Klingon science ships?

[Norexan-Guy]

Armada II hinted us that there was at least one class of science ship that the Klingons fielded. The Fek'lhr-class (it appeared in Armada II as a science ship and in SFC3 as a heavy cruiser)

If any of you is a Starcraft veteran, the only major differences between the Terran Battlecruiser and the Fek'lhr-class is that the weapon hardpoints were replaced by warp nacelles. At least, the lower ones anyway. And that SFC3 shrunk the impulse engines.

[Mogfire]

Yes that was a really cool ship and I played that game a lot but i don't think Cryptic can obtain the licensing to that ship without a hefty cost from Activision who owns at least half or all the rights to that design.

The Fek'lhr class
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Fek%27lhr_class

[Acyl]

Doesitmatter is right. It's unlikely the Fek'lhr-class will appear in STO. Not impossible, but unlikely.

See, ST: Armada and Starfleet Command were Activision games. I dunno whether all the original stuff Activision came up with for the game still belongs to Activision - but it's quite likely it does.

If Activision still owns creative rights to the Fek'lhr, then it's not likely Cryptic will use it. Cryptic's license agreement is with CBS/Paramount, and not with other game studios that made previous Trek games.

Most likely Cryptic will only stick to canon stuff - ie. ships that have appeared on TV or in films. There's no question about the rights for those.

But if you're talking about the Fek'lhr as an example of the kinda thing we might see in STO...then yeah, sure. Cryptic will almost certainly invent their own Klingon ships, though.

However, weren't we told that the STO Klingon ship categories were 'Raider', 'Cruiser', and 'Carrier'? ie. Klingons have 'Carrier', not 'Science' vessels as their third type of ship.

[Replica]

Are there [I]any[/I canon Klingon science vessels? The shows and movies were from the perspective of the inside the Federation, so they really only show Federation life. If STO is going to show Klingon life, then they need to go beyond on screen canon. Otherwise the Klingons end up being two dimensional and bland comparatively, and we might as well just have Klingons in PvP done the same way LotRO does Monster Play.

[Norexan-Guy]

Maybe carriers would have some science capability...

Any Klingon science ship of the size of the Fek'lhr-class would probably be a tier-3 carrier.

[Varrangian]

Is this not really a moot point? I mean we've been told the Klingon ship roles will be Raider, Cruiser and Carrier.

[Deadjester1]

I would think there would be Klingon Science Vessels otherwise how would house fight each other if they can't find each other because they are all Cloaked.

[Mogfire]

If we look at the Klingon ship tree as Raider, Cruiser and Carriers than the only confirmed Carrier/Science/support ship for the Klingon's is the Vo'Quv Super Carrier. Leaving three opened Tiers for new Klingon ship designs in this category. (Possibly a Fek'lhr class lookalike)

Knowing this we'll just have to wait and see what they come up with since you can easily throw a modified BOP in the mix when you have a design philosophy of Warship first and what's ever needed second.

I think the main point is how will Cyrptic balance out the KDF carrier ships vs Starfleet science ships in the supporting role of the game.

[Varrangian]

I would think there would be Klingon Science Vessels otherwise how would house fight each other if they can't find each other because they are all Cloaked.

Why do they have to have a dedicated science ship to detect cloak? First it has been said that there is an ability for Science Bridge Officers to detect cloak. Second, the Klingons are likely to have cloak detecting technology as a part of every ship, since they would need to be able to know where even friendly Klingon cloaked ships were during battle.

[Varrangian]

I think it is important to review something in this discussion. The Klingons style of play will be different from the Federation. From what has been hinted at (especially in that great interview Tamgros did with Craig) it appears Klingons will be more combat focused in their game play. This makes perfect sense of course.

For this reason, I do not see Klingons needing or desiring the abilities of a dedicated science ship. This is not to say they don't utilize science, as we know the Klingon career paths will be the same as the Federation, but they use science differently. Look at the Augment virus episodes from ENT. Klingons are more interested in using Science as a tool than as a means to its own ends. For this reason I think the use of science officers and stations on ships will reflect this predisposition.

[BreachAndClear]

Will since ship type has to do with seating arrangement, the three tiers could easily have differentiated seating arrangements catering to the different careers, without it being overly blatant in the ships name or design.

[adamflux]

play borg, ssimilate the fed and klingon tech trees, build your cubes to carry Engine Overload and Nebula Generation. Easiest way I found to kill large fleets with a single ship that isn't a fusion cube.

of course, i'm a big fan of the Ultritium Diamond rush. Assimilator rush is cool if you can pull it off b/c you leave a graveyard of derelicts in your wake, but it's generally impractical isn't it.

I would SO like to see the Fek'lhr and Nebula, I hope the two make it into the game, they were the most inteligent and fun science ships to build in armada.

[overlordthor]

I'm going to go with Cruisers being the Klingon Science ship. Not because its dedicated toward science, but because its a well rounded ship, the rough equivalent of your Constitution, Galaxy, Excelsior...

Ships like the Vorcha, the K'tinga, and the D7, and perhaps when the Negh'var is common, the Negh'var. The reason being is that these are the larger ships, mounting lots of things. These are the more well rounded ones, equal to the Federation Cruisers.

In fact, the Vorcha went on a scientific Survey mission in the Gamma Quadrant. Its basically the rough equivalent to the Galaxy, a little smaller and more maneuverable of course.

Instead of straightforward scientific ships like the Oberth, it seems they have the well rounded cruisers perform those duties, when its not needed for war, much like the Galaxy, Constitution... They build some well rounded ships. If they need a ship to perform special science missions, they have alternative refits of the ships.

[Archangelwoghd]

Are there [I]any[/I canon Klingon science vessels?

I intend to play a Klingon scientist when the game comes out. People may not realize it, but we caught a glimps of the klingon scientist in Kruge. He retrieved and analysed scientific data on the Genesis planet, even went on a scientific away mission to explore the planet.

Yes, they were EXPLORING.

They had tricorders out and weapons holstered! Now ol' Kruge didn't exactly explore science the way humans do, but then let's remember he was an alien. He was also probably not completely trained in Klingon science. Had he been, his mission would likely have been successful.

:)

[adamflux]

You know, now that I think about it, there's not much in the way of a gaurantee that the klingon faction is even going to be aligned along the same model as the feds. There's nothing that says they HAVE to have scienc officers.

In fact, the way that they've been given carriers is a good example of how the klingon faction might operate under a different model altogether. the idea of Raider ships might mean we're talking about faster, cloaking capable ships for hit and run players, the carrier that we've seen is clearly meant as a doomsday ship for the power-mad players. The klingon equivalent of a science vessel may just be a ship equipped with more unusual weaponry rather than an advanced sensor/laboratory platform.

Maybe where the feds have "cleric" like science officers, klingons will have more "mage" like scientists. not a role with medical skills or sensor tricks, but glass cannons with cloaking-fire torpedoes or long range tri-cobalt devices.

The occurrence of klingon scientists in cannon is pretty exclusively geared towards weapon development.

[Varrangian]

I'm going to go with Cruisers being the Klingon Science ship. Not because its dedicated toward science, but because its a well rounded ship, the rough equivalent of your Constitution, Galaxy, Excelsior...

Ships like the Vorcha, the K'tinga, and the D7, and perhaps when the Negh'var is common, the Negh'var. The reason being is that these are the larger ships, mounting lots of things. These are the more well rounded ones, equal to the Federation Cruisers.

In fact, the Vorcha went on a scientific Survey mission in the Gamma Quadrant. Its basically the rough equivalent to the Galaxy, a little smaller and more maneuverable of course.

Instead of straightforward scientific ships like the Oberth, it seems they have the well rounded cruisers perform those duties, when its not needed for war, much like the Galaxy, Constitution... They build some well rounded ships. If they need a ship to perform special science missions, they have alternative refits of the ships.

I can buy that Klingon Cruisers would serve as the more science tilted ships. Though on if "engineering" is one of the possible roles for ships (I believe the Excalibur mentions some engineering functions) I could see the Carriers having some of these abilities as well.

I intend to play a Klingon scientist when the game comes out. People may not realize it, but we caught a glimps of the klingon scientist in Kruge. He retrieved and analysed scientific data on the Genesis planet, even went on a scientific away mission to explore the planet.

Yes, they were EXPLORING.

They had tricorders out and weapons holstered! Now ol' Kruge didn't exactly explore science the way humans do, but then let's remember he was an alien. He was also probably not completely trained in Klingon science. Had he been, his mission would likely have been successful.

:)

Again, no one has argued that Klingons do not have science, but their intentions for the use of that science is what is at question. In Search for Spock it was the potential for destruction that made the Genesis device so interesting to the Klingons.

[BreachAndClear]

You know, now that I think about it, there's not much in the way of a gaurantee that the klingon faction is even going to be aligned along the same model as the feds. There's nothing that says they HAVE to have scienc officers.

In fact, the way that they've been given carriers is a good example of how the klingon faction might operate under a different model altogether. the idea of Raider ships might mean we're talking about faster, cloaking capable ships for hit and run players, the carrier that we've seen is clearly meant as a doomsday ship for the power-mad players. The klingon equivalent of a science vessel may just be a ship equipped with more unusual weaponry rather than an advanced sensor/laboratory platform.

Maybe where the feds have "cleric" like science officers, klingons will have more "mage" like scientists. not a role with medical skills or sensor tricks, but glass cannons with cloaking-fire torpedoes or long range tri-cobalt devices.

The occurrence of klingon scientists in cannon is pretty exclusively geared towards weapon development.

I don't know the source of the top of my head (I think it was one of the dev chats) where it was said the Klingons would have the same career paths as the Federation. In space they'll play differently, but on the ground I think they - like the Federation - are restricted to science, engineering, and tactical.

[Varrangian]

You know, now that I think about it, there's not much in the way of a gaurantee that the klingon faction is even going to be aligned along the same model as the feds. There's nothing that says they HAVE to have scienc officers.

In fact, the way that they've been given carriers is a good example of how the klingon faction might operate under a different model altogether. the idea of Raider ships might mean we're talking about faster, cloaking capable ships for hit and run players, the carrier that we've seen is clearly meant as a doomsday ship for the power-mad players. The klingon equivalent of a science vessel may just be a ship equipped with more unusual weaponry rather than an advanced sensor/laboratory platform.

Maybe where the feds have "cleric" like science officers, klingons will have more "mage" like scientists. not a role with medical skills or sensor tricks, but glass cannons with cloaking-fire torpedoes or long range tri-cobalt devices.

The occurrence of klingon scientists in cannon is pretty exclusively geared towards weapon development.

There was an Ask Cryptic or Dev chat where Craig said that the Klingon career paths will be the same as the Federation career paths.

[Norexan-Guy]

How I see carriers is that they would be more or less used as science ships if it was unable to carry fighters (or was otherwise devoid of fighters) I'd say that, although they may have science abilities, Klingons will not play a science ship/carrier the same way as the Feds would.

[Interdictor]

Are there [I]any[/I canon Klingon science vessels?
Considering the 3 types of Klingon ships are Raider, Cruiser and Carrier, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of Klingon science. Then again, I've often pictured Klingon science to be more akin to "will it blend? (http://www.youtube.com/user/blendtec?blend=1&ob=4)", so potentially ALL klingon ships can expand the fronteirs of Klingon knoiwledge!

[Inquizitor]

Armada II hinted us that there was at least one class of science ship that the Klingons fielded. The Fek'lhr-class (it appeared in Armada II as a science ship and in SFC3 as a heavy cruiser)

If any of you is a Starcraft veteran, the only major differences between the Terran Battlecruiser and the Fek'lhr-class is that the weapon hardpoints were replaced by warp nacelles. At least, the lower ones anyway. And that SFC3 shrunk the impulse engines.

I will be suprised if Cryptic doesn't try to pull ship classes from any and all Material they can scrounge together for the Klingon classes. WE also have Gorn and Orion designs to play with over there. I ahve a feeling the KLingon side is going to look alot more diverse than the Federation side as a result. For the federation we have 3 variants that more or less look teh same. On the klingonside you have an orion, Klingon, and Gorn ship all in teh same tier.