a miranda?
cstaricha
10-03-2009, 04:09 PM
First....no offence to anyone i think they deserve their spot but they where a nice workhorse....100 years ago...or more.. so they are just poopy now with all these other ships that are out. But i doubt anyone will be called noobs becuase we ALL will have one.
Tamgros
10-03-2009, 04:09 PM
Will? already happend....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCE8q6StGdQ&feature=player_profilepage
mach789
10-03-2009, 04:10 PM
Looking at the ship list that came out friday, it actually looks like we'll have a choice of 3 starting ships (depending on which profession you chose I imagine).
Miranda
Centaur
Soyuz
lajkalove
10-03-2009, 04:20 PM
i want my miranda and explore the galaxy in it :D
jipi senior member now :D
Norexan-Guy
10-03-2009, 04:20 PM
They may not be laughed at when a server is open but they will later on.
Interdictor
10-03-2009, 04:26 PM
Bah - I played an Ice/Ice Tank in COH when everyone else said they sucked, and I'll be there in STO raids in my tricked-out-to-the-max Centaur as well!!! :D
Inquizitor
10-03-2009, 04:31 PM
Looking at the ship list that came out friday, it actually looks like we'll have a choice of 3 starting ships (depending on which profession you chose I imagine).
Miranda
Centaur
Soyuz
As though there is a difference between Soyuz and Miranda.
DanSeale
10-03-2009, 06:30 PM
A "basic" Miranda might be ok to start with ... but IMHO we need an updated version that matches the late (or post) TNG format and make it a viable asset in the Federation ship list. (Frankly if it were done correctly it WOULD be a viable asset.)
just my two cents worth (not that it matters).
erriku
10-03-2009, 07:14 PM
Mirandas would be great bait for ambushes lol.
Five Klingon BoP spot a single lonely Miranda in an asteroid field in the neutral zone. They engage the Miranda only to see four Defiants, three Sovereigns, two Galaxys, and a partridge in a pear tree hop out from behind the asteroids to pwn them back to the nearest Klingon base sans all their redshirts.
fyreblayd33
10-03-2009, 07:32 PM
First....no offence to anyone i think they deserve their spot but they where a nice workhorse....100 years ago...or more.. so they are just poopy now with all these other ships that are out. But i doubt anyone will be called noobs becuase we ALL will have one.
Hate to actually say it but release day for CO you had people running around calling people noobs. The people doing this were one's that had done the closed beta, open beta, and or head start. No matter what you will have jerks out there that will want to do nothing more than put other players down. So I fully expect this to happen in this game as well.
Kaybok
10-03-2009, 08:03 PM
Hate to actually say it but release day for CO you had people running around calling people noobs. The people doing this were one's that had done the closed beta, open beta, and or head start. No matter what you will have jerks out there that will want to do nothing more than put other players down. So I fully expect this to happen in this game as well.
One of the saddest things about human nature is the need of some to step on the heads of others to make ourselves feel taller.
CyanKorr
10-04-2009, 08:45 AM
Completely unrelated to the topic, but I just realized that the Nebula looks like a TNG-ized Miranda...
I love being a ST noob :D
ussawsomeness
10-04-2009, 10:45 AM
I really don't wanna be "that n00b"
Interdictor
10-04-2009, 10:47 AM
I really don't wanna be "that n00b"
Too late. ;)
Paulo999
10-04-2009, 10:49 AM
First....no offence to anyone i think they deserve their spot but they where a nice workhorse....100 years ago...or more.. so they are just poopy now with all these other ships that are out. But i doubt anyone will be called noobs becuase we ALL will have one.
what he said
Liberty
10-04-2009, 10:55 AM
I think they also should have a Tier 1 refit version of the Miranda or at least a collector edition version that is Tier 1. Yeah, Miranda being known as the noob ship hurts. It was and even up to the Battle of Wolf was a good ship.
However, I noticed some named classes on the Tier structure that we have heard nothing about. Maybe we will see a upgraded version of the Miranda much like the Intrepid got.
ransomwk
10-04-2009, 12:05 PM
A "basic" Miranda might be ok to start with ... but IMHO we need an updated version that matches the late (or post) TNG format and make it a viable asset in the Federation ship list. (Frankly if it were done correctly it WOULD be a viable asset.)
just my two cents worth (not that it matters).
Check out the Miranda II in Armada 2 Fleet Operations. She's a strong mid game ship, she's got resistances to enemy ships smaller than herself, and a bonus to attack against opponents less than battleships. Even in late game she's still pretty effective at picking off the support ships. She's got a phaser array, a pair of pulse phasers and a torpedo pod in the roll bar.
pretty fricken sweet if you ask me
Though if the ship were implemented in STO it would have to be at least a T2 escort, maybe T3..... T2 1/2? :p
it is said you will start out as a miranda.
will you be "that noob with a miranda" and get made fun of for having a miranda?
after a year or so the game is out I think you will start to see this.
Liberty
10-04-2009, 12:17 PM
There was one thread and I liked the idea where if you did something special in end game content you coudld earn an extra slot to improve a lower tiered vessel.
seanftd
10-04-2009, 01:59 PM
apparently your ment to be able to mod your ship in sertain ways so at pressent im not putting the miranda class down and i seen a vid tht im sure the guy was using a miranda and took out 3 birds of prey, dont shoot her down till you see wot shes capable of in game, 30 years on and voyager did come back from the delta quaderant with new things tht have been added toi the game for fed use, u never know it might kick you ass if u call the captain a noob lol
DanSeale
10-04-2009, 02:19 PM
Check out the Miranda II in Armada 2 Fleet Operations. She's a strong mid game ship, she's got resistances to enemy ships smaller than herself, and a bonus to attack against opponents less than battleships. Even in late game she's still pretty effective at picking off the support ships. She's got a phaser array, a pair of pulse phasers and a torpedo pod in the roll bar.
pretty fricken sweet if you ask me
Though if the ship were implemented in STO it would have to be at least a T2 escort, maybe T3..... T2 1/2? :p
I was hoping that the idea of the Seawolf Class (http://www.olbuzzard.net/images/SeaWolf90.jpg) might catch on. Please note I have taken the time to make alternate weapons pods and different pylons (just need some newer nacelle configurations) .. At any rate I'm certain that Cryptic would not want to use my models. I'm certain they can do better once they get the general idea
I'm also guess that T3 would be about right ??? maybe ?
(which is the only purpose for my posting this .. just offering an idea or suggestion as how to up-date the Miranda. That might also mean creating a "new class" that would reflect "roots" to the Miranda class. I think that the name "Seawolf" class might be cool. I hope this makes sense.)
TruthSeer
10-04-2009, 02:23 PM
apparently your ment to be able to mod your ship in sertain ways so at pressent im not putting the miranda class down and i seen a vid tht im sure the guy was using a miranda and took out 3 birds of prey, dont shoot her down till you see wot shes capable of in game, 30 years on and voyager did come back from the delta quaderant with new things tht have been added toi the game for fed use, u never know it might kick you ass if u call the captain a noob lol
Though in the game demo/video they also had "Dev I Win Mode" on.
Liberty
10-04-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm not really looking for a Tier 4 Miranda if you know what I mean. Just the look of the typical Miranda screams frigate or destroyer just by looking at it. But.... I would like to be able to hold my own in a large scale fleet battle or game event with a Miranda. Not sure thats going to be doable in a Tier 0 ship. Hard to say without playing the game but I doubt it. I'm not even sure about the survivability of Tier 1 vessles in large scale operations.
DanSeale
10-04-2009, 02:31 PM
I'm not really looking for a Tier 4 Miranda if you know what I mean. Just the look of the typical Miranda screams frigate or destroyer just by looking at it. But.... I would like to be able to hold my own in a large scale fleet battle or game event with a Miranda. Not sure thats going to be doable in a Tier 0 ship. Hard to say without playing the game but I doubt it. I'm not even sure about the survivability of Tier 1 vessles in large scale operations.
hmmm
IMHO that depends on how you look at a T4 ship. A "basic T4" ? ... A maxed out T3 with a really good crew should have the potential of being as affective as a T4 that is a basic ship... NOT one that is maxed out mind you ... only as "good" as a BASIC T4. There is no doubt a world of difference between a basic T4 that really has few modifications and only a basic crew to pilot the ship. Once a T4 is MAXED ... hehehehe that would be one awsome ship to pilot.
Liberty
10-04-2009, 02:34 PM
Right now the closest thing that looks somewhat like a Miranda and is high tiered would likely be the Luna Class. Heh. Notice I said somewhat. If you swapped out the saucer for something more circular it would look a little Mirandaish. I know.... Its not the same. I'm sure D-7 and Klingon Bird of Prey guys are in the same boat.
seanftd
10-04-2009, 04:03 PM
Though in the game demo/video they also had "Dev I Win Mode" on.
Dev I Win Mode you wot lol? wot is tht
My ship the NCC Noobranda
adamflux
10-04-2009, 05:50 PM
I'll be piloting my miranda and spamming the local zone "lfenterprise WOK duel"
you will all hate me for it.
TruthSeer
10-04-2009, 06:18 PM
Dev I Win Mode you wot lol? wot is tht
During the demonstration the game difficulty was ramped way down. It was a demo of combat not of dying. Which was why out of all the accounts no ever died, even ones who just sat there while the BoP's pounded on the ship.
Eclipse1987
10-04-2009, 06:37 PM
Let's be honest for a sec, the Best Miranda in game will have NO chance 1v1ing a stock Vo'Quv or simiarly tiered ship, If you wanna fly Miranda, you better learn to group with a LOT of other Miranda's...real quck or have a couple of Prometheus's escort ypu where ever you go.
overlordthor
10-04-2009, 06:47 PM
Let's be honest for a sec, the Best Miranda in game will have NO chance 1v1ing a stock Vo'Quv or simiarly tiered ship, If you wanna fly Miranda, you better learn to group with a LOT of other Miranda's...real quck or have a couple of Prometheus's escort ypu where ever you go.
I don't know, they might make them viable. The Miranda is small, fast and maneuverable compared with something like a Vo'quv, it would try and keep range on it, be maneuverable, dodge incoming fire, stay away from the fighters, hassle it from a distance. By the time you would work your way up to the Sovereign or whatever, your Miranda would be extremely well upgraded, if you had continued to work on it the whole time. Just don't try and rush into the ship fighting at close range.
DanSeale
10-04-2009, 07:12 PM
I don't know, they might make them viable. The Miranda is small, fast and maneuverable compared with something like a Vo'quv, it would try and keep range on it, be maneuverable, dodge incoming fire, stay away from the fighters, hassle it from a distance. By the time you would work your way up to the Sovereign or whatever, your Miranda would be extremely well upgraded, if you had continued to work on it the whole time. Just don't try and rush into the ship fighting at close range.
True ... to a point. BUT a Miranda is still a Miranda .. regardless of what you do to it. IMHO that is why we really need an up-dated hull / ship that reflects the history of the Miranda .. yet is still an update. ( I hope that makes sense.)
Eclipse1987
10-04-2009, 07:26 PM
True ... to a point. BUT a Miranda is still a Miranda .. regardless of what you do to it. IMHO that is why we really need an up-dated hull / ship that reflects the history of the Miranda .. yet is still an update. ( I hope that makes sense.)
It does & Buzzard I like your orginal ship it's one of the few BALANCED fan ships I've seen. If they were taking one fanship I'd vote for yours, alass it's to much legal mumbo jumbo to do it.
I don't know, they might make them viable. The Miranda is small, fast and maneuverable compared with something like a Vo'quv, it would try and keep range on it, be maneuverable, dodge incoming fire, stay away from the fighters, hassle it from a distance. By the time you would work your way up to the Sovereign or whatever, your Miranda would be extremely well upgraded, if you had continued to work on it the whole time. Just don't try and rush into the ship fighting at close range.
I don't think so, their is a limit to how much you can upgrade a ship, in the miranda's case it is about t1.5 or so.
That said no t1.5 ship will ever match a t3 or t4.
In one of the first ask cryptics they say if weaker ships wanna deal with the bigger one's they'll have to group and even then they only have a "reasonable chance of sucsess". and with a Vo'Quv's 'omni-directional beam, nuetronium ablative armor , squadron of smaller manuverable fighters and multi layered shield's I don't see the stick and move strategy working in 1 on 1 you could probably try that for a few days before a Vo'Quv would even noticed it.
Liberty
10-04-2009, 08:45 PM
I'm not really interested in taking on and trying to beat a T4 Klingon ship in a Miranda. I mean... I might throw a few shots at one during a big group fight but I know that I would be out matched toe to toe. However, I would like to still try to make it through end game combat in a Miranda. I might not be able to solo the end game combat missions but I don't see why I couldn't explore in a Miranda in end game exploration missions or take away teams to planets in a Miranda.
I still think that one of the best things that they could do for low tier ships is to have a separate list of awards that each ship in your inventory can earn in addition to ones your captain earns. (Call them badges, commendations, campaign ribbons, medals. etc) It would be a tougher challenge taking on those high end missions in a low tier ship but it would be cool to show that I completed the mission in a Miranda as opposed to someone who had to take a T3 in to do it.
Looking at the ship list that came out friday, it actually looks like we'll have a choice of 3 starting ships (depending on which profession you chose I imagine).
Miranda
Centaur
Soyuz
wait a sec... wasnt the soyuz a vulcan ship? or did i mixed that up with something else?
Interdictor
10-04-2009, 11:19 PM
wait a sec... wasnt the soyuz a vulcan ship? or did i mixed that up with something else?
Nope - Soyuz is a Miranda variant (apparently different enough to warrant a new class designation). I think the only one seen on screen was during the TNG "Groundhog Day" episode, the USS Bozeman captained by Fraiser.
ryuto
10-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Personally, I'm going with a Centaur class ship. Specifically the USS Archer (NCC-44278). :D
And, yes, Soyuz is a Miranda variant. Memory Alpha Link: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Soyuz_class
DanSeale
10-05-2009, 05:07 PM
It does & Buzzard I like your orginal ship it's one of the few BALANCED fan ships I've seen. If they were taking one fanship I'd vote for yours, alass it's to much legal mumbo jumbo to do it.
Believe me when I tell you I DO understand completely ... yet there are always possibilities. Cryptic has a very resourceful staff ... and they know where and how to contact me if any questions were needed to be answered.
BTW... thanks for the vote of appreciation in the modeling .... That is something that is always an encouragement for me to keep trying harder to develope ships that "work" well within the Trek genres. I have some other stuff that might be a bit far fetched .... but that's another story ! ;)
SenatorPardek
10-05-2009, 06:03 PM
A "basic" Miranda might be ok to start with ... but IMHO we need an updated version that matches the late (or post) TNG format and make it a viable asset in the Federation ship list. (Frankly if it were done correctly it WOULD be a viable asset.)
just my two cents worth (not that it matters).
I agree, it would have been nice to see a more extended light cruiser line, or see more options in the fourth tier. All and all though I'm pretty pleased with the ship offerings so far.
Replica
10-05-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm hoping that the power difference between tiers isn't so great as to have the NZ become an "Admirals Only" zone two months after launch. In my idea of good balance, three well piloted T1 ships could take down a single slightly foolish T4. Not like other MMOs where a new character can't even hit ,or do appreciable damage to, a high level character, regardless of actual player skill.
Nope - Soyuz is a Miranda variant (apparently different enough to warrant a new class designation). I think the only one seen on screen was during the TNG "Groundhog Day" episode, the USS Bozeman captained by Fraiser.
Personally, I'm going with a Centaur class ship. Specifically the USS Archer (NCC-44278). :D
And, yes, Soyuz is a Miranda variant. Memory Alpha Link: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Soyuz_class
ah, i see, thanks guys. just wondering now, what ship i had in mind... o0
Admiral-Darren-Wright
10-05-2009, 09:18 PM
Mirandas would be great bait for ambushes lol.
Five Klingon BoP spot a single lonely Miranda in an asteroid field in the neutral zone. They engage the Miranda only to see four Defiants, three Sovereigns, two Galaxys, and a partridge in a pear tree hop out from behind the asteroids to pwn them back to the nearest Klingon base sans all their redshirts.
Hahah love this quote !! haha
CptWirges
10-05-2009, 09:55 PM
I'm hoping they change all this ship class thing they have going on, and let you freely decide what ship you want and give you a runabout to start on. (according to majority of trek sites the Runabout is a starship not a shuttle)
WinterPark1701
10-06-2009, 03:21 AM
Looking at the ship list that came out friday, it actually looks like we'll have a choice of 3 starting ships (depending on which profession you chose I imagine).
Miranda
Centaur
Soyuz
The Soyuz is just a Miranda variant with lots of extra crap glued on and to big cannons on the lower hull which if you as me was really freaking cool
Pontious
10-06-2009, 03:31 AM
Of course you'll be made fun of ... it is just a Miranda-class, afterall ....
Nestro
10-06-2009, 04:24 AM
I think in STO its so much more easy to seperate the goodies from the badies. No need to apply a quality filter, just let them use active disqualifiers (such words as "noob" and the like). I will not play with them. I am convinced that STO will be home of many players who really respect the ip, making them choose appropriate names for their ships/avatars/fleets. And i will only play with that type of players. Any other will instantly get on my ingorelist inevitably. Makes spaces much more silent, thus more realistic :)