D-7 Klingon Cruisers Are In The Game!! YES!!!!!!

[ExpendableCrewman]

Finally... Ive been wondering about them 4ever.........Ive asked and asked in like 4 different posts about them and I finally get my answer today when I picked up PC Gamer... it looks as if the D-7 just might be the Klingons starter ship as oppsed to the Feds Miranda.....Vary Niiice.

Cryptic just got cool points in my book if all this true<D7's bein playable in game n all> Playin the demo a PC Gamer guy is playin a fed mish with some devs that takes you back in time chasing a Klingon Badguy and you blast away old School D7s back in the day. HOWEVER

,,, taking a caption outta the magazine next to a pic of like 4 D7s "Old ships like the Klingon D7 and Starfleet's Miranda class are still in service in the 25th century, though they tend to explode easily" Showing a D7 in the process of bein blowd up. Well thats affirmation enough for me, what do you think?? Are they gonna be the klingons starter ships?? It seems like a high possibility as of now and in light of this info and how I read the article. Feedback is kewl feel free to add yer opinion, thnx.

[DakotaBlue]

I'd be seriously surprised if the D-7/K'Tinga class of Klingon crusiers wouldn't be in the game. They are classic and we know they were used in the Dominion War or at least just before it. (DS9: Way of the Warrior)

Its not like there's a real big pool of canon Klingon ships. ;)

[USS_Parallax]

Excelsior? Anyone spot one yet?

[ExpendableCrewman]

Im just jazzed there here man.

[bjwalle1]

Sweet!!!! Got to love the D 7 I like blowing them up, even though the are very pretty to look at too:D

[DakotaBlue]

Im just jazzed there here man.

Hahaha... I hear ya, I wait like a begging dog for info on this game. :rolleyes:

The PC Gamer article was a nice surprise. I was scanning the mag rack at walmart and the pair of P-H-Double-Ds on the Vulcan officer caught my attention like a supernova. :D

This game cannot come out soon enough!!

[Avenger_Dragon]

The D7 is a star trek staple and have appeared in some form in every series (at least i'm pretty sure they were in VOY too) And now people can customize them, there will be much awesomeness within the Empire.... just before i blow them up

Excelsior? Anyone spot one yet?

I'm sure we will, if not you can probably make one with the constitution template (like the excalibur) Excelsiors are one of the starfleet staples that have always "just been there" since Star Trek III / VI

if you can have a centaur, you can have an excelsior.

[ExpendableCrewman]

Oh yeaz, and I got to see what my orion slave girl/ science officer for my Kvort Bop will look like AWSM!!! Shes got the princess Leia outfit and everything!! Cant wait cant wait, and damn does that D7 look fiiiine!!

[Archangelwoghd]

This is awesome. The D-7 was always my vavorite of the ships!

[Azurian]

Well I'm happy that the K'Tingas are confirmed, but I'm curious if the D7's are in as well?

Wonder what kind of modifications we will have? Hope nothing too, odd. If you get my drift. :p


Excelsior? Anyone spot one yet?

In the Gamescon video, I swear I saw one. But I can't tell if it's an Excalibur with impulse engines similar to the Excelsior or if it's an Excelsior mod with a Consitution body. Hopefully Cryptic will provide us with the high quality download of that video.

[Manta2015]

Is there an Excelsior in there?

In the Gamescon video, I swear I saw one. But I can't tell if it's an Excalibur with impulse engines similar to the Excelsior or if it's an Excelsior mod with a Consitution body. Hopefully Cryptic will provide us with the high quality download of that video.

I was about to respond to Parallax's post with the same observation. It could just be an Excalibur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3TzXupC_E&feature=channel_page

You can spot it at 2:37 at the top.


-Manta-

[dinendae]

I was about to respond to Parallax's post with the same observation. It could just be an Excalibur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3TzXupC_E&feature=channel_page

You can spot it at 2:37 at the top.


-Manta-

It certainly looked like there was one to me.

[Azurian]

A part of me wants to agree with you, Manta. But there are two things that makes me really think it could be a modified Excelsior.

First, the Impulse Engines appear almost identical to the Excelsiors.

Second, if you keep watching the video and around 2:39 it level's off. It appears not to have a neck and the secondary hull has a long duck-tail that's characteristic of the Excelsior.

The only thing that's throwing us off is the angled warp pylons, which takes on the apperance of the Refit Consitution. That's why I'm asumming this is indeed the first confirmed appearance of the Excelsior, but modified.


EDIT: SEE COMMENT BELOW. Confirmed not Excelsior, but Consitution / Excalibur.

[Avenger_Dragon]

Well I'm happy that the K'Tingas are confirmed, but I'm curious if the D7's are in as well?

Wonder what kind of modifications we will have? Hope nothing too, odd. If you get my drift. :p

In the Gamescon video, I swear I saw one. But I can't tell if it's an Excalibur with impulse engines similar to the Excelsior or if it's an Excelsior mod with a Consitution body. Hopefully Cryptic will provide us with the high quality download of that video.

The K'tinga IS the D7, the original model was just dolled up a little more. so when combined with STO's customization, you can have either one.

I still think if you want a constitution or excelsior, you can out-right make it in the ship creator if it's not already a premade class.

[Azurian]

The new Gamescon Dev Video (not the public one), it is confirmed that it wasn't an Excelsior afterall, but a third customization of the Consitution / Excalibur. In which dubbed the "USS Porksauce" and has secondary hull that is identical to the Excelsior.


The K'tinga IS the D7, the original model was just dolled up a little more. so when combined with STO's customization, you can have either one.

I still think if you want a constitution or excelsior, you can out-right make it in the ship creator if it's not already a premade class.

Technically the K'Tinga is an upgraded D-7, like the D-12 is an upgrade of the B'Rel. But they are not the same ship.

[doctorDIE]

Yeah! Something quick and easy to blow up!!

JK, but really after you get better ships who will fly it?

[ExpendableCrewman]

The K'Tinga is nearly TWICE the size of a D7 with over twice the hull armor/thickness, more weapons, better shields, and faster impulse engines, and faster warp drive due to the fact that its technology is far more advanced and newer than the D7's. True it was made using the D7 as a base, but the Ktinga is a completley different, and more advanced ship. 1 Ktinga could take on about 2 D7's pretty fairly without compromising damage.. that shows how much of a different ship it is.

[Tain]

The K'tinga IS the D7, the original model was just dolled up a little more. so when combined with STO's customization, you can have either one.

I still think if you want a constitution or excelsior, you can out-right make it in the ship creator if it's not already a premade class.

Actually the K'tinga is a totally different model with completely different (albeit not immediately obvious) proportional differences to the D-7 from the TOS.

[Avenger_Dragon]

Actually the K'tinga is a totally different model with completely different (albeit not immediately obvious) proportional differences to the D-7 from the TOS.

In the Star Trek universe, yes the two ships are different.

In the movie-props studio, it was the same ship. The effects crew just gave the ship one HELL of a face-lift as dramatic as the enterprise. In effect the crews did the opposite of what the show was portraying. While the klingon ships were the same models only re-done, the crew made a whole new 1701 refit camera model.

Same thing can be said about the K'vort and B'rel, they're both the same studio model, but the two clases exist to explain why one ship seemed to have more crew and the other could be run by 4-5 starfleet officers

[Tain]

In the Star Trek universe, yes the two ships are different.

In the movie-props studio, it was the same ship. The effects crew just gave the ship one HELL of a face-lift as dramatic as the enterprise. In effect the crews did the opposite of what the show was portraying. While the klingon ships were the same models only re-done, the crew made a whole new 1701 refit camera model.

Same thing can be said about the K'vort and B'rel, they're both the same studio model, but the two clases exist to explain why one ship seemed to have more crew and the other could be run by 4-5 starfleet officers

No, I am speaking of the *model*, specifically the filming minature. It was not the d7. The original studio model used in TOS still exists, in unmodified (though slightly dissasembled) condition. It was viewable in the Smithsonian National Air and Space museum for awhile, along with the Enteriprise filming miniature. The K'tinga was an entirely new filming miniature built specifically for Star Trek: The motion picture. It was a total redesign and its base proportions are in fact very different from the D-7 studio model.

The K'tinga was contracted, built commercially by Magicam for ST:TMP. The Original D-7 was built by AMT from design sketches made by Matt Jeffries in 1967. Several Decades seperate the two very different models. The K'tinga filming model is 6 feet long, the D-7 is something like 3-4 feet. Can't find an exact figure on it.

[Avenger_Dragon]

Looks like we were both talking about the same thing differently, did some looking around and found this:

D7 and K'tinga models side by side (http://www.flickr.com/photos/channaher/2632265137/in/set-72157605951232029/)

Somewhere down the line when I was watching episodes of TOS and TMP era movies (i was born in the 80's so i had to catch-up) I was also into the movie FX and how they were done, and some of them were involving star trek. I could swear one of the models they did a time-lapse on was a D7, turning it into a K'tinga.

The photo on the other hand explains something else, the crews would have to make a bigger model to fit in all the details for the much bigger screen, same as the enterprise, so you were right.

[Tain]

Looks like we were both talking about the same thing differently, did some looking around and found this:

D7 and K'tinga models side by side (http://www.flickr.com/photos/channaher/2632265137/in/set-72157605951232029/)

Somewhere down the line when I was watching episodes of TOS and TMP era movies (i was born in the 80's so i had to catch-up) I was also into the movie FX and how they were done, and some of them were involving star trek. I could swear one of the models they did a time-lapse on was a D7, turning it into a K'tinga.

The photo on the other hand explains something else, the crews would have to make a bigger model to fit in all the details for the much bigger screen, same as the enterprise, so you were right.

What you probably saw was them greebling the K'tinga model, during its production. Prior to receiving its surface detail, ti would look an awful lot like the D7. Was that in the 25th anniversary special by chance?

[Avenger_Dragon]

What you probably saw was them greebling the K'tinga model, during its production. Prior to receiving its surface detail, ti would look an awful lot like the D7. Was that in the 25th anniversary special by chance?

no, it was a regular series on movie special effects, similar to how mythbusters explain their movie history. They did a lot of different things like show the terminator metal under somoene's skin or the T-1000's liquid metal movement, and things like that, the real old school stuff before real CGI was commonplace. It might have been recycling for an episode of a later series (tng probably) They also did the Saratoga explosion in DS9 and the animatronic T-rex in Jurrasic Park.

[Cyan_Korr]

I'm psyched to be able to command a Miranda.

[crobar001]

I cant wait to get my hands on one of these!

[ExpendableCrewman]

Since D7s are the ship we will most probably start off with <a guess, since the feds start with the miranda also an older class of ship> when do you suppose we will get the Brel Bird of Prey, and when will we get the KVort? Speculations??

[mwood1387]

Excelsior? Anyone spot one yet?

I have. :cool:

I'm totally happy that the D7s are there although as a starter ship :( They deserved better :)

[Tain]

Since D7s are the ship we will most probably start off with <a guess, since the feds start with the miranda also an older class of ship> when do you suppose we will get the Brel Bird of Prey, and when will we get the KVort? Speculations??

I think it could still very much be the bird of prey, or maybe even the Raptor. The Modernized K'tinga is more on par with an Excelsior, not a Miranda, so it wouldn't make a very good starter ship, its too shooty.

[Dogbertious]

It is good to see the old faithful return. I've always had a soft-spot for the D7/K'tinga hull, and this means I may have to play as a Klingon at some point.....

I wouldn't actually be suprised if we see a carrier-varient of the hull. It has a large surface area for hanger bays to be built onto, especially under the wings.

[JAMESBond007]

They are good ships to look at and I like them so i hope they are in the game:D

[Avenger_Dragon]

Since D7s are the ship we will most probably start off with <a guess, since the feds start with the miranda also an older class of ship> when do you suppose we will get the Brel Bird of Prey, and when will we get the KVort? Speculations??

Chances are Klingons will definitely start with a B'rel, next tier probably K'vort unless the ships are in different categories altogether since the K'vort is a lot bigger.

The raptor looks a little too powerful to start with, it feels like a klingon's answer to the defiant. Maybe there will be a D5 or D6 hull to act as a starter ship

On a side note... most of us know of the C10 and C11 battleships but... anyone ever think what a D1 would look like?

[Azurian]

This is what I think might be the lineup for Klingons Warships:

Teir 1:
B'Rel-Class Bird-of-Prey
D-5-class Battlecruiser (In Enterprise, it served as a Patrol Ship and a Freighter. Which is about the same tasks as the Miranda on the Federation side. But Cryptic hasn't mentioned resurrecting this ship design.)

Teir 2:
Cruiser: D7 / K'Tinga-class Battlecruiser (Equivalent to the Constitution / Excalibur customization)
Raider: Raptor-class (Raptor already stated to be a Raider).
Carrier: ???

Teir 3:
Cruiser: Vor'cha-class Battlecruiser
Raider: K'Vort-class Bird-of-Prey (As powerful as K'Vorts are, they are more Raider than Cruiser).
Carrier: ???

Teir 4:
Cruiser: Negh'var-class Battlecruiser
Raider: ???
Carrier: Vo'Quv-class Carrier



So where you have ???'s, is where is Cryptic has to fill the gaps. Hopefully they will have pure-Klingon Designs and not have the gaps filled by other races.

[Avenger_Dragon]

The vor'cha is rumored to have a carrier module, so it may serve as the tier 3 carrier

and instead of D7/K'tinga combination, what about the D7 as cruiser and K'Tinga as a carrier?

And something is telling me the k'vort and raptor may be flipped around, since the raptor is supposed to be new and modernized while the k'vort is much older

The last gap would be T4 Raider which could be this thing (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/unknown-klingon.jpg) from the DS9 Episode "Sons of Mogh" The ship itself is lightly tied to the klingons.

That or the non-Cannon C10 battlecruiser could be the raider too

With that info, I see:


Teir 1:
B'Rel-Class Bird-of-Prey

Teir 2:
Cruiser: D7
Raider: K'Vort
Carrier: K'Tinga

Teir 3:
Cruiser: Vor'cha-class Battlecruiser
Raider: Raptor
Carrier: Vor'cha BattleCarrier W/ Fighter module

Teir 4:
Cruiser: Negh'var-class Battlecruiser
Raider: ???
Carrier: Vo'Quv-class Carrier

Maybe it will help figure out the tree, maybe not

[Tain]

I'd say the K'tinga should never be a carrier. It has been called a battle cruiser since it was first seen, operating I may point out as part of a battle group of 3 ships in its debut. By its very definition the k'tinga is a ship designed to be stuffed to the brim with more guns than it should be able to hold, and sent on its merry way. It has very little internal volume relative to its size so it would be a terrible carrier platform. Making it one would fly in the face of everything we have ever seen, or heard, about the ship. The same goes for the D7. The carrier would have to be something specialized that we haven't seen before, with a much higher internal volume for the size of the ship.

The Voquv is a good example. The ship looks bloated, as it has a very high relative internal volume. This is something carriers need if they are to be viable.

[Azurian]

The vor'cha is rumored to have a carrier module, so it may serve as the tier 3 carrier

I don't recall the Vor'cha having a carrier module, but I'll wait and see for confirmation.

and instead of D7/K'tinga combination, what about the D7 as cruiser and K'Tinga as a carrier?

The K'Tinga as a carrier? No sir, she's a Cruiser through and through.

And something is telling me the k'vort and raptor may be flipped around, since the raptor is supposed to be new and modernized while the k'vort is much older

I disagree that the K'Vort being Teir 2 and the Raptor Teir 3. Because the Raptor is 240m long, while the K'Vort is 423m long.

The K'Vort is more capable than the Raptor.

The last gap would be T4 Raider which could be this thing (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/unknown-klingon.jpg) from the DS9 Episode "Sons of Mogh" The ship itself is lightly tied to the klingons.

Possible, but she looks like a possible Carrier to me.

That or the non-Cannon C10 battlecruiser could be the raider too

Sorry, but anything FASA isn't going to make it in STO, because Paramount doesn't own those designs.

Trust me, I wish Cryptic did have access to them. I'm very fond of the F-5 Frigate from SFC1. :D

[Avenger_Dragon]

I don't recall the Vor'cha having a carrier module, but I'll wait and see for confirmation.

It's not cannon, but the ship was designed to have a "fighter pod" in place of the forward disruptors or an ECM pod instead. Rumor has it that one of these supposed variants actually showed up in an episode of DS9

The K'Tinga as a carrier? No sir, she's a Cruiser through and through.

*Shrug* Depends on what Cryptic Decides. I've seen people do worse with known ships.

I disagree that the K'Vort being Teir 2 and the Raptor Teir 3. Because the Raptor is 240m long, while the K'Vort is 423m long.

And yet current theory is that the defiant will be tier 3, and the stats of the raptor stand toe to toe with the defiant(vigilant). K'vort is bigger, yes, but i doubt it would overpower the new Raptor. Maybe match it.

Example: The Defiant vs Lakota, which is an argument for a seperate thread, nedless to say the defiant was capable of battling the lakota and stood a chance of winning.

The K'Vort is more capable than the Raptor.

I'd say the K'vort is just as capable, but not more capable, at a slightly extra cost of resources, and much more crew required to operate the ship. Plus the design is much older, predating TNG and post-dating STVI

Possible, but she looks like a possible Carrier to me.
if it's used at all, it's a freak-ship like the curry class, but it's one of the last ships in cannon that are plausible. It could easily be packed with weapons like a vor'cha with the same shape. Otherwise we're waiting to see what the devs make.


Sorry, but anything FASA isn't going to make it in STO, because Paramount doesn't own those designs.

Trust me, I wish Cryptic did have access to them. I'm very fond of the F-5 Frigate from SFC1. :D

It's possible to make something similar, FASA has been out of business apparently. Their website was since necroed by the FAFSA student aid system.

[HyenaZERO]

FASA has been out of business apparently. Their website was since necroed by the FAFSA student aid system.

FASA may be out of business by name, but their dead-tree products are still in distribution, and the founders created a new company called 'Smith and Tinker' and bough back the electronic rights to Battletech, Crimson Skies, and Shadowrun from Micro$oft. If they wanted to go to that extent to get their rights back, they may be a little 'miffed' if someone started using their own original design Trek ships in another electronic IP.

Just sayin.

[zane5546]

It's hard to be definitive, since it's all non-canon. But I've always been under the impression that "D7" is the Starfleet designation for a range of Klingon battlecruiser classes, including the K'tinga (ST:TMP) and Klolode (ST:TOS, ST:TAS) classes.

[Commodore_Rook]

Well cannon or non-cannon, I think it is moot at this time, since we are getting the likes of the Excalibur class, the NX-91001 and the like.