No Ranks in Usernames Please

[Zeroth]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.

[Sobekeus]

But I was so looking forward to being Lieutenant Junior Grade Grand Admiral Moff VaderTarkin.

[HittingSmoke]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.

I second this.

[ngille]

Well using ranks in a forum name means nothing and won't fool anyone, however once the game launches (or beta) then yeah such filters would be a really good idea.

[LordDave]

Yeah I'd imagine you'd have some kind of filter and rules that state you can't do that.

[wanobi22]

by username are we referring to the forums? I'm a little too late for that xD

but in game? yeah I can see that as being a problem. Don't think I'mma do that, nope. I got a name in mind already, and it involves "Thorne" thats all I can say. well, other than that it doesn't involve a rank or anything that sounds like a rank.

[Sorbek]

by username are we referring to the forums? I'm a little too late for that xD

but in game? yeah I can see that as being a problem. Don't think I'mma do that, nope. I got a name in mind already, and it involves "Thorne" thats all I can say. well, other than that it doesn't involve a rank or anything that sounds like a rank.

Would this be the Lt. Thorne from BSG :-)

[marscentral]

No, I'm looking forward to being ~xXCaptain Captain PikerdXx~

[UnknownGornCaptain]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.

Eh...

Woops!

Heheheh.....:p

[wanobi22]

Would this be the Lt. Thorne from BSG :-)

Erm... not if you're thinking Lt. Alistair Thorne. I'm more of a.. Sheridan Thorne.

[UnknownGornCaptain]

Eh...

Woops!

Heheheh.....:p

What about humorous meant usernames? Or are they off limits as well? :D

[marscentral]

What about humorous meant usernames? Or are they off limits as well? :D

Of course, this is Star Trek, you're not meant to have fun! ;)

[UnknownGornCaptain]

Of course, this is Star Trek, you're not meant to have fun! ;)

In that case I will press the Self Destruct button immediately. What was I thinking?

Bad Gorn! Bad! :D

[njdss4]

Well using ranks in a forum name means nothing and won't fool anyone, however once the game launches (or beta) then yeah such filters would be a really good idea.

Exactly. In game it needs to be filtered out. I don't think Cryptic would overlook this, I'm not worried.

[UnknownGornCaptain]

Exactly. In game it needs to be filtered out. I don't think Cryptic would overlook this, I'm not worried.
Unknown_Gorn_......? :D

[Zeroth]

Well in your case, Unknown_Gorn_Captain that's different, lol. Though you will have to come up with a name for the game ;).

[Zeroth]

I'm kind of disappointed actually. I thought this would bring out the crazies and get me flamed. I had my flame-retardant suit all ready!

[UnknownGornCaptain]

I'm kind of disappointed actually. I thought this would bring out the crazies and get me flamed. I had my flame-retardant suit all ready!
Yeah, I expected some to get agitated as well, but it's all very quiet.

Better luck next time, I would say. ;)

[Peregrine_Falcon]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.
On a related note, I've always found it amusing that user names with ranks are always: Captain this or Admiral that. No one names themselves Lieutenant Junior Grade Persimmons. It's almost always Grand Fleet Admiral Persimmons.

I've often wondered if this is related to the past lives syndrome. Back when "I'm using hypnotism to recall my past life" was popular, everyone was like; "In my previous incarnation I was Pharoah Numinicus the XCLIIIXC!" No one said; "In my former life I was held captive by a bunch of pig farmers and used as their pleasure slave."

Wishful thinking is wishful thinking. :)

[Antagonist]

I'm kind of disappointed actually. I thought this would bring out the crazies and get me flamed. I had my flame-retardant suit all ready!

I share your disappointment as well; flame wars were the only reason i decided to read this particular thread lol:D

Better luck next time,
-The antagonist

[curtst]

Of course, this is Star Trek, you're not meant to have fun! ;)

Only if the die hard folks have their way! I say LET FREEDOM RING!

[mwood1387]

That's OK. I wouldn't name my character 'captain ___' anyway. I'm much more inclined to be 'Fish Fingers - Scourge of the Federation'.

[ngille]

I'm kind of disappointed actually. I thought this would bring out the crazies and get me flamed. I had my flame-retardant suit all ready!

*throws incendiary grenate at Zeroth* Happy now? hehehe

[UnknownGornCaptain]

On a related note, I've always found it amusing that user names with ranks are always: Captain this or Admiral that. No one names themselves Lieutenant Junior Grade Persimmons. It's almost always Grand Fleet Admiral Persimmons.

I've often wondered if this is related to the past lives syndrome. Back when "I'm using hypnotism to recall my past life" was popular, everyone was like; "In my previous incarnation I was Pharoah Numinicus the XCLIIIXC!" No one said; "In my former life I was held captive by a bunch of pig farmers and used as their pleasure slave."

Wishful thinking is wishful thinking. :)

Unknown_Gorn_Janitor...

Unknown_Gorn_nurse...

Unknown_Gorn_Cook...

Unknown_Gorn_Ensign 3d Class

:D

[Telinous]

You know they could implemant a temporary name system, let you make a name based on if its being used yet or not with a 1-3 week time period before a staff member can evaluate the name to determine if its ok to keep (letting you play the entire time) if not upon your next login you will be prompted to pick a new one and the process starts again. This way we avoid things like Grand Admiral or Sk8tr P3ni2 and the like.

[marscentral]

I've often wondered if this is related to the past lives syndrome. Back when "I'm using hypnotism to recall my past life" was popular, everyone was like; "In my previous incarnation I was Pharoah Numinicus the XCLIIIXC!" No one said; "In my former life I was held captive by a bunch of pig farmers and used as their pleasure slave."

Wishful thinking is wishful thinking. :)

I'm reminded of the episode of Red Dwarf where Rimmer tells Lister that in a past life he was Alexander the Great's chief eunuch.

[Admiral_Trane]

Well also [rank]l____ is used a lot in the fleets, especially mine. It is a way to show who's in charge in the fleets. Also your always going to get crazies going around thinking they're better than you. If your going to filter ranks then you also have to filter out Q, god, goddess, king, emperor, etc...


Would you prefer it to say 23rdFleetAdmiral_Trane instead?




P.S. LIVE WITH IT BEING ADMIRAL_TRANE!!!!

[Paulo999]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.

you cant really stop people lol.. one of those things you'll have to like and lump :O if they block out captain the easy way around its just to -Captain-

[WinterPark1701]

Well using ranks in a forum name means nothing and won't fool anyone, however once the game launches (or beta) then yeah such filters would be a really good idea.

form ranks are meaningless, they don't actually carry any weight. I mean I could name my self Supreme Overlord Tak'ta and I'd be the only one who either cares or pays any attention to that. If anyone is going around pimping a rank they gave them self then they're just another Troll and the best thing you can do is not feed them.


BTW, I am actually now declaring my self Supreme Overload, you will all now bow before me. Your first task, find me Terry Farrell's home phone number.

[Archangelwoghd]

I don't see how this is a problem. If someone wants to look like an idiot, they are entitled to do so, aren't they?

If someone's user name is Captain Kirk, and they are ranked as an Ensign, it will say "Ensign Captain Kirk" or "Captain Kirk (Ensign)" or somesuch. In other words, they will only manage to make themselves look Goofy.

[WinterPark1701]

you know something, Rank isn't really all that big of a deal. I mean anyone here who's actually been in the military can tell you that there are a lot of dumb people who hold high ranks. In my Trek club here in Orlando we do have Ranks however it is simply something used to honor people who have contributed to the club but that rank in our club doesn't actually carry any 'command previliages' that is to say that just because I'm a Lt. Cdr. in the club I don't have any authority over a new member its just a way of marking that I've been in the club for years and have been an active part of running and managing the club and I think that's about what Rank is worth on this site.

[indigowhale345]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.


Huh? Did you hit your head? There are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. There have been plenty of annoying threads about in game names, ship names, and the like, but forum user names!?

First off then, what the hell guy? Why should you dictate what someone else's user name is? Why do you think you should have a say in what someone's character name is?

Do you also get agitated when you meet real people named after months? Or seasons? Or tires? Are they disrespecting the real months, seasons, or tires?

Do you further realize that forum names and in game characters won't be named the same thing? It doesn't matter if I'm Grand Admiral Captain Noobalicious here. Whatever my ship or character name in game will be may have no relevance to my forum name. I can't imagine why you think our forum names will be our captain's names.

And how about the fact that many ranks are just as much job titles as they are ranks, captain being the prime example? Even if you're Ensign Taco, you may still be captain of the runabout Shredded Cheese.

Then there are those names that are obviously tributes to people from the series, like Captain Picard. Whats wrong with those names as forum names? Do you really think anyone is going to mistake them for the fictional character come to life?

But even after that, why should anyone care what an admiral says or an ensign says? There is no military hierarchy here, nor will it have any real meaning in game--unless you, and you alone, allow it to have meaning when you interact with other people.

Last, but not least, your final line is simply you being insulting, presumably because you can't understand that other people have different ideas than yourself.

Of course this probably is just someone trolling and tossing out flamebait, considering the high concentration of people targeted by this thread, so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.

[UnknownGornCaptain]

BTW, I am actually now declaring my self Supreme Overload, you will all now bow before me. Your first task, find me Terry Farrell's home phone number.

Wait one minute! I'm going to be the Supreme Overlord! Unknown_Gorn_Supreme Overlord. Bow before me or get eaten...

[UnknownGornCaptain]

Huh? Did you hit your head? There are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. There have been plenty of annoying threads about in game names, ship names, and the like, but forum user names!?

First off then, what the hell guy? Why should you dictate what someone else's user name is? Why do you think you should have a say in what someone's character name is?

Do you also get agitated when you meet real people named after months? Or seasons? Or tires? Are they disrespecting the real months, seasons, or tires?

Do you further realize that forum names and in game characters won't be named the same thing? It doesn't matter if I'm Grand Admiral Captain Noobalicious here. Whatever my ship or character name in game will be may have no relevance to my forum name. I can't imagine why you think our forum names will be our captain's names.

And how about the fact that many ranks are just as much job titles as they are ranks, captain being the prime example? Even if you're Ensign Taco, you may still be captain of the runabout Shredded Cheese.

Then there are those names that are obviously tributes to people from the series, like Captain Picard. Whats wrong with those names as forum names? Do you really think anyone is going to mistake them for the fictional character come to life?

But even after that, why should anyone care what an admiral says or an ensign says? There is no military hierarchy here, nor will it have any real meaning in game--unless you, and you alone, allow it to have meaning when you interact with other people.

Last, but not least, your final line is simply you being insulting, presumably because you can't understand that other people have different ideas than yourself.

Of course this probably is just someone trolling and tossing out flamebait, considering the high concentration of people targeted by this thread, so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.

We were expecting the more agitated to come sooner or later...

Welcome! :D

[WinterPark1701]

Wait one minute! I'm going to be the Supreme Overlord! Unknown_Gorn_Supreme Overlord. Bow before me or get eaten...

If I support you can you get me a date with Terry Farrell?

[Admiral_Trane]

Huh? Did you hit your head? There are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start. There have been plenty of annoying threads about in game names, ship names, and the like, but forum user names!?

First off then, what the hell guy? Why should you dictate what someone else's user name is? Why do you think you should have a say in what someone's character name is?

Do you also get agitated when you meet real people named after months? Or seasons? Or tires? Are they disrespecting the real months, seasons, or tires?

Do you further realize that forum names and in game characters won't be named the same thing? It doesn't matter if I'm Grand Admiral Captain Noobalicious here. Whatever my ship or character name in game will be may have no relevance to my forum name. I can't imagine why you think our forum names will be our captain's names.

And how about the fact that many ranks are just as much job titles as they are ranks, captain being the prime example? Even if you're Ensign Taco, you may still be captain of the runabout Shredded Cheese.

Then there are those names that are obviously tributes to people from the series, like Captain Picard. Whats wrong with those names as forum names? Do you really think anyone is going to mistake them for the fictional character come to life?

But even after that, why should anyone care what an admiral says or an ensign says? There is no military hierarchy here, nor will it have any real meaning in game--unless you, and you alone, allow it to have meaning when you interact with other people.

Last, but not least, your final line is simply you being insulting, presumably because you can't understand that other people have different ideas than yourself.

Of course this probably is just someone trolling and tossing out flamebait, considering the high concentration of people targeted by this thread, so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.

Couldn't of said it better than myself

[Zeroth]

I find it odd that every person who finally flamed me or disagreed with me, had ranks in their usernames.

You can believe whatever you want. The developers have total control. I brought this issue up to let them decide. Frankly, I want a game with lots of immersion, not letting people feel unreasonably proud of themselves for false titles.

[TheDrifter]

Yeah I'd imagine you'd have some kind of filter and rules that state you can't do that.

Says the guy who gave himself not only a title, but one of NOBILITY. :p

For serious though, they filtered out the adjectives you could earn to add to your name is CoH. Im sure they'll do the same here.

[silvirel]

Ah yes but in Game we all command a ship, and by naval tradition; as well as stated in at leas one episode anyone commanding a ship is in fact a Captain; regardless of actual rank. So anyone putting cpt. captian, or any variation of that is in fact just stating a rather ammusing point.

[Drexxus3d]

Yeah, ranks in your character name makes you look silly, especially when it doesn't match your actual rank.

However, you can wager that fleets will have "ranks" within them as well and probably won't match your actual game rank either.

Also.... In a past life I was a pleasure slave for a bunch of pig farmers :(

[Admiral_Trane]

I find it odd that every person who finally flamed me or disagreed with me, had ranks in their usernames.

You can believe whatever you want. The developers have total control. I brought this issue up to let them decide. Frankly, I want a game with lots of immersion, not letting people feel unreasonably proud of themselves for false titles.

Who said I was proud to be an Admiral, it holds a lot of responsibility. If you want to have your little "let everyone feel mediocre" world, go head, just leave me out of it.


This is also a game not the real world so it doesn't matter, my first name isn't Admiral. But just because it ticks you off or a small minority doesn't make it fair for a good portion of us who like it.

[mwood1387]

Are we talking about forum or in-game usernames here? If its in-game then the ranks should be earned otherwise what's the point of gaining the rank of admiral if some ensign comes along with 'Admiral....' in his/her name.

[Admiral_Trane]

I believe both

Fleets have ranks too. I'm an Admiral in the 23rd Fleet.

[mwood1387]

Forum-wise the ranks don't matter whatsoever. I've seen at least 3 people with a variation of Jean-Luc Picard. That doesn't mean they are Picard. Only in-game does it matter.

[Admiral_Trane]

it's a game. It is not suppose to matter, period. That's how people express themselves.

[bothan]

I resent this thread. Can I help it if my parents decided to name me "Admiral"?

(For those who may be confused, "bothan" is not actually my given name, but my surname. Now you see why I don't go by my given name. And no, it's not supposed to be capitalized.)

Do you also get agitated when you meet real people named after months? Or seasons? Or tires?

Bridgestone? Goodyear? Michelin? Yokohama? Sumitomo? :confused:

[renef78]

On a related note, I've always found it amusing that user names with ranks are always: Captain this or Admiral that. No one names themselves Lieutenant Junior Grade Persimmons. It's almost always Grand Fleet Admiral Persimmons.

I'm only a Commander. Does that count? :P

And what're we talking about here, exactly? Are we talking about in game names? If so, sure. I'd hate to see "[Lieutenant] Grand Admiral Biscuit" in-game. The sad fact is, though, that you can't really keep people from making characters with stupid names. It's just a fact of life. They could go ahead and block out the words "Captain", "Admiral", and so on from names in the game, but that won't stop people from making stupidly named characters in other ways. Frankly, I expect to see the "IKS PWNZ U N00B" on day one.

But if we're talking about user names on a message board, then this thread is stupid. Board handles have jack diddly to do with in-game names. I'm certainly not going to be naming my character Elias Vaughn, much less sticking "Commander" in there. I'm posting under this name because I really liked the character in the novels. When Star Trek Online comes out, I'll be making my own character. Either way, if we're talking about forum user names here, then this is stupid.

So my question is, what ARE we talking about, exactly? Because whether I agree or start lobbing insulting slurs depends on the answer. :P

[FltAdmiralZander]

I know for me I used a a rank in my STO forum name because it reflects my position in my fleet. I will say that as far as the in gmae names go my will be simply Jonathen Zander. However I will also say that as far as in game ranks go they will mean very very very little to my fleet. The rank you are in the fleet is the way the fleet will see you in gmae regaurdless of your actual in game rank.

I will finish by saying that if you have an issue with ranks then for one your probably not going to enjoy the fleet enviorment. Also any who hates the ranks so much remember... this Star Trek, and if you choose the Federation to play in then you are going to be Starfleet. And guess what Starfleet has ranks and they do matter.

[mwood1387]

I know for me I used a a rank in my STO forum name because it reflects my position in my fleet. I will say that as far as the in gmae names go my will be simply Jonathen Zander. However I will also say that as far as in game ranks go they will mean very very very little to my fleet. The rank you are in the fleet is the way the fleet will see you in gmae regaurdless of your actual in game rank.

I will finish by saying that if you have an issue with ranks then for one your probably not going to enjoy the fleet enviorment. Also any who hates the ranks so much remember... this Star Trek, and if you choose the Federation to play in then you are going to be Starfleet. And guess what Starfleet has ranks and they do matter.

The issue isn't the existence of ranks within the game. Its when people's characters are named 'Admiral blahblah'. If the rank is gained though leveling or through fleet actions that's fine. Its just when someone names their character with a rank and then its supplemented with a real in-game rank.
EG: [Ensign] Admiral lameness

[harden007]

I'm certain I read somewhere that there will be restrictions in the game on what you can be named. No ranks and no "PIcArd_Pwnz4LooT" names. :cool:

Of course a person can call themselves the Sultan of Baghdad for all I care; A Klingon would never claim to be a rank he is not. :D

[FltAdmiralZander]

The issue isn't the existence of ranks within the game. Its when people's characters are named 'Admiral blahblah'. If the rank is gained though leveling or through fleet actions that's fine. Its just when someone names their character with a rank and then its supplemented with a real in-game rank.
EG: [Ensign] Admiral lameness

Sorry I must have mis understood.

[Telinous]

I'm only a Commander. Does that count? :P

And what're we talking about here, exactly? Are we talking about in game names? If so, sure. I'd hate to see "[Lieutenant] Grand Admiral Biscuit" in-game. The sad fact is, though, that you can't really keep people from making characters with stupid names. It's just a fact of life. They could go ahead and block out the words "Captain", "Admiral", and so on from names in the game, but that won't stop people from making stupidly named characters in other ways. Frankly, I expect to see the "IKS PWNZ U N00B" on day one.

But if we're talking about user names on a message board, then this thread is stupid. Board handles have jack diddly to do with in-game names. I'm certainly not going to be naming my character Elias Vaughn, much less sticking "Commander" in there. I'm posting under this name because I really liked the character in the novels. When Star Trek Online comes out, I'll be making my own character. Either way, if we're talking about forum user names here, then this is stupid.

So my question is, what ARE we talking about, exactly? Because whether I agree or start lobbing insulting slurs depends on the answer. :P

I thought we were talking about IG

[Zeroth]

Its within the game. But ranks in names on a forum are pretty silly too.

Everyone assumes I'm all mad about this. I'm not. I think its a relevant issue that needs to be brought to dev attention. When new players enter the game, and they see a whole bunch of these weird inconsistencies, it will ruin their expected immersion into the game. And I'm not talking about hardcore players, I'm talking about people inexperienced with MMOs, but willing to give STO a chance.

[wanobi22]

While I agree whole-heartedly about the naming of characters in-game, coming around and saying
"But ranks in names on a forum are pretty silly too." is sort of like an arrogant way of saying "anyone who puts a rank--any rank-- in their user name, forum or otherwise, is silly (likely a polite way of saying 'dumb' which is also a polite way of saying words I'm not allowed to type on these forums). And its not necessarily that way. I don't think of myself as silly or dumb because I chose to have "Captain" in my forum user name. I chose it because when I saw one of the trailers for STO, and read some info on the main site, I was (am) under the impression that when you start the game, you start off as the captain of a ship immediately. I mean, that is the whole point of the game, right? To be the captain of your own ship?

Maybe thats just me, but I earnestly don't believe that having a rank in the forum user-name is dumb. Now, is it dumb for an in-game character to be [Lieutenant] Admiral Archer, or [Captain] pwn sauce. or whatever... yeah, thats dumb. I would rather see [Captain] Ricky Bobby. or even [Ensign] Koko Puff. As long as it looks like a name to me. (Koko is an actual first name, and even a last name. Puff is too. I was in the US Army, and I saw a Specialist Puff. It was funny.)

But yeah, I must be rambling on now, because I lost all focus and attention. Yeah, I'll be a great captain, right?

[renef78]

But ranks in names on a forum are pretty silly too.

How so? I don't see how they're any sillier than any other forum name. I used to post on another forum as The Gingerbread Man. Someone I know posted as Bad Ass Pac Man. Someone else posted under the name efarts. How is a name like Captain Thorne or Commander Elias Vaughn any sillier than that? Really, of all the things to get smug and condescending over, the names people select as forum usernames is hardly one of those things.

[Admiral_Trane]

What makes you say in game it is going to say[rank]Admiral_Trane? Maybe they'll just have some rank pins or something so instead it's Admiral_Trane IIOII or something. I think personally this whole thing is blown out of proportions, because once you start limiting names, it doesn't stop. As I said before, if there aren't going to be ranks then anything with Q, king, queen, earl, duke, god, etc... should be gone too because they pose the same problem as ranks.

[Peregrine_Falcon]

I find it odd that every person who finally flamed me or disagreed with me, had ranks in their usernames.
I noticed that. I also noticed that with only one exception everyone of them had either Captain or Admiral in their forum name.

You're all Admirals in your own fleet of one. :D

[mwood1387]

You're all Admirals in your own fleet of one. :D

Couldn't help but laugh at that :D Nice one.

[Admiral_Trane]

I noticed that. I also noticed that with only one exception everyone of them had either Captain or Admiral in their forum name.

You're all Admirals in your own fleet of one. :D

The 23rd Fleet has at the moment 74 members, unless you somehow failed math, I don't see where you get one.

Besides I'd like to not that those how speak out you are mostly from actual fleets and not rogue captai like yourself. Clearly this plays a role as to how this issue is being viewed.

[mightyjoe722]

What makes you say in game it is going to say[rank]Admiral_Trane? Maybe they'll just have some rank pins or something so instead it's Admiral_Trane IIOII or something. I think personally this whole thing is blown out of proportions, because once you start limiting names, it doesn't stop. As I said before, if there aren't going to be ranks then anything with Q, king, queen, earl, duke, god, etc... should be gone too because they pose the same problem as ranks.

I agree with you sir. This is getting way out of hand, almost like the tribble incident...

[Zeroth]

The 23rd Fleet has at the moment 74 members, unless you somehow failed math, I don't see where you get one.

Besides I'd like to not that those how speak out you are mostly from actual fleets and not rogue captai like yourself. Clearly this plays a role as to how this issue is being viewed.

There you go again, calling us Rogue Captains! My mission is to explore where man(and woman) has never gone before, damn it! Just because I do this without a giant fleet behind me, or that I even don't want to be part of a giant fleet doesn't mean I'm rogue. ;)

[Admiral_Trane]

FYI this is the first time I've every referred anyone by that term. Second by definition rogue is "no longer obedient, belonging, or accepted and hence not controllable or answerable; deviating, renegade" In other words one not belonging or associated with a group or nation. I don't it demeaning at all.

[JerryC]

I have to agree with you about how stupid it is and its fairly easy to restrict names so that things like Admiral, Captain and various other ranks are not usable in names.




There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.

[marscentral]

I find myself tempted to create an account "Captain_Ensign_Admiralton (Lt.)"

[UnknownGornCaptain]

I have to agree with you about how stupid it is and its fairly easy to restrict names so that things like Admiral, Captain and various other ranks are not usable in names.

No! :eek: My name is too cute...

Although Unknown_Gorn_Cook with a human cookbook (a nice human stew;)) sounds good as well...:D

[Archangelwoghd]

I find it odd that every person who finally flamed me or disagreed with me, had ranks in their usernames.

You can believe whatever you want. The developers have total control. I brought this issue up to let them decide. Frankly, I want a game with lots of immersion, not letting people feel unreasonably proud of themselves for false titles.

I disagree with you completely, (and politely), yet I have no rank in my username. To be honest, I assumed you were talking about the Game anyway, and not these forum. People can call themselves whatever they want. Why would you want to tell people what they can call themselves?

[KashikoiBaka]

So why should we care if someone has a rank in their name now? Doesn't affect me at all and there are bound to be a few funny names.

[marscentral]

In case my earlier sarcasms have been misunderstood, I really don't care if someone has a rank in their user name and I don't have one in mine either.

[Zeroth]

Trane, way to overreact! *thumbs up!* I was joking.

Here's the thing: I'm seeing a lot of extrapolation, accusations that I'm dictating things. I find this interesting that the moment something you like is threatened, even by some new member, you have to react and make accusations about what kind of person I am or what I like or dislike.

No, I don't hate ranks. I do hate drama.

If you have an issue with an idea proposed, attack the idea itself, not the author. This isn't politics where slinging mud and besmirching the messenger invalidates the message. This is a forum. Another thing, I am not dictating anything. I brought a request to the forum, in the hopes the devs see it, and expressed my opinion. I said "I want" etc. It was not a decree. I do not, and will never have, that authority.

But apparently when an opinion threatens something someone wants, people get very upset about it. Unfortunately, no one is raised on how to handle opposing opinions and viewpoints, so we end up with flame wars over the stupidest things. We end up with endless debates, and fear-mongering, because people assume their opinion is the most important thing in the world. Your opinion isn't all that important, especially if you continue to hold it in the face of evidence.

I know this post is going to get a lot of flack, and people defending themselves, but ask yourself honestly... why do you care about this issue? Why did you post? Why did you flame me? If you can come up with an answer for your behavior over such a minor issue, then post it.

A truly adult person will be willing to listen to the arguments and, this is most important, change their mind. You have to consider all the sides, and not just your own wants and desires.

The thing is, there are several very good arguments against allowing ranks into in-game usernames. There are no good arguments for it though, other than "who cares?"

Yes there will be lots of stupid names. I blame this on a lack of creativity and sheer numbers. But at the very least, actions can be taken that will minimize silly and stupid names. For example, allowing only alphabetical characters and apostrophes, with numbers allowed only for specific in-built species. This makes the filters significantly easier, and much less work would be needed to maintain them.

And yes, we should block all usages of Lady, Lord, King, Queen, Emperor, Empress, Q, God, Shiva, etc. The reason this is all needed is because, again, we can actually reduce silly and stupid names. I think this is a good idea, because it will make the game that much better. It will improve the experience for new players that are not hardcore mmo players, that are looking to pretend to be a starfleet captain and so on. Essentially: It improves the escapism value of the game for people. This is nothing but good for Cryptic. It also makes hardcore trekkies happier too.

PS: Perhaps I shouldn't have been calling ranks in forum names silly. I apologize. But I still think doing so in the game is silly and goofy.

[Loekii]

I don't see how this is a problem. If someone wants to look like an idiot, they are entitled to do so, aren't they?

If someone's user name is Captain Kirk, and they are ranked as an Ensign, it will say "Ensign Captain Kirk" or "Captain Kirk (Ensign)" or somesuch. In other words, they will only manage to make themselves look Goofy.

I actually know people that actually have 'Ranks' in their real names. Heck we even have had actors with ranks in their names (Lee Majors, Dick Sargent, etc).

I think there will be far more 'offensive' names, that don't use ranks in their names.

What is the Naming Policy in CO (if it has been announced), as I can see that being the framework of what we find in STO.

[CapnBludd]

There are some people who've chosen to insert a rank into their username. I find this silly, and disrespectful of the actual ranks we'll earn in the game. At the very least, I want to ensure no one can insert a rank falsely into their STO username, because I really don't want to see [Ensign] Admiral_Darryl: OBEY ME NOOB CUZ I R ADMIRAL HAHAHAHA.

And besides, it just makes you look stupid to put a rank into your username.


Hmm, I've used this handle since there were only 300 baud modems and BBS's instead of the internet and if I felt like using it in game as it is I wouldn't care if you thought it was stupid. 8')

[Beaver8]

But I was so looking forward to being Lieutenant Junior Grade Grand Admiral Moff VaderTarkin.
Nice. I will probalby be something like FIrst officer second leiutenant junior padawan master hutt jedi senator republic emperor.

I'm only a Commander. Does that count? :P

Yes, and you must be burned alive for it!.

[mwood1387]

Trane, way to overreact! *thumbs up!* I was joking.

Here's the thing: I'm seeing a lot of extrapolation, accusations that I'm dictating things. I find this interesting that the moment something you like is threatened, even by some new member, you have to react and make accusations about what kind of person I am or what I like or dislike.

No, I don't hate ranks. I do hate drama.

If you have an issue with an idea proposed, attack the idea itself, not the author. This isn't politics where slinging mud and besmirching the messenger invalidates the message. This is a forum. Another thing, I am not dictating anything. I brought a request to the forum, in the hopes the devs see it, and expressed my opinion. I said "I want" etc. It was not a decree. I do not, and will never have, that authority.

But apparently when an opinion threatens something someone wants, people get very upset about it. Unfortunately, no one is raised on how to handle opposing opinions and viewpoints, so we end up with flame wars over the stupidest things. We end up with endless debates, and fear-mongering, because people assume their opinion is the most important thing in the world. Your opinion isn't all that important, especially if you continue to hold it in the face of evidence.

I know this post is going to get a lot of flack, and people defending themselves, but ask yourself honestly... why do you care about this issue? Why did you post? Why did you flame me? If you can come up with an answer for your behavior over such a minor issue, then post it.

A truly adult person will be willing to listen to the arguments and, this is most important, change their mind. You have to consider all the sides, and not just your own wants and desires.

The thing is, there are several very good arguments against allowing ranks into in-game usernames. There are no good arguments for it though, other than "who cares?"

Yes there will be lots of stupid names. I blame this on a lack of creativity and sheer numbers. But at the very least, actions can be taken that will minimize silly and stupid names. For example, allowing only alphabetical characters and apostrophes, with numbers allowed only for specific in-built species. This makes the filters significantly easier, and much less work would be needed to maintain them.

And yes, we should block all usages of Lady, Lord, King, Queen, Emperor, Empress, Q, God, Shiva, etc. The reason this is all needed is because, again, we can actually reduce silly and stupid names. I think this is a good idea, because it will make the game that much better. It will improve the experience for new players that are not hardcore mmo players, that are looking to pretend to be a starfleet captain and so on. Essentially: It improves the escapism value of the game for people. This is nothing but good for Cryptic. It also makes hardcore trekkies happier too.

PS: Perhaps I shouldn't have been calling ranks in forum names silly. I apologize. But I still think doing so in the game is silly and goofy.

At least there's a concise argument somewhere in this thread. Most of the arguments in favour of keeping rank names are along the 'why? because I said so' line of reasoning. The way I see it (as in this is my opinion, no need for tears) is from a business perspective.

Is the inability to call your character 'Admiral captain Yoda' going to stop you from playing STO? No, you'll be able to find an equally stupid name without a rank I'm sure.
Is a Trekkie going to continue playing STO if the last 5 ships they've come across are called 'Admiral Captain Yoda' (or something just as 'special') and all they want is to immerse themselves in the Trek universe? No, they'll throw a hissy-fit and quit playing because they wanted to play Star Trek not Spaceballs. Like it or not the community is a big part of an MMO and the way one person plays can affect someone else' gameplay a lot.

MMOs are big business and the more money there is to be made the better. Having a naming policy that suits everyone is more profitable than one which will ruin the game for a percentage of people. And no, a strict naming policy won't be the start of some downward spiral to some big brother scenario like someone mentioned earlier. Its just a naming policy.

It just comes down to how much you really 'need' that ego boost in your names. If your the leader of a fleet you're automatically have the rank of Admiral anyway. Its the equivalent of 'guild leader'. Not to mention that if you think your going to be as good as some of you think you are in STO you should have the individual rank of Admiral in no time.

[Torchar]

What makes you say in game it is going to say[rank]Admiral_Trane? Maybe they'll just have some rank pins or something so instead it's Admiral_Trane IIOII or something. I think personally this whole thing is blown out of proportions, because once you start limiting names, it doesn't stop. As I said before, if there aren't going to be ranks then anything with Q, king, queen, earl, duke, god, etc... should be gone too because they pose the same problem as ranks.

I support the Admiral, being my direct superior and holding the position of Science Admiral in the 23rd Fleet I can vouch that he is a well respected member of the fleet more that worthy of holding that rank. I myself have not placed my fleet rank in my name either, further disproving the suggestion made that only members with ranks in their names think that it is acceptable.

I feel it is far better that players are given the freedom to name themselves what they like (not including vulgar language etc due to younger players) after all cryptic is about customisation. what will the first thing every single player customises? Their name of course, it makes them individual. We will all be playing to have fun, so if someone gets a kick out of calling themselves a silly name then what right do we have to tell them what they can or cant do if it isn't hurting anyone?

Lt Cmdr Lewis Out!

[Sobekeus]

I wanted to be Fleet Captain Obvious...

[FierySpecter]

Having "captain" in your username should be allowed, since that's your title regardless of rank. I agree with not allowing the rest though, it'd just be idiotic.

[ByYourCommand]

I support the Admiral, being my direct superior and holding the position of Science Admiral in the 23rd Fleet I can vouch that he is a well respected member of the fleet more that worthy of holding that rank. I myself have not placed my fleet rank in my name either, further disproving the suggestion made that only members with ranks in their names think that it is acceptable.

I feel it is far better that players are given the freedom to name themselves what they like (not including vulgar language etc due to younger players) after all cryptic is about customisation. what will the first thing every single player customises? Their name of course, it makes them individual. We will all be playing to have fun, so if someone gets a kick out of calling themselves a silly name then what right do we have to tell them what they can or cant do if it isn't hurting anyone?

Lt Cmdr Lewis Out!

See, this is part of why I just don't bother joining "clans" or "guilds" or any of that BS unless it's an absolute imperative that I do so. Too pretentious, and too likely that your superiors got their "ranks" and "awards" by means of connections and "being there first" rather than actually earning them through competence and hard work. Too often, command is awarded to well-connected idiots who force everybody else to jump through a ridiculous set of hoops to even be peripherally let into the clique.

If we want ranks, there should be an impartial system through which they are awarded (successfully completing missions from Starfleet or the High Council, heroism in battle, consistent good service, etc.) that is programmed into the game, rather than left in the hands of everyone and their father's half-brother's second cousin's former roommate.


EDIT: Okay, contradiction. I have a rank in my signature. As STO hasn't gone online yet, it's an assumed rank for role-playing purposes which will be replaced with whatever the game grants me upon registration.

[Deyvid]

Couldn't of said it better than myself

It's "couldn't have" not "couldn't of". I'm not picking on you in particular, but just the current instance of this phenomena.

It's "couldn't have". Let's break it down and see why....

I say it.

I said it. (as in, "I said it, once.")

I have said it. (as in, "I have said it, many times.")

I could have said it.

I could not have said it.


You would never say "I of said it" so you wouldn't say "I could of said it."

The confusion for some arises from the contraction "could've" which sounds like "could of" when spoken, but is really a shortened version of "could have", the way "don't" is a shortened version of "do not".


For many years, it was a pet-peeve of mine when I'd see people write "could of" when it should be "could have" -- but in recent years, when more and more people type "UR" instead of "your", I don't really expect them to know the difference between your and you're.

I just find it funny, that an "Admiral" would be seen doing it.


qo’mey poSmoH Hol. “Language opens worlds.”
Motto of the Klingon Language Institute - www.kli.org

[WinterPark1701]

I wanted to be Fleet Captain Obvious...

And I want to be a pretty pretty princess but I don't see that happening for either of us.

[Sobekeus]

It's "couldn't have" not "couldn't of". I'm not picking on you in particular, but just the current instance of this phenomena.

It's "couldn't have". Let's break it down and see why....

I say it.

I said it. (as in, "I said it, once.")

I have said it. (as in, "I have said it, many times.")

I could have said it.

I could not have said it.


You would never say "I of said it" so you wouldn't say "I could of said it."

The confusion for some arises from the contraction "could've" which sounds like "could of" when spoken, but is really a shortened version of "could have", the way "don't" is a shortened version of "do not".


For many years, it was a pet-peeve of mine when I'd see people write "could of" when it should be "could have" -- but in recent years, when more and more people type "UR" instead of "your", I don't really expect them to know the difference between your and you're.

I just find it funny, that an "Admiral" would be seen doing it.


qo’mey poSmoH Hol. “Language opens worlds.”
Motto of the Klingon Language Institute - www.kli.org

You totally left out the rest of it...he couldn't have said it better than himself?

[UnknownGornCaptain]

At least there's a concise argument somewhere in this thread. Most of the arguments in favour of keeping rank names are along the 'why? because I said so' line of reasoning. The way I see it (as in this is my opinion, no need for tears) is from a business perspective.

Is the inability to call your character 'Admiral captain Yoda' going to stop you from playing STO? No, you'll be able to find an equally stupid name without a rank I'm sure.
Is a Trekkie going to continue playing STO if the last 5 ships they've come across are called 'Admiral Captain Yoda' (or something just as 'special') and all they want is to immerse themselves in the Trek universe? No, they'll throw a hissy-fit and quit playing because they wanted to play Star Trek not Spaceballs. Like it or not the community is a big part of an MMO and the way one person plays can affect someone else' gameplay a lot.

MMOs are big business and the more money there is to be made the better. Having a naming policy that suits everyone is more profitable than one which will ruin the game for a percentage of people. And no, a strict naming policy won't be the start of some downward spiral to some big brother scenario like someone mentioned earlier. Its just a naming policy.

It just comes down to how much you really 'need' that ego boost in your names. If your the leader of a fleet you're automatically have the rank of Admiral anyway. Its the equivalent of 'guild leader'. Not to mention that if you think your going to be as good as some of you think you are in STO you should have the individual rank of Admiral in no time.
This sounds actually very reasonable. Good argument!

[UnknownGornCaptain]

It's "couldn't have" not "couldn't of". I'm not picking on you in particular, but just the current instance of this phenomena.

It's "couldn't have". Let's break it down and see why....

I say it.

I said it. (as in, "I said it, once.")

I have said it. (as in, "I have said it, many times.")

I could have said it.

I could not have said it.


You would never say "I of said it" so you wouldn't say "I could of said it."

The confusion for some arises from the contraction "could've" which sounds like "could of" when spoken, but is really a shortened version of "could have", the way "don't" is a shortened version of "do not".


For many years, it was a pet-peeve of mine when I'd see people write "could of" when it should be "could have" -- but in recent years, when more and more people type "UR" instead of "your", I don't really expect them to know the difference between your and you're.

I just find it funny, that an "Admiral" would be seen doing it.


qo’mey poSmoH Hol. “Language opens worlds.”
Motto of the Klingon Language Institute - www.kli.org
English isn't my native language, so I'll make mistakes occasionally. But even I'm dissapointed sometimes by the spelling and grammar I encounter here.

This was quite obvious. Although I would have chosen a somewhat more gentle approach, I thank you for this. It would approve our general language skills if some more people would do this. But next time, maybe a more private remark?

[Deyvid]

You totally left out the rest of it...he couldn't have said it better than himself?

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[Torchar]

I just find it funny, that an "Admiral" would be seen doing it.




Did it occur to you that ranks might be awarded on the basis of commitment to our fleet and the input that a member gives? I highly doubt our Fleet Admiral would place any negative judgment on promoting a member who makes the occasional grammatical error when he types a message. Perhaps a certain level of responsibility would be required, or maybe good organizational skills would qualify them instead? Because I am fairly sure everybody who has ever been able to speak a language has made one or two grammatical errors in their life.

By your standards I guess that means that everybody in a position of responsibility, such as members of the armed forces, should be fired. I'd bet they have all made a grammatical error before and clearly if somebody makes a grammatical error then they cannot be fit for leadership or responsibility can they?

[Archangelwoghd]

That's true.
I know a guy who's first name is "Major". I bet he'd be really torqued off if some filter blocked out his first name!

[ZeframCochrane]

I second this.

Hittingsmoke, You have the best Avatar ever.

[wanobi22]

This thread needs to be closed, like... time now. A few people are bordering on trolling with their nose-in-the-air condescending choice of words.

Lets just leave it at:
"People will do what they will do, and unless it violates TOS or some other rule, things should be left alone"



Hows that sound?

[Torchar]

Agreed Captain Thorne. I just didn't like the way a member of my fleet was being treated by others.

PS Nice Kobayashi Maru Scenario. :)

[Cormoran]

I myself prefer to judge people on the content of their posts/quality of their gaming or roleplaying/storytelling rather than their username. But then i'm weird like that.

[WinterPark1701]

That's true.
I know a guy who's first name is "Major". I bet he'd be really torqued off if some filter blocked out his first name!

Major Major? Ever read Catch-22?

[Commander_Nate]

<-- This is actually my HS nickname and I use it for my username, here, on MLB.com, and several other places. Will I use it in-game?...Probably not, as I'd like my title to increase to match my experience and prestige.

[Dacrimara]

It *could* be considered cannon to self-promote yourself... remember in ST:IV (The Voyage Home)... when the Enterprise crew rescues Chekov from the hospital - they ask him his name and rank to make sure he's ok... he replies... "Name, Chekov... Pavel. Rank, Admiral."

However, he was kinda loopy at the time so maybe that doesn't count. :)

[Deyvid]

English isn't my native language, so I'll make mistakes occasionally. But even I'm dissapointed sometimes by the spelling and grammar I encounter here.

This was quite obvious. Although I would have chosen a somewhat more gentle approach, I thank you for this. It would approve our general language skills if some more people would do this. But next time, maybe a more private remark?

I tried not to sound like I was personally attacking or insulting him, and I was posting this correction for all those who have used that phrase, without being aware of the proper grammar. If I sent the correction to him as a private message, then others who may use that phrase would not see the accurate form.

The advice on correct phrase was meant for the community as a whole, not just to admonish or insult him individually.

There are also lots of people on forums all over the internet who either don't know or don't care about the difference between similar sounding words, like "there" and "their", "your" and "you're", "weather" and "whether", etc. If I see someone using the incorrect word for the idea they are trying to express, I'll often offer the correct version to help them -- it's not always meant as an insult or attack.

When there are numerous spelling or grammar errors, then it can sometimes be difficult to understand what the person is trying to say.

Agreed Captain Thorne. I just didn't like the way a member of my fleet was being treated by others.

PS Nice Kobayashi Maru Scenario. :)

I apologize if my post(s) were viewed as a personal attack on Admiral_Thrane. As I said at the beginning of my first post, I wasn't really trying to target him personally. I've seen many many people do that same thing ("could of"), even one of my very dear friends, and when I corrected her on it, she basically told me to go take a hike (although her exact phrase is not appropriate for these forums). And she still does it.

Some people are language nerds, who are sticklers for the rules of grammar, spelling, and punctuation; some aren't. Some people are math nerds. I suck at anything beyond beginning algebra. Math just wasn't something that appealed to me so I didn't pursue it. Some people may be the same with grammar and writing. Then, sometimes people may just be typing fast, and quickly hit the "Send" or "Submit" button without proof-reading what they wrote.

I personally don't base my level of respect for a person solely on their grammar and writing skills. I just found it mildly humorous that someone who espouses to be a high ranking official would use less than stellar grammar and/or spelling -- much the same as if a "Captain" or "Admiral" or "General" were to be seen using phrases like "lulz I pwned U n00b". I still wouldn't really know if they were a nice person or not, but it would look rather odd.

[wanobi22]

Agreed Captain Thorne. I just didn't like the way a member of my fleet was being treated by others.

PS Nice Kobayashi Maru Scenario. :)

Why Thank You!

[Captain_Intrepid]

My forum name is from one of my Rifts characters which was the basis for a character of mine in CoH, which I've used for a forum name there. I used it for Champions Online, and it carried over to this forum.

Makes it easier when it comes to communicating with the OCR or Devs, let alone anyone on both Cryptic game forums.

As for Forum or User Names, why should it matter, as long as there's no copy-right infringement (i.e. Captain Kirk, Picard, Sisko, etc.) nor something inappropriate, degrading, vulgar?

As for in-game ranking, that's only going to apply to characters in the game, not to the players or their forum handles. In this case, there are name filters that would be put in place when it comes to naming characters, just like most other games.

I'd make this same argument, regardless of my forum handle.

Anyway, if there is silliness in this thread, it's from the person who started it as a rant, and then claimed it's for fun after expressing the hope that it'd be flamed. And then proceeds to make fun of everyone that has a rank of some sort in their Forum handle of all things, regardless of whether they agreed with him or not about ingame character names.

[AdmGillis]

I use the rank Admiral because I run a group of over 200 trek rolepalyers on Second Life, encompassing an entire region and multiple full build starships.

This group exists in the STO timeline, and we will be bringing our people over to this game when it comes out.

I think, with the thousands of dollars I've put in supporting this group, and the countless hours I've put in running it, not to mention the tons of accounts I will be bringing to this game, more than make up for my rank.

Of course, I will not be using "AdmGillis" as a character name. It would be Ken Gillis. I'd hate to attain the Admiral rank, and be known as "Admiral Admiral Gillis".

[wanobi22]

I use the rank Admiral because I run a group of over 200 trek rolepalyers on Second Life, encompassing an entire region and multiple full build starships.

This group exists in the STO timeline, and we will be bringing our people over to this game when it comes out.

I think, with the thousands of dollars I've put in supporting this group, and the countless hours I've put in running it, not to mention the tons of accounts I will be bringing to this game, more than make up for my rank.

Of course, I will not be using "AdmGillis" as a character name. It would be Ken Gillis. I'd hate to attain the Admiral rank, and be known as "Admiral Admiral Gillis".

Which Starfleet group? I'm in Galaxy Fleet Command.

[AdmGillis]

Which Starfleet group? I'm in Galaxy Fleet Command.

Starfleet Command 2400. My in game name is Admiral Dyllon McMahon

[Torchar]

Admiral Gillis I think you just top trumped this entire thread with your first post. Congratulations Sir.

*smartly salutes*

[Varrangian]

Why is this even an issue? Usernames and Character names are not the same thing.... I'm so confused as to why people get their undergarments so tangled over the littlest things.