Mirror Universe Klingons?

[DarkOrion69]

I wonder what the Klingon Empire is like in the Mirror Universe? As the war erupts in the STO universe, perhaps the enslaved Klingons win freedom from the Terran Empire? What if a Klingon diplomat runs afoul of a cross dimensional space/time anomaly in an STO mission? Would he ask my vessel to ferry him to Qo'Nos with a message of peace and cooperation for his people? Whenever I think of the Mirror Universe, I get these weird story ideas. Will the Mirror Universe figure into STO in some way other than being able to wear their uniforms I wonder?

[fractaleye]

I really hope so. Would be neat to have an event/storyline to do with the Mirror Universe, and I think Rekhan mentioned something about it... Not too sure though; need to brush up on my Mirror Universe info now hehe

[Draconianknight]

Klingons are Kilngons no matter what parallel universe you wish to visit. We are slaves to none! Especialy sniveling humans Evil Empire or not! In fact if such an improbable place did exist. It would be the duty of every Klingon to utterly destroy such a thing and either liberate our Klingon brothers and sisters or spp\eed their way to Stovacor.:cool:

[mwood1387]

Is there a list of all the mirror universe episodes? I think I've missed one or two.

I'm sure the mirror universe will feature. If the guardian of forever features I'm sure the mirror universe would. It's a far more prominant part of ST lore. I hope the klingons don't become free and the Terran Empire continues on. The whole lure of the mirror universe episodes was seeing something completely different from the normal universe. What would be the point of the mirror universe having the Klingons and Humanity at each others throats when we'll get enough of that in the normal universe.

[fractaleye]

I wasn't sure myself, so looked up Memory Alpha (more episodes than I had thought):

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Mirror_universe

Apparently 8 episodes total (across 3 of the series).

[SupremeLegate]

Actualy in the mirror universe the Klingons have enslaved the Terrans, they are in an Alliance with the Cardassians. Though I could see a parallel where the Klingons and Cardassians of the mirror universe are at war with each other.

[mwood1387]

I wasn't sure myself, so looked up Memory Alpha (more episodes than I had thought):

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Mirror_universe

Apparently 8 episodes total (across 3 of the series).

Thanks alot. Now I can watch the ones I've missed. Man, they really missed out by not doing a TNG mirror episode. That would have been sweet.

[fractaleye]

Thanks alot. Now I can watch the ones I've missed. Man, they really missed out by not doing a TNG mirror episode. That would have been sweet.

Agreed. I've seen the TOS and DS9 ones, I need to watch the Enterprise ones now, I guess.

[Urantia]

Agreed. I've seen the TOS and DS9 ones, I need to watch the Enterprise ones now, I guess.

I think you will enjoy that two part Ent. series. In my personal opinion it was one of the more interesting Mirror Universe showings. Mainly as it involved a temporal component and linked to a TOS episode. I will not say which, but if you have watched most TOS episodes you have likely seen it.

[fractaleye]

I think you will enjoy that two part Ent. series. In my personal opinion it was one of the more interesting Mirror Universe showings. Mainly as it involved a temporal component and linked to a TOS episode. I will not say which, but if you have watched most TOS episodes you have likely seen it.

Cool. Thanks. Yeah, I have; it's been awhile, but, hey, I can always watch them again :)

[mwood1387]

In a Mirror Darkly was one of the strongest episodes in the whole Enterprise run and probably one of the strongest in ST as a whole. It was a pity it didn't come sooner in the run. As far as I'm concerned it only had one weak point but that's enough of that. Its too good an episode to ruin with my whining :)

[Urantia]

Cool. Thanks. Yeah, I have; it's been awhile, but, hey, I can always watch them again :)

Aye...chances are it will come to you right away :).

[Tmann26]

Mirror Universe Klingons have no facial hair, and groom/bathe regularly. :P

[Draconianknight]

Mirror Universe Klingons have no facial hair, and groom/bathe regularly. :P

You are a sick man! And should die a slow horrible death:eek:

[overlordthor]

Actualy in the mirror universe the Klingons have enslaved the Terrans, they are in an Alliance with the Cardassians. Though I could see a parallel where the Klingons and Cardassians of the mirror universe are at war with each other.

Maybe the Terran Empire has had a revolution and comeback by the 2409 era, returning to the Empire's old strategy, anyone else think that's possible?

[Archangelwoghd]

Mirror universe Klingons are probably going to be a bunch of pacifist pansies, and should be destroyed.

[overlordthor]

Mirror universe Klingons are probably going to be a bunch of pacifist pansies, and should be destroyed.

No Regent Worf isn't a pacifist.

[Captain-Planet]

Damn mirror universe and there unruly goatees.

[Paulo999]

I wonder what the Klingon Empire is like in the Mirror Universe? As the war erupts in the STO universe, perhaps the enslaved Klingons win freedom from the Terran Empire? What if a Klingon diplomat runs afoul of a cross dimensional space/time anomaly in an STO mission? Would he ask my vessel to ferry him to Qo'Nos with a message of peace and cooperation for his people? Whenever I think of the Mirror Universe, I get these weird story ideas. Will the Mirror Universe figure into STO in some way other than being able to wear their uniforms I wonder?

lol no much of an Alliance fan... The Terran Empire is the only thing that stands out when ya think of the mirror universe :O... still ... could be fun to have mirror klingons in the agony booth

[Prospero]

From what I remember of DS9, the Klingons were pretty much the same as the regular universe counterparts.

[Paulo999]

Maybe the Terran Empire has had a revolution and comeback by the 2409 era, returning to the Empire's old strategy, anyone else think that's possible?

thats what im hoping for :D The Second Terran Empire ? :D Dum dunn dunnnnnn... first i need to kill my mirror self then take its place :D

[Draconianknight]

Mirror universe Klingons are probably going to be a bunch of pacifist pansies, and should be destroyed.

Humans may flip/flop back and forth depending on which universe they are in. But Klingons are Klingons no matter which parallel universe you choose!:cool:

[Paulo999]

Humans may flip/flop back and forth depending on which universe they are in. But Klingons are Klingons no matter which parallel universe you choose!:cool:

meh the mirror universe klingons will fall to the empire! :O

[overlordthor]

Terran Empire Klingon Empire alliance to rule 100% of both the alpha and beta quadrant?

[Paulo999]

Terran Empire Klingon Empire alliance to rule 100% of both the alpha and beta quadrant?

works for me :D

[Draconianknight]

Terran Empire Klingon Empire alliance to rule 100% of both the alpha and beta quadrant?

Why stop there???

[SupremeLegate]

You Will Be Assimilated

[Draconianknight]

You Will Be Assimilated

By what? certianly not by mewing humans.

[Urantia]

By what? certianly not by mewing humans.

The universe (reality) I come from saw an end to the Klingon Empire. Essentially the Federation took Kirk's advice and "let them die." "The Undiscovered Country" was never realized. Of course this sped up the return of the Romulans, and the return to war with them over former Klingon space. The good news for Klingon lovers in this reality is that they were not pushed to extinction. But instead interned by the Romulans...and used in various "mechanical" ways....from forced labor to "suicide drone pilots." They made better laborers and research animals.

As of 2366 the Romulans are nearing utter defeat. The Federation's greatest weapon against the Romulans was its very own paranoia. Even in war their distrust for their own caused an implosion. Wartime holography, phased cloaking, and propaganda sealed their fate. Of course the Tholians joining the Federation in 2362 did not hurt either. Essentially the Tholians ensured other major powers (if they can be called this) remained "neutral."

Just kidding :). I suppose the point is that while the "Mirror Universe" is a famous alternate reality...it is one of infinitely many possible "realities." While I do concur that the Klingons in the Mirror Universe are not much different, I do not agree that not matter the reality the "mighty Empire" would always be the same. Epecially in such realities where they never existed at all. While to be fair, I am also fascinated by the reality where the Klingon Empire conquered Earth before Starfleet was ever born.

In all honesty I am still puzzled why in the prime reality we know this did not happen as they were more advanced and more powerful. No honor in it? Knew we would probably self destruct? Other unknown constraint?

[overlordthor]

In all honesty I am still puzzled why in the prime reality we know this did not happen as they were more advanced and more powerful. No honor in it? Knew we would probably self destruct? Other unknown constraint?

Well, its complicated, but perhaps the Klingon Empire isnt all powerful in that era, and they know it, they slowly expand(as resources allow), but not into the Earth area, but they control a lot of space.. BTW, the Klingon home world is more then 4 days from Earth at warp 4. It's quite some distance away. And Klingon's dont always expand just to control as massive a territory as they can.

Strategically its unwise for them to try and expand too quickly, they do have some enemies and potential enemies, I cant imagine the Vulcan's would watch as Earth was wiped out, the Andorians might get angry if the Klingon's expanded near them as well, those two could even join up to take on a more aggressive potential enemy.. More space means more area to protect as well, and the need for more resources, and the need for a larger population to fill all the roles in the Empire.

[Urantia]

Well, its complicated, but perhaps the Klingon Empire isnt all powerful in that era, and they know it, they slowly expand(as resources allow), but not into the Earth area, but they control a lot of space.. BTW, the Klingon home world is more then 4 days from Earth at warp 4. It's quite some distance away. And Klingon's dont always expand just to control as massive a territory as they can.

Strategically its unwise for them to try and expand too quickly, they do have some enemies and potential enemies, I cant imagine the Vulcan's would watch as Earth was wiped out, the Andorians might get angry if the Klingon's expanded near them as well, those two could even join up to take on a more aggressive potential enemy.. More space means more area to protect as well, and the need for more resources, and the need for a larger population to fill all the roles in the Empire.

Aye...no doubt the other powers may get involved. As strange as it sounds I would be surprized to see the Vulcans do anything. That is unless it took place after "first contact" and perhaps if Vulcans got injured in the process. The Andorians did not (supposedly) even know Earth existed in the time frame I am thinking about. Perhaps the Klingons did not know we existed either (save that one episode of Ent in the opener if I recall).

But you definitely hit one several senarios that would/may give the Klingons pause. Per the "infinite reality" scheme everything plays out. I suppose ST would not be much fun if an Ent era state of the art Klingon battle cruiser (similar to the one the NX-01 "rescues" from that gas giant) brought all of fledgling Starfleet to its knees :). Were it not for the Ent episode with a Klingon running around a corn field (or whatever it was) I suppose a simple "they did not know Earth existed" would have sufficed.

But aye...it is indeed complicated...and to be fair I suppose it does not make much sense to think of infinite possibilities for a fictional story. Still fun to ponder for ***** and giggles.

[Draconianknight]

I still say Klingosn are Klingons no matter what..and on the off chance that in some dark reality they are like mewing kittens. Then I believe that we should put them out of their misery.:D