View Full Version : What if Trelane is the ancient enemy and not the Borg?
Sir_Cedric
10-03-2009, 08:01 AM
The Borg is a give for a bad guy in STO, but what if it's really Trelane come back to start trouble again?
After watching "The Squire of Gothos", he didn't leave on a good note, and he was a child in the TOS timeline. Maybe he is back and causing more trouble with the Federation and Klingons. I mean he did have Q like powers, and he did Chase the Enterprise with a Planet. lol
While I am on old TOS Episodes, whatever happened to the planet from "Shore Leave" ? Before there was holo decks, that planet made anything you thought up. So will this planet be in STO?
BreachAndClear
10-03-2009, 08:05 AM
The only "ancient" threat out of ST canon that is "returning" that really jump out at me are the Borg and the Hur'q. The Borg are so well known that I'd think it would be anticlimactic to have them be the big surprise thread (since we already know they'll be back in the game).
And yes, I know that there are more possibilities than just these two. It would be nice to see Trelane to crop up (I mean we know some TOS entities like the Guardian will crop up), but for him to be the big threat seems... odd.
wrussandrews
10-03-2009, 08:06 AM
Trelane?
That guy *still* has not grown up?
Bounder
10-03-2009, 08:15 AM
He's back. And he's bad. And this time Mommy and Daddy are not there to stop his tantrums.
Trelane 2, coming soon to a quadrant near you.
Sir_Cedric
10-03-2009, 08:17 AM
Well if he's not a major player, he would still make for a good episode mission for us to do. :D
The.Grand.Nagus
10-03-2009, 08:19 AM
What if Trelane is the ancient enemy and not the Borg?
...then I guess we'll fight them? :p
Musterion
10-03-2009, 08:26 AM
The Borg aren't the ancient threat :o
Paulo999
10-03-2009, 08:27 AM
meh i dont see the borg as an ancient threat.. if anything their just an anooying pest
hur'q = owww maybe
maybe the iconions?? maybes they were at war with some Evil badass species and.. well.. lost.
species 8472 ??? :S maybe.. if ya give them a good backstory
Varrangian
10-03-2009, 08:35 AM
My biggest problem with the Hur'q is that this would be stealing from Star Trek Invasion to use them.
As for Trelane he was always more impish than an actual threat in my opinion clearly the inspiration for Q.
laladiel
10-03-2009, 08:44 AM
if you go by some of the books.(i know that cryptic will be picky about books and comics and that) he was a Q.john delancy's Q had picard babysit him for a little while.he and his buddies may be the threat, but dont think so.
mufti09
10-03-2009, 08:44 AM
Tralane?
He's a Q, so I guess you could bring in the Q., which would be fun.
beast0382
10-03-2009, 09:27 AM
Acient threat could be Iconians, Adromedians, the Hur'k, Hell even the First Federation is potential on the list. Hell it could be a reference to what today's UFO conspiracy theorists today call greys. Another one that could qualify could even be the Doom's Day machiene. Those things do scare me... munching on planets for fuel.
Keep in mind, this IS Star Trek. the impossible could be possible. The unexpected does happen.
Forgotten-Nemesis
10-03-2009, 09:30 AM
I don't think any of the Q would be enemies to fight. Q always had the power to make the whole milky way galaxy vanish with a single thought. He and his race are so advanced that they are too powerful to be a threat that any mortal race could fight.
Q was even at a point where he found more pleasure and curiosity in interacting with living people just to see how they handled the situations he threw at them. when you're omnipotent and can do everything(and probably have), the only real mystery left to hold your interest must be in the free will and independent minds of other beings.
adamflux
10-03-2009, 09:43 AM
my theories for ancient enemies, based on what is actually ancient by Trek standards:
augments
mirror intruders****personal favorite
hur'q
devidians (the time traveling life sucker snake guys)
kelvans (the giant tentacle beast things that took human form and can turn people into D&D dice)
misanthropic T'Kon or Iconian survivors
though the pah wraiths and the god entity from ST5 and other such things make cool villains, they're not really suitable for anything but high level endgame stuff imo. i would totally ask what god needs with my profits :D
An ancient threat? A threat from long ago and a galaxy far, far away? :D
Personally, i'd like to see species 8472. There's some great lore not just to be told, but to be developped there.
Like their name, for instance :p
knightofhyrule730
10-03-2009, 10:09 AM
im pretty sure some dev said that it wasn't the borg.
Archangelwoghd
10-03-2009, 10:51 AM
Trelane was a young "Q"
mufti09
10-03-2009, 11:32 AM
An ancient threat? A threat from long ago and a galaxy far, far away? :D
Personally, i'd like to see species 8472. There's some great lore not just to be told, but to be developped there.
Like their name, for instance :p
Yeah, I'll assume it's Species 8472 teamed up with Sela.
adamflux
10-03-2009, 11:50 AM
Yeah, I'll assume it's Species 8472 teamed up with Sela.
cuz that worked out so well for the borg in armada lol
rlane894
10-03-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't think its Species 8472. Janeway discovered them around 2372? It's only been ~40 years.
Not quite what I'd consider 'ancient'.
laladiel
10-03-2009, 12:00 PM
Yeah, I'll assume it's Species 8472 teamed up with Sela.
from the description and the way they were talking, it sounded more like the hunters from voyager to me.cant remember the name of their spiecies, but they captured voyager, erased everyone's memory, then put them into world war 2 France on the holodeck.
QuantaStarfire
10-03-2009, 12:31 PM
Yeah, I'll assume it's Species 8472 teamed up with Sela.
The supplemental log suggests Hirogen.
http://www.startrekonline.com/2391.1
ryuto
10-03-2009, 01:01 PM
Doomsday Machine Invasion! :D
Drovaron
10-03-2009, 01:09 PM
Could be the Xindi. Remember an episode from Enterprise when Daniels takes Archer to the future onboard the Enterprise-G, where Starfleets battling them over the expanse. If this has any truth for STO.
just a thought.
QuantaStarfire
10-03-2009, 01:11 PM
Could be the Xindi. Remember a episode from Enterprise when Daniels takes Archer to the future onboard the Enterprise-G, where Starfleets battling them over the expanse.
just a thought.
Those were the Sphere Builders, not the Xindi. The Xindi were part of the Federation at that point.
rlane894
10-03-2009, 01:11 PM
Could be the Xindi. Remember a episode from Enterprise when Daniels takes Archer to the future onboard the Enterprise-G, where Starfleets battling them over the expanse. If this has any truth for STO.
just a thought.
Daniels took Archer back to prove that humans and the Xindi would be friends in the future.
Drovaron
10-03-2009, 01:14 PM
Ah.
Just had to look it up.
Was the Enterprise-J instead of G i commented and was in the 26th century which is too far ahead for STO.
Not Xindi then. lol.
TruthSeer
10-03-2009, 01:17 PM
I'd really like to see the Hur'q. Especially if they do the insectoid design route.
J.L.Picard
10-03-2009, 01:24 PM
last episode of S1 or was it second to last. the one with the bugs. its not eh borg and it wont be Species 8472 unless they follow Armada 2.
mufti09
10-03-2009, 01:28 PM
Doomsday Machine Invasion! :D
~shoves Captain Sol into the front line~
rlane894
10-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I think it's the Kelvan's (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kelvan). They were described as a ruthless conquering race. They were last seen during Kirk's time so that would qualify as ancient. They mentioned that the rest of their ships were on the way, but the distance was great so that would explain why we haven't seen them.
BreachAndClear
10-03-2009, 02:53 PM
Depends what qualifies as "ancient." In DS9 they refer to baseball as an "ancient" Earth sport. I don't know if the ENT era - and thus the sphere builders - qualifies as "ancient" (it may, it may not).
ryuto
10-03-2009, 04:10 PM
Depends what qualifies as "ancient." In DS9 they refer to baseball as an "ancient" Earth sport. I don't know if the ENT era - and thus the sphere builders - qualifies as "ancient" (it may, it may not).
Sphere builders would be cool, IMO. I'd love to run into a crazy expanse area that you'd have to navigate through.
Wait, the Kelvans? Can we even fight Extra-Galactic invaders that can turn us into D20s for their D&D games on a whim?
booster42
10-03-2009, 06:53 PM
It's the Horta! :eek:
phlyto
10-03-2009, 09:18 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Parasites from the TNG "Conspiracy" episodes.
Kaybok
10-03-2009, 09:43 PM
Doomsday Machine Invasion! :D
Ding ding ding! Yep! I believe its the Doomsday Machine - will require large fleets of Federation and Klingon ships to destroy.
I think it's the Kelvan's (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kelvan). They were described as a ruthless conquering race. They were last seen during Kirk's time so that would qualify as ancient. They mentioned that the rest of their ships were on the way, but the distance was great so that would explain why we haven't seen them.
Hmm... that's a good one... Very good possibility too.
ryuto
10-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Ding ding ding! Yep! I believe its the Doomsday Machine - will require large fleets of Federation and Klingon ships to destroy.
I remember it being hinted at that the Doomsday Machine might have been an Anti-Borg weapon built by an ancient race that was later assimilated by the Borg and are going about their programming though some were corrupted over the eons. Though, I think all that was in Perpetual's build of the game. Other Machines might still make a good enemy especially if the Borg are invading the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
DaemonBorn
10-04-2009, 10:29 AM
Been a while since i read the "invasion" books but the Furies would be about as ancient as you could get. Or theres the freaky organic bug things that kicked them out the galaxy.
rlane894
10-04-2009, 12:02 PM
Been a while since i read the "invasion" books but the Furies would be about as ancient as you could get. Or theres the freaky organic bug things that kicked them out the galaxy.
Sorry, the books don't qualify as cannon.
This whole subject has me thinking. What if "ancient threat" doesn't mean history, but ancient as in age. That puts a new spin on it. Then we'd have to include everything from V'ger to that cylinder thing that talks to whales from ST IV.
Crap, I have to start all over again!
Liberty
10-04-2009, 12:06 PM
Tribbles.
The Klingons already had one war with them and this time its personal. :eek:
rlane894
10-04-2009, 12:09 PM
Heh, heh, Tribbles.
I always keep one on my desk, no wait, two. Crap, three!
headlockman
10-04-2009, 12:10 PM
it could be some evil tribbles :eek:
Liberty
10-04-2009, 12:11 PM
Well.... If the Borg assimilated the tribbles..... With their replicating powers in combination of Borg nanites..... um..... Scary.
Archangelwoghd
10-04-2009, 12:17 PM
I'm hoping the "ancient Enemy" is the entities from "Day of the Dove", as I've stated in another thread, because it would explain all of the inconsistancies in PvP combat, such as why the combat never ends, and nobody ever dies.
Kaybok
10-04-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm hoping the "ancient Enemy" is the entities from "Day of the Dove", as I've stated in another thread, because it would explain all of the inconsistancies in PvP combat, such as why the combat never ends, and nobody ever dies.
Pfffftttt!!!! You're just concerned coz you won't be able to die in honorable combat! Fek'lhr and all the dishonored of Gre'thor await you! :eek:
Liberty
10-04-2009, 12:44 PM
I wonder if Mirrorverse counts as ancient enemy or not. Would the Kzinti? They were suppose to be in the next season of Enterprise before it was cancelled.
TruthSeer
10-04-2009, 12:46 PM
it could be some evil tribbles :eek:
http://inyourwater.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/critters.jpg
Mirror Tribbles.
rlane894
10-04-2009, 12:52 PM
http://inyourwater.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/critters.jpg
Mirror Tribbles.
Don't get them wet. Don't feed them after midnight. Don't let them drool on Phoebe Cates.
Archangelwoghd
10-04-2009, 03:08 PM
Pfffftttt!!!! You're just concerned coz you won't be able to die in honorable combat! Fek'lhr and all the dishonored of Gre'thor await you! :eek:
Well, there's that too, K'plah!
VulcanWarrior
10-04-2009, 05:26 PM
God help us all.
mufti09
10-08-2009, 07:25 AM
It could always be the bad Suliban (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Suliban) plot line, since that is about as ancient as it gets in Star Trek/Federation history enemy wise.
WikiUltimate
10-08-2009, 09:11 AM
The Borg aren't the ancient threat :o
ditto
Posible anchent threats:
V'Ger, Hur'q, Sphere builders, augments
Faerlzress
10-08-2009, 09:22 AM
It seems like the Iconians (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Iconian) would make a good species to bring back for an expansion.
Their technology would allow travel to odd locations.
Kazzy
10-08-2009, 09:54 AM
I'm liking this iconian idea
Rangerrob
10-08-2009, 10:08 AM
Tholians...
just my guess.
majicebe
10-08-2009, 02:13 PM
I have a feeling the great enemy will be Species 8472. They've had a couple screenshots of'em, and recently in the "the path" they spoke about a nebula where they may have a presence.
I'd like to see some truly ancient races in the game as friends/enemies, but I have a feeling 8472 is gonna be the primary bad guy.
Capt_Dracon_Darknight
10-08-2009, 02:24 PM
Well I think its "God" or at least the thing Q trapped in the center of the universe long ago, claiming to be God.
He would be ancient, a real threat too since he's powerful enough to mess with Q.
But that also brings up an old question....
" Why hell does God need a spaceship?!"
ChicksDigHarleys
10-08-2009, 02:37 PM
If Trelane is the ancient enemy, I will cancel immediately.
kvanm030
10-10-2009, 12:27 PM
There are quite a few things I thought it might be (even just using the shows in the sense of their content being canon "law").
Both the Hur'q and Iconians seem to be popular (or at least mentioned) as far as speculation goes. Also, in the "What we know about STO" thread, people have mentioned the Voth (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Voth) or the race that built the Doomsday Machine from TOS. However, to standard parlance, "ancient" is anything older than about 1500-2000 years. That being said, I direct your attention to the Memory Alpha article on Distant Past:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Distant_past
Literally any civilization or species therein could be this threat... and there are many of them to choose from. Also, there are the Menthar and Promelians from that one episode of TNG, where the Enterprise falls prey to an old booby trap, although they date from the 14th C. and aren't really that ancient.
mufti09
10-10-2009, 01:05 PM
There are quite a few things I thought it might be (even just using the shows in the sense of their content being canon "law").
Both the Hur'q and Iconians seem to be popular (or at least mentioned) as far as speculation goes. Also, in the "What we know about STO" thread, people have mentioned the Voth (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Voth) or the race that built the Doomsday Machine from TOS. However, to standard parlance, "ancient" is anything older than about 1500-2000 years. That being said, I direct your attention to the Memory Alpha article on Distant Past:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Distant_past
Literally any civilization or species therein could be this threat... and there are many of them to choose from. Also, there are the Menthar and Promelians from that one episode of TNG, where the Enterprise falls prey to an old booby trap, although they date from the 14th C. and aren't really that ancient.
Interesting stuff there, but to me "An Ancient Threat" implies something that had threatened either the KE/UFP or the Alpha Quadrent before.
So, something from Enterprise, ToS or TaS.
Kayden
10-10-2009, 02:01 PM
I say bring it! I will stop all those pose a threat to the Klingon Empire! :D
Depends what qualifies as "ancient." In DS9 they refer to baseball as an "ancient" Earth sport. I don't know if the ENT era - and thus the sphere builders - qualifies as "ancient" (it may, it may not).
I like this IDEA too.....I like ENT era stuff.
ecsakron
10-10-2009, 08:06 PM
I'm gonna go with nazi's. they've been in the shows more than once and could be interpreted as ancient.
Arsmajka
10-10-2009, 08:25 PM
My vote is Harry Mudd:eek:
Brenelael
10-10-2009, 08:33 PM
Maybe the Iotians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_%28TOS_episode%29) took apart McCoy's communicator, figured out how it worked, built there own fancy heaters and starships and now they've come back to take a piece of our action... It could happen. :D
Bren
TFO_KillSwitch
10-10-2009, 08:39 PM
maybe its veger.
all they showed was them . they really didnt say what hapen to both of them?
THORN74
10-10-2009, 08:48 PM
I think it's the Kelvan's (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kelvan). They were described as a ruthless conquering race. They were last seen during Kirk's time so that would qualify as ancient. They mentioned that the rest of their ships were on the way, but the distance was great so that would explain why we haven't seen them.
i have sated this guess as well many times. given the description we have been given the kelvins are the most likely race to fill the "ancient threat".
they possessed sufficent technology to still be a threat and their armada was on the way. The fact that TNG, DS9, and Voyager never picked up the storyline leaves it ripe for use.