View Full Version : STO Finally! At Last....But probably not ever again.
Sportzter
09-25-2009, 03:27 PM
STO is finally coming - the game really has life to it...Screen Shots, Characters, the Star Trek Universe!!
So here is the downside....
This is it. This is what the Star Trek MMO is going to be, whatever it is in its final stage. But more pointedly, There are no mulligans. No Do overs. If this doesn't work out (for whatever the reason) we will most likely never see anything like this for the ST universe.
This game is not like WOW where Blizzard made a universe from a game and fashioned it as so. This is Star Trek. A mega successful franchise with people that know more about the History of Trek than they do about the History of their own country. To say this is a big deal is a colossal understatement.
Cryptic - I have loved the two MMO's that you have released so far. I think you are showing to be a great steward of the franchise. This game is for Star Trek Fans (the millions and millions of Trek Fans). Which is not to say that non Trek fans cant play, but if they do it is a bonus, not a necessity.- dont feel as though you have to pull a JJ to bring in the rest of the masses. You have the Trek Loyalists and enthusiasts, and we are hungry for the great product you are creating.
Keep up the solid work and remember, there is probably only one go around.
Commander_Nate
09-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Hostile Avatar Detected!!!!
Shields Up! Fire Phasers!
Full Quantum Spread!!!!
/Lays in course for Fenway
:mad: :mad: :mad:
TruthSeer
09-25-2009, 03:34 PM
Your right this is our one shot at a Star Trek MMO.
Just like Star Wars, they had their one chance and now there will never be another one..... oh wait. :D
thefreshjedi
09-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Your right this is our one shot at a Star Trek MMO.
Just like Star Wars, they had their one chance and now there will never be another one..... oh wait. :D
Yeah, who'd want to play another Star Wars MMO, that was better done, and hopefully learned from it's original mistakes. :p
-avery
knightofhyrule730
09-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Your right this is our one shot at a Star Trek MMO.
Just like Star Wars, they had their one chance and now there will never be another one..... oh wait. :D
stole my joke :(
in addition, MMOs are constantly changing and evolving. if the game is missing something you want, check back in a year or two, we may have added it. However, its better if you pay for the game and sub now, so that cryptic doesnt have to worry about finances over those two years :P
Jakebob
09-25-2009, 03:37 PM
I just hope people keep in mind that patches, etc.. are usually necessary after any game is released, especially MMORPG's and anything else that has a multiplayer aspect.
I know some won't though, and I'm betting that even if the game is a smash success, there will be approximately 725 threads in the forums within the first week of release saying "This game sucks because I can't be a tribble", or "The 3rd window from the left on the front of the Miranda's hull is off by 2 pixels. I demand a refund if they can't be accurate!"
Personally, I'm looking forward to this game probably more than I've ever looked forward to any other game, but I have realistic expectations. I'm expecting there to be a few bugs here and there. I'm expecting there to be a few things that don't quite exactly mesh with <insert TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY episode # here>. I'm expecting that there will be balance issues at first. I'm expecting server crashes, my ship blowing up from a glitch, etc...
...and I'll love every minute of it. :D
Sportzter
09-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Your right this is our one shot at a Star Trek MMO.
Just like Star Wars, they had their one chance and now there will never be another one..... oh wait. :D
Lucas Arts is different than Paramount when it comes to keeping the franchise perpetually going. And I think George Lucas has a bit of a role in that.
^this - I expect a great game with all the normal pitfalls of launching an MMO.
ryuto
09-25-2009, 03:48 PM
Lucas Arts is different than Paramount when it comes to keeping the franchise perpetually going. And I think George Lucas has a bit of a role in that.
Except Lucas did his best to kill the franchise several times, Episodes I-III, for example.
Evil_Custard91
09-25-2009, 03:49 PM
STO is finally coming - the game really has life to it...Screen Shots, Characters, the Star Trek Universe!!
So here is the downside....
This is it. This is what the Star Trek MMO is going to be, whatever it is in its final stage. But more pointedly, There are no mulligans. No Do overs. If this doesn't work out (for whatever the reason) we will most likely never see anything like this for the ST universe.
This game is not like WOW where Blizzard made a universe from a game and fashioned it as so. This is Star Trek. A mega successful franchise with people that know more about the History of Trek than they do about the History of their own country. To say this is a big deal is a colossal understatement.
Cryptic - I have loved the two MMO's that you have released so far. I think you are showing to be a great steward of the franchise. This game is for Star Trek Fans (the millions and millions of Trek Fans). Which is not to say that non Trek fans cant play, but if they do it is a bonus, not a necessity.- dont feel as though you have to pull a JJ to bring in the rest of the masses. You have the Trek Loyalists and enthusiasts, and we are hungry for the great product you are creating.
Keep up the solid work and remember, there is probably only one go around.
If u want in on Beta then your going to have to do it like the rest of us... Enter every damn competition you can find :p
Archangelwoghd
09-25-2009, 03:49 PM
I think the Star wars MMORPG is a GREAT analogy here...
If Cryptic gives us a shoot-em-up, eventually somebody will come along and do it correctly.
I hope the Devs are reading this.
Commander_Nate
09-25-2009, 03:53 PM
On a serious note, I think STO will be fine. From what we've seen so far, the game looks like it is going to be very thorough and well-done. Sure there will be glitches and artistic liberties taken by Cryptic but I think these are going to make the game better and add to it's longievity.
By and large I think the vast majority of Trek fans and a good amount of casual gamers will accept and enjoy STO. The small community of ST Fundamentalists won't affect it one way or the other.
klingon1021
09-25-2009, 03:58 PM
I know theer will be Dumb A#&^% out there that will never be happy, but the ppl that have been waiting for this game forever we'll be in 2nd heaven even when the server crashes every 3 hrs.:eek:
Trekkie
09-25-2009, 04:01 PM
Although as others have pointed out it is always possible for someone else to come along and make another massively multiplayer online game based on the Star Trek universe, I do think that is highly unlikely (although possibly slightly moreso today following the success of the latest film). That being said, I understand why some people might be concerned about the current game, but I really think that after all is said and done everything is going to be great in the long run. Is the game going to please everyone? No, of course not. But I've been pleased with (almost all of) the information released about the game in its current state so far, and I am looking forward to playing it for reasons other than just because it is an online based on the Star Trek universe. So even if there is never another Star Trek massively multiplayer online game -- I think we'll be more than fine.
nhamlett
09-25-2009, 04:14 PM
Hey I think that most of you will really enjoy it. We're Cryptic - we listen as much as we can to player feedback and if it's within our power to make solid game changes, we do.
knightofhyrule730
09-25-2009, 04:15 PM
Hey I think that most of you will really enjoy it. We're Cryptic - we listen as much as we can to player feedback and if it's within our power to make solid game changes, we do.
bolded for emphasis. like i said in a thread that Jack posted in. Cryptic is the best for listening to us. unlike the noobs at bioware.
Archangelwoghd
09-25-2009, 04:17 PM
Hey I think that most of you will really enjoy it. We're Cryptic - we listen as much as we can to player feedback and if it's within our power to make solid game changes, we do.
And I have to say that Cryptic has answered every concern I've ever publicly expressed, and I know I've expressed some DOOZIES ! I don't think Cryptic would have these forums at all if they didn't care about our opinions. So yeah, good job Cryptic!
Drexxus3d
09-25-2009, 04:19 PM
The Star Wars MMO was an abysmal failure so they made a new one.
Fear not, whether or not STO succeeds there will be future Star Trek games in the future both MMO and non. Maybe there will be a game more close to a star trek simulator where you actual play as crew and such and have encounters more akin to the show. Who knows what the future holds.
Archangelwoghd
09-25-2009, 04:51 PM
I have confidence in Cryptic. They havn't let anyone down so far, and they seem to have a genuine concern for StarTrek and it's fans. I'm pretty sure that they are smart enough to understand that the game will only be successfull as long as STARTREK FANS are happy with the product.
I die a little inside each time I see a post, and the sig is much larger then what the person had to say.
sandman105
09-25-2009, 05:27 PM
I dont think Cryptic would make this mmo if they didnt think that they could make it enjoyable for everyone
especially Star Trek fans. Imagine the firestorm of angry trek fans they would have to answer to if they made a crappy mmo. Its been in production for a good long while now, almost to beta, and still 6 or so months till release.... Im very confident that we will have a well made game.
Oltwentysix
09-25-2009, 06:14 PM
Hm, I really do know more about star trek history than I do about my own home country. Well, time for me to enjoy the end of Arthur Guinness day by getting hammered.
MattTreck
09-25-2009, 06:26 PM
If u want in on Beta then your going to have to do it like the rest of us... Enter every damn competition you can find :p
or build a time machine, go back in time and buy a 6 month sub for champs.
lordpenquin
09-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Your logic is flawed! Star Wars Galaxies. A somewhat sucessful game that people enjoyed until Sony ruined it with NGE. Now they are down to 13 servers. The game is basically dead. No more Star Wars, right? WRONG! EA / Bioware Star Wars KOTOR.
If this turns to be a bust in five years, there's no reason another studio couldn't gain the license to reboot the mmo version.
Evil_Custard91
09-25-2009, 07:02 PM
or build a time machine, go back in time and buy a 6 month sub for champs.
i didnt think of that :eek:
Zepath
09-25-2009, 07:04 PM
I dont think Cryptic would make this mmo if they didnt think that they could make it enjoyable for everyone especially Star Trek fans. Imagine the firestorm of angry trek fans they would have to answer to if they made a crappy mmo. Its been in production for a good long while now, almost to beta, and still 6 or so months till release.... Im very confident that we will have a well made game.
You aren't serious, right?
They are corporation ... they are in this for the money.
They could care less who plays, as long as A LOT of people play.
You being a Trek fan or not, is ancillary to the entire scheme. If they could get 500K subscribers by disappointing every Star Trek fan out there ... but appealing to every WoW player ... they would do it in a heartbeat.
Zepath
09-25-2009, 07:07 PM
And back to the OP ... this won't be the last Star Trek MMO. As long as they keep the franchise going with movies, and a series every 10 years or so ... there will be a new MMO made every time the technology warrants an upgrade.
Especially if this game is remotely successful and shows there's money to be made off the IP.
Kaybok
09-25-2009, 08:31 PM
I agree this won't be the last Trek MMO. Look at Star Wars... SWG didn't do that great for various reasons. They are shutting down 12 servers. And working on a new MMO - The Old Republic (which I heard wasn't that good either unless you like waiting & listening to poorly timed NPC voice chat all day).
This will be the last MMO. The franchise in this time frame is dead. There will never be another movie or another show. Just new movies JJ Abrams style. There just is not a market for it anymore. It is sad but true. That is why Enterprise was canceled.
If there is anything new, it will come from the new movies. Unlikely to be an MMO.
So when this game launches, be patient and supportive. It will be the last time a Trek MMO is made. So stick with it. :) I know I will.
Your logic is flawed! Star Wars Galaxies. A somewhat sucessful game that people enjoyed until Sony ruined it with NGE. Now they are down to 13 servers. The game is basically dead. No more Star Wars, right? WRONG! EA / Bioware Star Wars KOTOR.
If this turns to be a bust in five years, there's no reason another studio couldn't gain the license to reboot the mmo version.
EA has no hand in SWTOR (Yes Biowarte is part of EA but EA it's self has Not all the Rights to all the games BioWare makes like SWTOR)
SWTOR is a lucasarts/BioWare game.
EA is more of a game publisher then a game maker now just like atari.
I agree this won't be the last Trek MMO. Look at Star Wars... SWG didn't do that great for various reasons. They are shutting down 12 servers. And working on a new MMO - The Old Republic (which I heard wasn't that good either unless you like waiting & listening to poorly timed NPC voice chat all day).
You must not know much about SWTOR . there is no way you would know this all game play video is all alpha. There is no Beta for that game yet just like there is no beta for STO yet. An also all the Video they have out I seen for the game an all the vices match the NPC's just fine. So where ever you heard this info there full of _________.(You can add what you like in the blank)
This will be the last MMO. The franchise in this time frame is dead. There will never be another movie or another show. Just new movies JJ Abrams style. There just is not a market for it anymore. It is sad but true. That is why Enterprise was canceled.
If there is anything new, it will come from the new movies. Unlikely to be an MMO.
So when this game launches, be patient and supportive. It will be the last time a Trek MMO is made. So stick with it. :) I know I will.
An there is no way for you to know this:)
AN the new movie was created to make a new Star Trek fan base other then the fans of TOS, TNG an so on. Face it a lot of the fans are getting old that like the TOS an TNG. an this MMO will help get some new trek fans as will.
qoona
09-26-2009, 02:19 AM
We're Cryptic - Resistance is useless. You will enjoy the game. Your subscription fee will be added to our profit list<-fixed :P
LtPowers
09-26-2009, 07:32 AM
Hey I think that most of you will really enjoy it. We're Cryptic - we listen as much as we can to player feedback and if it's within our power to make solid game changes, we do.
Yet Cryptic has yet to offer an explanation of why, even without ship interiors or engaging mini-games or what-have-you, we can't help crew another player's ship. All we get is "we couldn't figure out how to make it fun". Simply the fact of helping to crew the ship is what is fun; the game mechanics of doing specific tasks can be worked out later.
And the biggest concern -- since the game is being designed around "everyone's a captain", how can such player-crew functionality be added after launch without feeling like it was just tacked on to the base "everyone's a captain" mechanic?
Powers &8^]
Captain-Picard
09-26-2009, 07:36 AM
Your right this is our one shot at a Star Trek MMO.
Just like Star Wars, they had their one chance and now there will never be another one..... oh wait. :D
Star Wars: The Old Republic.
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Ravas
09-26-2009, 09:16 AM
stole my joke :(
in addition, MMOs are constantly changing and evolving. if the game is missing something you want, check back in a year or two, we may have added it. However, its better if you pay for the game and sub now, so that cryptic doesnt have to worry about finances over those two years :P
Dont forget that there is a downside if Cryptic never has to worry about finances. Some financial pressure is always always healthy!
Ravas
09-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Yet Cryptic has yet to offer an explanation of why, even without ship interiors or engaging mini-games or what-have-you, we can't help crew another player's ship. All we get is "we couldn't figure out how to make it fun". Simply the fact of helping to crew the ship is what is fun; the game mechanics of doing specific tasks can be worked out later.
And the biggest concern -- since the game is being designed around "everyone's a captain", how can such player-crew functionality be added after launch without feeling like it was just tacked on to the base "everyone's a captain" mechanic?
Powers &8^]
Simply because there will be too little functions to do. Imagine if you are tactical while doing exploration mission and never getting a chance to shoot any phaser! Or an engineer redistributing power with only one task: regen shields. Thats simply not fun.
onesoul1982
09-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Hey I think that most of you will really enjoy it. We're Cryptic - we listen as much as we can to player feedback and if it's within our power to make solid game changes, we do.
I'm sure we will. It so far has the familiarity of Earth and Beyond...but pumped up..so yah happy :P
Kaybok
09-26-2009, 12:55 PM
You must not know much about SWTOR . there is no way you would know this all game play video is all alpha. There is no Beta for that game yet just like there is no beta for STO yet. An also all the Video they have out I seen for the game an all the vices match the NPC's just fine. So where ever you heard this info there full of _________.(You can add what you like in the blank)
Ooooo so combative LOL. I heard about this from a podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting. They were at PAX, saw the SWTOR presentation, gameplay videos, etc. They mentioned the poorly timed voice chat in their podcast. If you still don't believe me listen for yourself http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=1239
No1UKnow
09-26-2009, 01:14 PM
@OP. While I have high hopes for this game and I certainly don't want to have to wait years for another if it doesn't live up to the hype; never say never. Star Trek is forever. We didn't have just one Star Trek series and it is likely that the game would be picked up by a different developer at a later time if this one flops.
It is already proven that there is nothing wrong with the IP. This games success lies solely in the hands of the developers.
Archangelwoghd
09-26-2009, 03:19 PM
This will be the last MMO. The franchise in this time frame is dead. There will never be another movie or another show. Just new movies JJ Abrams style. There just is not a market for it anymore. It is sad but true. That is why Enterprise was canceled.
If there is anything new, it will come from the new movies. Unlikely to be an MMO.
So when this game launches, be patient and supportive. It will be the last time a Trek MMO is made. So stick with it. :) I know I will.
That's quite a crystal ball you have there. Can you predict the future all the time, or only with MMORPGs and StarTrek?
TruthSeer
09-26-2009, 03:20 PM
Star Wars: The Old Republic.
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Ya hence the "....oh wait" part.
BaakCha
09-26-2009, 03:38 PM
Except Lucas did his best to kill the franchise several times, Episodes I-III, for example.
Someone whose idea mirrors my thoughts!
OuroborosAgain
09-26-2009, 03:52 PM
Oh dear, lets not scare the devs too much, they may start hiding from us.
Nindran
09-26-2009, 04:08 PM
the dev are q they don't hide us weak limit mind humans
LtPowers
09-27-2009, 11:42 AM
Simply because there will be too little functions to do. Imagine if you are tactical while doing exploration mission and never getting a chance to shoot any phaser! Or an engineer redistributing power with only one task: regen shields. Thats simply not fun.
Did you even read my post? I directly addressed that concern.
Powers &8^]
obsidian_farmer
09-27-2009, 11:50 AM
Except Lucas did his best to kill the franchise several times, Episodes I-III, for example.
From what i've read, the NGE was also his doing, SOE gets to take the fall since they're the ones that actually did it and put it out, but it was Lucas' and his people that made the decision to do it.