why we need server with other languages!!!

[LordDrakonis]

i played the CO beta and it was nice but, i am german and others are french oder italian oder chinese ....
we have the text ( the game) in our languages but it is hard to understand the chat which was in english just in english!
there are costomers who want to speak thair own languages when thy play or after a hardly day with english in job the people dont want to speak / read engliish any more bcause it isnt their language.
others cant speak english and whant to play STO!

thats why we need servers with languages that means, servers where germans oder chinese, france can go and see ah there are other germans "hi all - in german"

an other problem with the 1 server option is that the quests names in english are chanced in german an in german they have other meanings! i hope you understand

PLEASE CRYPTIC READ THIS AND HELP THE COSTOMERS OUT OF "USA / UK!! WHICH CANT SPEAK ENGLISH WELL - OR GIVE US THE OPTION IN STO TO MAKE A GERMAN CHANNEL ODER SOMETHING LIKE THAT DO SOMETHING FOR US IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!

thanks,

aerek raven

PS: sorry my english is uhhhh :D

[ZeframCochrane]

PS: sorry my english is uhhhh :D

You speak English better than I'll ever speak German so I wouldn't feel too bad if I were you.

[Kinjiru]

Heh, his English is better than some Americans' that I know. :D

[jblancato]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

[Deeku]

Nobody is forcing anybody to speak English in the chat. Just speak German with other German speaking people.

(I know where you're coming from though.)

[andrewprofit]

I think rather than seperate servers the answer is seperate chat channels. As far as translating npc content that's just a matter of time they are probable having that done now that CO is in beta.


I think it adds to the community to have people speaking in different languages and you have to try to understand them. Actually learning a few basic words in another language would add to the immersion.

[loyaltrekie]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

Is there going to be any "translator" built in to the engine? Even something akin to FFXI where its just pre programmed game terms and common phrases?

[Manx]

This is where something like FFXI's auto-translate feature would come in handy. Sure, it was a little clumsy, but it did the job.

[SelorKiith]

Google Translations... always have the page open ;)

[Zepath]

Ah hell ... go look at Google's Wave project ... there is a video here (http://wave.google.com/) ... jump to 1h 12m in that video (yes, that's 1:12:00).

Now that's what we're talking about!!!

[LordDrakonis]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

sure i understand, but will there be other channels in french oder something like this?:confused:

[AraYm]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

Ah gute Nachrichten ^^

good news

[LordDrakonis]

Ah gute Nachrichten ^^

good news

wie meinst du das?

what do u mean?

[Telinous]

Auto-translators in game would help, FFXI has the game in several languages and names/titles are adjusted accordingly for each, while they all have a translator you can select names/titles and phrases from to communicate acrossed to players of all languages without having a common real language.

[jweinstein]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

[AraYm]

wie meinst du das?

what do u mean?

Die Nachricht, dass es wahrscheinlich Server für Deutschland und Frankreich geben wird wie in COX
Ich werde whrscheinlich auf dem 1./den Amerkanischen/Uk-Server bleiben, aber es ist manchmal doch einfacher eine/n Raid/Party zu haben in der alle die selbe Sprache sprechen ^^
Ich schätze ich werde, nur für den Fall, dass wie bei COX die deutschen Server recht unterbevölkert sind einen account/Char auf einem US/Uk server haben

It's good news that they're planing to locate Severs in Germany and France just like they did with COX
I think I'm going to stay on the 1st/american/Uk-Server, but sometimes it's a lot easier to have a Raid/party with everone speaking the same language^^
And just in case that the german server is as underpopulated (at times) like the one from COX, I'm going to keep a/n account/char on the us/uk server aswell

[SelorKiith]

Die Nachricht, dass es wahrscheinlich Server für Deutschland und Frankreich geben wird wie in COX
Ich werde whrscheinlich auf dem 1./den Amerkanischen/Uk-Server bleiben, aber es ist manchmal doch einfacher eine/n Raid/Party zu haben in der alle die selbe Sprache sprechen ^^
Ich schätze ich werde, nur für den Fall, dass wie bei COX die deutschen Server recht unterbevölkert sind einen account/Char auf einem US/Uk server haben

It's good news that they're planing to locate Severs in Germany and France just like they did with COX
I think I'm gonig to stay on the 1st/american/Uk-Server, but sometimes it's a lot easier to have a Raid/party with everone speaking the same language^^
And just in case that the german server is as underpopulated (at times) like the one from COX, I'm going to keep a/n account/char on the us/uk server

I think you greatly misunderstood...

Localizing doesn't mean set it up at a "Local Position"... it is just Translating...
We will get the Game in English, German and Frend but no different Servers for them, we all will play on the one big server... just our Interface, Quest etc. Texts are in "our" Language...

Edit: Ach dreck drauf: Eine Lokalisierung ist nur eine Übersetzung... nicht die Verortung von Servern im jeweiligen Land ;)

[LordDrakonis]

Die Nachricht, dass es wahrscheinlich Server für Deutschland und Frankreich geben wird wie in COX
Ich werde whrscheinlich auf dem 1./den Amerkanischen/Uk-Server bleiben, aber es ist manchmal doch einfacher eine/n Raid/Party zu haben in der alle die selbe Sprache sprechen ^^
Ich schätze ich werde, nur für den Fall, dass wie bei COX die deutschen Server recht unterbevölkert sind einen account/Char auf einem US/Uk server haben

It's good news that they're planing to locate Severs in Germany and France just like they did with COX
I think I'm going to stay on the 1st/american/Uk-Server, but sometimes it's a lot easier to have a Raid/party with everone speaking the same language^^
And just in case that the german server is as underpopulated (at times) like the one from COX, I'm going to keep a/n account/char on the us/uk server aswell

und du meinst du hast das richtig verstanden oder habe ich es falsch vertsanden :confused::rolleyes:

and do you mean that you have understood correctly or I did wrong? will there a german server :eek:

[LordDave]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

I think what he means is "I don't want to listen to the English speakers in an English game talking in English. I only want to see my native language speak."
Which means he wants a separate, non-english, channel.

[SelorKiith]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

Well cool :)
Nice to hear that kind of feature is in :)

Thank you for the Information :D

[Tamgros]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

Awesome, hopefully if you have a voice client (which i believe was softly confirmed), you'll have this functionality with this as well?

[LordDrakonis]

Well cool :)
Nice to hear that kind of feature is in :)

Thank you for the Information :D

hi you :D nice to meet you here


topic: jap *SIGN*

I think what he means is "I don't want to listen to the English speakers in an English game talking in English. I only want to see my native language speak."
Which means he wants a separate, non-english, channel.

JAP I MEAN HHAAAA

[AraYm]

I think you greatly misunderstood...

Localizing doesn't mean set it up at a "Local Position"... it is just Translating...
We will get the Game in English, German and Frend but no different Servers for them, we all will play on the one big server... just our Interface, Quest etc. Texts are in "our" Language...

Edit: Ach dreck drauf: Eine Lokalisierung ist nur eine Übersetzung... nicht die Verortung von Servern im jeweiligen Land ;)

Hmm maybe you're right. i was just asuming they'd use the same model as in Cox

Edit: Wo die lokalisierung/verortung/das aufziehen eines Servers in dem betreffenden Land der Fall war ;-)

[LordDrakonis]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

hey Rehpic i have an really cool idea, whats with something like this:

for example there are 30 instances for SOL can we get some instances for german players reserved
like this:
SOL 1 GER
SOL 2 GER
SOL 2- 9 ENG(USA)
SOL 10 FR (French)

i think this is a better idea and every player can go to the language instance he want to!
do you mean we can see something like this after speak with your team? there is no big
effort for this i thnk this is a needed support for us.

[Telinous]

hey Rehpic i have an really cool idea, whats with something like this:

for example there are 30 instances for SOL can we get some instances for german players reserved
like this:
SOL 1 GER
SOL 2 GER
SOL 2- 9 ENG(USA)
SOL 10 FR (French)

i think this is a better idea and every player can go to the language instance he want to!
do you mean we can see something like this after speak with your team? there is no big
effort for this i thnk this is a needed support for us.

clever idea, but I do not agree with seperating players based on location and languages. They simply need to properly convert the game into the languages that are in high enough demand, such as German, French, Spanish, chinese, and Japanese. so that every player may play the game itself in their own language while having the real experience of interacting with players of other backgrounds, some without a common language (thats half the fun after all is trying to communicate with a "alien" race that you have no basic communication with.)

[LordDrakonis]

clever idea, but I do not agree with seperating players based on location and languages. They simply need to properly convert the game into the languages that are in high enough demand, such as German, French, Spanish, chinese, and Japanese. so that every player may play the game itself in their own language while having the real experience of interacting with players of other backgrounds, some without a common language (thats half the fun after all is trying to communicate with a "alien" race that you have no basic communication with.)

you're right, but instances of this is the best solution in terms of talking

[Psaldorn]

Would it have been so hard?

A universal translator is all we ask Cryptic.. keep up with the canon.



:D


Ah hell ... go look at Google's Wave project ... there is a video here (http://wave.google.com/) ... jump to 1h 12m in that video (yes, that's 1:12:00).

Now that's what we're talking about!!!

Does Rosy do Klingon?

[Psaldorn]

There doesn't seem to be a delete button in Edit/Delete. Sorry!

[KL0k]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

bad idea - aslong as there wont be predefined channels madeup from cryptic, otherways we endup with thousands of channels about the same topic.

[shadowsafer]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

It's a nice feature, but I'm not sure if it is sufficient. Most dutch people won't mind since the majority have excellent (or at least sufficient) english skills, however my fellow french and german european neighbours have a big language barrier when communicating with the rest of the server.

I notice this problem in games like WoW and Aion too and it's frustrating for both parties when you see 'spam' in general chat in a language you don't understand. Luckily for me my german is okay enough to understand the majority of what german people are talking about or are trying to get across, but it can be very difficult at times to understand them and to make myself understood.

Even worse is when the spanish, russians, bulgarians or greeks join in, usually they have big gaming communities as well, but besides their own residents not many people understand them.
In WoW it was solved by giving the germans, spanish, french and russians their own servers.

Now as I understand Cryptic wants to run STO on just 1 server, but maybe you could make things a bit easier by having server channels that are clear for the respective languages to join rather user created channels.
We tried the latter in WoW and though it was somewhat succesful the majority of the people still didn't know about their existance.
Example, you could have a chat menu and have an option called language specific channels which could go like;
French
Russian
German
English
Spanish
etc.
After an option is picked the general chat will change to the language of choice, default channel would be english, or if a localized version is installed, for example german, then the channel would be german by default.

When it's an easy to find option it would probably make life for a lot of european gamers easier if there is a list they can pull down with general chat languages for their own country.
I can also understand you rather see people in touch with each other in just general chat, this is star trek after all, but unless a universal translator gets added in this would be a better solution. :)
Programming wise I hope this will be an easy and fast fix as well that shouldn't trouble your devs too much.

I'm not sure how far you want to take it with localization, but if the chinese, japanese and koreans also join us I would really prefer this option. The language barriers are just too big otherwhise and nobody is happy with language spam from another language they don't understand.

[shadowsafer]

bad idea - aslong as there wont be predefined channels madeup from cryptic, otherways we endup with thousands of channels about the same topic.

Hmm.. seems like we think the same about this. :p

I took some more time to write my post so mine came in a bit later. :-x

[LordDrakonis]

It's a nice feature, but I'm not sure if it is sufficient. Most dutch people won't mind since the majority have excellent (or at least sufficient) english skills, however my fellow french and german european neighbours have a big language barrier when communicating with the rest of the server.

I notice this problem in games like WoW and Aion too and it's frustrating for both parties when you see 'spam' in general chat in a language you don't understand. Luckily for me my german is okay enough to understand the majority of what german people are talking about or are trying to get across, but it can be very difficult at times to understand them and to make myself understood.

Even worse is when the spanish, russians, bulgarians or greeks join in, usually they have big gaming communities as well, but besides their own residents not many people understand them.
In WoW it was solved by giving the germans, spanish, french and russians their own servers.

Now as I understand Cryptic wants to run STO on just 1 server, but maybe you could make things a bit easier by having server channels that are clear for the respective languages to join rather user created channels.
We tried the latter in WoW and though it was somewhat succesful the majority of the people still didn't know about their existance.
Example, you could have a chat menu and have an option called language specific channels which could go like;
French
Russian
German
English
Spanish
etc.
After an option is picked the general chat will change to the language of choice, default channel would be english, or if a localized version is installed, for example german, then the channel would be german by default.

When it's an easy to find option it would probably make life for a lot of european gamers easier if there is a list they can pull down with general chat languages for their own country.
I can also understand you rather see people in touch with each other in just general chat, this is star trek after all, but unless a universal translator gets added in this would be a better solution. :)
Programming wise I hope this will be an easy and fast fix as well that shouldn't trouble your devs too much.

I'm not sure how far you want to take it with localization, but if the chinese, japanese and koreans also join us I would really prefer this option. The language barriers are just too big otherwhise and nobody is happy with language spam from another language they don't understand.

that was my idea i said and mean to! PLEASE CRYPTIC DO THAT THATS BEST EVER!!!!!

[shadowsafer]

that was my idea i said and mean to! PLEASE CRYPTIC DO THAT THATS BEST EVER!!!!!

Danke. :p

Didn't expect such a positive response hehe. :D

[LordDrakonis]

Danke. :p

Didn't expect such a positive response hehe. :D

oh schon wieder ein deutscher, die welt is ja sooo groß ^^

a german, too ha the world is sooo smalll i think

topic:

i think with the channels is an excelend idea which cryptic sould adapt.!!!!

[AraYm]

It's a nice feature, but I'm not sure if it is sufficient. Most dutch people won't mind since the majority have excellent (or at least sufficient) english skills, however my fellow french and german european neighbours have a big language barrier when communicating with the rest of the server.



Yeah I might agree with you on this one.

Even though english is the first foreign language in german schools, the numbers of germans who can't speak or understand a sinlge word is unbelievable high

Best example is my flatmate. He's really excited about STO but he deosn't understand a single english word or he needs a lot of time to get it

So I think predefined channels from Cryptic would be a nice idea.

[MIB]

I'm all for this. I think we need a server that is done completely in Klingon. :eek:

Qa'pla!

[shadowsafer]

I'm all for this. I think we need a server that is done completely in Klingon. :eek:

Qa'pla!

I'm sure they could add a channel in vulcan and klingon for the fun of it as well, should they go with my idea. ;)

[jblancato]

As we get closer to launch, we'll be creating French and German sections of the forums for the communties to gather, as well. That should help keep people from feeling isolated in a primarily-English chat environment.

[SelorKiith]

Well I find different predefined, overwriting chats are not that good... I mean... I want to play with ANYONE and not just Germans or English People or whatever... the standardchat channel should remain the "Everyones here!" channel and just add another channel to this in you Language...

So to clarify: You eventually get TWO Standardchats - if anything absolutely has to be done (Hell you can write on the Forums here so your english cannot be that bad that you wouldn't understand Chat One-Liners)
The General Worldwide Chat that is for everyone the same (and preferably not to turn off :p)
and If absolutely necessary your language Chat that you can choose in your Chat Options Menu or leave out so you're free to add you language chat...

Any other solution is just bad and would just lead to total seperation of everyone... which obviously ISN'T the goal if you put anyone on the world together...

[CherryTerri]

I have mixed feelings on this.

In EQ2, they have the game seperated by region so that helps with the language barrier.

But I've also played free MMOs that are a melting pot of languages. Mainly, players asked in their language in the chat channel who speaks whatever language, they met up and play.

Player made chat channels are also a great idea, and you can put it in your sig or when the language specific forums come out, make a post there.

For me though, people need to respect each other. I've seen people talking in chat in a language others don't understand and just keep going, spamming the channel with their "gibberish" for a lack of other word. So here's hoping something can be figured out.

[Moony]

Well I find different predefined, overwriting chats are not that good... I mean... I want to play with ANYONE and not just Germans or English People or whatever... the standardchat channel should remain the "Everyones here!" channel and just add another channel to this in you Language...

So to clarify: You eventually get TWO Standardchats - if anything absolutely has to be done (Hell you can write on the Forums here so your english cannot be that bad that you wouldn't understand Chat One-Liners)
The General Worldwide Chat that is for everyone the same (and preferably not to turn off :p)
and If absolutely necessary your language Chat that you can choose in your Chat Options Menu or leave out so you're free to add you language chat...

Any other solution is just bad and would just lead to total seperation of everyone... which obviously ISN'T the goal if you put anyone on the world together...

/agree
a *one-server-game* need a standardchat-channel. and the general language is english.
all other language player can use a *cryptic/other-player-create-chatchannel*. this is the best way, i think.

moony

[LordDrakonis]

We plan on launching with a single server. Don't be afraid to communicate in German, since we don't have an official language, and we plan on localizing the game into German and French.

that are good news, but can we get pre reserved chat chennels ingame at launch , will it be possible?

or a tool tipp or menu to choose the chanlles there a re createt from other players?

[Irx]

I played CO and don't mind different languages on 1 server.

The thing I didn't like is that it doesn't support russian (probably most other languages other than english/german/french) - I don't need it for public chats or interface, but it sucks that I can't communicate with my friends in pms in our native.

[LordDrakonis]

/agree
a *one-server-game* need a standardchat-channel. and the general language is english.
all other language player can use a *cryptic/other-player-create-chatchannel*. this is the best way, i think.

moony

errrm yes really?

you just think on your mind! i am USA i am English we have to speak english really nice!!! what is with the EU what is with the other players. do you think the world is USA? that seems to be what you think or what i can understand from your words so here listen to this...

here is the problem:

a german player starts STO on launch day. the game is completley in german cool thing yes! but he dont know about that there is one server .... mhhh
he logs in and choose a instance , he think : are these servers? mhh ok i choose XYZ 1 cool thing now i can start my character is a cool by now we will save the galacy for klingons.
than he can se there is the chat ( local / section / public) all in english everbyody speaks english but he cant read, understand, and write english... and now?? what is than , what he can do. no body can help him to change the chennel to german one!
no body can help him on an episode ( quest)
no body can tell him hey lats make a group bekause he dont speak english! he thinks ok there have to be german players mhh

he writes a question in german hey are there some germans or is there a german chennell (IN GERMAN)

no body answers because in the instance he is there aren germans.. COOOL THING
after chanching the instance 10 times NO GERMAN .. wehere are they?

this is relly frustrating !

for example on EVE or (CO Beta) i can speak english yeahh but i searched for my languages and after hours i find someone who can tell how some things work but in english and there were words i dont understand and the context was ****... sorry for the word

after that i was so frustrated that i deinstalled EVE and put it to the bin! is was agrryyyy:mad:

NOW I HOPE SOME PLAYERS WHO THINK OUUUUU CAN UNDERSTAND
CRYPTIC READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM SPEAK AROUND IN YOUR TEAM AND FIND A BETTER SOLUTION PLS THERE REALLY ARE A LOT OF COSTOMERS WHO WANT TO PLAY STO AND CANT READ/SPEAK ENGLISH IN A CHAT

[Colm]

The cryptic engine does support user created chat channels. If you like, you could create language specific channels and publicize them. For example, you could have a "German_Trade" channel for arranging trades, or a "French_LFG" channel for finding french speaking teams. The channels are persisted (they stay around even when the server reboots), as long as there are players subscribed to them.

--Rehpic

Exactly what I was hoping for. This will be very usefull for the French-only speaking players such as most of my guildmates and allied fleets.

Also I would ask if there can be a possibility of locking some chanels with passwords, to avoid spies or trolls or other anoyances, the chanel creator gaining moderation rights over the chanel.

[KL0k]

As we get closer to launch, we'll be creating French and German sections of the forums for the communties to gather, as well. That should help keep people from feeling isolated in a primarily-English chat environment.

thank you :)

[CherryTerri]

... rant ...



Look, we in the States can go through the same thing with games that come out of Asia, with people mainly speaking Japanese or Korean.

Since ST:O comes from the States, it is thought to be English speaking first and foremost.

If Cryptic does not want to make specific servers for other languages it's their choice.

You have already been told that there is going to be the ability to make player-made channels and forums set up here.

Make a post in the Fleet forums looking for other German speaking players. Make up a fleet. Set up what your playermade channel will be. Make it so that others that speak German will know to go to your fleet to enjoy the game.

Also that is why one does research before even thinking of picking up a game. Ask on the forums or look through a FAQ, but flipping out like you did here goes no where.

[Mozcol]

i played the CO beta and it was nice but, i am german and others are french oder italian oder chinese ....
we have the text ( the game) in our languages but it is hard to understand the chat which was in english just in english!
there are costomers who want to speak thair own languages when thy play or after a hardly day with english in job the people dont want to speak / read engliish any more bcause it isnt their language.
others cant speak english and whant to play STO!

thats why we need servers with languages that means, servers where germans oder chinese, france can go and see ah there are other germans "hi all - in german"

an other problem with the 1 server option is that the quests names in english are chanced in german an in german they have other meanings! i hope you understand

PLEASE CRYPTIC READ THIS AND HELP THE COSTOMERS OUT OF "USA / UK!! WHICH CANT SPEAK ENGLISH WELL - OR GIVE US THE OPTION IN STO TO MAKE A GERMAN CHANNEL ODER SOMETHING LIKE THAT DO SOMETHING FOR US IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!

thanks,

aerek raven

PS: sorry my english is uhhhh :D

I understand your concern and with the recent localization of servers for TOR I was wondering when this issue was going to arise for STO. Only going to be one server as we know of so far and if that is the case with everyone being on one server how about individual language channels? I'm no coder but i can't imagine it being very difficult to implement some new chat channels.

[DarkOrion69]

I just realized that though I have played MMO's for years, I have seldom encountered a language barrier. This is probably due to the fact that many MMO's have completely separate servers for Europe and Asia so that time zones match up. I think the only problem I had is when I tried several Korean/Chinese MMO's that had been roughly text translated into English. The Korean speaking players in those MMO's seemed to ignore the English text and the English speaking players seemed to ignore the Korean text.

STO is going to be a single server it appears. Cryptic is going to localize the text so that the game is playable in German and French at least. Players may experience a communication barrier when using in game chat channels however. It will apparently be up to players to create non-English chat channels. Perhaps instructions on how to do this should feature prominently in German/French instruction manuals or tutorials? Further...if people very much want to communicate they could take the extra leap and take rudimentary English instruction?

[Roguee]

Just think of the language thing like the cash item store...nobody's making you speak/listen to English (or buy stuff from the cash store) so it's no big deal...right? ;)

[BlaxxSF]

Cryptic simply lowers the selling chance to the european market , if there is no localized version an no tools for this native Languages. I can speak for germans , i know 50 - 70 % of the german player wont accept games in pure english. I cant speak for french but i know from EvE and SWG this guys mostly dont speak any english or hate it to speak. You just get french speaking.

German speaking People are historical the bigest Part of the Eurpean market. Cryptic should also know this is not CoH or CoC , the market for this kind of games is very small. But evrybody knows Star trek and it will get alot of publicity.

So if Cryptix want to sell , you need localized versions. Serperate Servers ? No. It works this way for EvE and had also worked for SWG . The german-com. will connect togehter with , german fleets , german forums and a lot webpages.

And you willl get german channels and also spam. Personally i like international servers because this Server are alltime a life so you can play day or night. Nearly 50% of the germans can speak some english but the skills are different.

[Acyl]

The game will be localized to different languages. All the game text will be German, French, or whatever.

But since we'll only have one big game world, players will be typing in their own languages.

That's really a separate problem from the localization.

Since STO won't have a server system, I support the idea put forward earlier in this thread. Officially designate some instances for certain language speakers:-

Instance 1: English
Instance 2: German
Instance 3: French
...

And then all remaining numbers can be general 'International' instances. Is that segregation? Well, yeah. Does that kinda go against the idea of having one big game world? Well, yes.

But there's a real problem here. It is very confusing and annoying to have players talking in different languages at once. It's not even an intolerance thing; it's...bewildering and confusing; it makes it difficult to follow the game chat.

For the record, I speak English and several Chinese dialects. When I played WoW, I hung out in Ironforge and advertised English-to-Farmer translation services.

[jamzgub]

As we get closer to launch, we'll be creating French and German sections of the forums for the communties to gather, as well. That should help keep people from feeling isolated in a primarily-English chat environment.

dude, we worried about in game not so much the forums, we want separate "instances" in game where you can select your preferred language just like in champions on-line you can choose NOT to choose an instance zone,

we want predefined eng/ger languages etc etc as its enough to ruin the role-play experience for many when you cant role-play with people you cant understand,

and until you really do make a universal translator you have to do the best for your subscribers and possible subscribers

[SelorKiith]

Here again:

Make a custom Chat Channel for your Language and tell everyone about it and everythings gonna be fine!

I want to play with everyone not just with Germans or french... If I wanted to do this I would go out of the Door in Uniform and Roleplay in Real with some other people!

[128hoodmario]

I think this would definetely be useful as when I was playing WOW (yes I did) I had a couple of characters on French servers so I could better learn the language. Although annoyingly most French people I met there preferred to try their english out on me

[jamzgub]

Here again:

Make a custom Chat Channel for your Language and tell everyone about it and everythings gonna be fine!

I want to play with everyone not just with Germans or french... If I wanted to do this I would go out of the Door in Uniform and Roleplay in Real with some other people!

dude, what we want is an OFFICIAL chat channel that you are automatically joined too unless you CHOOSE otherwise, you can easily find the button that disables the feature!

im not saying segregate everyone but give the ones who CANT or WONT speak another language somewhere, together so every one is happy, you will have the CHOICE to change instances within a zone,,,

you just dont typed you read one little part then hit that reply button! re-read please!

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[BlaxxSF]

Here again:

Make a custom Chat Channel for your Language and tell everyone about it and everythings gonna be fine!

I want to play with everyone not just with Germans or french... If I wanted to do this I would go out of the Door in Uniform and Roleplay in Real with some other people!

This is a normal German , he want to play ... and this lead him to all german want to play the same way :D .
But there also the other ones , wich want to play while using german language ... and wont even buy this game if this not possible :D . I am absolutly sure , French are the same .

So , Exsan sayed one Solution . Take it or take a other one . But remember you need localized versions and any solution for this language issue.

i played a lot of this games :) trust me .

[Colm]

dude, what we want is an OFFICIAL chat channel that you are automatically joined too unless you CHOOSE otherwise, you can easily find the button that disables the feature!

im not saying segregate everyone but give the ones who CANT or WONT speak another language somewhere, together so every one is happy, you will have the CHOICE to change instances within a zone,,,

you just dont typed you read one little part then hit that reply button! re-read please!

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So you want a default chat chanel specific to every language, or a default instance specific to every language ? (Or both?) It's not the same thing.

Personally I doubt it'll be too hard to figure out how to reconfigure your chat chanel. You do it in every MMO out there.

[jamzgub]

but theres always the people who cant be bothered to do it, but then say ask a question in the general chat,

and i thought the zone/instance chat was determined by the instance/zone you were in

[KL0k]

but theres always the people who cant be bothered to do it, but then say ask a question in the general chat,

and i thought the zone/instance chat was determined by the instance/zone you were in

usually thats the way it is. but on top of that, you can use other chat-channels, like region/guild etc

[pixdix]

i played the CO beta and it was nice but, i am german and others are french oder italian oder chinese ....
we have the text ( the game) in our languages but it is hard to understand the chat which was in english just in english!
there are costomers who want to speak thair own languages when thy play or after a hardly day with english in job the people dont want to speak / read engliish any more bcause it isnt their language.
others cant speak english and whant to play STO!

thats why we need servers with languages that means, servers where germans oder chinese, france can go and see ah there are other germans "hi all - in german"

an other problem with the 1 server option is that the quests names in english are chanced in german an in german they have other meanings! i hope you understand

PLEASE CRYPTIC READ THIS AND HELP THE COSTOMERS OUT OF "USA / UK!! WHICH CANT SPEAK ENGLISH WELL - OR GIVE US THE OPTION IN STO TO MAKE A GERMAN CHANNEL ODER SOMETHING LIKE THAT DO SOMETHING FOR US IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!

thanks,

aerek raven

PS: sorry my english is uhhhh :D


I guess, they didn't pay attention in their english lessons they had, lol...

I'm Swiss and I speak perfect american english (Thank you mom!) and perfect french (Thanks dad!)...

Still, they really should put a site like: "www.startrekonline.*"

* .de -> für die Deutschen

* .ch -> für d'Schwiizer -> If needed, because: Swiss has 4 national languages; Italian, French, German, Romansch

* .it -> Per gli italiani

* .fr -> pour les français



EDIT: Maybe even make an International Server. :D

[nean800]

Ich lerne in meiner Schuhle Deutsch.
I learn German At School.

[KL0k]

school = schule, without the second h ;)

anyways, but the OP is right about it. i dont have a problem with english, its just that its not my native tongue and i gotta be concentrated alot more when i have to constantly translate the stuff i read / see / hear, till the point i get tired from it (and no, thats not a joke).
and i dont wanna play this game in windowed mode with a dictionary site opened, just in case the missing word doesnt come to mind.
i mean, i learned it alot through buddys, clanmembers in MxO and through rap music with all the slang n stuff.. but its a difference when im able or "allowed" to enjoy it in my motherlanguage.
and that has nothing to do with "dont want to" or "not able to", its just more comfortable and understandable especially with all the trek-technobabble. :)

[fireraven]

Wow and I used to think that video of the German kid freaking out over Unreal tournament was fake....

Not sure how many times it can be said that channels for various languages can be setup. I bet you can find them in those French and German forums prior to and after the game launches.

[Galv]

dude, what we want is an OFFICIAL chat channel that you are automatically joined too unless you CHOOSE otherwise, you can easily find the button that disables the feature!

im not saying segregate everyone but give the ones who CANT or WONT speak another language somewhere, together so every one is happy, you will have the CHOICE to change instances within a zone,,,

you just dont typed you read one little part then hit that reply button! re-read please!

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I find this a bit confusing, if the said German player can't be bothered to do this, why does it fall on Cryptic to set one up for him, if he can't be bothered that's his problem not Cryptics.

I would of thought with most mmos it's pretty easy to set up a channel in your native tongue and advertise on your native forums.

[Suraknar]

Use the Translator, this is the 24th century!
















:cool:

[loyaltrekie]

I find this a bit confusing, if the said German player can't be bothered to do this, why does it fall on Cryptic to set one up for him, if he can't be bothered that's his problem not Cryptics.
.

Maybe because we are paying them, not the other way around?

[Zepath]

Maybe because we are paying them, not the other way around?

BOOM! BAM! CHA-CHING!

Hahahaha.

[Galv]

Maybe because we are paying them, not the other way around?

Your joking right? how many left clicks of the mouse would it take to set one up, or join one already up and running?

[loyaltrekie]

Your joking right? how many left clicks of the mouse would it take to set one up, or join one already up and running?

You ask a question you get the appropriate response.


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[sellandra]

Would be nice if each ship had a communications officer to translate.Ttranslation should very depending his or her skill level -the universal translator doesn't work for every race in star trek:)

[Galv]

You ask a question you get the appropriate response.

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That's a cheap shot, but 5/10 for the effort well done.

[Raso719]

hey cryptic, why not be the first game developer to implement a universal translator into the game?
I'm sure you could work something out with babble fish or Google to add some kind of application into the game that allows several common languages to be translated on the fly. You'd just need each person to ser their langue in the game and then any one not speaking your language would have it translated into your native language.
Could also be useful for test to speech.

Think of the publicity.

[fireraven]

hey cryptic, why not be the first game developer to implement a universal translator into the game?
I'm sure you could work something out with babble fish or Google to add some kind of application into the game that allows several common languages to be translated on the fly. You'd just need each person to ser their langue in the game and then any one not speaking your language would have it translated into your native language.
Could also be useful for test to speech.

Think of the publicity.
yeah should only set the game back a few yrs and increase the cost to incorporate all the languages and dialects so lazy people don't have to click a button

[Emn1ty]

Well, it shouldn't be that bad. Just running the text through a babel-fish style translation which sets the translation based on the native language of where its from to the system it is being displayed on. For example, someone from china types into chat, the translation would default Chinese > X language where X language is the language set on your receiving machine. It wouldn't be perfect, but neither is the universal translator.