Next Torpedo?

[tpolspock23]

I was wondering if anyone what the torpedo after would be. My guess is its called transphotonic.:confused:

[Varrangian]

I was wondering if anyone what the torpedo after would be. My guess is its called transphotonic.:confused:

"The torpedo After" sounds like a bad 60's Second World War movie about a Navy man and his love for torpedoes.

[overlordthor]

Well, photon torpedoes were in service for hundreds of years before being outdone by Quantum Torpedoes, before it was just continual updates o the Photon Torpedo, before quantum torpedo tech was developed to Quantum Torpedoes might just be getting into their prime at this point.

The newer torpedo (Transphasic) I'm hoping will not be much of an impact, maybe just a weapon to keep the borg from adapting to your torpedo system, but not a all powerful weapon(same damage as Quantum, or photon, just unable to adapt). Or not exist at all.

[tpolspock23]

Well, photon torpedoes were in service for hundreds of years before being outdone by Quantum Torpedoes, before it was just continual updates o the Photon Torpedo, before quantum torpedo tech was developed to Quantum Torpedoes might just be getting into their prime at this point.

The newer torpedo (Transphasic) I'm hoping will not be much of an impact, maybe just a weapon to keep the borg from adapting to your torpedo system, but not a all powerful weapon(same damage as Quantum, or photon, just unable to adapt). Or not exist at all.

There I'm confused, transphasic is just for some federation doomsday weapon (1 or 2 can destroy a borg cube) so maybe next 1 or 2 centuries they'll use those, or something new. Or maybe in Star Trek, protons are stronger than quantums.

[overlordthor]

There I'm confused, transphasic is just for some federation doomsday weapon (1 or 2 can destroy a borg cube) so maybe next 1 or 2 centuries they'll use those, or something new.

Yeah, I'm hoping they wont be around, but maybe the basic tech is and is just an anti-borg tech, because I think the idea is that its energy is released in many different ways that the borg cant adapt to it.

Clarification: It is broadcast along many different phases.

[tpolspock23]

Yeah, I'm hoping they wont be around, but maybe the basic tech is and is just an anti-borg tech, because I think the idea is that its energy is released in many different ways that the borg cant adapt to it.

Well, I thought it was too bad that it doesn't really effect ships like Romulan or Cardassian ships. I thought it was a refit for phasic torpedoes (first torpedo late 21st century and early 22nd)

[tpolspock23]

"The torpedo After" sounds like a bad 60's Second World War movie about a Navy man and his love for torpedoes.

I:rolleyes: I meant after transphasic.:D

[Ajacat]

I think that the next torpedo could be trilithium, antimatter, plasma, an enhanced quantum torpedo, or maybe even stolen borg enhanced quantums.

[maltzenburgerz]

There I'm confused, transphasic is just for some federation doomsday weapon (1 or 2 can destroy a borg cube) so maybe next 1 or 2 centuries they'll use those, or something new. Or maybe in Star Trek, protons are stronger than quantums.


"You WILL give me the secret of the 'Genesis Torpedo!'"


Sorry, couldn't resist! :p

[JadenStriker]

Perhaps half the reason why it worked so well against the Borg isn't a sheer power issue. The prefix "Trans" can be a clue as to how it works and why it worked so well. The word phase is also a clue, because with electronic system, current and voltage phase angles come into play as well as power transmission lines, having 1 phase or 3 phase power, and 3 phase power is usually a setup where the power lines transmit AC power at 3 different angles, or 3 different starting points of the wave form.

If any of that makes since to you, I don't know. Maybe someone else majored in electronic and electrical systems.

But it may not be sheer power that made them work so well. It maybe the finer points of how the power of those torpedo's where made to attack with that made them work so well against the Borg. The power of the torpedo's changed it's form so much so quickly, that the Borg simply could not adapt fast enough, and ripped the Borg ship to shreds.

To try anf figure out how this would be accomplished, theoretically, a long geeky discussion of particle physics and untested theoretical particle physics, that would go over so many peoples heads, would get started.

Voltage
Current
Capacitance
Inductance
Wattage
Phase Angle
Alpha Decay
Beta Decay
Gamma Decay
Gravity
Electrical Force
Magnetic Force
Nuclear Weak Force
Nuclear Stronger Force
Polarized light angle
Frequency
Particle Density

Getting an idea of what you would be facing?

[HittingSmoke]

"The torpedo After" sounds like a bad 60's Second World War movie about a Navy man and his love for torpedoes.

Broke Back Torpedo!

Pretty Torpedo!

Torpedo Nights!

The Big Torpedo!

Star Torpedoes: Episode V, The Torpedoes Strike Back!

Torpedoes of the Caribbean!

The Torpedoes Reloaded!

The Torpedo and the Rye!

Loathing in Las Vegas (with torpedoes)

huh... sorry about that, it just kinda started spilling out and I couldn't stop lol


Let's take the Voyager approach. Take the best torpedo we have and launch borg at it repeatedly until it pwns.

[krnr]

Let's take the Voyager approach. Take the best torpedo we have and launch borg at it repeatedly until it pwns.

or we could take the enterprise approach make your self impotent and passive and take the beating until your dead.

[Ajacat]

Perhaps half the reason why it worked so well against the Borg isn't a sheer power issue. The prefix "Trans" can be a clue as to how it works and why it worked so well. The word phase is also a clue, because with electronic system, current and voltage phase angles come into play as well as power transmission lines, having 1 phase or 3 phase power, and 3 phase power is usually a setup where the power lines transmit AC power at 3 different angles, or 3 different starting points of the wave form.

If any of that makes since to you, I don't know. Maybe someone else majored in electronic and electrical systems.

But it may not be sheer power that made them work so well. It maybe the finer points of how the power of those torpedo's where made to attack with that made them work so well against the Borg. The power of the torpedo's changed it's form so much so quickly, that the Borg simply could not adapt fast enough, and ripped the Borg ship to shreds.

To try anf figure out how this would be accomplished, theoretically, a long geeky discussion of particle physics and untested theoretical particle physics, that would go over so many peoples heads, would get started.

Voltage
Current
Capacitance
Inductance
Wattage
Phase Angle
Alpha Decay
Beta Decay
Gamma Decay
Gravity
Electrical Force
Magnetic Force
Nuclear Weak Force
Nuclear Stronger Force
Polarized light angle
Frequency
Particle Density

Getting an idea of what you would be facing?

Yeah, I was looking online and I was thinking that it only works because "phasic" was the key word. Plus, I was never the best at physics in high school (im surprised I made to that class). Yes, "trans" means more advanced (like transwarp).

[Profedius]

I don’t think the writers put that much thought into the transphasic torpedoes when they created the story. What I determined is that the torpedoes are not only out of phase, but they transfer to different phases continually until they reach the target. The thing that threw me off is that when they fired these transphasic torpedoes we could see the flight from the launch to impact which wouldn’t be the case if they were out of phase.

[overlordthor]

I don’t think the writers put that much thought into the transphasic torpedoes when they created the story. What I determined is that the torpedoes are not only out of phase, but they transfer to different phases continually until they reach the target. The thing that threw me off is that when they fired these transphasic torpedoes we could see the flight from the launch to impact which wouldn’t be the case if they were out of phase.

Well, I thought it was affecting multiple phases at once, the warhead itself, and possible the light emitted is also in multiple phases, including visible phases(near enough to the standard, or still broadcasting in the standard one.

The idea is that its broadcasting in multiple phases so the borg can only possible adapt to a single phase the orpedo affects and not the whole thing.

[Profedius]

Well, I thought it was affecting multiple phases at once, the warhead itself, and possible the light emitted is also in multiple phases, including visible phases(near enough to the standard, or still broadcasting in the standard one.

The idea is that its broadcasting in multiple phases so the borg can only possible adapt to a single phase the orpedo affects and not the whole thing.

Good point that is just what I was considering only I was thinking it shifts phases, but having it exist in multiple phases would be far more useful since a defense against one phase could very well negate the defense of another. Didn’t they have multiphasic torpedoes already? I guess transphasic could be the upgraded version of the weapon.

[Crazyfist]

Yeah, I'm hoping they wont be around, but maybe the basic tech is and is just an anti-borg tech, because I think the idea is that its energy is released in many different ways that the borg cant adapt to it.

Clarification: It is broadcast along many different phases.

Transphasic torpedoes we're developed in the timeline where the borg we're a threat, they should really not exist atleast not yet in the 'true' timeline in which we haven't been fighting the borg alot.

[overlordthor]

Transphasic torpedoes we're developed in the timeline where the borg we're a threat, they should really not exist atleast not yet in the 'true' timeline in which we haven't been fighting the borg alot.

Unless Voyager brought that tech with them.

[maltzenburgerz]

I hope they did, even if we did have to fight it in PVP. X_x At least I'd get a heroic death I guess. :p BTW, the list of terms are familiar, however, I bombed Solid State Theory-twice, so don't ask me to do any circuitry for you. LOL. X-(

[Musterion]

Someone said pwnton torpedo once. Gets my vote :p

[WinterPark1701]

"The torpedo After" sounds like a bad 60's Second World War movie about a Navy man and his love for torpedoes.

LoL....


Multiphasic would be my guess. Transphasic just makes it sound like a torpedo that is very confused about what it is.

[Swordopolis]

It might be interesting to see torpedoes that have effects other than strictly damage, like perhaps a torpedo warhead which could cause a power drain within a certain radius of detonation for X seconds.

[HittingSmoke]

It might be interesting to see torpedoes that have effects other than strictly damage, like perhaps a torpedo warhead which could cause a power drain within a certain radius of detonation for X seconds.

As an ex Eve player that's something I've been thinking about. ECM type devices. Maybe that's a topic for another thread...

[Swordopolis]

As an ex Eve player that's something I've been thinking about. ECM type devices. Maybe that's a topic for another thread...

There was a pretty good ECM/ECCM thread a while back. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[maltzenburgerz]

LOL, Turkey leg! Nom nom nom! :D

[Arachnidus]

There I'm confused, transphasic is just for some federation doomsday weapon (1 or 2 can destroy a borg cube) so maybe next 1 or 2 centuries they'll use those, or something new. Or maybe in Star Trek, protons are stronger than quantums.

They're only a doomsday weapon because the Borg can't resist it. Otherwise, they're likely only slightly more powerful than Quantum Torpedoes.

[overlordthor]

They're only a doomsday weapon because the Borg can't resist it. Otherwise, they're likely only slightly more powerful than Quantum Torpedoes.

doubtful, because it took one to pound its way into the borg ship, its shear size should have been more then enough to survive a single photon or quantum.

If she fired 20 or so torpedoes before it blew up, I'd buy that it was just that it bypassed the adaptability. A single torpedo took out the cube.

Looking at First contact, it looks like they fired a lot of quantums and photons at a cube before it was blown up, after the battle had been well underway. the Borg obviously had not adapted to the torpedoes the Starfleet ships were firing, the explosions were striking the hull and causing damage straight to the hull, simply pounding the way into the interior.

[HyorD]

Perhaps half the reason why it worked so well against the Borg isn't a sheer power issue. The prefix "Trans" can be a clue as to how it works and why it worked so well. The word phase is also a clue, because with electronic system, current and voltage phase angles come into play as well as power transmission lines, having 1 phase or 3 phase power, and 3 phase power is usually a setup where the power lines transmit AC power at 3 different angles, or 3 different starting points of the wave form.The word phase enters into play in many fields of physics, but on Trek is often has something to do with being "out of phase" with our normal universe, preventing one from interacting with it (except that one seems to experience the pull of gravity but does not fall through floors (I'm gonna account this to the artificial gravity flooring) and chronitons can do funky stuff to you (I'm gonna account this to the fact that chronitons are funky)); an example being the interphase cloaking device.
Supposedly, transphasic torpedoes can switch between phases to pass through shields and hull armor so as to maximize the destructive effect. The Apocrypha section on Memory Alpha seems to confirm this:
The warhead technology of the torpedoes was also revealed in the novel. It is based on generating a destructive subspace compression pulse. Upon detonation the torpedo delivers the pulse in an asymmetric superposition of multiple phase states. Shields can only block one subcomponent of the pulse. The other subcomponents deliver the majority of the pulse to the target. Every torpedo has a different transphasic configuration, generated randomly by a dissonant feedback effect to prevent the Borg from predicting the configuration of the phase states.

[overlordthor]

The word phase enters into play in many fields of physics, but on Trek is often has something to do with being "out of phase" with our normal universe, preventing one from interacting with it (except that one seems to experience the pull of gravity but does not fall through floors (I'm gonna account this to the artificial gravity flooring) and chronitons can do funky stuff to you (I'm gonna account this to the fact that chronitons are funky)); an example being the interphase cloaking device.
Supposedly, transphasic torpedoes can switch between phases to pass through shields and hull armor so as to maximize the destructive effect. The Apocrypha section on Memory Alpha seems to confirm this:

From you second quote it seems that only the warhead has anything to do with being out of phase, not the delivery system. So the delivery system may not go out of phase at all by the sound of the second one.

I just watched the video of the fight with the Borg Cubes, it seems they impacted on the surface, and then the borg cube blew up. So unless they drilled inside blowing stuff up all the way while being out of phase.... they weren't out of phase enough to pass through the hull.

[TFO_KillSwitch]

dont for get about this i think this is the most powerfull warhead for the torpedos
USS Voyager uses a pair of tricobalt devices to destroy the Caretaker array in the Star Trek: Voyager and was also used against Voyager in the episode "Blink of an Eye." A tricobalt warhead was also used by the Tholians in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly". They detonated a tricobalt warhead inside the gravity well of a dead star. The explosion created an interphasic rift, which they used to lure the Federation starship USS Defiant from another Universe.

The games Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Armada II have ships armed with Tricobalt devices for artillery support. The Federation Steamrunner class, the Klingon Chuq'Beh-class Bird of Prey, the Romulan Raptor class Warbird, and the Borg Harbinger are all capable of using them.USS Voyager was equipped with type-6 photon torpedoes

and all so i rember some were the devs meching the use of a tricobalt device

[tpolspock23]

The word phase enters into play in many fields of physics, but on Trek is often has something to do with being "out of phase" with our normal universe, preventing one from interacting with it (except that one seems to experience the pull of gravity but does not fall through floors (I'm gonna account this to the artificial gravity flooring) and chronitons can do funky stuff to you (I'm gonna account this to the fact that chronitons are funky)); an example being the interphase cloaking device.
Supposedly, transphasic torpedoes can switch between phases to pass through shields and hull armor so as to maximize the destructive effect. The Apocrypha section on Memory Alpha seems to confirm this:

The only way transphasics can be more powerful than photons and quantums is if they had the inventor of the torpedo configure the torpedo to have phases that are more powerful than quantums.