Vulcan ship of the line?

[Archangelwoghd]

We have seen Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Gorn, and orion ships.
Will we see any Vulcan ships?

(If I've missed one, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction please?)

:)

[Varrangian]

We have seen Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Gorn, and orion ships.
Will we see any Vulcan ships?

(If I've missed one, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction please?)

:)

Where exactly have we had a Gorn or Orion ship of the line?Please use the links to show me because I don't see it. (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships)

[seant9]

It would be nice to see Vulcan ships in the game, but somehow I doubt that there will be any. I think the Federation will have the typical Starfleet looking ships, e.g. grey with a saucer section and a couple of nacelles.

[Archangelwoghd]

Where exactly have we had a Gorn or Orion ship of the line?Please use the links to show me because I don't see it. (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships)


I was referring to these:

http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/unknown
http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/science_vessel_vii


...as well as the variety of ships seen in the videos and screen shots.

No Vulcan ships, at least as far as I could find.

[Antagonist]

I was referring to these:

http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/unknown
http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/science_vessel_vii


...as well as the variety of ships seen in the videos and screen shots.

No Vulcan ships, at least as far as I could find.

I dont think there are any...the federation uses pretty standardized ships

[Varrangian]

I was referring to these:

http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/unknown
http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/science_vessel_vii


...as well as the variety of ships seen in the videos and screen shots.

No Vulcan ships, at least as far as I could find.

Neither of those ships is Gorn or Orion. The Recon, photo while likely of a Romulan ship will not be an PC ships. My guess is the Type VII will likewise be an NPC ship.

So far we've seen one screen shot of a "Orion Syndicate" ship, but no conformation on if this is a NPC or PC ship.

As for Vulcan ships, I don't see it happening. They are members of the Federation and while they likely keep their own fleet, we will not be characters in the Vuclan fleet, we will be Starfleet officers and so using Starfleet ships.

[Draconianknight]

We have seen Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Gorn, and orion ships.
Will we see any Vulcan ships?

(If I've missed one, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction please?)

:)

Vulcan is part of the Federation....so I would say you have already seen them:rolleyes:
Either way they go BOOM just the same:cool:

[Archangelwoghd]

I don't see how cryptic would make ships for all these other races (both PC and NPC), yet skip a race so critical as the Vulcans. I'm certain they will be in the game, I'm just hoping that Cryptic might give us a peek!

[seant9]

I don't see how cryptic would make ships for all these other races (both PC and NPC), yet skip a race so critical as the Vulcans. I'm certain they will be in the game, I'm just hoping that Cryptic might give us a peek!

I could see a Vulcan ship as an NPC. Maybe one will send out a distress call and the Feds have to come to the rescue. Maybe a Klingon could intercept the transmission and try tto beat the Feds there to obtain some good technology.

[Archangelwoghd]

I could see a Vulcan ship as an NPC. Maybe one will send out a distress call and the Feds have to come to the rescue. Maybe a Klingon could intercept the transmission and try tto beat the Feds there to obtain some good technology.

That's EXACTLY the kind of thing I was thinking of. It's not like we haven't seen Vulcan designs. We saw the vulcan long range shuttle in STTMP, the Vulcan lander in First Contact, a bunch of Vulcan ships in ENT, and if I'm not mistaken, one or two in the new movie. So I'm certain they are in the game, I'm just hoping the Devs might give us a peek.

[USS_Parallax]

I don't think the Vulcans HAVE Vulcan ships anymore outside of possibly civilian use. You won't and should never see a Vulcan style ship in Starfleet. They've really fully integrated into the Federation along with many other Federation members.

[ronaldheld]

I might expect Vulcan ships as NPC ships on specific missions.

[ussawsomeness]

I thought vulcan ships did not exist anymore?

[Anichent]

We have seen Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Gorn, and orion ships.
Will we see any Vulcan ships?

(If I've missed one, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction please?)

:)

I'm gonna say with some certainty that, unless there is a Mission that takes you back to ENT era, there wont be Vulcan ships because VULCAN is part of the FEDERATION. Starfleet ships are Vulcan ships

[Drexxus3d]

We aren't vulcan high command, we're federation. We fly federation ships, not vulcan ones.

It would be akin to joining the US Army and wanting to drive a german tank. :p

I feel your pain though, I really want to fly a romulan warbird and still somehow be federation.

I think thats the misconception here, we aren't just "allies" of the federation, we ARE federation and that means using federation ships and equipment.

[Anichent]

It would be akin to joining the US Army and wanting to drive a german tank. :p



It would be more akin to being a member of the US army and wanting to command a Texan ship....no such thing.

[AchillesHeel]

I don't think the Vulcans HAVE Vulcan ships anymore outside of possibly civilian use. You won't and should never see a Vulcan style ship in Starfleet. They've really fully integrated into the Federation along with many other Federation members.
I agree, although I wouldn't qualify the statement with the word "possibly."

We aren't vulcan high command, we're federation. We fly federation ships, not vulcan ones.

It would be akin to joining the US Army and wanting to drive a german tank. :p

I feel your pain though, I really want to fly a romulan warbird and still somehow be federation.

I think thats the misconception here, we aren't just "allies" of the federation, we ARE federation and that means using federation ships and equipment.
Replace every mention of "Federation" in your post with "Starfleet", and I think you have it. The US Army wouldn't operate a platoon of Leopards, other than for R&D purposes, but Americans drive German cars all the time.

[AchillesHeel]

It would be more akin to being a member of the US army and wanting to command a Texan ship....no such thing.
The Federation isn't an exact analogue for the United States. In some ways, the European Union is a better comparison, for illustrative purposes. In this case, it would be like a German preferring a German car to an Italian car. The Federation has a unified military, but not a unified culture. In particular, we know that the Vulcans still produce their own starships, as late as the end of the 24th Century (e.g. Spock's ship in the new Star Trek movie).

[DanSeale]

Someone posted a Vulcan concept ship .. dunno if it was Cryptics .. or their predecessor .

Rats.. I can not for the life of me remember who or what was posted. I DO remember it was really sweet !

Anyone remember that .. at all.

sorry .. really haveing a senior moment here !

LOL !

:D

[THORN74]

I don't see how cryptic would make ships for all these other races (both PC and NPC), yet skip a race so critical as the Vulcans. I'm certain they will be in the game, I'm just hoping that Cryptic might give us a peek!

the resaon is simple.... ur faction choices are Klingon Defence Force or Starfleet. NOT FEDERATION OR KLINGON.

IF, and only if they decide to show us an npc vulcan ship will u see one. Starfleet doesnt use vulcan ships.

the other ships u mentioned were NOT part of the Ships of the Line. they were mearly screen shots, and im sure there will be plenty of vulcan ships scurring arround the background.... none playable though.

KDF is a different mix, since the KDF is more of a millitia than a true military (the houses control their own fleets and will fly under the collective banner of the high counsil, most of the time) so the likelyhood of seeing orion or naussican, or gorn ships as player ships is reasonably high.

[Anichent]

The Federation isn't an exact analogue for the United States. In some ways, the European Union is a better comparison, for illustrative purposes. In this case, it would be like a German preferring a German car to an Italian car. The Federation has a unified military, but not a unified culture. In particular, we know that the Vulcans still produce their own starships, as late as the end of the 24th Century (e.g. Spock's ship in the new Star Trek movie).

Spock's ship in the new Star Trek movie was actually a Ship created by, and owned by Geordi LaForge, until he gave it to the Vulcan science academy for the purpose of that mission.

[evan.is.weyoun]

We've heard rumors that the KDF will have access to Gorn and Nausicaan ships, but since Starfleet has never used vessels in their fleets other than standard Starfleet vessels, who knows. It would be damn cool to see Vulcan ships though, which are by far my favorite ships in Star Trek.

[Anichent]

We've heard rumors that the KDF will have access to Gorn and Nausicaan ships, but since Starfleet has never used vessels in their fleets other than standard Starfleet vessels, who knows. It would be damn cool to see Vulcan ships though, which are by far my favorite ships in Star Trek.

Well the difference is Starfleet is the military and exploratory arm of the Federation, a unified political body.
The KDF is the military arm of the Klingon Empire, and the Gorn and Orions/Nausicaans are just allies, not members of the Empire.

Therefore, Starfleet gets only Starfleet ships, but the Klingon faction may have ships from the Klingons and their allies.

[THORN74]

Well the difference is Starfleet is the military and exploratory arm of the Federation, a unified political body.
The KDF is the military arm of the Klingon Empire, and the Gorn and Orions/Nausicaans are just allies, not members of the Empire.

Therefore, Starfleet gets only Starfleet ships, but the Klingon faction may have ships from the Klingons and their allies.

yes the KDF is the military for the klingon empire, but in a true military all ships would be the property of the state. not so in KDF, the houses own /control some of the ships (actually the majority of the ships) and they dont always follow the orders of the high command. therefore i would call them a millitia.

its unclear at this point if the naussicans, orions, and gorn will be allies or subjects of the empire. in either case i dont see them being given command of a klingon ship and therefore i would suspect we will see more racial ships in the klingon portion of the game.

[Anichent]

yes the KDF is the military for the klingon empire, but in a true military all ships would be the property of the state. not so in KDF, the houses own /control some of the ships (actually the majority of the ships) and they dont always follow the orders of the high command. therefore i would call them a millitia.

its unclear at this point if the naussicans, orions, and gorn will be allies or subjects of the empire. in either case i dont see them being given command of a klingon ship and therefore i would suspect we will see more racial ships in the klingon portion of the game.

Whatever you call them, militia is still a form of military.
And I agree Gorn and Orion and Nausicaan should not be in command of Klingon ships....but I also think Cryptic will be allowing it due to "our reputation for customization"

[Levry]

Given the time of the game, I really don't think the Vulcans would have anything other then some minor ship types you see flying around the galaxy or possible some NPC ships used in some missions, etc.

[AchillesHeel]

Spock's ship in the new Star Trek movie was actually a Ship created by, and owned by Geordi LaForge, until he gave it to the Vulcan science academy for the purpose of that mission.
Oh, was it? Bad example, then.

yes the KDF is the military for the klingon empire, but in a true military all ships would be the property of the state. not so in KDF, the houses own /control some of the ships (actually the majority of the ships) and they dont always follow the orders of the high command. therefore i would call them a millitia.
That's not what a militia is. What you're describing - and I pretty much agree with your description of how the Klingon navy works - is a navy within a feudal political structure. The Klingon Empire probably also has a militia (or, even more probably, several militias) in addition to its regular armed forces. The thread's title made a similar mistake, in using the term "ship of the line" too loosely. That isn't a generic term, it's a particular kind of ship, from a particular era.

[Avenger_Dragon]

I don't see how cryptic would make ships for all these other races (both PC and NPC), yet skip a race so critical as the Vulcans. I'm certain they will be in the game, I'm just hoping that Cryptic might give us a peek!

You really want a sneek peek at the T'pau? it's pretty much a large shuttle... pointless to make a giant "to do" out of it.

The romulan ship is something one would expect to ruin someone's day, kinda important.

The type VII ship looks like a major fed-ship although it's not a traditional starfleet design.

I don't think the Vulcans HAVE Vulcan ships anymore outside of possibly civilian use. You won't and should never see a Vulcan style ship in Starfleet. They've really fully integrated into the Federation along with many other Federation members.

Yup. the vulcans only have minor ship and warp-shuttles because starfleet is their major military guardian.

It's only logical to downgrade your military when you are guarded by a greater force of which you are a major member.

[blujester]

I'm sure something as iconic as the "Spear through the Ring" Vulcan ships will be in the game. I'd bank on it. Now, as to flying one? I doubt it for 2 reasons. 1, It violates cannon in every sense. 2, Vulcans are passifist and their weapons are defensive in nature. It would be under gunned, under powered, and generaly useless for any thing more than a bus ride or a frieght hauler in uncontested space. I'm sure I remember mention in at least one of the shows of a Starfleet vessel maned intirely by Vulcans. So it follows, even the Vulcans wouldn't fly vulcan ships on starfleet missions.


Bj

[Banar]

There are no more Vulcan ships, just as there are no Andorian ships, Telerite ships, or Betazoid ships. Perhaps there are small commercial warp capable craft designed by those specific peoples. But any actual combat capable vessel will be a Starfleet design.

In the TNG Episode "Hero Worship" (Season 5 Episode 11) showed the SS Vico, an Oberth Class ship. Note that it is not a USS designation because it was not a Starfleet vessel, but a civilian science vessel designed by Starfleet. This goes to show that even civilian ships are standardized.

[Archangelwoghd]

There are no more Vulcan ships, just as there are no Andorian ships, Telerite ships, or Betazoid ships.

Please quote some official info that says this.

We have seen SEVERAL vulcan ships, why not more?