regards to Capt. Dunsel

[ademnus]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.

[kawaylon]

wow your depressing me!::(

[fractaleye]

I know I shouldn't, but I'll bite.

That's not the game I wanted. Yes, I've only been a member of these forums for about a month, but I've been interested in ST:O since the days before Perpetual went bankrupt (just never signed up for anything because I was afraid it was in Duke Nukem Forever limbo). I missed the news of Cryptic picking it up (I know! fail on my part). Once I heard, read some of the site's info and the forums, I immediately signed up and wanted it bad.

I think they way Cryptic is doing the game is fine. I guess I would like to hang out with my friends in my ship, but I'd rather not be dependent on them to just run my ship/explore/whatever. Sure, it's a MMO, but I think the way they're approaching it is good (*IMO*).

Everyone has their view of how a ST MMO should be; point is, Cryptic's making one, and, with the little information we have so far, I think they're doing a fine job. I'm eagerly awaiting the next 'cycle' in the 'PR cycle'.

(not trying to knock your views, just stating mine; I can see your point of view, mine's just different is all)

[Kirby]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.Quit crying. Go to Star Wars Galaxies if you want to be one part of a crew ship. Have fun waiting for an hour or more trying to get a crew together to do nothing much in space and regardless of what you do you'll have no impact on space boundaries. Not to mention that you can't fly anything much larger than a YT-1300 freighter (which are slow, by the way).

Now, the other thousand+ of us here will enjoy the game.

[ExpendableCrewman]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.


Riiiight, okaaay now, well Im gonna go ahead and change the subject here... with a little help from my friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

[Avantos]

Quit crying. Go to Star Wars Galaxies if you want to be one part of a crew ship. Have fun waiting for an hour or more trying to get a crew together to do nothing much in space and regardless of what you do you'll have no impact on space boundaries. Not to mention that you can't fly anything much larger than a YT-1300 freighter (which are slow, by the way).

Now, the other thousand+ of us here will enjoy the game.

/agree

Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you on your way out...

Buh-bye
:rolleyes:


I don't mean to come off with an attitude but, come on, hasn't this dead horse been beaten enough yet?

The whole "no player crew" thing has been known for quite some time now. Let the subject die already...
All this kind of posting is going to do is re-ignite the flame war about how Cryptic is totaly screwing the game, and the universe, up before, as usual, anybody has even played the full game.

[fractaleye]

Riiiight, okaaay now, well Im gonna go ahead and change the subject here... with a little help from my friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

I have to say, sir, I enjoy your posts (and especially your avatar and sig :) )

*tips hat*

[ExpendableCrewman]

I have to say, sir, I enjoy your posts (and especially your avatar and sig :) )

*tips hat*

"tips hat back"
oh and
http://www.byrneunit.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/flgagasdgf.jpg

[Commodore_Rook]

Is this the ultimate, perfect 100% Star Trek experiance game we all want? No. It is, however, an engrossing and compelling Star Trek ONLINE game thousands of people will play and enjoy. I don't think we will ever truely get a 100% perfect Star Trek experiance game until either holo decks are perfected or at least virtual reality console games exsit. Till then we get STO. Deal with it. :)

[scholarman]

Admittedly, the OP would need to file the serial numbers off since he wouldn't have rights to the star trek universe, but I don't think any of us are stopping him from making his own MMO with spaceships, exploration, and player run crews. Heck, I might even play such an MMO.

Cryptic, however, did not choose to make that MMO. Maybe that's something you agree with. Maybe it isn't. But we're going into closed beta now -- I think it's officially time to focus on the game they're actually making instead of the game you wish they were making.

They've done a tremendous amount of press stating this is a game where your character is a Starship captain, and they have decided not to ship with player based crews. That's no longer a debate point. That's simply a fact.

If you therefore don't want to play ST:O, I respect that. I really do. But we're well beyond the point of any of the rest of us caring about your choice. And we really don't need you to post and tell us you're not going to play STO. Honestly, how you choose to spend your time isn't really of interest to anyone who isn't you.

If you think that by making this bold statement you will drum up a movement of disgruntled Star Trek fans who will storm the halls of Cryptic and demand the opportunity to sit around in Sick Bay on missions... believe me when I say that other folks have made your points, far more eloquently and passionately, and whatever reaction would result has already resulted.

The ship has sailed. The horse is dead. The metaphor is obliquely descriptive.

Please, for the love of the Great Bird of the Galaxy, just move on.

[Archangelwoghd]

Cryptic has already told us in the past that this game is as much for explorers as it is for combat lovers. Let's not condemn a game that isn't even out yet and won't be for at least six months!

So far Cryptic has done a fine job.

[SiskoBell]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.

ademnus, it's true that Cryptic's take on the Star Trek MMO isn't as grandiose as many Trekkers would have liked, but there are some good aspects to the game as it's being designed. I share your disappointment over the lack of player crews or the academy experience, but you might at least try the game first, then make up your mind.

The game elements you listed are not necessarily dead. Cryptic has said they might revisit the player crew issue after the game has launched. It's a longshot, but you might see STO become (through expansions probably) the game you wish to play. One thing that could help make that happen is if STO is financially successful. If you really feel that STO isn't for you, then you certainly shouldn't play it. But at least give it a try. You might like it. And if you decide to play the STO now, your financial support of the game might allow Cryptic to devote the development time necessary for making STO more to your liking down the road.

As it now stands, STO seems like it will be a fun game. And keep in mind that the Dev team has only scratched the surface on what STO will be about. We haven't really heard much about exploration or the player economy in STO. Once we know all there is to know about STO, you might find it's good enough to spend your entertainment dollars on. But, you must do what you feel is right, of course.

[fractaleye]

And keep in mind that the Dev team has only scratched the surface on what STO will be about.

(good post btw) Yeah, they haven't even released that much info on PvP (if any info) and (imo) the Klingon side's ships. I plan on playing Fed (at least initially), but I'd still like to know what kind of ships that's on the other side.

I'm liking that (almost) all the feedback I've seen from PAX has been positive. Not too much new info, but a bit here and there. And seems people like the game overall. I'm not one to do the 'lemming leap,' but I'm liking it.

Hopefully that interview will tell us more. :)

[Kanharn]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.

one more unresearched topic by this Kid.

everything you post is wrong and well of the mark.

You do go to Starfleet academy to train, the devs have said that many times.

Also the whole inside and outside of a ship can be customised and even the crew uniform.

the universe is an ever expanding place so new content will be added all the time.

My advise is to ignore everything this clown posts as its always wrong and usually just things he has made up.

[Zandtar]

Blueberry Pie
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Ingredients

Crust:

* One double recipe for all butter pie crust dough

Filling ingredients:

* 6 cups of fresh (or frozen) blueberries, rinsed and stems removed (if using frozen, defrost and drain first)
* 1/2 teaspoon lemon zest
* 1 Tbsp lemon juice
* 1/4 cup all-purpose flour (for thickening)
* 1/2 cup white granulated sugar
* 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon
* 2 Tbsp butter (unsalted), cut into small pieces

Egg wash ingredients:

* 1 egg
* 1 tablespoon milk

Method

1 Prepare the crust. Roll out half of the dough to 1/8-inch-thick circle on a lightly floured work surface, about 13 inches in diameter. Fit the dough over a 9-inch pie pan, and trim the edges to a 1/2 inch over the edge all around the pan. Put into the refrigerator to chill for about 30 minutes.

2 Gently mix the blueberries, sugar, flour, cinnamon, lemon zest, and lemon juice in a large bowl. Transfer them to the chilled bottom crust of the pie pan. Dot with butter pieces. Roll out remaining dough to the same size and thickness as the first. Place on top of the berry filling. Tuck the top dough over and under the edge of the bottom dough, and crimp the edges with your fingers. Transfer the pie to the refrigerator to chill until the dough is firm, about 30 minutes. Heat oven to 425°F.

3 Whisk egg and milk together to make an egg wash.

4 Remove the unbaked pie from refrigerator. Brush the top with egg wash. Score the pie on the top with 4 cuts (so steam can escape while cooking). Place the pie on the middle rack of the oven with a parchment paper or Silpat lined baking pan positioned on the lower rack to catch any filling that may bubble over. Bake for 20 minutes at 425°. Reduce heat to 350°F and bake for 30 to 40 minutes more or until juices are bubbling and have thickened. Transfer to a wire rack to cool. Let cool completely before serving.

Makes 8 servings.

[Eclipse1987]

lmao.

I <3 Pie! Especially apple!

[dr_truth]

That sounds like really good pie, Thanks!

[Kanharn]

If it was upto the kid who created this thread.

The pie would be rubbish because its not the way the original pie was made.

Then he could tell us how horrible it is without tasting it :D

[Osias]

Finally a good pie recipe!

You won't believe how long i've been looking on these forums for a pie recipe.

[Ravensshadow]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

well thats good i never want that.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

another good thing who want to be oushing buttons for 20 hours down in engineering anyways

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

? you can fly around with your friends and do stuff and go down on planets and do stuff with your friends.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

it was my hope your guys would be ignored and i am glad you were.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

i do not want ship interiors i think they are a complete waste of time and i hope then never come about i would much rather have them working on new content that making an interior for every ship.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

not at all.

what a disappointment.

well i gues you are not going to be playing. i disagree with you on every one of your points

[Kirby]

one more unresearched topic by this Kid.

everything you post is wrong and well of the mark.

You do go to Starfleet academy to train, the devs have said that many times.

Also the whole inside and outside of a ship can be customised and even the crew uniform.

the universe is an ever expanding place so new content will be added all the time.

My advise is to ignore everything this clown posts as its always wrong and usually just things he has made up.For nearly a month and three weeks this thread was dead. Why would you reactivate this? :(

[Cormoran]

For nearly a month and three weeks this thread was dead. Why would you reactivate this? :(

judging from his avatar it took him that long to write the post out with someone pointing to each letter of the alphabet and asking 'one beep for yes, two beeps for no' :D

[Kirby]

judging from his avatar it took him that long to write the post out with someone pointing to each letter of the alphabet and asking 'one beep for yes, two beeps for no' :DOuch. Funny, though.

[raldar]

it was my hope that, when I voiced what I did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

I want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead I'm getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.

I fixed it for you so as it reflected what you're really getting at. This isn't about what everyone wants. It's about what you want. As you have zero proof that "everyone" wants what you want,you should stop hiding behing "We".

[Antagonist]

well, that's it then. I see we're all captains of our own ships.

no academy experience.

no friends playing crewmembers aboard the same ship.

i'll be flying solo on a ship i command with 5 npcs to control? wee thats fun. sounds like guild wars. been done, no fun, not star trek, not interested.

it was our hope that, when we all voiced what we did and did not expect from an MMO with a name that has such a following as star trek, and the first company upon hearing that gave up, that this company would actually listen.

you didn't

and im surprised.

we want a starship, one to manage, interact with, and control every aspect of -- and a galaxy to explore and become immersed in. Ship interiors we and our friends can roam and inhabit.

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.
Congratulations! You have an opinion! Now, you probably have a few questions about your brand-new opinion–do others agree with it? is it better and hold more wait because i said it? does it overlap with fact? is it fact? Well, kind young sir the answer is NO to all of these questions! You see *pulls out spiffy diagram* every opinion is unique! sometimes there may be similarities, but all-in-all every opinion is custom tailored to your personal feeling and/or delusions. have fun with your new opinion, but remember; you can only speak for yourself; other people may not agree with your opinion, but that's what makes them unique! Until next time, I'm the Antagonist, Crusher of hopes and dreams, and part-time salesperson! Have a fantastic day, and have fun on the forums! *Flies away*

[GreatBarrier86]

You know, i think people should be pleased that the Star Trek franchise is getting a good look. After many "Failed" games, you would think many developers would stay away from ST because they have such hardcore fans who seem to say that no game yet has been good enough.

I don't know much about the game yet but i can certainly say that since ST is probably my favorite show, i'm glad we are getting an MMO about it.

[JesseH21]

Riiiight, okaaay now, well Im gonna go ahead and change the subject here... with a little help from my friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

out of curiosity, do you hang around with Red.Shirt?

[bradley1701]

I enjoyed playing Pirates of the Burning Sea and everyone was captain of their own ship and could do missions together and your own actions or fleet actions affected the boundaries or ports, etc. While it wasn't a "great" game, it was fun to play for a long time and I can see how those aspects will be appealing in STO.

[GreatBarrier86]

Just remember folks. No one said these items wouldnt be in the game at some point. They just wont be in there at launch

[mrwalsh]

instead we're getting star trek Armada meets guild wars.

what a disappointment.

Disappointment? Sounds like a recipe for win to me. :cool:

[GreatBarrier86]

The problem is that star trek fans are too hardcore.

I mean BC was a very good attempt at a star trek game but too many people nitpicked stuff.

"blagh, there is no phaser array on that part of the ship."
"The galaxy class had escape pods on the saucer, this model doesn't have them"

Personally, even though it came out in 2002, it's still one of my favorites and i'm pretty certain STO will be up there soon :)

[Kirby]

People, this thread ended on September 4!!! Don't start the fire up again without paying attention to what already happened. Ugh! I thought this was over. Everyone just do a huge service and don't feed this. I will start with this:

/unsubscribe