PC Gamer tweets their upcoming STO covers

[RogueEnterprise]

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Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y. Haha. Anyway, apologies if someone beat me to this.

[Antagonist]

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Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y. Haha. Anyway, apologies if someone beat me to this.

lol. bubes. anyway, i agree, i dont think some of those uniforms are standard issue. and that klingon chick looked pretty human...maybe a half breed...lol:D

[knightofhyrule730]

ahahahaha awesome. i wonder if we can customize how zipped up our uniforms are (guys and girls)

I'm glad to see PCG is focusing on STO again. from their previous articles, they seem really excited for it.

[Genex]

Aside from the Klingons, I have never seen a starfleet officer show that much boob, Even Sevens were covered up,
Trying to sex up star trek, Great(!)

[Loekii]

Not bad.

Looks like swimsuit issue run. LOL :p

[Commander_Nate]

Like Star Trek wasn't sexed up in the first place.

Anyway, blocked cuz I'm at work. Anybody know where else to check these out or do I have to wait a grueling hour until I get home?

[ByYourCommand]

Good god. If that's really how STO's uniforms are going to look ...

*sighfacepalm*

A big, big part of why Voyager and Enterprise sucked so royally was because they relied so heavily on sex to distract viewers from the fact that the plots had more holes than swiss cheese and the characters were neglected and unimaginative. Every other episode through Voyager's last four seasons was based around Seven of Nine -- and we all know what her outfit was like. Enterprise had that goddamn decon chamber; need I say more?

Look, Cryptic, if you really care -- STO is not in the mirror universe. Make the uniforms halfway respectable and maybe you'd actually draw people outside the range of boys aged 13-to-17. Concentrate on quality, for once, not this BS.

I'm saying this as a guy who's probably in their target age range: I would really, REALLY prefer a deep and enjoyable game over one where all the female aliens show off their ample cleavage.

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[Commander_Nate]

Good god. If that's really how STO's uniforms are going to look ...

*sighfacepalm*

A big, big part of why Voyager and Enterprise sucked so royally was because they relied so heavily on sex to distract viewers from the fact that the plots had more holes than swiss cheese and the characters were neglected and unimaginative. Every other episode through Voyager's last four seasons was based around Seven of Nine -- and we all know what her outfit was like. Enterprise had that goddamn decon chamber; need I say more?

Look, Cryptic, if you really care -- STO is not in the mirror universe. Make the uniforms halfway respectable and maybe you'd actually draw people outside the range of boys aged 13-to-17. Concentrate on quality, for once.

I'm saying this as a guy who's probably in their target age range: I would really, REALLY prefer a deep and enjoyable game over one where all the female aliens show off their ample cleavage.

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What if it had both? You could have your story and cleavage too!

[ByYourCommand]

What if it had both? You could have your story and cleavage too!

Well, that would be nice, but if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

My point is that, too often, you only get one or the other -- and it's usually the boobies, not the quality.

[RogueEnterprise]

A big, big part of why Voyager and Enterprise sucked so royally was because they relied so heavily on sex to distract viewers from the fact that the plots had more holes than swiss cheese and the characters were neglected and unimaginative. Every other episode through Voyager's last four seasons was based around Seven of Nine -- and we all know what her outfit was like. Enterprise had that goddamn decon chamber; need I say more?
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To be fair, TOS had a ton of hot alien women in it... probably pretty darn scandalous for it's time!

I think probably TNG/DS9 were the least "sexy" of the series.. but even those had Troi's deep-V "uniform", and the two girls kissing in that one ep of DS9 if I recall (though that was only once!).

That said, I do think that the uniforms here are a bit over the top sexy. But hey, if it fits the PC Gamer target audience... why not? They are all customizable anyway.

[Antagonist]

Well, that would be nice, but if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

My point is that, too often, you only get one or the other -- and it's usually the boobies, not the quality.

fortunately, you can choose your character's and crew-minions' uniforms....i might have one person named "Ensign eye-candy" who is wearing an 8 layer thick jacket that blocks any cleavage just for irony:D

[Musterion]

Reminds me of a certain version of .. Trek I saw once :p

[mwood1387]

Klingon women aren't strangers to cleavage. Pretty much any Klingon woman on the show seemed to be wearing a push-up. The starfleet women are dressed a little oddly though.. perhaps they're all on a secret mission to discover a hidden cardassian base and they're forced to seduce a smuggler to gain passage :confused:

[ByYourCommand]

To be fair, TOS had a ton of hot alien women in it... probably pretty darn scandalous for it's time!

I think probably TNG/DS9 were the least "sexy" of the series.. but even those had Troi's deep-V "uniform", and the two girls kissing in that one ep of DS9 if I recall (though that was only once!).

That said, I do think that the uniforms here are a bit over the top sexy. But hey, if it fits the PC Gamer target audience... why not? They are all customizable anyway.

TOS, in its time, was new and imaginative, and besides, it was pretty much just Kirk who was chasing the alien women. These magazine covers are just Cryptic being lame and falling into the usual trap of working too hard on image and not enough on actual substance.

TNG and DS9 might have been the "least sexy", but they were correspondingly the best and most enduring series. Most of both are just straight-up classic. Troi, sure, was the Seven of her time, but at least she was a multi-dimensional character whereas Seven was pretty much just a pin-up who was shoved in our faces every other episode (at least Kes was a character you could sympathize with).

Well, two women kissing in DS9 echoes the whole Kirk/Uhura interracial action in at least one episode of TOS -- but nowadays, racism isn't as big an issue as it was in the 60s, whereas homosexuality now receives more denigration and ridicule than racial background.


Sorry, back to topic. I just think these promotional images are symptoms of greater problems with games in general.

fortunately, you can choose your character's and crew-minions' uniforms....i might have one person named "Ensign eye-candy" who is wearing an 8 layer thick jacket that blocks any cleavage just for irony:D

Mmmm ... irony. At least I'd want my officers to look respectable, not like the skanks of the galaxy.

Capt. Jellico may have been a complete ass, but he did at least get Troi away from being a sex object.

[Angelphoenix12]

those are good thank you for showing them :)

[KirksOtherSon]

I'd bet you all a Tribble that the magazine covers are in-house creations of PC Gamer, not anything to do with Cryptic's design plans.

I can't really fault PC Gamer, either. When your reader demographic is largely young, straight, males, boobs sell issues.

Those who disapprove? Well, controversy sells issues too -- to those who want to see "what the fuss is all about".

Either way, PC Gamer makes money.

Is this kind of promo good for the game, though? Well, they say "any publicity is good publicity", although I do wonder what kind of dubious player might only consider playing STO after being "bribed by boobage".

Last laugh there, though, because (as I mentioned above) I'm almost certain the "sexy alien hawt chikkz" are more a product of PC Gamer's cover artist, than anything Cryptic has planned.

My opinions, anyway,

KOS

[Varrangian]

TOS, in its time, was new and imaginative, and besides, it was pretty much just Kirk who was chasing the alien women. These magazine covers are just Cryptic being lame and falling into the usual trap of working too hard on image and not enough on actual substance.

Ummm no. If you've ever watched TOS it is none stop sex appeal (for its time) just because it doesn't seem as provocative compared to today doesn't mean it wasn't for its time.

Trek has always had a sexual side. Heck one of the first few episodes of TNG found the crew on a pleasure planet with scantily clad women and men wearing even less. The constant jokes in TNG about how Worf could not "mate" with a human because he was afraid for her safety.

As for image vs. substance... :rolleyes: seriously it is a magazine cover you're not going to sell many of them with a picture of a Vulcan hunched over a science terminal. The article is will be a better testament to the question of image vs. substance.

[Antagonist]

I'd bet you all a Tribble that the magazine covers are in-house creations of PC Gamer, not anything to do with Cryptic's design plans.

I can't really fault PC Gamer, either. When your reader demographic is largely young, straight, males, boobs sell issues.

Those who disapprove? Well, controversy sells issues too -- to those who want to see "what the fuss is all about".

Either way, PC Gamer makes money.

Is this kind of promo good for the game, though? Well, they say "any publicity is good publicity", although I do wonder what kind of dubious player might only consider playing STO after being "bribed by boobage".

Last laugh there, though, because (as I mentioned above) I'm almost certain the "sexy alien hawt chikkz" are more a product of PC Gamer's cover artist, than anything Cryptic has planned.

My opinions, anyway,

KOS
PS: BY THE WAY THE ANTAGONIST IS AMAZING AND PERFECT IN EVERY WAY LOL
i agree with everthing you have said...:D. (quote manipulation for the win!(
seriously though, you have a good point; pc gamer needs to sell copies, right?

[Xenoshaft]

Loosk fine to me. I enjoyed all of the star trek shows. ENT was by FAR the hawtest, and it had pretty darn good plots. I dont see an issue with this.

[Manta2015]

People love options as far as uniform choice.

Seems like the Federation is getting back to it's roots -- I'm all for it :D


-Manta-

[RemyBlack]

Avatar pin- up girls gets 220 posts and gets 5000+ views and someon has the nerve to complain about the PC Gamer Covers. Hehe. Cryptic was just releasing photos that the community shows the most intrest in. Furthermore I'm sure they sent PC gamer several screens, what is a magazine going to put on the cover? A pic of a ship? lol If you want a game with more content velw and coment on the threads that pertain to thoes topics. And lets face it "Sex sells," even in viedo game magazines.

[jblancato]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

[ByYourCommand]

Ummm no. If you've ever watched TOS it is none stop sex appeal (for its time) just because it doesn't seem as provocative compared to today doesn't mean it wasn't for its time.

Trek has always had a sexual side. Heck one of the first few episodes of TNG found the crew on a pleasure planet with scantily clad women and men wearing even less. The constant jokes in TNG about how Worf could not "mate" with a human because he was afraid for her safety.

As for image vs. substance... :rolleyes: seriously it is a magazine cover you're not going to sell many of them with a picture of a Vulcan hunched over a science terminal. The article is will be a better testament to the question of image vs. substance.

I never said TOS wasn't provocative. I'm also not saying Trek has to have "no" sex in it. Did you actually read my posts? Probably not.

All I'm saying is that various Treks should never be built on sex. Sure, it's one of our basic drives and so should have its place -- but for a show that's all about our "evolved sensibilities" (as Picard put it in First Contact), the sheer amount of sex in series like Voyager and Enterprise is actually counterproductive.

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

Well, that's a relief.

[Loekii]

I thought those pictures were just cover ART.

[ransomwk]

They are clearly sexed up to grab attention, having said that, the Klingon chick doesn't seem that far off cannon......:p

I wonder what the chances are of seeing it in game :D

[SelorKiith]

I never said TOS wasn't provocative. I'm also not saying Trek has to have "no" sex in it. Did you actually read my posts? Probably not.

All I'm saying is that various Treks should never be built on sex. Sure, it's one of our basic drives and so should have its place -- but for a show that's all about our "evolved sensibilities" (as Picard put it in First Contact), the sheer amount of sex in series like Voyager and Enterprise is actually counterproductive.



Well, that's a relief.

Wait wait wait!
"Evolved Sensibilities" don't have anything to do with hot women in scanty... urhm Uniforms!
I think you need a BIIIIIIG Hot Cup of humour and fun and far less of this too coffeinated Seriousness ;)
And the Show is not about the evolved whatever... it was just this movies sub-theme ;)
Anything else was either Western in Space, Apocalypse Now in Space or some fancy french "high art" show, Gilligans Island in Space or rather the Flintstones in Space :) But it is always funny to see people "heighten" the show to some kind of High Art and Philosophical course, just because Picard did a "Tell you the Ethics" in a couple of episodes ;)

And for God's Sake... that Vulcan is just TOO hot... *drool*

[maltzenburgerz]

Ya'll can debate the covers all you want, I'm just glad we're getting another STO issue, woot! XD

[Irislynn]

Ok...while I am still excited for the game, these covers disappoint me for a few reasons.
1. The fact that they created all of these in-house means that the Cryptic team thought a bunch of girls with low cut shirts were all great ideas. Stereotypic and pretty lame, in my opinion.
2. "We did it because that's what other people were doing" is not a valid excuse.
3. This is the series that I really began to like because they had a kick ass woman captain, and its sad that Cryptic has turned it into something like this for the sake of drawing the attention of some oversexed 12 year-old boy in the video game store.

I know that girls are a minority in the Star Trek fan base, and marketing the game like this is just a way to ensure that it stays that way.

Look, I still want to play the game, but mostly because I believe that these covers are not representative of what the game is shooting for.

[ByYourCommand]

Wait wait wait!
"Evolved Sensibilities" don't have anything to do with hot women in scanty... urhm Uniforms!
I think you need a BIIIIIIG Hot Cup of humour and fun and far less of this too coffeinated Seriousness ;)
And the Show is not about the evolved whatever... it was just this movies sub-theme ;)
Anything else was either Western in Space, Apocalypse Now in Space or some fancy french "high art" show, Gilligans Island in Space or rather the Flintstones in Space :) But it is always funny to see people "heighten" the show to some kind of High Art and Philosophical course, just because Picard did a "Tell you the Ethics" speech now and then ;)

And for God's Sake... that Vulcan is just TOO hot... *drool*

Dude, I dropped it once Rekhan made it clear those aren't standard-issue, but I stand by what I said and I agree with Irislynn's points above: it's stereotypical, lame, exploitive, demeaning to women, and flat-out juvenile. While I'm not impressed in the slightest, I'm done for now.

[SelorKiith]

The Main part of my post was just against this "Star Trek is and only should be High Art" approach ;)
The first part was just for the sake of beeing funny :P

[ByYourCommand]

The Main part of my post was just against this "Star Trek is and only should be High Art" approach ;)
The first part was just for the sake of beeing funny :P

And as I've said before, I don't think sex "shouldn't exist" in Trek, I just don't want it shoved in my face at every turn like Seven on Voyager or the Decon Chamber in Enterprise. Enough, already.

If Cryptic wants their entire audience to be teenage boys, there's nothing I can do about it -- I just wish that weren't the case.

[Commander_Nate]

Well clearly the two Starfleet ladies were still in the process of getting dressed for duty and got barged in on by some reporter. Not their fault...

[Greenomen]

Oh I sure hope the uniforms are optional. :D


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[alucard1]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

What I want to know is...

Why no sexeh men on the covers?? hmmmmm? ;)

Saith

[bothan]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

The cake is a lie! :eek:

[Voyager24]

Pretty cool i'll have to check these out towards the end of the month.

[JoJimGregory]

Clearly an over-sexed exploitation of female stereotypes meant to appeal to the male libido.

More please.

[thefrayl]

3. This is the series that I really began to like because they had a kick ass woman captain, and its sad that Cryptic has turned it into something like this for the sake of drawing the attention of some oversexed 12 year-old boy in the video game store.

I know that girls are a minority in the Star Trek fan base, and marketing the game like this is just a way to ensure that it stays that way.

Look, I still want to play the game, but mostly because I believe that these covers are not representative of what the game is shooting for.

I have one question for you to ponder: Since when it this new to the Star Trek universe?

EDIT: I realize that the "uniforms" are definately not regulation, and I'm not insinuating that they be that in the game, but sex is not new to Trek by any means.

[Musterion]

What I want to know is...

Why no sexeh men on the covers?? hmmmmm? ;)

Saith

I know of someone (http://www.celebritypuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/cp-shatner2a.jpg) who's probably offended he's not on the cover :(

[danubus]

Thank God those aren't the real uniforms

[Galv]

I know of someone (http://www.celebritypuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/cp-shatner2a.jpg) who's probably offended he's not on the cover :(

Brilliant, very funny.

[marscentral]

I like those uniforms and wouldn't mind the option to let my officers open their uniform a little, as long as my Captain can show some of his hunky green chest too.

[KirksOtherSon]

Ummm no. If you've ever watched TOS it is non stop sex appeal (for its time) just because it doesn't seem as provocative compared to today doesn't mean it wasn't for its time.

What he said. Those ultra-short skirts verged on the scandalous, and costumer William Ware Theiss' tendency to costume guest-star women in as little as he could get away with was infamous.

At least Theiss genuinely wanted to make the women look beautiful, as well as sexy, instead of like pole-dancers (yes I'm looking at your outfit, Sixty-of-Nine!)

If you can find a copy of the book "The Making of Star Trek", a lot of production memos and correspondence are included. It gives you a very good idea of just how risque original Trek was considered in its time.

The network suits made such a fuss over the Jim Kirk's "open-mouthed kissing" that Roddenberry and the production team started running jokes about it in their own memos -- signing off with "Oh, and NO OPEN MOUTHED KISSING!" and such-like. :D

KOS

[marscentral]

I'm trying to remember the exact lines from Trials and Tribblations, when they explain the uniforms to Julian, but it's something like:

Sisko: Back then, command wore gold, engineers and security wore red...

Jadzia: ..and women wore less.

It's very much Roddenberry's vision of Trek to be sexy.

[billybob442]

What he said. Those ultra-short skirts verged on the scandalous, and costumer William Ware Theiss' tendency to costume guest-star women in as little as he could get away with was infamous.

At least Theiss genuinely wanted to make the women look beautiful, as well as sexy, instead of like pole-dancers (yes I'm looking at your outfit, Sixty-of-Nine!)

If you can find a copy of the book "The Making of Star Trek", a lot of production memos and correspondence are included. It gives you a very good idea of just how risque original Trek was considered in its time.

The network suits made such a fuss over the Jim Kirk's "open-mouthed kissing" that Roddenberry and the production team started running jokes about it in their own memos -- signing off with "Oh, and NO OPEN MOUTHED KISSING!" and such-like. :D

KOS

In the original pilot women wore pretty much the same as the men - boots, trousers, and solid colored shirts. And everyone added jackets on the away mission - as demonstrated here (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8t59jorH2DM/SU2KTObx1VI/AAAAAAAADos/5PJZLVQDDXw/s400/Majel+Barret,+ST+Pilot,+The+Cage.jpg) and here (http://www.fresnofamous.com/files/Spock%20+%20Lieutenant%20Jose%20Tyler_Pilot.jpg). Sort of a cross between the maroon movie uniforms and DS9.

I was lead to believe it was the studio that told Rodenberry he had to loose the jackets and have the ladies drop their pants. :eek:

In any event the uniforms on those covers are not that different from the new designs ... though either these ladies are greatly mistaken about their dress sizes or there was a bad mishap in the laundry.

[RetroX]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

They best get in game, if you made them we want them!:P (I think I would even buy these as MT.) I would so make USS. PornBarron

I don't see problem I think it looks awesome, hopefully another great article about the game to!

[Tibilicus127]

STO made the front page? Nice!

[IanD967]

wow....so many complaints about 3 female's uniforms being unzipped in a very good way :eek: you weirdo's haha

my fav out of them 3: the Vulcan

[ZeframCochrane]

Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y..

Yes it does my friend, yes it does.;)

[SelorKiith]

I think this thread is the perfect example why so much think we Trekkies live down in the Basement of our Parents Homes... :D
So much "WOAH BREASTS! BURN THEM!"... ^^

[IIntrude]

I like the magazine covers, they will definitely sell copies and that is what is important. More mags sold will hopefully translate into more game copies being sold. That being said the Klingon uniform is closest to "game acceptable" in my book.

I don't want to run around in STO and see Star Trek Playmates bouncing around everywhere, but then again, this is Star Trek and if you don't like some sexytime then you picked the wrong Sci-Fi to enjoy. :D Trek has always had a heavy dose of sexy injected into it from the beginning.

Do I hope we can alter our uniforms to be like those, no. Do I hope that occasionally we run across characters in the game who dress like that, yes. That is only being true to Trek.

[curtst]

Thanks for the links, I shall be keeping a look out for the next PCG magazine then!!!

[boz75]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

Who do I complain to please? lol

Seriously, more than anything they look cool and yes they can be classed as sexy but they're hardly pornographic or degrading.

[Than]

Ok...while I am still excited for the game, these covers disappoint me for a few reasons.
1. The fact that they created all of these in-house means that the Cryptic team thought a bunch of girls with low cut shirts were all great ideas. Stereotypic and pretty lame, in my opinion.
2. "We did it because that's what other people were doing" is not a valid excuse.
3. This is the series that I really began to like because they had a kick ass woman captain, and its sad that Cryptic has turned it into something like this for the sake of drawing the attention of some oversexed 12 year-old boy in the video game store.

I know that girls are a minority in the Star Trek fan base, and marketing the game like this is just a way to ensure that it stays that way.

Look, I still want to play the game, but mostly because I believe that these covers are not representative of what the game is shooting for.

Well the sad truth is that the developement is not meant to please those with that can show selfcontrol even though exposed to a nipple.
What it is there for is for people who have no interest in the IP or what ST is all about, what this is about is if someone at Atari or more can buy the newest model of mecedes or whatever the fancy is or not.
This is about MONEY, just like everything else, hence it will have plastic boobs, it will try to sell on sex appeal and yes in the end the IP will be even more a joke now then it ever was.

Finally yes i know this sounds negative..but we live in a world where "free" echonomic rules and thus you better get used to everything is turned to **** for the sake of selling, PC gamer put a "babe" on the front because they know horny teens would buy it so they can drool over it, not because it has substance or anything else.
Meh my 2 cent on the subject anyway

[Varrangian]

Well the sad truth is that the developement is not meant to please those with that can show selfcontrol even though exposed to a nipple.
What it is there for is for people who have no interest in the IP or what ST is all about, what this is about is if someone at Atari or more can buy the newest model of mecedes or whatever the fancy is or not.
This is about MONEY, just like everything else, hence it will have plastic boobs, it will try to sell on sex appeal and yes in the end the IP will be even more a joke now then it ever was.

Finally yes i know this sounds negative..but we live in a world where "free" echonomic rules and thus you better get used to everything is turned to **** for the sake of selling, PC gamer put a "babe" on the front because they know horny teens would buy it so they can drool over it, not because it has substance or anything else.
Meh my 2 cent on the subject anyway

Now see here I have some issues. Magazine covers are always "sexy" in one form or another. Even National Geographic, the Economist and Scientific America (the three I subscribe to) sell with "sexy". This doesn't mean they use human sexuality. Rather they design a cover that draws the customer in, with fantastic images of Patagonia, or Hubble images that delight. A magazine cover has to compete with the "active" imagery of Television and the Internet.

As I stated before, no one even the people complaining would buy the magazine if it were a boring looking image of a Vulcan hunched over a science terminal. The Star Trek IP has never been about boredom, yes there is a bunch of pseudoscience, but never once did the show revolve around Spock sitting for hours working on an experiment.

Roddenberry recognized that Trek was entertainment and treated it as such. When we start making our entertainment (this goes for all entertainment) into something we worship, we walk a dangerous slope.

[Vmann2485]

Good god. If that's really how STO's uniforms are going to look ...

*sighfacepalm*

A big, big part of why Voyager and Enterprise sucked so royally was because they relied so heavily on sex to distract viewers from the fact that the plots had more holes than swiss cheese and the characters were neglected and unimaginative. Every other episode through Voyager's last four seasons was based around Seven of Nine -- and we all know what her outfit was like. Enterprise had that goddamn decon chamber; need I say more?

Look, Cryptic, if you really care -- STO is not in the mirror universe. Make the uniforms halfway respectable and maybe you'd actually draw people outside the range of boys aged 13-to-17. Concentrate on quality, for once, not this BS.

I'm saying this as a guy who's probably in their target age range: I would really, REALLY prefer a deep and enjoyable game over one where all the female aliens show off their ample cleavage.

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why was everyone hating on voyager. enterprise first wo seasons were okay(last two admitadly sucked but voyager i thought was a good show stop blaming it for the fall and janeway was an awesome captain i mean nobody beats picard but overall i think the series wee great

[Than]

Now see here I have some issues. Magazine covers are always "sexy" in one form or another. Even National Geographic, the Economist and Scientific America (the three I subscribe to) sell with "sexy". This doesn't mean they use human sexuality. Rather they design a cover that draws the customer in, with fantastic images of Patagonia, or Hubble images that delight. A magazine cover has to compete with the "active" imagery of Television and the Internet.

As I stated before, no one even the people complaining would buy the magazine if it were a boring looking image of a Vulcan hunched over a science terminal. The Star Trek IP has never been about boredom, yes there is a bunch of pseudoscience, but never once did the show revolve around Spock sitting for hours working on an experiment.

Roddenberry recognized that Trek was entertainment and treated it as such. When we start making our entertainment (this goes for all entertainment) into something we worship, we walk a dangerous slope.

you are are correct and that was sort of what i was saying.
In a way i an getting tierd of seeing "sex" used for selling everything from bikinies to a layer 3 router (yes i have seen adds in magizines using naked women to sell this, thos those who have no idea what this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Layer_3:_Network_Layer )

What this does is to just cheapify the product, it is like tvshop...it dont matter if it works, if was on tvshop it is a **** product due the reputation it has.

[Isengardtom]

the best starfleet uniforms I've ever seen :D

[Varrangian]

you are are correct and that was sort of what i was saying.
In a way i an getting tierd of seeing "sex" used for selling everything from bikinies to a layer 3 router (yes i have seen adds in magizines using naked women to sell this, thos those who have no idea what this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Layer_3:_Network_Layer )

What this does is to just cheapify the product, it is like tvshop...it dont matter if it works, if was on tvshop it is a **** product due the reputation it has.

Perhaps because I spend my time reading history (I'm a historian), I see things differently. If I read you correctly you perceive it that sex has encroached more and more into the selling of products. From my exploration of the subject, sex has always been central to sales, it is simply the norms of how much sex appeal was accepted that have changed. We currently see a half naked woman and don't really bat an eye lash at it, this would not have been the case in the 50's, but there was a rather phallic nature to the advertisements for that time. In the 18th century both sex toy and contraceptives were regularly advertised in catalogs and magazines by alluding to commonly known sexual jokes. In fact, Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanack was filled with such jokes.

I think that perhaps the greater problem is that in the US specifically the sex has been dichotomized into something dirty or sinful on the one hand and into a hedonistic delight on the other, with very little room for anything in between. What I'm saying is the problem is that that sex is selling, but that sex is only allowed to sell and not be viewed in other lights.

[IIntrude]

Compared to established Star Trek Canon (Orion Slave Girls, Risa, Leeta, Tu'pal, 7 of 9, Duras Sisters, and numerous other examples) these covers are tame. They are simply trying to move magazines and ramp up interest in the game. Win win, no matter how you look at it. Just sit back, enjoy the view and remember that Trek is about fun.

[Than]

Perhaps because I spend my time reading history (I'm a historian), I see things differently. If I read you correctly you perceive it that sex has encroached more and more into the selling of products. From my exploration of the subject, sex has always been central to sales, it is simply the norms of how much sex appeal was accepted that have changed. We currently see a half naked woman and don't really bat an eye lash at it, this would not have been the case in the 50's, but there was a rather phallic nature to the advertisements for that time. In the 18th century both sex toy and contraceptives were regularly advertised in catalogs and magazines by alluding to commonly known sexual jokes. In fact, Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanack was filled with such jokes.

I think that perhaps the greater problem is that in the US specifically the sex has been dichotomized into something dirty or sinful on the one hand and into a hedonistic delight on the other, with very little room for anything in between. What I'm saying is the problem is that that sex is selling, but that sex is only allowed to sell and not be viewed in other lights.

It is valid view yes as in essence sex or its craft have been used for marketing long before i was born and will be used for xxx years to come.
And to the comment about US speficially..spot on id say. Though i am not a US citizen, but i dont have to be to see that.

So id say we in essence agree, we might just have different view of what makes it tacky or not :)
As i think adding "sex" to a product makes it cheap, it becomes a desperate way of selling, but that is my view.
However while on the topic it is not actually the sex in question here, nor is it sex objects, it is from the desperation of selling a product.
Now that is a topic for another discussion id say.

Anyway it will be used now, and for all times to come for sale, that is just how our world is. Though i dont have to like it.

[Darksplinter]

mmm..My sub ran out on PC Gamer but def going to pick up this issue :D

[Varrangian]

It is valid view yes as in essence sex or its craft have been used for marketing long before i was born and will be used for xxx years to come.
And to the comment about US speficially..spot on id say. Though i am not a US citizen, but i dont have to be to see that.

So id say we in essence agree, we might just have different view of what makes it tacky or not :)
As i think adding "sex" to a product makes it cheap, it becomes a desperate way of selling, but that is my view.
However while on the topic it is not actually the sex in question here, nor is it sex objects, it is from the desperation of selling a product.
Now that is a topic for another discussion id say.

Anyway it will be used now, and for all times to come for sale, that is just how our world is. Though i dont have to like it.

I hope it didn't come off as me asking anyone to like the ads. Mostly I just don't fault Cryptic/PC Gamer for doing what they've done.

As for the US, yeah that's been my experience. While sex still sells in Europe (I lived in Scotland and I've spent some time in Hungary and Russia) there seems to be a slightly different approach when it is something being marketed in Europe by Europeans. I can't speak for other parts of the world at all though.

[Than]

I hope it didn't come off as me asking anyone to like the ads. Mostly I just don't fault Cryptic/PC Gamer for doing what they've done.

As for the US, yeah that's been my experience. While sex still sells in Europe (I lived in Scotland and I've spent some time in Hungary and Russia) there seems to be a slightly different approach when it is something being marketed in Europe by Europeans. I can't speak for other parts of the world at all though.

Well i have to admit it could look like it, however as you said i do agree also as at the end of the day that is how things are.

[Starshelle]

As a woman and a future STO player, I just want to know when we're going to get our sexy photos with a Vulcan male, exotic alien guy, and suave, muscular Klingon. Personally though, instead of a blue skinned alien, I'd recommend they put in a male Cardassian. There was something about the Cardassians such as Garak, Gul Dukat, and Damar that made my heart go aflutter! LOL

By the way, I don't find the photos demeaning as a woman. I don't see anything wrong with men appreciating the female form, and these pictures are down right tame compared to most the stuff you see these days. Sexy sells, so I can hardly blame them for using that to promote the game. If the uniforms were required to look like that in game I would have objections, but dev said that wasn't the case, so no issue for this woman here (except for the PC Gamer issue which I might pick up!).

[Varrangian]

As a woman and a future STO player, I just want to know when we're going to get our sexy photos with a Vulcan male, exotic alien guy, and suave, muscular Klingon. Personally though, instead of a blue skinned alien, I'd recommend they put in a male Cardassian. There was something about the Cardassians such as Garak, Gul Dukat, and Damar that made my heart go aflutter! LOL

hahaha never heard that about the Cardassians :p I think it would be great if they did something like that, sadly I don't see PC gamer going for it.

[Loekii]

3. This is the series that I really began to like because they had a kick ass woman captain, and its sad that Cryptic has turned it into something like this for the sake of drawing the attention of some oversexed 12 year-old boy in the video game store.



Well it the PR department is listening, this presents an opportunity to make sure that they present some 'women in power positions' in future media.

As you pointed out, these covers reinforce the old stereotypes, and move backwards from say Voyage, etc.

Unless there is a reason that a media piece calls for a male, they could intentionally frame it with strong female figures, to balance it out, and move away from the sex object stereotype.

[carnagefiend]

I agree with the scattered comments about this thread on the equality of Star Trek.

To say I was disappointed is perhaps putting it lightly. Indeed, where are the hunky guys? Where's the open shirt men?

While males may dominate the Star Trek and video game fandom, where's the attempts to reach out to women? I know my own mother loved the original series, but she really liked the handsome guys there. Don't forget you have a whole demographic that's being explicitly ignored here.

Let's not forget that the original series even stripped down its male stars *yeow*. I demand more men!

[Darksplinter]

Where are the sexxy Romulan Women....rawr.

[IIntrude]

Who will be the 1st to create a Kirk/Riker-esque Captain, surrounded by an all Orion Slave Girl crew? I want to PvP against that person, they will be "preoccupied."

[RogueEnterprise]

I think the most interesting issue here is whether these types of "open" uniforms will be available in the real game... or if they were just created exclusively for these covers.

As for my opinion... yeah, I suppose it's unfortunate that the modern Trek uniform can apparently be sexed up like this, but hey, sex does sell. And assuming the uniforms are customizable, what does it matter for your own experience? I mean, unless you're lounging at a friendly starbase and that green-skinned captain of the U.S.S. Odysseus saunters by in that scandalous duty uniform again...

[Atomicbridie]

Had lots of folks talk about the cover. But any info on anything inside. I have come to love when PC gamer does one of its preview reports. They had one about the new star wars online game that was a good read, so hopefully STO gets the same treatment.

[boz75]

Had lots of folks talk about the cover. But any info on anything inside. I have come to love when PC gamer does one of its preview reports. They had one about the new star wars online game that was a good read, so hopefully STO gets the same treatment.

who cares? have you seen the cover pmsl :D

I missed the Star Wars preview, but definitely not gonna miss this one... and yes it is for the content lol.

[boz75]

Oh hang on a sec - I wonder if the UK gets this copy of the mag aswell? This is for the US I bet?

Will have to check out local ASDA!

[Klaleara]

I wish I could use these outfits!

[.Spartan]

Where are the sexxy Romulan Women....rawr.

[thinks of Ambassador Caithlin Dar]

No doubt! What could be better than a bevy of such creatures on one's bridge? I think nothing short of such in ones quarters - nightly!



Shoot they even make Klingon women look attractive when mixed! Case in point Ba'el.

:D

[Esgar]

Is there any way we can trade in the 'Art deco' set in the subscription deals for these? :P

[Powercrisis]

If those are the uniforms, I'm hella buying this game. All of you who say you want this game to be full of reverence and respect need to grow up. If there is an option to make your crew look more covered up, thats one thing, but its a game, not a holy book. Boobs are boobs, most men enjoy them, why not enjoy them while playing?

[Kinneas]

~Hot in the city...hot in the city, tonight!~ --Billy Idol

[Tarrin01]

wow a Klingon woman who is sexy by our standards ( and b'lana tores was 1/2 klingon so u cant use her against me ) :D

[Zepath]

Not bad.

Looks like swimsuit issue run. LOL :p

LOL! I thought the same thing ... and I don't think it was unintentional. Just lost on some folks.

[Powercrisis]

wow a Klingon woman who is sexy by our standards ( and b'lana tores was 1/2 klingon so u cant use her against me ) :D

Heh, love that userpic...

[Isengardtom]

Is this going to be the same article as in the UK version or a new one?

[RabbiBoker]

http://twitpic.com/d2wk0

http://twitpic.com/d2vp9

http://twitpic.com/d2xx7

Catch up with PC Gamer at @pcgamer on Twitter. Supposedly this issue comes out on Aug 18th.

Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y. Haha. Anyway, apologies if someone beat me to this.

awesome, i'll be sure to pick that up when it comes out

[Nasedo]

awesome, i'll be sure to pick that up when it comes out

i want to buy all of them and take them to the bathroom :)

[USS_Parallax]

i want to buy all of them and take them to the bathroom :)

You hate them so much that you're going to use it as toilet paper? That goes too far!

[Tirus]

It’s the latest bridge officer skill...how far down will your bridge officer’s zipper descend.

[Isengardtom]

it's the special ability : stun your enemies for 10 seconds

[billybob442]

it's the special ability : stun your enemies for 10 seconds
Don't green skinned women get that as a racial ability?

What's funny is that if they wanted to go sexy could of gone with an Orion lady.

[KL0k]

anyeone else think that the vulcan cover looks a bit like t'pol? bodywise?

[Gizmo]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

You mean my Vulcan Bridge Officers can't look like that? *sniffle*
lol, I'll be picking up at least one copy of that issue. Hopefully some new info in there.

[buckeyestar]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

QI'yaH! Silly Federation dress codes. :p

[Rekkert]

"This outfit is illogical (http://pcgamer.com/covers/PCG_CVR.jpg)", I love it!

[maltzenburgerz]

Could you plz re-do your URL? :'(


Edit: Nevermind, I see u fixed it. :p X-P

[Nasedo]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

my dreams and hopes gone.... :(

[gmbosko1]

Maybe she's not entirely Vulcan...

...or was a Vulcan raised by humans. That's it!

[Corvak]

I think exaggerated boobies is inevitable when designing a magazine cover. Especially since 70% or more of their readership are male, between 15-35.

[jevonski]

I have to say they have a damn good artist for a start and its good to see STO getting the front page as well.

[jfolds1]

mmm.... so just how good are the physics in startrek online? like.. will my T'pol look alike science officer have... bounce?

:D

[Grey2ham]

Just to ask a quick question:
Is that the PCG US?
As PCG UK ran a Kane (C&C 4) cover but had a STO preview last month...

[Greenomen]

Just saw this on twitter.

PC gamer covers (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3390527&id=6738073078&ref=mf)


Live long and conquer.

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[Rekkert]

Just to ask a quick question:
Is that the PCG US?
Yes, I think so.

They've just posted the 4 covers and a new contest to win a beta key in their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3390527&id=6738073078&ref=mf)!

[Commander_Nate]

Someone already posted these a few days ago. But thanks for reminding us!

[HittingSmoke]

Sorry if it's been asked but don't have time to read 11 pages right now. Does anyone have a pic of the rumored 4th cover pic that was available to subscribers only?

[Tribbler]

those are good thank you for showing them :)

Are you telling RogueEnterprise for giving us the link? Or are you telling PC Gamer about the nice pics? :D

[Yaggaz]

Like Star Trek wasn't sexed up in the first place.



Correct, it wasn't. Except for that new vomit inducing movie by Abrams.

[dryzabone]

Correct, it wasn't. Except for that new vomit inducing movie by Abrams.

Movie was fine man, what are you talking about?

[SenatorPardek]

http://twitpic.com/d2wk0

http://twitpic.com/d2vp9

http://twitpic.com/d2xx7

Catch up with PC Gamer at @pcgamer on Twitter. Supposedly this issue comes out on Aug 18th.

Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y. Haha. Anyway, apologies if someone beat me to this.

Oh man, so beautiful. Nothing wrong with Star Trek and Pretty girls, nothing at all.

[nean800]

Those uniforms aren't standard regulation in our game; don't worry. (Or sorry, depending on what you think about them :p). We created them in-house, because it's a magazine and that's what people on magazine covers dress like most of the time.

Rekhan, do you HAVE to look at the top shelf?

[Dr._Sskarno]

I bought the PC Gamer issue and read the article. I was bored and disappointed. It was all combat, all the time. Yes I know action sells for most players but I was hoping for some details on the REST of the game. All MMOs have action, we know that, but if there isnt anything else WHY would I leave my friends in my current MMO to play STO? STAR TREK is about exploration, and for that reason I hoped it would offer me a chance to do something besides combat 24/7. Unfortunately, all the info that has been released so far about the game makes it sound like a generic sci-fi shooter in TREK uniforms. For many players thats all they want, but for some like me its VITAL to know we have something else to look forward to. Otherwise, I and others like me are wasting our time here... sorry to rant but

[Dr._Sskarno]

I bought the PC Gamer issue and read the article. I was bored and disappointed. It was all combat, all the time. Yes I know action sells for most players but I was hoping for some details on the REST of the game. All MMOs have action, we know that, but if there isnt anything else WHY would I leave my friends in my current MMO to play STO? STAR TREK is about exploration, and for that reason I hoped it would offer me a chance to do something besides combat 24/7. Unfortunately, all the info that has been released so far about the game makes it sound like a generic sci-fi shooter in TREK uniforms. For many players thats all they want, but for some like me its VITAL to know we have something else to look forward to. Otherwise, I and others like me are wasting our time here... sorry to rant but I am losing excitement for this game.

[Zael]

hahahaha, nice.

I agree with the op on the characters and I quote my avatar.

[Dominick-Kane]

Only trekkies would complain about cleavage

[andrewprofit]

http://twitpic.com/d2wk0

http://twitpic.com/d2vp9

http://twitpic.com/d2xx7

Catch up with PC Gamer at @pcgamer on Twitter. Supposedly this issue comes out on Aug 18th.

Discuss! In my opinion it all seems very cleavage-y. Haha. Anyway, apologies if someone beat me to this.

Is that from ingame? I sure hope so.

[billybob442]

I see that Starfleet has started borrowing uniform designs for women from Galaxy Quest (http://wpsmedia.latimes.com/image/backlot/2008/5/1/Sigourney_Weaver_web_journa/Sigourney_Weaver_web_journa-large.jpg).

Or is this just the ladies' version of Kirk loosing half his shirt every third episode?
:D

[shadowmimiiru]

Judging from the pictures I saw of the characters in game the uniforms will not have exposed cleavage (at least for Federation, the Klingons better have it).

Anyway, I have already framed the starship poster that came with the issue.