STO closed beta crazy prices

[omocron]

I thought the purpose of a beta is to help eliminate bugs and obvious errors before the release. $60 BUCKS????? common - how about keep your subscription - ill pay 10 bucks to help you guys out- or just wait for the game:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Swordopolis]

Nobody says you HAVE to pay to get in.

[njdss4]

You can still get in the old fashioned way: Applying when Cryptic opens up Beta Applications.

[Swizy]

There will be other ways to get in beta.

[Cormoran]

you're right, those prices are crazy, when i think of the saving i made on my co sub i keep imagining the advert for it, if there ever was one, would be of someone screaming the prices and saying how crazy they are to let things go this cheap cheap CHEAP! while the prices strobed across the screen. it may even include a small scene of a person in a straight jacket being dragged off while still screaming how crazy cheap those prices are.

they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access.

[Jag-Fell]

you're right, those prices are crazy, when i think of the saving i made on my co sub i keep imagining the advert for it, if there ever was one, would be of someone screaming the prices and saying how crazy they are to let things go this cheap cheap CHEAP! while the prices strobed across the screen. it may even include a small scene of a person in a straight jacket being dragged off while still screaming how crazy cheap those prices are.

they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access.

Ditto.........

[KODudna]

I think that deserves to be said again!

"they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access."


....

how about another time, mmkay?

"they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access."

This shall be the mantra of this thread. My will be done. :D

[Hagon]

they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access.The why are they pushing it here then?

They're selling beta spots whether you want to admit it or not, simple as that.

[KODudna]

Maybe for those people who are interested in both of Cryptic's games?

Too obvious for you? ;-p

[icemann448]

I think that deserves to be said again!

"they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access."


....

how about another time, mmkay?

"they arent selling sto betas, they're selling co subs with a perk that happens to be a sto beta access."

This shall be the mantra of this thread. My will be done. :D

emphisis on CO SUBS, so you're not really paying for the STO beta, you're paying for CO, like it should be, and Cryptic is being nice enough to loyal ppl, to let them help out with STO beta.

[thefrayl]

I thought the purpose of a beta is to help eliminate bugs and obvious errors before the release. $60 BUCKS????? common - how about keep your subscription - ill pay 10 bucks to help you guys out- or just wait for the game:mad::mad::mad::mad:

I paid $60 today for 6 months of CO, which will save me $30 over that span of time paying regular monthly subscription fees. The retro costume set and the STO Beta access was simply an added perk.

If you have no interest in CO, and really want to participate in the STO Beta, then apply when it's time or win your way in.

[Hagon]

Maybe for those people who are interested in both of Cryptic's games?

Too obvious for you? ;-pWhat's obvious is that anyone that is interested in both Cryptic's games would see the offer at the CO site.

[KODudna]

Lookie lookie.

http://champions-online.com/

Its over there on the right.

Why can't it be in both places now? :o

[ndat]

LOL, I would pay $60 just for the STO beta.

But I would rather wait for preorders for STO come out an hope that they include it with that because I'm not too interested in Champions.

[Hagon]

Lookie lookie.

http://champions-online.com/

Its over there on the right.

Why can't it be in both places now? :oWay to keep missing the point completely.

[KODudna]

Nah brah. I think I got yer point. I merely reject it as silly. Your angst over this issue is misplaced. Its a great deal. Like, seriously great. For people who are interested in both Champions Online and Star Trek Online. Alll there is to it! :)

And besides, I am really bored, and have nothing better to do tonight than feed these flames. Shame on me :(

[eqfan592]

Way to keep missing the point completely.

What is the point again?

[eqfan592]

What's obvious is that anyone that is interested in both Cryptic's games would see the offer at the CO site.

True, but at the same time why miss an opportunity to advertise a deal that will appeal to audiences of both games you are currently developing? Would you have them simply advertise it on the CO site? What about people who are interested in both, but maybe STO more-so than CO, so they spend most of their time over here? I fall into this category in fact, and am for one glad they did post it on this side of the fence as well as the other. To suggest that they should do anything else is, honestly, the worst kind of foolishness, given that it costs them nothing to do so.

[Zeltek]

I think I have to agree with KODudna, and DrD on this one. I know that if I had two even remotely related products, I would cross advertise the heck out of them. It just makes good sense, I mean what can the complaint really be? "Grumble grumble, they're selling out!"...to themselves? Really? When I go to buy a new graphics card, guess what! Sometimes they add in a free game(retail $50) to go with it. See what the bonus was there?(hint: it wasn't the graphics card :p). It's just an added incentive that just so happens to benefit a related product.

Seriously, there are many MANY more things to think about/be angry about/be excited about, beyond this extremely successful(sold out once already), unchangable, and completely non gameplay oriented, Cryptic originated decision!

Have an excellent day everyone! :)

[Ifandbut]

I actually payed $60 for a STO beta key and I got a 6 month sub to a fun game to play in the meantime. :p

In truth, getting the 6-month sub puts my mind at ease about getting into the beta and gives me another reason to quit WoW and play something different.

[CoffinDNC]

Of course Cryptic tries to make money. That's why they made/make CoV, CoH, CO and STO in the first place.

Cross-promotions are usual today!

I can't blame them for doing it.

When I know there is a possibility to enter the beta for free, but I'm still tempted by the CO-offer, it is only a matter of self-control.

[andrewprofit]

emphisis on CO SUBS, so you're not really paying for the STO beta, you're paying for CO, like it should be, and Cryptic is being nice enough to loyal ppl, to let them help out with STO beta.

Yes but by marketing in the STO forums and website to ST fans they are marketing STO beta for $60 with a 6mo bonus membership to CO. Honestly, they will get it since this IP is one of the top IP's in the world. Even so I suspect they will have an open beta at some point before launch. They are just trying to make a profit. I hope they succeed in making a profit so they will keep improving STO for many many years to come.

[angusnubangus]

I signed up for the six month CO sub. I have a 10 yr. old son who was playing Wizard 101...(he's getting bored) I showed him the CO site pictures/videos, I'm going to have him play this and I'll play as well. I grew up a comic guy but never really looked at this till Cryptic Studios offered this deal.
This will be my First BETA and I'm looking forward to contributing whole heartily to this game. There cross advertising caught my eye. Thank you for the offer Cryptic :D

[Bedlam66]

If they didn't advertize CO on the frnt page I never would have known about it and I would have missed out on a great game. I'm glad I got a life sub for CO cause I know how I am with MMO's even if I stop playing at some point I might want to come back and this saves me money. As a Huge plus it lets me test in the Closed beta for STO and I love trying to break games in beta cause it's fun.

[runrhino06]

I thought the purpose of a beta is to help eliminate bugs and obvious errors before the release. $60 BUCKS????? common - how about keep your subscription - ill pay 10 bucks to help you guys out- or just wait for the game:mad::mad::mad::mad:

The way I look at it...I'm going to be playing CO until STO anyways and even here and there probably after that. Might as well sign up for my 6 months for CO and get the chance to play/help with bugs in beta.

[ZeframCochrane]

The why are they pushing it here then?

They're selling beta spots whether you want to admit it or not, simple as that.

They are not selling beta slots. They are enticing people who want the STO beta into buying a CO sub. A subtle but significant difference.
This is more of a crutch for CO that STO. Cryptic is tapping into the crowd that is interested in STO and trying generate interest in CO. Cryptic isn't trying to pick STO fans' pockets they are trying to get them into CO. Once they start playing CO, maybe they will like it and play both.

[Zepath]

Yeah, this is just the kind of thing that doesn't need to be propagated. They aren't selling beta access, they are selling subscriptions to CO ... and as a "thank you" for buying that subscription, they are offering you access to the STO beta.

Instead of taking it as a "we're charging you for STO beta", take it for what it really is; "Hey we have a fish here that spends big bucks! Let's get him interested in STO too!"

[Hagon]

They're selling subscriptions to CO at the CO site. They're selling beta spots on this site. So they're selling closed beta spots. You can be in denial all you like, but it won't change the facts. Here they're basically telling people either pay up for a game you're probably not interested in, or take your chances with the closed beta lottery with a very good chance that you won't be selected. People that have ever applied for closed betas know what a craps shoot that can be.

[bradley1701]

emphisis on CO SUBS, so you're not really paying for the STO beta, you're paying for CO, like it should be, and Cryptic is being nice enough to loyal ppl, to let them help out with STO beta.

Exactly....

I have no idea why other Trek fans in this forum generalize all of us as though STO is and will be the only game we ever play in our life. I love Star Trek...but I am also a huge gamer, so I was excited to play CO and even more so about this offer.

It's about Gamers...not just Trek fans.

[omocron]

Nobody says you HAVE to pay to get in.

well they if the arent saying it- the word 'closed' sure does imply it

[Snakeguy]

well they if the arent saying it- the word 'closed' sure does imply it

They have closed beta applications. No idea how many they'll take since they've got a nice selection from the subs, but you can try...and it's free.

[Zepath]

They're selling subscriptions to CO at the CO site. They're selling beta spots on this site. So they're selling closed beta spots. You can be in denial all you like, but it won't change the facts. Here they're basically telling people either pay up for a game you're probably not interested in, or take your chances with the closed beta lottery with a very good chance that you won't be selected. People that have ever applied for closed betas know what a craps shoot that can be.

Well I just think you're reaching. They are selling CO subscriptions (even on the STO home page), not beta access .... beta access is just a bonus to buying one of those CO subscription packages.

I cannot see how, in any way, you can blame Cryptic for saying "Hey, if you want guaranteed beta access, here's a way to do it."

They are a company, they are in business to make money. I hate MT's ... but this kind of money making works for me .... its totally optional, has nothing to do with in-game expereinces/rewards/advantages ... and you are actually getting something of value (at a discount even) for your purchase.

[omocron]

Of course Cryptic tries to make money. That's why they made/make CoV, CoH, CO and STO in the first place.

Cross-promotions are usual today!

I can't blame them for doing it.

When I know there is a possibility to enter the beta for free, but I'm still tempted by the CO-offer, it is only a matter of self-control.

Yes but its a misguided promotion trying to push a subscription people in general dont care about- I like star trek and would love some game to take the place of my EVE subscription- after 4 years im ready for something new-

Cryptic, section 13 or who ever is calling the shots needs to get a clue - sell a 6 month GAME subscription preorder - god if my wife saw that crap in the mail it would be a deal breaker

[bradley1701]

Yes but its a misguided promotion trying to push a subscription people in general dont care about- I like star trek and would love some game to take the place of my EVE subscription- after 4 years im ready for something new-

Cryptic, section 13 or who ever is calling the shots needs to get a clue - sell a 6 month subscription preorder - god if my wife saw that crap in the mail it would be a deal breaker

Misguided only to those who don't want to play CO. That is the problem.

Not all of us Trek fans in this forum are only ever going to or want to play STO....we're also gamers. I know that I wanted to play CO so I was excited by the subs and the offer of closed beta.

Don't generalize and don't speak on behalf of anyone other than yourself. People who do that are only trying to make a minority look like a majority.

[omocron]

Misguided only to those who don't want to play CO. That is the problem.

Not all of us Trek fans in this forum are only ever going to or want to play STO....we're also gamers. I know that I wanted to play CO so I was excited by the subs and the offer of closed beta.

Don't generalize and don't speak on behalf of anyone other than yourself. People who do that are only trying to make a minority look like a majority.

I and many others have been patently waiting for the BETA to open - for them to bundle crap that doesnt sell on its own is insulting - im asking for an option to just pay for what we want - is that to much? if you want to play something else dont let the virtual door knob hit you in your pleated pants behind

[bradley1701]

I and many others have been patently waiting for the BETA to open - for them to bundle crap that doesnt sell on its own is insulting - im asking for an option to just pay for what we want - is that to much? if you want to play something else dont let the virtual door knob hit you in your pleated pants behind

Um, I've been part of these forums for a long time, even longer than you by a few months...so I don't need to be told about patiently waiting :) Again, speaking on behalf of others.

[Zepath]

I and many others have been patently waiting for the BETA to open - for them to bundle crap that doesnt sell on its own is insulting - im asking for an option to just pay for what we want - is that to much? if you want to play something else dont let the virtual door knob hit you in your pleated pants behind

Please stop ... you are still going to be able to sign up for beta, just like the rest of us. You still have an opportunity to win a beta key in one of the challenges, just like the rest of us.

If you want a guaranteed spot in the beta ... Cryptic is offering it as a bonus for supporting one of their other other products, and they are pointing that out here on this site. If they didn't point it out, we'd have posts about how they aren't promoting it to the STO community ... OH WAIT, WE ALREADY HAD THOSE QQ THREADS!!!!

[Snakeguy]

I and many others have been patently waiting for the BETA to open - for them to bundle crap that doesnt sell on its own is insulting - im asking for an option to just pay for what we want - is that to much? if you want to play something else dont let the virtual door knob hit you in your pleated pants behind

Calm down, no reason to be rude.

As it happens, I've personally waited in baited anticipation for the beta myself. And, I really enjoyed Champions, when the offered the 6 month deal like they did with the nice savings, I'd have taken it. (Lifetime, if I'd had the funds handy.) Getting the guaranteed beta slot was icing on the cake. Very delicious icing. Mmmm.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who got that bundle regardless of the STO beta. Heck, the lifetime costs less than 13 months...that's a good deal if you plan to play it for more than a year.

I agree, it'd be great to just right up buy a slot in the beta. I'd have done it given the option (and minus the redundancy.) But that's Cryptic's decision, and you shouldn't take it out on someone who happens to love both Star Trek and games that aren't Star Trek.

[Hagon]

Misguided only to those who don't want to play CO. That is the problem.

Not all of us Trek fans in this forum are only ever going to or want to play STO....we're also gamers. I know that I wanted to play CO so I was excited by the subs and the offer of closed beta.

Don't generalize and don't speak on behalf of anyone other than yourself. People who do that are only trying to make a minority look like a majority.The reality though is that MOST people that are members here aren't interested at all in CO. They're here for STO. They're not advertising CO here. If they were there'd just be a small window saying "check out Champions Online" like it does for STO over there http://www.champions-online.com/frontpage

Here they come right out and say "GET GUARANTEED ACCESS TO STAR TREK ONLINE BETA ... and more..."

They're not promoting CO here. They're selling STO closed beta spots. It's as plain as the nose on your face http://www.startrekonline.com/. I can hardly believe some are trying to stretch reality and deny it actually. So they are? Nothing we can do about it now besides let them know what a mistake it was. It's not like they're going to reverse the decision after people have payed their money. At least everyone can be honest about what they're doing. Cryptic is. They're not trying to hide the fact they're selling STO beta spots. You can see that on the main page of the site for crying out loud.

[omocron]

The way I look at it...I'm going to be playing CO until STO anyways and even here and there probably after that. Might as well sign up for my 6 months for CO and get the chance to play/help with bugs in beta.

I'm a veteran of probably every star trek game thats ever been published - and probably tried every mmo out there.Yea I'm an old fart that was playing games before most of you were born-
Gamers I know already have a game- how else do they satisfy their add/adhd needs - This CO sub/magazine offer is a cheesy marketing ploy to people who care nothing about CO- what ever CO is - I appreciate everyone's feedback (even if you are affiliated with Cryptic and pretend not to be:) - JUST SELL ME WHAT IM HERE FOR A STAR TREK ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION - I WILL PAY IN ADVANCE TO PLAY YOUR BETA!

Look to EVE and how they do things their subscription rates and update the story line at least every 4 months - since that mmo is still going strong after 7 years

[bradley1701]

I'm a veteran of probably every star trek game thats ever been published - and probably tried every mmo out there.Yea I'm an old fart that was playing games before most of you were born-
Gamers I know already have a game- how else do they satisfy their add/adhd needs - This CO sub/magazine offer is a cheesy marketing ploy to people who care nothing about CO- what ever CO is - I appreciate everyone's feedback (even if you are affiliated with Cryptic and pretend not to be:) - JUST SELL ME WHAT IM HERE FOR A STAR TREK ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION - I WILL PAY IN ADVANCE TO PLAY YOUR BETA!

Look to EVE and how they do things their subscription rates and update the story line at least every 4 months - since that mmo is still going strong after 7 years

But why would they do that when they can sell me a CO sub and know that I'll be buying an STO sub as well...it is a reward to those who are paying to play both of their games, not just one. Thanks Cryptic!

[ZeframCochrane]

How about this. I am going to pretend everyone who thinks Cryptic is selling access to the closed beta is right.

Cryptic is outright selling access to the closed beta for STO. This is a blatent attempt to make money.

So what?

[jevonski]

The reality though is that MOST people that are members here aren't interested at all in CO. They're here for STO. They're not advertising CO here. If they were there'd just be a small window saying "check out Champions Online" like it does for STO over there http://www.champions-online.com/frontpage

Here they come right out and say "GET GUARANTEED ACCESS TO STAR TREK ONLINE BETA ... and more..."

They're not promoting CO here. They're selling STO closed beta spots. It's as plain as the nose on your face http://www.startrekonline.com/. I can hardly believe some are trying to stretch reality and deny it actually. So they are? Nothing we can do about it now besides let them know what a mistake it was. It's not like they're going to reverse the decision after people have payed their money. At least everyone can be honest about what they're doing. Cryptic is. They're not trying to hide the fact they're selling STO beta spots. You can see that on the main page of the site for crying out loud.



you mean the "check out champions online" on the bottom right of the STO home page that check out champions?

i was thinking that was avertising CO or am i mistaken i heard about CO from this and hadn't even heard of it before that.

[wrussandrews]

There will be other ways to get into STO beta. If you purchased a CO sub to get into STO closed beta, then you are probably paying for your own impatience. I expect that many people registered here will get into closed beta without spending a dime.

I pre-ordered CO and played it for a few days before purchasing my lifetime. I wanted to make sure I liked it first, and will not pay for a STO lifetime until I get to try it.

Yes, this gets me into STO's closed beta but frankly I could live without it. Since I will be in closed beta I will dedicate a little time to testing as diligently as I can. My goal, as with the other serious beta testers, will be to help make the best possible game.

[omocron]

Calm down, no reason to be rude.

As it happens, I've personally waited in baited anticipation for the beta myself. And, I really enjoyed Champions, when the offered the 6 month deal like they did with the nice savings, I'd have taken it. (Lifetime, if I'd had the funds handy.) Getting the guaranteed beta slot was icing on the cake. Very delicious icing. Mmmm.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who got that bundle regardless of the STO beta. Heck, the lifetime costs less than 13 months...that's a good deal if you plan to play it for more than a year.

I agree, it'd be great to just right up buy a slot in the beta. I'd have done it given the option (and minus the redundancy.) But that's Cryptic's decision, and you shouldn't take it out on someone who happens to love both Star Trek and games that aren't Star Trek.

I apologize for my abrasive rudeness - I've been a silent member of this forum for maybe a year now - Anticipation builds after checking this site every few weeks for news on the beta - It was a SHOCK :eek: to see 59 and 199 attached... If this is a prelude of things to come Cryptic will lose business before it gets it

[Hagon]

But why would they do that when they can sell me a CO sub and know that I'll be buying an STO sub as well...it is a reward to those who are paying to play both of their games, not just one. Thanks Cryptic!Well there are those of the opinion that it's a rather desperate looking ploy to prop up CO sub numbers at release with Star Trek Online fans due to the fact that pre-release metrics in the market shows extremely low interest in CO after they released info regarding having only a single server, naming policy, no opposing faction, and no faction vs faction game play.

For those holding that opinion it's probably highly debatable whether or not a promotion like this showing that clear desperation is doing more harm than good, since one could question whether or not Cryptic has any faith in their CO product at all if they're not willing/able to let it stand on it's own merits.

[wrussandrews]

I apologize for my abrasive rudeness - I've been a silent member of this forum for maybe a year now - Anticipation builds after checking this site every few weeks for news on the beta - It was a SHOCK :eek: to see 59 and 199 attached... If this is a prelude of things to come Cryptic will lose business before it gets it

Well lets put it this way. Lets say you get into beta and do not spend any money for it. Do you think that people that bought subs to get into beta will be pleased?

Most will not care, but some will scream.

[Hagon]

There will be other ways to get into STO beta. If you purchased a CO sub to get into STO closed beta, then you are probably paying for your own impatience. I expect that many people registered here will get into closed beta without spending a dime.

I pre-ordered CO and played it for a few days before purchasing my lifetime. I wanted to make sure I liked it first, and will not pay for a STO lifetime until I get to try it.

Yes, this gets me into STO's closed beta but frankly I could live without it. Since I will be in closed beta I will dedicate a little time to testing as diligently as I can. My goal, as with the other serious beta testers, will be to help make the best possible game.Every other way to get in is a very very small chance.

[Snakeguy]

I apologize for my abrasive rudeness - I've been a silent member of this forum for maybe a year now - Anticipation builds after checking this site every few weeks for news on the beta - It was a SHOCK :eek: to see 59 and 199 attached... If this is a prelude of things to come Cryptic will lose business before it gets it

Fair enough, I'd probably feel the same way were I not interested in Champions Online. (As it happens I've broken my lurkerness solely because I've been up all night waiting for the early start...boy I'm a sucker :P)

I can't blame them, though. Heck, after all the MMOs I've desperately wanted into the beta on, I would've dropped $60 for a closed beta spot for this - what with it being Star Trek, and it's been so desperately long since a good ST game. I'd sign up for a lifetime right now for it not even having tried it. And yes, I fail at consumerism, but hey, whatever makes me happy.

[naynayz]

The why are they pushing it here then?

They're selling beta spots whether you want to admit it or not, simple as that.

Yes, they are selling the subs with closed beta access as a perk. It was an offer that I took. I remember asking for something that people that couldn't be on the site all the time could still get in on it. I am truly sorry for those that are upset but I would remind you that there have been plenty of other opportunities to get a beta key. I just took the one that took money because I didn't have the time. Others have the time but not the money and others will still be able to apply for beta (can't remember where but I could have swore I saw a online community person discuss that they were going to have applications for beta). Either way, they are giving everyone with different situations an opportunity to get it.

I also would like to point out that I wasn't thrilled about CO very much at all untill recently when I pre-ordered the game. I think it was worth the money to help me get used to the way ground combat would be in STO. I know I have the starship combat down; but I wanted to make sure that I was going to be able to live with the engine itself planet side and be effective there. (FPS's not my favorite genre).

[omocron]

you mean the "check out champions online" on the bottom right of the STO home page that check out champions?

i was thinking that was avertising CO or am i mistaken i heard about CO from this and hadn't even heard of it before that.

I press the 'Guaranteed access to star trek online' button on the latest news on the star trek latest news website and CO crap comes up
Why im asked to buy stuff not affiliated with star trek online game or the star trek show is mind blowing- george lucas doesnt even try to pull that- forget CO - I dont care about CO and dont want to know about CO- If i did I'd click on a CO link - throw in a spok figurine or something - you can get a lead painted one from china for a buck

[piponolo]

The way I am going to get into the beta is by old-fashioned bribery and blackmail!


Thats right Cryptic! I have something you want or know something you don't want me to. I don't know what it is, but you can be sure it is important!

Beta key or I give it mean looks or send it to press!


Scaaary.



*wow I am in a silly mood today :p

[A_Martin]

What's obvious is that anyone that is interested in both Cryptic's games would see the offer at the CO site.

I frequent this site more often than Champions and saw the offer here first. Whatever you may think, it is just good business to cover all the bases...

if a Beta key helps move a couple people from monthly to 6-month, super... if the prospect of a Mirror Universe costume helps them move a couple customers from the 6-month to the lifetime subscription, that's awesome.

[bradley1701]

Well there are those of the opinion that it's a rather desperate looking ploy to prop up CO sub numbers at release with Star Trek Online fans due to the fact that pre-release metrics in the market shows extremely low interest in CO after they released info regarding having only a single server, naming policy, no opposing faction, and no faction vs faction game play.

For those holding that opinion it's probably highly debatable whether or not a promotion like this showing that clear desperation is doing more harm than good, since one could question whether or not Cryptic has any faith in their CO product at all if they're not willing/able to let it stand on it's own merits.

That is merely speculation with no evidence to prove it. I thought Star Trek fans were supposed to be optimists? ;)

[Zepath]

The way I am going to get into the beta is by old-fashioned bribery and blackmail!

Thats right Cryptic! I have something you want or know something you don't want me to. I don't know what it is, but you can be sure it is important!

Beta key or I give it mean looks or send it to press!

Scaaary.

*wow I am in a silly mood today :p

Funny. I'm sure some moron has tried that for real as some point over the years ... he was joking Cryptic! Honest!

You were joking right?

;)

[Zepath]

That is merely speculation with no evidence to prove it. I thought Star Trek fans were supposed to be optimists? ;)

LOL!

posts here != Star Trek fan.

[piponolo]

Suuuuure I was joking..... uh.... officers.

[wrussandrews]

Well there are those of the opinion that it's a rather desperate looking ploy to prop up CO sub numbers at release with Star Trek Online fans due to the fact that pre-release metrics in the market shows extremely low interest in CO after they released info regarding having only a single server, naming policy, no opposing faction, and no faction vs faction game play.

For those holding that opinion it's probably highly debatable whether or not a promotion like this showing that clear desperation is doing more harm than good, since one could question whether or not Cryptic has any faith in their CO product at all if they're not willing/able to let it stand on it's own merits.

To a business reoccuring revenue is more desirable. They would prefer to have money coming in each month rather than people paying once and playing forever (expect for paid expansions).

The lifetimes are quick cash that can be realized as revenue now (well probably when the game goes live), so Cryptic does that for a short time to get a bit of a boost.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

The why are they pushing it here then?

They're selling beta spots whether you want to admit it or not, simple as that.

They only made one announcement about it. Everything else they have said has been in response to community questions. That can hardly be called "pushing", at least to anyone who isnt "pushing" their own agenda ;)

[Lictalon]

The way I am going to get into the beta is by old-fashioned bribery and blackmail!
Thats right Cryptic! I have something you want or know something you don't want me to. I don't know what it is, but you can be sure it is important!

Beta key or I give it mean looks or send it to press!
Scaaary.
*wow I am in a silly mood today :p

"...Stormshade: we've stolen your teacup pirate-puppy, and we will force it to watch re-runs of "Golden Girls" and "The View" until we all get beta keys! Muhahahahaha..and whatnot..." :D

No? :D

[obsidian_farmer]

Way to keep missing the point completely.

The fact of the matter is they're cross advertising features for both of their current games, and will continue to do with the development and release of future games, as has been said several times.

They posted the CO sub information here for that reason.

Get over your conspiracy theories.

[omocron]

Well there are those of the opinion that it's a rather desperate looking ploy to prop up CO sub numbers at release with Star Trek Online fans due to the fact that pre-release metrics in the market shows extremely low interest in CO after they released info regarding having only a single server, naming policy, no opposing faction, and no faction vs faction game play.

For those holding that opinion it's probably highly debatable whether or not a promotion like this showing that clear desperation is doing more harm than good, since one could question whether or not Cryptic has any faith in their CO product at all if they're not willing/able to let it stand on it's own merits.

Very well articulated Hagon - In laymens terms this so called 'good marketing' is like asking a girl out on a date and her reply is ' SURE, just go out with my sister 1st, she has a nice personality'

I dont mind the CO option but I do mind it being the ONLY option attached to the beta- If you are a hardcore cryptic/ co fan great - the MAJORITY of the STO players will not play CO and will not care too - If both games are to be successful they are going to have to stand on their own

[Zepath]

Very well articulated Hagon - In laymens terms this so called 'good marketing' is like asking a girl out on a date and her reply is ' SURE, just go out with my sister 1st, she has a nice personality'

I dont mind the CO option but I do mind it being the ONLY option attached to the beta- If you are a hardcore cryptic/ co fan great - the MAJORITY of the STO players will not play CO and will not care too - If both games are to be successful they are going to have to stand on their own

But at this point, the only game they are trying sell ... the only product they HAVE to sell, is CO. :eek:

[omocron]

But at this point, the only game they are trying sell ... the only product they HAVE to sell, is CO. :eek:

I dont mind them selling CO - You ever go grocery shopping? When you go to buy a steak do you mind if they wrap some fish,chicken and oh how about this nice wooden rocking chair....This marketing ploy makes both games look very weak

Why we're even discussing CO is beyond me- this is the STAR TREK FORUM - for people just interested in STO you gotta see my point

Heres a proper marketing ploy you play the game for free for 2- 3 weeks if you like it you buy a $14/month or $39 every 3 month sub - for the beta preorder a 6 month , 1 year or even lifetime subscriptions to STO not her ugly sister CO

a perfect example EVE online - its free - yes free for 3 weeks if anyone signs up msg me 'malicious manifesto' ill give you 10 million isk more than enough cash to get you started

With my alliance, corp,online friends and family i represent 100-120 subscriptions - i know if i go over 1/2 will follow - it would be embarrassing to send them the sto beta link as of this moment

[bradley1701]

Very well articulated Hagon - In laymens terms this so called 'good marketing' is like asking a girl out on a date and her reply is ' SURE, just go out with my sister 1st, she has a nice personality'

I dont mind the CO option but I do mind it being the ONLY option attached to the beta- If you are a hardcore cryptic/ co fan great - the MAJORITY of the STO players will not play CO and will not care too - If both games are to be successful they are going to have to stand on their own

Again, the offer wasn't and isn't the only way to get into closed beta.

And again, you are speaking on behalf of a "majority" STO fans. When you are but one voice saying that you are speaking for everyone, it is really a minority or an individual trying to give the appearance of a majority.

How many people are registered with the forum? I haven't seen majority of them complaining about the offer. Really, it is only been a handful of people who have been so vocal about it. I think you guys have set up a schedule as to who is going to post a new thread complaining about the offer on what day of the week ;) hahaha

[buzz12]

How about this. I am going to pretend everyone who thinks Cryptic is selling access to the closed beta is right.

Cryptic is outright selling access to the closed beta for STO. This is a blatent attempt to make money.

So what?

muahahhaha there so evil ahahha. If I was Cryptic. i would do the same. Money makes people happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-XgUkEMEY

Bling Bling

[scholarman]

The why are they pushing it here then?

They're selling beta spots whether you want to admit it or not, simple as that.

Because they want to sell Champions Online to STO fans.

It's not about selling Beta. It's about selling CO using Beta as a hook. Marketing 103. ;)

[Zepath]

I dont mind them selling CO - You ever go grocery shopping? When you go to buy a steak do you mind if they wrap some fish,chicken and oh how about this nice wooden rocking chair....This marketing ploy makes both games look very weak


You buy things all the time and they throw in samples of other products. Come on! LOL!

And I don't think it makes the game look weak at all ... it makes their Marketing Team look smarter than even I've given them credit for.

[omocron]

emphisis on CO SUBS, so you're not really paying for the STO beta, you're paying for CO, like it should be, and Cryptic is being nice enough to loyal ppl, to let them help out with STO beta.

great this should be discussed on the CO forum - I'm just interested in playing STO - When cryptic gets a clue and realizes the star trek gamer base is much larger and makes a reasonable beta offer count me in

[ZeframCochrane]

I dont mind them selling CO - You ever go grocery shopping? When you go to buy a steak do you mind if they wrap some fish,chicken and oh how about this nice wooden rocking chair....This marketing ploy makes both games look very weak

Why we're even discussing CO is beyond me- this is the STAR TREK FORUM - for people just interested in STO you gotta see my point

Heres a proper marketing ploy you play the game for free for 2- 3 weeks if you like it you buy a $14/month or $39 every 3 month sub - for the beta preorder a 6 month , 1 year or even lifetime subscriptions to STO not her ugly sister CO

a perfect example EVE online - its free - yes free for 3 weeks if anyone signs up msg me 'malicious manifesto' ill give you 10 million isk more than enough cash to get you started

With my alliance, corp,online friends and family i represent 100-120 subscriptions - i know if i go over 1/2 will follow - it would be embarrassing to send them the sto beta link as of this moment

I can't believe this topic still has legs.

I go shopping sometimes and I did buy a steak that had a small packet of marinade in it. I liked the marinade and bought a bottle two weeks later. Very common marketing practice. It seems some people are looking at this like Cryptic came up with the latest ponzi scheme.

That marketing practice makes the game look weak to you, I see a savy marketing team. This is such a small offer it's not even funny. They are appealing to a tiny niche of people who have enough interest one or both of these games and enough disposible income to pony up the bones and pay for a subscription.

Cryptic created the offer for a certain market and perhaps you aren't one of those people. To those people this offer makes perfect sense. I'm sure at some point they may offer something that you find interesting or worthwhille.

[omocron]

Again, the offer wasn't and isn't the only way to get into closed beta.

And again, you are speaking on behalf of a "majority" STO fans. When you are but one voice saying that you are speaking for everyone, it is really a minority or an individual trying to give the appearance of a majority.

How many people are registered with the forum? I haven't seen majority of them complaining about the offer. Really, it is only been a handful of people who have been so vocal about it. I think you guys have set up a schedule as to who is going to post a new thread complaining about the offer on what day of the week ;) hahaha

When you come out of your cryptic bubble let us know - you obviously play CO

[bradley1701]

When you come out of your cryptic bubble let us know - you obviously play CO

If you have read other posts in this thread other than your own, then you would have known that I do.

[Roy_Vash]

Somebody complained that they're out of line advertising the CO extended subscriptions here on the STO site.

Can you imagine the outcry from those who are primarily interested in STO if they DIDN'T?

[omocron]

I can't believe this topic still has legs.

I go shopping sometimes and I did buy a steak that had a small packet of marinade in it. I liked the marinade and bought a bottle two weeks later. Very common marketing practice. It seems some people are looking at this like Cryptic came up with the latest ponzi scheme.

That marketing practice makes the game look weak to you, I see a savy marketing team. This is such a small offer it's not even funny. They are appealing to a tiny niche of people who have enough interest one or both of these games and enough disposible income to pony up the bones and pay for a subscription.

Cryptic created the offer for a certain market and perhaps you aren't one of those people. To those people this offer makes perfect sense. I'm sure at some point they may offer something that you find interesting or worthwhille.

How does this make any sense? this offer is degrading to both games- Im not interested in CO and cryptic is doing nothing but running off potential business by ONLY offering this 'SCHEME' as you put it

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[omocron]

Its like the failed marketing attempts sound card manufactures adding games in the past- yea theres going to be a few who actually like the garbage they include- but for the most part people just want what they pay for and most of them have fianlly figured it out- the economy is lean right now - get a clue cryptic

[bradley1701]

How does this make any sense? this offer is degrading to both games- Im not interested in CO and cryptic is doing nothing but running off potential business by ONLY offering this 'SCHEME' as you put it

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Your arguments are repetitive, uneducated and insulting to this community.

[Hagon]

Because they want to sell Champions Online to STO fans.

It's not about selling Beta. It's about selling CO using Beta as a hook. Marketing 103. ;)NO, it's about selling STO closed beta spots. They say so right on the front page. Over at the CO site it may be about promoting CO and offering perks, but here it's all about getting early quick cash from people waiting for STO.

[omocron]

Your arguments are repetitive, uneducated and insulting to this community.

haha wtg troll - you wouldnt be mad if you didnt know i was right

[bradley1701]

haha wtg troll - you wouldnt be mad if you didnt know i was right

I am not mad. I am tired that you are offering the same opinion with no substance or evidence to it. You speak on behalf of a "majority" of STO fans when clearly you do not and when you get mad at someones response you always accuse them of sucking up to Cryptic.

Again, I don't get mad. I am a legal professional and used to debating and forming an opinion based on the facts and evidence that has been presented to me. So far, you've provided nothing but insults and/or an unsubstantiated personal opinion

[Cormoran]

NO, it's about selling STO closed beta spots. They say so right on the front page.

I find that more to be a bait and switch, that's no better, actually it's probably alot worse, but it doesn't equal selling sto beta's in my view. I see it as they're more teasing us with the idea we can get the sto beta, then popping the CO subs on us in the link. I think the ad on the main page should have included 'with CO subs' atleast somewhere on it.

[ZeframCochrane]

How does this make any sense? this offer is degrading to both games- Im not interested in CO and cryptic is doing nothing but running off potential business by ONLY offering this 'SCHEME' as you put it

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I glad you are passionate about the topic, but I'd appreciate it if you laid off the personal attacks.

In your opinion it degrades both games. You have a right to your opinion and a right to stand by it. There are others who do not share your opinion and they have taken Cryptic up on their offer.

I called nothing a scheme. I said some people are acting as though this were a ponzi sceme, I don't think that it is.

It's fine if you aren't interested in CO and they may very well be running off potential business. But they are also getting people interested in CO that might not have been.

I'll state it another way, not all offers appeal to all people. I don't see anything inherently unfair or dishonest about what they are doing. The terms of the offer are stated clearly, there is no bait and switch. I just don't see how anyone is getting screwed here.

[ZeframCochrane]

NO, it's about selling STO closed beta spots. They say so right on the front page. Over at the CO site it may be about promoting CO and offering perks, but here it's all about getting early quick cash from people waiting for STO.

I have my opinion and I usually don't follow this debate very closely so forgive me if someone somewhere covered this.

I'm not baiting you Hagon. I respect that you are an active member on the forums and you are the center of some lively debates, but I have a question.

What is inherently wrong with Cryptic selling beta slots if that's what they are doing?

[omocron]

Your arguments are repetitive, uneducated and insulting to this community.

I'm arguing for gamers, star trek fans and the STO community at large. I simply demand(im a consumer im allowed:) that cryptic offer a product that exclusively deals with the star trek game. Your opposition is completely illogical unless you're interest in boosting CO's sub numbers for what ever reason.... They will eventually offer what i want- once they clear out all the suckers... Id rather it be sooner than later

[omocron]

If you have read other posts in this thread other than your own, then you would have known that I do.

sorry all you vulcans look alike

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[bradley1701]

I'm arguing for gamers, star trek fans and the STO community at large. I simply demand(im a consumer im allowed:) that cryptic offer a product that exclusively deals with the star trek game. Your opposition is completely illogical unless you're interest in boosting CO's sub numbers for what ever reason.... They will eventually offer what i want- once they clear out all the suckers... Id rather it be sooner than later

Well, really you should only argue on behalf of yourself. Clearly since others here have an opinion different than your own, you can't possibly believe that your opinion is the same as all other gamers, STO fans and Star Trek fans. You give the illusion that you have more support than you do and you also don't have their permission to speak on their behalf ;)

Why wouldn't I as a STO fan be interested in the success of CO? Success of CO increases the chance of STO being successful as it means Cryptic has more money. As a gamer, why wouldn't I want to play and support CO?

Just because some of us want to play CO and want CO subs doesn't mean we're suckers. I have been part of this community longer than you so just because I want to play CO doesn't mean I'm a sucker or any less of a fan/supporter of STO.

[omocron]

I have my opinion and I usually don't follow this debate very closely so forgive me if someone somewhere covered this.

I'm not baiting you Hagon. I respect that you are an active member on the forums and you are the center of some lively debates, but I have a question.

What is inherently wrong with Cryptic selling beta slots if that's what they are doing?

absolutely nothing - but bundling it with something completely non related is - put it this way - take out the STO beta slot now whats it worth- ill pay the difference you can have what ever else they are selling- anyone wanna split?all i want is the slot ill pay whats fair

[Hagon]

What is inherently wrong with Cryptic selling beta slots if that's what they are doing?It's inherently wrong for a number of reason, but primarily three.

1. It's essentially soiling a mutually beneficial relationship between testers and dev houses that's been around for a long time. Closed beta testing is something that is essential to these companies. Not something that they should treat as a perk for fans. Testers get the perk of being able to know that they had a hand in making the game better and seeing the game early, but primarily the company gets the perk of having free testers to do what their own PAID testers simply can't. Now it seems that Cryptic's attitude has changed to that of other companies that have had terrible releases and them thinking that they're doing people a favor by letting them test the game. In fact getting people to pay THEM for doing it.

2. It's taking real bad advantage of people that they know are very very excited about STO. These people aren't paying for a game. They're ending up paying for seeing an incomplete game full of bugs.

3. It's watering down the closed beta tester pool with dead weight testers even more than it already usually is in recent closed betas. Anyone that's been in some closed betas over the last few years knows without a doubt what I'm talking about. There's only ever so many spots available in the closed betas, with already too many dead weight testers slipping in via contests and such, and this kind of thing goes even further in taking away spots from good testers.

I guess I could add a fourth primary reason. A very very large number of good good testers are going to be left out in the cold. That always happens. With this though, they have to sit there waiting for release knowing that if they had had the money, or were willing to part with a very substantial amount of their hard earned money for a game they have absolutely no interest in, they would have for sure been able to contribute. It's very distasteful. A real low down move in my opinion.

[bradley1701]

It's inherently wrong for a number of reason, but primarily three.

1. It's essentially soiling a mutually beneficial relationship between testers and dev houses that's been around for a long time. Closed beta testing is something that is essential to these companies. Not something that they should treat as a perk for fans. Testers get the perk of being able to know that they had a hand in making the game better and seeing the game early, but primarily the company gets the perk of having free testers to do what their own PAID testers simply can't. Now it seems that Cryptic's attitude has changed to that of other companies that have had terrible releases and them thinking that they're doing people a favor by letting them test the game. In fact getting people to pay THEM for doing it.

2. It's taking real bad advantage of people that they know are very very excited about STO. These people aren't paying for a game. They're ending up paying for seeing an incomplete game full of bugs.

3. It's watering down the closed beta tester pool with dead weight testers even mores so than it already usually is in recent closed betas. Anyone that's been in some closed betas over the last few years knows without a doubt what I'm talking about. There's only ever so many spots available in the closed betas, with already too many dead weight testers slipping in via contests and such, and this kind of thing goes even further in taking away spots from good testers.

I see your point, Hagon.

One thing I read in another thread by someone who is a dev for a different company said that nowadays, Closed and Open Betas aren't what they used to be. They are less buggy and it is just more of a marketing ploy now to still have Betas. I know from playing Betas of other MMOs that I found that to be true...there was the odd bug, but it was pretty much a finished product as it was.

[omocron]

Well, really you should only argue on behalf of yourself. Clearly since others here have an opinion different than your own, you can't possibly believe that your opinion is the same as all other gamers, STO fans and Star Trek fans. You give the illusion that you have more support than you do and you also don't have their permission to speak on their behalf ;)

Why wouldn't I as a STO fan be interested in the success of CO? Success of CO increases the chance of STO being successful as it means Cryptic has more money. As a gamer, why wouldn't I want to play and support CO?

Just because some of us want to play CO and want CO subs doesn't mean we're suckers. I have been part of this community longer than you so just because I want to play CO doesn't mean I'm a sucker or any less of a fan/supporter of STO.

LMAO well if you would read everyones post other than your own you will see you are wrong.... The ONLY people for this deal are CO players and cryptic employees- dude we dont care about your CO- your post mentions CO 6 times - this is the STO FORUM go play your game and stop trolling my thread

[Hagon]

I see your point, Hagon.

One thing I read in another thread by someone who is a dev for a different company said that nowadays, Closed and Open Betas aren't what they used to be. They are less buggy and it is just more of a marketing ploy now to still have Betas. I know from playing Betas of other MMOs that I found that to be true...there was the odd bug, but it was pretty much a finished product as it was.I've been in most of the recent betas in the genre. The ones for "A" title games anyway. Anyone that's saying that closed betas are less buggy than they used to be are totally out to lunch. In fact often they're a lot worse than they used to be because so many companies are having to hire a lot more inexperienced programmers and such than they used to.

[omocron]

I glad you are passionate about the topic, but I'd appreciate it if you laid off the personal attacks.

In your opinion it degrades both games. You have a right to your opinion and a right to stand by it. There are others who do not share your opinion and they have taken Cryptic up on their offer.

I called nothing a scheme. I said some people are acting as though this were a ponzi sceme, I don't think that it is.

It's fine if you aren't interested in CO and they may very well be running off potential business. But they are also getting people interested in CO that might not have been.

I'll state it another way, not all offers appeal to all people. I don't see anything inherently unfair or dishonest about what they are doing. The terms of the offer are stated clearly, there is no bait and switch. I just don't see how anyone is getting screwed here.

I dont doubt some people are stuck playing CO that normally wouldnt because of cryptics offer and some of those people may even like it- hell CO could be the greatest game in the world---
all im asking/demanding,begging is for an alternative. Why anyone would argue against such an offer against is extremely close minded and silly... I must have more patients I agree- some days my tolerance for what i see as stupidity is low...Although it is tempting to get the 6 month deal to chase bradley1701 haha

[bradley1701]

LMAO well if you would read everyones post other than your own you will see you are wrong.... The ONLY people for this deal are CO players and cryptic employees- dude we dont care about your CO- your post mentions CO 6 times - this is the STO FORUM go play your game and stop trolling my thread

Live long and prosper. I'm outta this thread.

[ZeframCochrane]

It's inherently wrong for a number of reason, but primarily three.

1. It's essentially soiling a mutually beneficial relationship between testers and dev houses that's been around for a long time. Closed beta testing is something that is essential to these companies. Not something that they should treat as a perk for fans. Testers get the perk of being able to know that they had a hand in making the game better and seeing the game early, but primarily the company gets the perk of having free testers to do what their own PAID testers simply can't.

I still don't see eye to eye with you on this. However what you're saying here, taken at face value is probably the most compelling argument for me against how Cryptic is offering some of the closed beta slots. I can see where trangressing that relationship could be seen as a slap in the face.

I really don't think Cryptic is intentionally taking advantage of people. They are providing a way to get in the closed beta, if you don't know what that's means it's not because Cryptic was hiding that from you and it's your own fault for buying something without looking into it more closely.

I have no experience with closed betas but is it possible that the kind of person how would take advantage of this offer might also be a good tester? Is there a simliar demographic? Or at the very least, as a group, the people who are taking advantage of the offer would be a good cross section of the people who were going to get in to closed beta anyway?

[Esgar]

I
all im asking/demanding,begging is for an alternative. Why anyone would argue against such and offer against is extremely close minded and silly... I must have more patients I agree- some days my tolerance for stupidity is low...Although it is tempting to get the 6 month deal to chase bradley1701 haha
You ARE aware that there's a trivia contest every wendsday where they give away a key to the winner(s), right?

[omocron]

You ARE aware that there's a trivia contest every wendsday where they give away a key to the winner(s), right?

NO thats something constructive - thankyou - you mind posting a link with more details?

[omocron]

I still don't see eye to eye with you on this. However what you're saying here, taken at face value is probably the most compelling argument for me against how Cryptic is offering some of the closed beta slots. I can see where trangressing that relationship could be seen as a slap in the face.

I really don't think Cryptic is intentionally taking advantage of people. They are providing a way to get in the closed beta, if you don't know what that's means it's not because Cryptic was hiding that from you and it's your own fault for buying something without looking into it more closely.

I have no experience with closed betas but is it possible that the kind of person how would take advantage of this offer might also be a good tester? Is there a simliar demographic? Or at the very least, as a group, the people who are taking advantage of the offer would be a good cross section of the people who were going to get in to closed beta anyway?

sorry to chime in on your conversation but i am an experienced tester from my early moo2,botf and SWG days- its safe to say the CO offer has nothing to do with acquiring qualified testers. they are trying to do exactly what hagon brilliantly articulated - make a buck

[Esgar]

NO thats something constructive - thankyou - you mind posting a link with more details?
I'll see if I can find one. You can always ask on the IRC, you'll almost certainly get the info there I think. Off the top of my head, I THINK it's every Wednesday at noon.

[Hagon]

sorry to chime in on your conversation but i am an experienced tester from my early moo2,botf and SWG days- its safe to say the CO offer has nothing to do with acquiring qualified testers. they are trying to do exactly what hagon brilliantly articulated - make a buckWhich is their right keep in mind. No matter how distasteful and low down I personally think this selling beta spots is, it is Cryptic's game in the end.

[KODudna]

Dear God in Heaven.

Really? I mean? Seriously? .... I.... Really? You're not kidding in any way? :eek:

I could write a doctoral thesis about how normal this is, how cool the deal is, how good advertising and business practice it is, etc etc etc, but I don't think you would get past my brilliantly articulated abstract. Besides... I really can't bring myself to humor you anymore. If you wish to continue believing your conspiracy, such is your choice. Enjoy... bitterness, I guess. :o

Oh yes, and just for the record, I have absolutely NO interest in Champions Online what so ever, and I believe this is a good deal.

Yeah, i'm looking at you Omocron, Mr. I-speak-for-the-entire-universe.

[omocron]

Dear God in Heaven.

Really? I mean? Seriously? .... I.... Really? You're not kidding in any way? :eek:

I could write a doctoral thesis about how normal this is, how cool the deal is, how good advertising and business practice it is, etc etc etc, but I don't think you would get past my brilliantly articulated abstract. Besides... I really can't bring myself to humor you anymore. If you wish to continue believing your conspiracy, such is your choice. Enjoy... bitterness, I guess. :o

Oh yes, and just for the record, I have absolutely NO interest in Champions Online what so ever, and I believe this is a good deal.

Yeah, i'm looking at you Omocron, Mr. I-speak-for-the-entire-universe.

I cant stand this term but it fits so well here- ' EPIC FAIL'

nice try shake and bake - gotta love the trollers

[omocron]

You ARE aware that there's a trivia contest every wendsday where they give away a key to the winner(s), right?

Anyone else know about the details of this deal?

[KODudna]

Yeah. You caught me Omocron. You caught me.

Shake and bake? I lol'ed.

Seriously though. This is ridiculous, and this man is truly insulting. Oh wait, i'm on the internet! Silly me ;-p

Anywho I think i'm tired of fueling the fire... I shouldn't have at all, I know. I'm a bad person. But I give anyone who wants (Omocron) permission to flame the crap out of me, its okay. Let it all out. I wont see it, promise!

[Esgar]

Anyone else know about the details of this deal?

So, they're 11:30 PDT on Wednesdays. Straight from Rekhan.

[jblancato]

I think we've run this into the ground. We've got numerous threads on this already.