Who might still be alive in STO in 2409 ... [Archive]

Zepath

09-18-2009, 12:37 PM

I was talking with my buddy last night, as we got on the topic of the 2409 setting for STO.

And the discussion migrated to which canon characters would still be alive (or could be) if the Cryptic Dev's wanted to involve them in mission, or the STO story line. So I did a little digging around and came up with an amazing number of people who could be alive during the time this game is set ...

Of course most he humans are a stretch...but there's some who could still be viably active in Star Fleet:

Sisko would be 77.
Miles O'Brien would be 76.
Lieutenant Bashir would be 68.
Riker would be 74.
Geordi La Forge would be 74.
Tom Paris would be in his late 60s.
Harry Kim would be 60.
Seven would be 59.

And then ...

With a life expectancy of well over 200 years ... just about every Vulcan from TNG, Voyager, and DS9 that didn't specifically die in the storyline, could arguably still be alive. Tuvok would be 145. But his kids would all still be less than 100 years old.

Betazoids life 135 years on average ... meaning:

Deanna Troi would only be 73 in 2409 ... still a youngster by betazoid standards.
Devinoni Ral (half Betazoid) would only be 84

Naomi Wildman's clone / replacement would only be in her 50s.

With a lifespan of 50,000 years ... the Horta mother would still be down in that cave.

Then we get into the Klingons who have an avg life expectancy of 150 years ...

B'Elanna Torres will be 60.
Miral Paris (Torres' and Paris' daughter) will be 31.
Worf will only be 69 in 2409 ... not even middle aged yet.
Kurn (Worf's brother) will only be 64.
Alexander Rozhenko (Worf's son) will only be 43.
The clone of Kahless will be 40.

And it would be reasonable to assume Martok, Lady Sirella, Gen Korok, Leskit, Toq (the child at the Khitomer prison camp) and Vagh are all still alive. And there's many more.

Ferengi have a life expectancy of over 100 years, so many of them (who didn't die in the story) could still be kicking around the bars, malls and docks of various space-stations.

Cardassians have a life expectancy somewhere around 110 years (???) so we could see some of them.

Just some musing on my part. :)

mach789

09-18-2009, 12:45 PM

The average Human life span during the 2250s was about 100 years. By the 24th century, it was not uncommon for Humans to exceed that that, as was the case with Leonard McCoy who had, by 2364, reached the age of 137. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint")

So I would suspect Picard to still be alive as well. The rest of the bridge crew should still be alive.

Klingons are capable of living well over a century in age. Individuals such as Kang, Koloth, Kor and Arne Darvin lived well over one hundred years. (DS9: "Blood Oath", "Trials and Tribble-ations", "Once More Unto the Breach")

No exact lifespan has been given for Klingons, just approximates. In 2370, Odo observed that Kor "must be a hundred years old" and his "best friend," Koloth, was "probably a hundred and fifty years old." This observation was made over 100 years after their encounter with James Kirk.

- from Memory Alpha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Life_span)

Peregrine_Falcon

09-18-2009, 12:49 PM

They could create a special mission where we would end up entering the Nexus, and there it would be possible to encounter Captain Kirk.

Wouldn't that be entertaining?

Whoppin

09-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Dont forget B4

mach789

09-18-2009, 12:50 PM

It just wouldn't be a proper ST:MMO without having a blast from the past. I'm sure we'll be seeing Kirk and company in STO.

Elta_and_Zletha

09-18-2009, 12:57 PM

Sisko would be 77.

Didn't Sisko die at the end of DS9? Or Missing in Action, I suppose.

He was told by the Prophets that he will never be able to return to his former existance, so no more Sisko... although maybe we can run into him somewhere in the Bajoran Wormhole =P

Zepath

09-18-2009, 12:58 PM

It just wouldn't be a proper ST:MMO without having a blast from the past. I'm sure we'll be seeing Kirk and company in STO.

Personally, I'm apprehensive about meeting any of the canon characters in their time frame. Does Kirk in STO look like Bill Shattner, or some artist's conception to not violate image rights ... and the same goes for Spock. And then if there's voice overs for those characters, that just opens up a whole different can of worms.

I'd be fine with those characters either being really old so there's no comparison, or being mythical characters in the background that we never actually meet.

mach789

09-18-2009, 01:01 PM

Well seeing how CBS owns all Star Trek rights and are working closely with Cryptic, I think it would include the rights to all canon characters as well. So images, likeness, voices, etc. should be a go!

But then again I'm no lawyer. :p

BigDaddyMustang

09-18-2009, 01:02 PM

Data will still probably be in command of the E. Picard has taken over the Academy, and unless his heart is giving him problems will still be around.

A better question is about Janeway. They killed her off in a book after she became a Borg Queen, will that be canon or not???

Chakotay would be what 80??

Neelix????

The Doctor does he age or like Data/Lore/B4 will he live on forever?

A very interesting can of worms you've opened. Thank you.

Kevin

mach789

09-18-2009, 01:10 PM

Isn't the doctor on DS9 a holographic image anyway? He should technically live as long as he is not obsolete.

Or did they shut off his programming in some book as well. :confused:

Elta_and_Zletha

09-18-2009, 01:20 PM

A better question is about Janeway. They killed her off in a book after she became a Borg Queen, will that be canon or not???

You just answered your own question there.

It was in a BOOK, ergo: NOT CANON.

Whoppin

09-18-2009, 01:20 PM

Isn't the doctor on DS9 a holographic image anyway? He should technically live as long as he is not obsolete.

Or did they shut off his programming in some book as well. :confused:

The Dr. was holographic on Voyager. The DS9 Dr was genetically enhanced.

mach789

09-18-2009, 01:21 PM

Oh right, getting mixed up...anyhow I think that is who BigDaddyMustang was referencing when he said The Doctor.

BigDaddyMustang

09-18-2009, 01:22 PM

Isn't the doctor on DS9 a holographic image anyway? He should technically live as long as he is not obsolete.

Or did they shut off his programming in some book as well. :confused:

I just meant would he still be functioning, mobile emitter got damaged, programming got fouled up again. B'elanna and Seven might not be around to fix it.

BigDaddyMustang

09-18-2009, 01:23 PM

You just answered your own question there.

It was in a BOOK, ergo: NOT CANON.

OOoops just got whacked by a canon boi or girl

mach789

09-18-2009, 01:28 PM

I just meant would he still be functioning, mobile emitter got damaged, programming got fouled up again. B'elanna and Seven might not be around to fix it.

His mobile emitter allowed him to appear on the bridge, etc. instead of a regular hologram which would then be confined to sickbay. His programming was stored on the ships computer though, so would be transferable to a starbase or other ship as a program...

BigDaddyMustang

09-18-2009, 01:29 PM

Oh right, getting mixed up...anyhow I think that is who BigDaddyMustang was referencing when he said The Doctor.

Yeah the holographic doctor from Voyager. Julian Bashir was from DS9 and his parents had him enhanced, which brings up another question how long will he live? Will he even have aged ? The other enhanced people from the DS9 episode one of them was a old guy, I know I'm reaching on this one but why not.

Or better yet Tom Baker could come grinding and clanking in his Police Box. :D

mach789

09-18-2009, 01:30 PM

Dax (who was hot) was a Trill symbiont. They live for over 300 years. So she'd still be alive...and hot.

Bedlam66

09-18-2009, 01:38 PM

You just answered your own question there.

It was in a BOOK, ergo: NOT CANON.
STO is taking Stuff from the books even though they are not canon. The answer to that is we're going to have to wait and see what they used and what they didn't.

Zepath

09-18-2009, 01:39 PM

Dax (who was hot) was a Trill symbiont. They live for over 300 years. So she'd still be alive...and hot.

I concur ... I always thought she was a cutie.

BigDaddyMustang

09-18-2009, 01:42 PM

Dax (who was hot) was a Trill symbiont. They live for over 300 years. So she'd still be alive...and hot.

Nicole Deboer was smokin. She had that lost little waif thing down pat then all of a sudden blam, she would have ice water in her veins very cool. She was Ensign Tigan before the Dax slug got dropped in so say early 20's. So maybe 50???

TruthSeer

09-18-2009, 01:44 PM

Dont forget B4

B4 is now Data who yes would still be alive.

Vlherg

09-18-2009, 02:05 PM

At the age of 112 Montgomery Scott could still be alive in 2409.

Zepath

09-18-2009, 02:12 PM

Could is the operative word there. LOL! I means Spock could still be alive, as could Checkov. :)

ussawsomeness

09-18-2009, 02:16 PM

your saying spock will still be alive?
OMG I could interview him! :D
j/k

Ensign.Ricky

09-18-2009, 02:17 PM

Could is the operative word there. LOL! I means Spock could still be alive, as could Checkov. :)

And here I thought I'd be stuck in the 25th century without hearing someone say "Nuclear Wessels"

*Thinks of the possibilities* :rolleyes:

idendesmerz

09-18-2009, 02:18 PM

Has someone mentoined Guinan already? I don't know which age El-Aurians can reach but i think it's VERY old.

Oh and Q of course.

Archangelwoghd

09-18-2009, 02:20 PM

Two words...."The Boy"

TruthSeer

09-18-2009, 02:21 PM

Could is the operative word there. LOL! I means Spock could still be alive, as could Checkov. :)

Technically Spock is in an alternate timeline at the start of the game so he's out.

Archangelwoghd

09-18-2009, 02:22 PM

your saying spock will still be alive?
OMG I could interview him! :D
j/k

Um...Spock isn't around.

Vlherg

09-18-2009, 02:24 PM

Could is the operative word there. LOL! I means Spock could still be alive, as could Checkov. :)

Well, we know that Spock is alive but living in the past in an alternate universe.
Scotty does have the advantage of his 75 year hiatus from reality over his other shipmates though.

Zepath

09-18-2009, 02:40 PM

Well, we know that Spock is alive but living in the past in an alternate universe.
Scotty does have the advantage of his 75 year hiatus from reality over his other shipmates though.

In all seriousness ... I don't think there's any way to justify any of the TOS characters still being alive.

mach789

09-18-2009, 02:43 PM

No probably not. But I think we will meet them in the game in some mirror universe or time travel quest.

SenatorPardek

09-18-2009, 02:52 PM

I would not be suprised to run into many of the characters from the shows, or their decendants. This is Star Trek after all, anything is possible. But I do agree, even by Trek standards its a stretch to have some characters there.

Also, my guess is anyone we are hearing from in the path to 2409 is most likely going to be in there. Additionally I am sure "The Sisko" wiill make an appearence in some kind of mission : )

ryuto

09-18-2009, 02:58 PM

Harry Kim would be 60.

Provided he hasn't been killed off and resurrected yet again this episode. :D

JPJappic

09-18-2009, 03:18 PM

Provided he hasn't been killed off and resurrected yet again this episode. :D

I wonder if he'll still be an Ensign :P or Captain of the Rhode Island.

Trowa824

09-18-2009, 03:55 PM

You just answered your own question there.

It was in a BOOK, ergo: NOT CANON.

the books are soft canon and so will be STO.

And STO is using some stuff from the books.

Archangelwoghd

09-18-2009, 04:21 PM

the books are soft canon and so will be STO.

And STO is using some stuff from the books.

"Soft canon" is non-canon. It's just a term given to non-canon sources that adhere to canon, but are not canon themselves.

Solarwaves

09-18-2009, 04:24 PM

I'm assuming that none of the characters from Enterprise would still be around, except possibly for TPol but even that would a stretch. I agree it would be really cool if the Doctor from Doctor Who showed up, I know that's a joke and would never happen, but still it would be cool to see some really obscure reference to Dr. Who that only long time fans would get within the game. I know this iis off-topic, but I wonder what kinf of time travel the game will have.

Archangelwoghd

09-18-2009, 04:25 PM

DanSeale

09-18-2009, 04:33 PM

In all seriousness ... I don't think there's any way to justify any of the TOS characters still being alive.

Yeah .. I know what ya mean. As much as I'd love to see a couple of them in there we have to gracefully let them go. IMHO no one will ever replace Scotty. He dearly loved the part he had in Trek (in his RL disposition) .. and it showed. The only way you could get his charactor in there would be by a special act from Paramount or those who hold those all important (and very expensive) copy rights.

I think it might be cool to see someone from one of the movies or TV series in there .... but in all honestly it's the sort of thing that really would have to be done carefully .. and really done very well.

Evil_Custard91

09-18-2009, 04:34 PM

well hopefully Wesley 'Friggin' Crusher won't turn up or I may have to pew pew his @$$

Zepath

09-18-2009, 05:03 PM

I just see the whole traveler thing, too irresistable. Some Dev will try to do something with it (and prolly muck it up) ... which by default means we'll have to deal with Crusher himself.

And that's just annoying to me. I think that whole character and his story line was a huge pile-up on the freeway for the Star Trek Franchise.

Rota

09-18-2009, 05:05 PM

Evil_Custard91

09-18-2009, 05:11 PM

The traveller storyline could be a good segway for a second or third expac to expand STO to the "far reaches" of space

i agree however... I don't really want to be a billion lightyears from home and bump into wesley crusher! lol

Borticus

09-18-2009, 05:29 PM

WinterPark1701

09-18-2009, 06:05 PM

Just FYI... Wesley is at Will & Diana's wedding at the beginning of Nemesis. Since the movies are 100% canon, that means it's possible that he's not gone for good from our Trek Universe.

There was also some sort of deleted scene from Nemesis (that I haven't seen) that included a conversation of Wesley going back into Starfleet. But again, I haven't seen it. Consider that an unconfirmed rumor.

There was also something in there about him being there with Robin Lefler. Of course I also read somewhere that in an early draft of the movie script Worf was going to replace Riker.

Zepath

09-18-2009, 11:06 PM

Just FYI... Wesley is at Will & Diana's wedding at the beginning of Nemesis. Since the movies are 100% canon, that means it's possible that he's not gone for good from our Trek Universe.

There was also some sort of deleted scene from Nemesis (that I haven't seen) that included a conversation of Wesley going back into Starfleet. But again, I haven't seen it. Consider that an unconfirmed rumor.

Hmmm, I don't remember him in Nemesis. Did it actually make it into the movie?

bhubel

09-18-2009, 11:20 PM

Didn't Sisko die at the end of DS9? Or Missing in Action, I suppose.

He was told by the Prophets that he will never be able to return to his former existance, so no more Sisko... although maybe we can run into him somewhere in the Bajoran Wormhole =P
They brought him back in the novels. Which is no guarantee they'll do the same in STO, but that have already incorporated elements from that book series. So it's certainly not out of the question.

Borticus

09-19-2009, 09:36 AM

Hmmm, I don't remember him in Nemesis. Did it actually make it into the movie?

First shot of the wedding party's table, he's on the far left behind Beverly. Another shot right after that gives a better view of his smug & smarmy smile.

Osias

09-19-2009, 10:12 AM

It's true, the boy is in Nemesis. He's just older (Clearly to throw us of his track) if you didn't know it was him you'd just assume it was some random Crewmember.

/me goes to get his nemesis dvd

ETSstarfleetromulan

09-19-2009, 10:59 AM

I hope I can meet Quark once more. That Ferengi deserves great respect from a Romulan that admires his business tactics. He could teach me a few things from the old days, and provide a drink at the same time!

J.L.Picard

09-19-2009, 11:08 AM

everyone should be alive. the fact of the matter remains that "bones" was still alive at the launch of Enterprise-D so no reason whatsoever why anyone should be dead, except worth since his death was forseen so he might have kicked the bucket. All i know is Picard better be on Vulcan or in Paris.

J.L.Picard

09-19-2009, 11:10 AM

Dont forget B4

lmfao dude go read the story lol

Data has become the 7th Enterprise Captain

mwood1387

09-19-2009, 11:13 AM

I'm still hoping the last 2 Cherons are alive.

mach789

09-19-2009, 11:17 AM

lmfao dude go read the story lol

Data has become the 7th Enterprise Captain

What story are you referring to? And B4 and Data are not the same person. B4 was created before Data and Lore.

Osias

09-19-2009, 11:20 AM

What story are you referring to? And B4 and Data are not the same person. B4 was created before Data and Lore.

Path to 2409 on the main site.

According to STO The memories and personality Data transfered to B4 in Nemesis fully assimilated the B4 prototype and with the assistance of Leforge and the Soong institute upgraded the prototype to a "Data" level of operation.

Thus Data was reincarnated and B4 was no more.

Borticus

09-19-2009, 11:22 AM

What story are you referring to? And B4 and Data are not the same person. B4 was created before Data and Lore.

the Path to 2409 articles. The "Data matrix" was unlocked in B4, essentially converting the entire, uhm... chassis? Into Data.

mach789

09-19-2009, 11:24 AM

Thanks for pointing that out. Haven't read any of them, maybe I should? Do they lay out the plot for STO?

Osias

09-19-2009, 11:26 AM

They pretty much fill in the blanks between where Nemesis left us and when STO begins.

They've so far covered the Hobus Supernova, what has become of some of our Favorite Star Trek characters, changes within the various powers of the Milky way.

It's really quite a good read.

BigDaddyMustang

09-19-2009, 11:42 AM

Osias

09-19-2009, 11:50 AM

When does Geordi take command of the Challenger?? I dont remember the year that Chakotay and Harry steal the Delta Flyer and Geordi comes after them. Or will this not happen because the flight back in time was aalternate time line??

So the question is will Geordi still be stuck on the E, while everybody else has moved up?

No. Geordi has retired (or taken and Extended leave of absence) from Starfleet. If you read the "Path to 2409" section on the STO Main site you'll learn this.

As for the Challanger, Yes, that was in an alternate timeline so while still possible it was not something that would necessarily come to pass.

For those who don't want to sift through all that stuff for specifics on data (plus a bit on Geordi) -

2384 -
Starfleet decides to transfer the Soong-type android B-4 to the custody of the Soong Foundation. The prototype android was deactivated after its discovery by the Enterprise-E in 2379, but foundation representatives say they hope to restore his full positronic functioning.

2385 -

Chief Engineer Geordi La Forge requests a long-term leave of absence from Starfleet to work on personal projects, including a plan to build and test his own starship designs. But his first project is to assist the team at the Soong Foundation studying the Soong-type android B-4. With his help, on Stardate 62762.91 the team unlocks what it calls the “Data matrix,” successfully accessing the personality, knowledge and memories of Data, who had downloaded this information into B-4 before his destruction in the Battle of Bassen Rift.

The Data persona asserts itself over B-4’s more primitive programming, and the android is able to assist the Soong Foundation team to upgrade the positronic brain and recreate the emotion chip invented by Dr. Noonien Soong. The team is confident that their work will be completed in months.

2386 -

With his upgrades at the Soong Foundation complete, Data requests that his commission in Starfleet be reactivated. While there are some initial questions because the Data persona is in the body once used by B-4, after Jean-Luc Picard, William T. Riker and several other current and former members of the Enterprise crew testify on Data's behalf, Starfleet Command agrees to reinstate Data. He is promoted to captain and assigned to supervise the completion of the Enterprise-E's refit.

On Stardate 63894.06, the refit of the Enterprise-E is completed and the ship, helmed by Captain Data, leaves the Utopia Planitia shipyards.

Archangelwoghd

09-19-2009, 12:16 PM

BigDaddyMustang

09-19-2009, 12:23 PM

No. Geordi has retired (or taken and Extended leave of absence) from Starfleet. If you read the "Path to 2409" section on the STO Main site you'll learn this.

As for the Challanger, Yes, that was in an alternate timeline so while still possible it was not something that would necessarily come to pass.

For those who don't want to sift through all that stuff for specifics on data (plus a bit on Geordi) -

2384 -

2385 -

2386 -

Great thanks knew that part. I was talking about the future leading to 2409, Not just 2384, 2385, or 86. I did read them, but left unsaid was if Geordi was onboard as chief engineer on the E. Data and Geordi were best friends it would follow that if Data asked him he would. The main reason he left Starfleet was to ressurect Data and to build the jellyfish.

Jamisicus6

09-19-2009, 12:35 PM

KeyhEdge

09-19-2009, 01:00 PM

Wasn't McCoy 130 some years old in the first episode of TNG? With that, I'd have to think that ANY major characters in any of the latest series (TNG, VOY, DS9) that did not die at the end, could potentially be in STO.

J.L.Picard

09-19-2009, 01:21 PM

Hahahahahahahaha!! That is so true. The whole premise is a train wreck...
...and nobody hate's Wesley Crusher more than Wil Wheaton...

i just hope we get to kill weasely tramp i hate him and his stupid dumb ass character. every episode he was in could have been done without him.

ms2009

09-19-2009, 02:09 PM

i just hope we get to kill weasely tramp i hate him and his stupid dumb ass character. every episode he was in could have been done without him.

Well maybe we could get a mission like this

Wesley Crusher Must Die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVYCbRjhnsE

made me LOL when I found it, love the Mission Accomplished at 1:05 , looks very STO :p

Nonderyon

09-19-2009, 11:54 PM

Picard and Seven is a "rogue" borg,so who knows how the nanobots act when we talking about age...

HyenaZERO

09-20-2009, 01:45 AM

I wonder what our chances of getting orders from Admiral Nog would be?

Kinthok

09-20-2009, 01:47 AM

About the boy. I'm thinking Federation President.

Osias

09-20-2009, 01:55 AM

Nog, Admiral?

Perhaps a captain or something a little higher maybe. Not sure he has the lobes for Admiral!

zanderj

09-20-2009, 02:23 AM

Kurn is dead, if that hasn't been said yet.

HyenaZERO

09-20-2009, 02:37 AM

About the boy. I'm thinking Federation President.

In other news, assassination attempts on the President of the Federation have reached an all time high...

sleeplessone

09-20-2009, 02:52 AM

I believe a fully functional borg drone has an almost infinite life expectancy and its only when the organic tissue dies that they die really as the machine parts keep them going.

Would the life expectancy of Seven be longer or is she eventually going to be borg nano bot free? since i would expect the nano bots to increase life expectancy.

I would then also wonder if the Federation would find a way to utilise borg style nanites to increase human abilities and life expectancy ? while still not going all borg since after all we have the genetically enchanced doctor in DS9 .

I think the average life expectancy for a normal Human at the end of Voyager was over 100? and about 140 or more if your lucky?

Leonard McCoy who had, by 2364, reached the age of 137 in TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint" (This source is a wiki site , http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Life_span)

So by 2409 you could expect Humans to live into the 130's on average and 150 max?

Evil_Custard91

09-20-2009, 03:29 AM

GAAHHHH

When will people learn... It's not NANOBOTS it's NANOPROBES!!!

Seizure over :p:p:D:D

deeboboy

09-20-2009, 04:03 AM

lets not see if we can kill them all muhahahahahahahahah

Rota

09-20-2009, 04:09 AM

The nexus is a convenient plot device for people move timeframes.

Heck, they could create a back story where Captain Pike entered it and left before the TOS pilot episode. Since he would still technically exist in the nexus, he could leave again around 2407 and re-enter the "Trek" universe.

Who else do you think could have possibly run into the nexus?

BrightOne

09-20-2009, 05:25 AM

Dont forget B4

I suspect that he became Data's new body...

mirkrim

09-20-2009, 12:31 PM

Kurn is dead, if that hasn't been said yet.
Technically Kurn is alive, but living under a new identity with his past memories wiped.

When will people learn... It's not NANOBOTS it's NANOPROBES!!!
Actually it IS nanoprobes. Or "nanites", if you prefer the non-specfic term. Both of those have articles on Memory Alpha, but "nanobot" doesn't.

Sportzter

09-20-2009, 02:45 PM

Isn't the doctor on DS9 a holographic image anyway? He should technically live as long as he is not obsolete.

Or did they shut off his programming in some book as well. :confused:

I think he was obsolete in Season 3 or 4 of Voyager. I am sure they had the next version of the EMH

fractaleye

09-20-2009, 02:50 PM

I think he was obsolete in Season 3 or 4 of Voyager. I am sure they had the next version of the EMH

Indeed. By season 6 of Voyager, the Federation already had EMH mark 2, 3, and 4 (Life Line). I'd like to have the Doctor from Voyager as maybe a 'legendary' BO, especially if he could double as the ECH.

Vorgse

09-20-2009, 02:53 PM

I wonder who ended up having kids and what they're doing. Like Riker and Troi, or Chakotay and Seven.

Durkin

09-20-2009, 07:04 PM

i just hope we get to kill weasely tramp i hate him and his stupid dumb ass character. every episode he was in could have been done without him.

In the Star Trek family guy, Picard kept telling Wesley to shut up..."You'll get nothing and like it"

Vorgse

09-20-2009, 07:34 PM

In the Star Trek family guy, Picard kept telling Wesley to shut up..."You'll get nothing and like it"

"Hey be nice to Hwil Hwheaton!"
...
"Stop saying it like that!"
"What? I'm just saying you should be nice to Hwil Hwheaton, Hwil Hwheaton seems like a nice guy!"

Durkin

09-20-2009, 07:37 PM

"Hey be nice to Hwil Hwheaton!"
...
"Stop saying it like that!"
"What? I'm just saying you should be nice to Hwil Hwheaton, Hwil Hwheaton seems like a nice guy!"

Ah you just rooined the cool wHHip

thawn4444

09-20-2009, 08:07 PM

Ah you just rooined the cool wHHip

your eating hair!

Rota

10-08-2009, 08:42 PM

I want to see Guinan somewhere in STO

billybob442

10-09-2009, 12:44 AM

FLINT (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Flint)!! That's who I want to bump into!

Ok, I know that McCoy said he'd lost his immortality, but even Bones gets the facts wrong sometimes. I mean, honestly how many immortal creatures had he examined previously to establish a viable baseline? None I'd say. So Flint could very well still be knocking about.

Nicole DeBoer was smokin. She had that lost little waif thing down pat then all of a sudden blam, she would have ice water in her veins very cool. She was Ensign Tigan before the Dax slug got dropped in so say early 20's. So maybe 50???

Ahhhh, Nicole de Boer .................................................. ................................ sorry lost track of what I was doing.

Ezri would be early to maybe mid-50's in 2409. In DS9 they point out she was very young for a host, most being around 30 when they join. We also know that Curzon was a host for about 9 decades, putting him around 110-120 when he died of a heart attack (not of old age) while chasing a young mistress. So he was 120 and still pretty active. This makes me think that Trill lifespan is a bit longer than humans, more like Klingons. So physically she'd be more late 30's to early 40's (about where Ms. de Boer is today).

Which means in 2409 Ezri should still be pretty active ... and hot (which is the important thing after all). :cool:

Rangerrob

10-09-2009, 05:09 AM

Anyone know the life span of Bajorians...could not find it in the wiki.

Kira and Ro may still be kicking around.

Some reason I thought they were long lived like the 150+ range.

Xenoshaft

10-09-2009, 05:20 AM

They could create a special mission where we would end up entering the Nexus, and there it would be possible to encounter Captain Kirk.

Wouldn't that be entertaining?

No. :) not really at all. lol

Rangerrob

10-09-2009, 05:29 AM

Found something on Bajorans...

http://www.ussgalaxy.net/database/species/members/bajoran.htm

Bajorans fit the general humanoid pattern very well. By far the most obvious difference is the small ridge where the nose meets the brow, although many races have similar, the Bajoran look is quite unique and characteristic. Bajoran life span is now increasing following the harsh times of the Occupation where life expectancy plummeted to 78 years. It is presently quoted by the Bajoran Medical Council as 137 years, but people of 165 years and over have been reported in Bajoran history.

So Kira would be 66.
Ro would be...69.

Got a feeling both will be major players around DS9.
:)

majicebe

10-09-2009, 07:25 AM

Didn't Sisko die at the end of DS9? Or Missing in Action, I suppose.

He was told by the Prophets that he will never be able to return to his former existance, so no more Sisko... although maybe we can run into him somewhere in the Bajoran Wormhole =P

Nah, Sisko's still around. He's chillin' with the Prophets, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if he made appearances looking just like he always did. That is, assuming he can return from the Prophets' pad ;)

TruthSeer

10-09-2009, 07:27 AM

They could create a special mission where we would end up entering the Nexus, and there it would be possible to encounter Captain Kirk.

Wouldn't that be entertaining?

Only if it was a Klingon mission. That way you could give him a proper death.

Capt_Dracon_Darknight

10-09-2009, 07:37 AM

Picard, since he got physically younger during Insurrection.
Like anyone else who entered the planets surface.(excluding data)

Awarkle

10-09-2009, 03:48 PM

i hope its not like the swg epic characters where you went off to find them and they gave you retarded quests that made no sence and didnt follow any story at all.

erriku

10-09-2009, 04:57 PM

Data should be alive. He was last time he was mentioned in Path to 2409.
Guinan
Q
Anyone younger than Picard that did not die.
Picard should be if we are lucky.

apocrypha

10-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Dax (who was hot) was a Trill symbiont. They live for over 300 years. So she'd still be alive...and hot.

Jadzia>>Ezri

But maybe I'm just strange.

apocrypha

10-09-2009, 06:48 PM

Wesley should be around, as should Barclay (assuming he hasn't died of a nervous breakdown or something). Lore might be kicking around somewhere too.

On a somewhat related note, what is the average life expectancy of a human in this timeframe? I'd imagine it would considerably longer than the current 78 or so years.

EngineJoe

10-09-2009, 07:20 PM

On a somewhat related note, what is the average life expectancy of a human in this timeframe? I'd imagine it would considerably longer than the current 78 or so years.

Well, Dr. McCoy made an appearance in TNG's Encounter at Farpoint. If I remember right they said he was around 130 years old.

As for the question on who could still be around in 2409, I believe that any major character could be in STO. Volcans and other races have long life spans. There's also the possibility of temporal anomalies. In fact we’ve already seen shots of The Guardian. There’s also the Q, patterns left in transporter buffers, slingshoting around the sun, ect. The possibilities seem endless. ;)

Darkthunder

10-09-2009, 08:49 PM

They could create a special mission where we would end up entering the Nexus, and there it would be possible to encounter Captain Kirk.

Wouldn't that be entertaining?

Sounds like a pretty fun "launch" mission. Last time the Nexus was seen was in 2370, and was said to pass through this area of space every 39.1 years thus putting the next encounter in the year 2409.

Bring back Kirk!!! xD

On a somewhat related note, what is the average life expectancy of a human in this timeframe? I'd imagine it would considerably longer than the current 78 or so years.

McCoy was 137 years old in 2364 (Encounter at Farpoint). Doubtful if he'd still be alive 45 years later. But assuming McCoy wasn't an "exception" in human lifespans, most humans should be able to reach 130-140 years of age atleast. Making pretty much any of the TNG, DS9 and VOY characters able to appear in/around 2409 (unless killed off during the Path to 2409).

Darkthunder

10-09-2009, 08:55 PM

Could is the operative word there. LOL! I means Spock could still be alive, as could Checkov. :)

Since STO follows the "Prime Timeline" upto and including the ST: Countdown prequel comic events, our "Prime" Spock would no longer be around as he disappeared in the Hobus "blackhole" in 2387.

I'm assuming that none of the characters from Enterprise would still be around, except possibly for TPol but even that would a stretch. I agree it would be really cool if the Doctor from Doctor Who showed up, I know that's a joke and would never happen, but still it would be cool to see some really obscure reference to Dr. Who that only long time fans would get within the game. I know this iis off-topic, but I wonder what kinf of time travel the game will have.

Seeing as T'Pol was born in 2088, she'd be 321 years old by 2409. Pretty sure she won't be making an appearance in the "present" timeframe. Oldest known Vulcan (Sarek) lived to be 204 years old.

I want to see Guinan somewhere in STO

Entirely possible, since we know El Aurians are incredibly long-lived. Guinan's been around since atleast the late 19th century (Times Arrow) and one would have to assume it took a while to travel from her native area of space, all the way to the Alpha Quadrant. Unless ofcourse Guinan may be a former member of the Q continuum (not impossible), she would essentially be an immportal.