Klingon Empire- Vo'Quv Class

[Veglargh]

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/320

thanks for posting a Klingon Ship of the line. I hope that this a sign that PR will be stepping up with Klingon material.

[knightofhyrule730]

pretty impressive. I'm thinking, T4 warship? though i admit i dont know what classes the klingons have besides carrier (which this ship seems to have as well...)

[Dacrimara]

It's about time we got a new Klingon SotL. I finally got something NEW to blow up. :)

[MagnusTyrel]

Finaly a Klingon ship update, and what a ship! impressive... I may have to change my mind of only focusing on having a small BoP as my main ship... This thing looks vast enough to be a command ship and also prove to be a good base of operations for my research and development of new technology for the empire!

[Isengardtom]

nice one.

It looks like it's going to be one of the top ships

[Falin]

that's dang awesome ship, love the pics when you click on them too. much betetr SoL update than thsoe fed ones. :D

[DanSeale]

I'm not sure who the artist was behind this one .. BUT ! excellent work !

(can we have an "unworthy" smilley in here ? )

nicely done !

[Kyias]

all I can say is:

Wow, nice ship. I really like the thought put into this design as well as the role it is intended to fill.

In MMO terms, it looks like the "tank" ship, built to absorb hits for allies and deal some dmg on the side.

[Tamgros]

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/320

thanks for posting a Klingon Ship of the line. I hope that this a sign that PR will be stepping up with Klingon material.

Yeah, i found it odd they didn't make a thread for it after the article, so thanks for posting this thread Veg :)

I'm a fan of the design. I'd like to see what kind of control we have the fighters. I'm an RTS player so I like to micro. Either way, I think fighters make sense, and I like the fact that they are attempting to make more 'tanking' rolls have viability in PvP (or it at least appears that way).

[Cassious]

Scarry one ,with this new klingon line of fleet aproach ,i belive the variation to the gameplay will become more aparent as with this type of ships klingons will have some superheavies to protect , coordinate , centerstone their fleets .

But the federation i believe will have less big but more self sufficient style of play in fleet actions at least .

Also i see this ship forming "haunting " packs with 4 other B'rel or k'Vorts.

But i'd hate to see the Starfleet countermeasure being another carrier ship i'd prefer something special in the course of counter fighter , Maybe a special role for old but fast tier 1 ships ?

[Teleon]

Ouch! That thing is nuts. From its description it is certainly going to be able to put out and take punishment.

[Greenomen]

WOOT!!! Thanks Cryptic.

[evan.is.weyoun]

Heh, I can see me now taking my Vo'Quv class ship against 3 Galaxy classes and winning.

[Stonez]

I don't like it, but I will find immense pleasure from blowing it to pieces.
:D

[Spacemanspiff]

Can't wait to get me one of those. Now i want to know more about how boarding parties work, can't remember if the explained that or not yet. Nice update Cryptic, keep em coming!

[pdidy]

It looks like one of the Andorian ships in Enterprise.

[Griffin]

It is a beautiful for sure, nice work devs!

As for those fighters and raiding parties, I'm inclined to think they will resemble a 'DoT' (Damage over time). Basically, it appears we will be able to summon fighter craft or troop transports and send them over to targetted ships. They will likely have largish cooldowns, due to the travel times involved and each type of small craft attack will do different damage.

Troop transports = Crew damage
Fighter craft = Hull/subsystem damage

perhaps we may even get a 'HoT' (Heal over time) wereby repair shuttles are summoned to remotely repair or regenerate energy to a ship.

etc

(non of the above if confirmed, it's purely speculation)

[Jester20]

Thats one hell of a Klingon to have off your starboard bow:D

Look at the size compared to the new NX-91001

Vo'Quv
Length 1272 meters
Draft 218 meters
Beam 704 meters

NX-91001
Length 692 Meters
Draft 92 Meters
Beam 253 Meters

Almost twice the size.......

[Napalm006]

This ship equals WIN!

[Rekkert]

I was waiting for Cryptic to put a forum thread, but aparently they forgot.:D
I love it! 1,272 meters, It's a monster!
I'm not too sure about the fact that it's almost entirely made of parts that look like from the Ent era, but, I like them and I guess they'll be customizable.
Now show us views of the other SOTLs!:D

[deerang]

This ship is awesome ! I'll run if i see one of these coming :)

[Avantos]

Glad to see some love for the Klingons. :)

Looks like a monster...

The problem is, they give out info like this, and then I WANT MORE!!! *chuckles*

[IanD967]

that's dang awesome ship, love the pics when you click on them too. much betetr SoL update than thsoe fed ones. :D

HOLY S**T!! Falin is actually happy about something?? :eek: *faints in shock*

Thats one hell of a Klingon to have off your starboard bow:D

Look at the size compared to the new NX-91001

Vo'Quv
Length 1272 meters
Draft 218 meters
Beam 704 meters

NX-91001
Length 692 Meters
Draft 92 Meters
Beam 253 Meters

Almost twice the size.......

oh god! :eek: now THAT sounds like it will bash alot of heads

dreading to go against this in my now puny Nebula class

although....beg's the question wheither or not the Fed's have got atleast one ship the same size (not the same role though)

[marscentral]

That ship is a beast!

[JJung]

/drool :eek:

Will definitely have to have both a Fed and a Klingon toon. That's a sexy beast!

[flttopbox88]

Whoever it was that wanted capital ships, well it looks like we got one here.

I wonder what the Federation counterpart will be. Something's got to be able to take this behemoth mano a mano. NX-91001 maybe?

[Reinkaos]

A.w.e.s.o.m.e.

[Trekboy10901]

That is one heck of a ship. Makes the Sovereign look like a tinker toy. I wonder what the Federation equivalent will be?

[Cassious]

Well it may be huge and scarry but it should be managable by a prometheus cofiguration or something even deadlyer :rolleyes:

Btw did you noticed ?

""
Increased engine efficiency allows the Vo'Quv to travel great distances before the dilithium crystals must be realigned, and the ship carries electronic countermeasures capable of hampering enemy sensors. The Vo'Quv has the energy necessary to use these countermeasures even when cloaked.

After a battle, two of the Vo'Quv's cargo bays can be converted to engineering stations to help a fleet prepare for the next fight. And while no Klingon ship is designed for comfort, the crew of a Vo'Quv enjoys some small luxuries unavailable to warriors on smaller ships, such as holodecks for battle training and stasis units that keep gagh and other live food fresh for extended periods of time.

However, the Vo'Quv's main purpose is as a warship, and it should not be considered a support vessel. The Vo'Quv leads the fleet, taking the heaviest hits and dealing devastating strikes in return. Multiphasic shield generators give the Vo'Quv layers of protection during a fight, and ablative neutronium alloy armor adds additional layers of security. Some Vo'Quv's have even been outfitted with Paratrinic shield generators for additional defense. No Vo'Quv has ever been destroyed by a ramming attack.
""

I belive this may be the first mutlypurpose ship we've know so far made by the KDF something that could be seen as a Cruiser type but with full BO complement onboard .


""
The KDF is assigning its most decorated captains to Vo'Quv ships, and many admirals and generals have claimed them as flagships.
""

Possible rank requirements ?

[Commander_Nate]

AWESOME!!!!! This is making me lean towards playing Klingon now...

I too wonder what the Federation equivilent will be? Plus, what about the NPC factions for starters, like the Romulans and Cardassians?

I doubt it would be the Sovereign or NX-91001, they seem too small.

I also wonder if this is going to be one of those "fleet only" ships that takes a while to make?

[cocoa-jin]

Not bad...not bad at all. Im also very pleased to see new Klingon content. I actually got excited, but at the same time, part of me realized its a gorgeous and impressive model wasted on a 2D, superficial maneuver, combat and damage model.

Like a pretty girl with no brains, I couldnt expect to commit to this for much more than a couple of months. So what's the point? In the meantime, I'll just sit back and ogle her and imagine how great things could be "if"...from a distance.

[Isengardtom]

Quote : The Vo'Quv can launch salvos of trained pilots in To'Duj-class fighters to harry its foes, leaving them vulnerable to the Vo'Quv's torpedoes and disruptors. Twelve troop transporters carry boarding parties to an enemy ship.

Interesting ! I like these possibilities

[KashikoiBaka]

Am I the only one getting a Firefly vibe off of this ship?

[Reinkaos]

Thankyou Cryptic :)

[IanD967]

Quote : The Vo'Quv can launch salvos of trained pilots in To'Duj-class fighters to harry its foes, leaving them vulnerable to the Vo'Quv's torpedoes and disruptors. Twelve troop transporters carry boarding parties to an enemy ship.

Interesting ! I like these possibilities

well it IS a carrier after all :) what kind of carrier doesnt carry a bunch of fighters?

[KashikoiBaka]

well it IS a carrier after all :) what kind of carrier doesnt carry a bunch of fighters?

Honestly, this is how I imagined the creator of the Akira actually wanted his ship to be like.

[mwood1387]

Damn Impressive. Makes me reconsider sticking to a BoP for my tour with the KDF. If I ever have one of these I'll be one happy Klingon.

[Reinkaos]

"No Vo'Quv has ever been destroyed by a ramming attack."

Haha :D

[Trsmash]

Originally I have been all about joining up with the Federation. But after readding about the new Vo'Quv class I am really considering switching over to the Klingon Defense Force. I mean I also adored the Raptor Class, but it wasn't enough to make me turn away from the Federation.

But now..... Man, the Feds need a nice new class coming out to keep me persuaded, otherwise I might just go over to the KDF. Today IS a good day to die!!!

**NOTE: It's not JUST a Carrier, it is a Super Carrier.

[Reinkaos]

Can't wait to take on this beast in my Defiant!

[Teleon]

"No Vo'Quv has ever been destroyed by a ramming attack."

Haha :D

CRAP! They took away my last ditch tactic. :mad: LOL! :p

[KO_Gilligan]

This warms both of my hearts :D

[Rekkert]

BTW I've just realised: To'Duj class fighters, could they have something to do with the NuQ'Duj class fighters from the ST: Armada games?

[IanD967]

Honestly, this is how I imagined the creator of the Akira actually wanted his ship to be like.

i think the creator of the akira was thinking his ship was going to the be NX class in Enterprise's Alternative universe :D haha

serioulsy though: yeah the akira was meant to be a carrier but....somehow they dont fit within the Federation

[Elboulevardo]

best SotL hands down, from either side...and im very partial to the Federation! that is one IMPRESSIVE vessell! im gonna be sure to have some buddies with me should i ever face one in combat...sheesh!

[IanD967]

**NOTE: It's not JUST Carrier, it is Super Carrier.

he says while sporting a heavy russian accent in the manner of the heavy from TF2 :D

[DarkOrion69]

This Vo'Quv is a whole lot of ship. I had not previously considered commanding a humongous Klingon Assault Carrier. I like the general design despite seeing similarities to Firefly (a show I despise). Interesting that it has ablative armor and meta-phasic shielding. If Generals and Admirals have been grabbing the Vo'Quv as flagships it is likely to be on the highest tier in STO. I wonder how maneuverable and fast it will be at impulse velocities?

[Falin]

I see this as a "Base Buster"

it's tactic, Fly in cloaked to striking range, decloak, hit base before shields can be raised full. Launch fighters to fend off defending crafts, use the massive 12 troop transporters to beam the thousands of troops onboard the Base for the assault. meanwhile still poundingt he bases's systems and other ships in area as well.

definatly a role for it and a small fleet of ships.

[trebort5050]

It's..... beautiful!

I want it.

Shame I'm not going to be a Klingon :(

[Rgoodfel]

I am concerned with the luxurious nature of this ship. I has the possibility of letting some Klingons to go soft. I believe it is wise to only issue them to battled hardened crew and comanders. It will not let all the luxury to go to their heads.

Overall a worthy addition to the Empire's fleet.

[KiraYamatoX20A]

This is a pretty cool-looking ship--I might have to try a Klingon Alt when the game comes out.

However, my favorite Star Trek Ship of all time is the Defiant--and I think the Defiant-Class could use an update (I don't mean an update in the site, I mean an update as in a new class based on it). So, Cryptic--where's the Defiant update?

[Onyx135]

:eek::eek: I have been thinking to myself lately that the klingons are going to be completely outnumbered by the number of people that are going to be playing as the federation. Two reasons this ship ends this thought
1: The Federation has a lot more different cool ships. This ship will bring a LOT of people into the klingon ranks.
2: even if there are fewer klingon ships. with a thing like that the federation stands no chance.

[Cassious]

I am concerned with the luxurious nature of this ship. I has the possibility of letting some Klingons to go soft. I believe it is wise to only issue them to battled hardened crew and comanders. It will not let all the luxury to go to their heads.

Overall a worthy addition to the Empire's fleet.

I wouldn't be so sure about that , they may even put some Orion slave girls in there ,
They may get too comfortable. ;)

[Swordopolis]

No Vo'Quv has ever been destroyed by a ramming attack.

LOL, almost sounds like the devs are issuing a challenge. :D

[Dogbertious]

That is a terribly impressive vessel! I love the design, which keeps close to the 'traditional' Klingon design but has an interesting twist with those large hanger bays. It will be interesting to see how such a ship performs in battle, but I also love the ability to fuction as a support vessel in between battles.

A worthy update indeed!

[mwood1387]

LOL, almost sounds like the devs are issuing a challenge. :D

Perhaps it works both ways'? A recoiless ramming attack? Maybe this thing is a Klingon snow plow...

[MagnusTyrel]

Perhaps it works both ways' A recoiless ramming attack? Maybe this thing is a Klingon snow plow...

LOL id love it if that were true!

"Guns were we are goign we dont need guns!" *Rams through fleet*

[DarkOrion69]

LOL, almost sounds like the devs are issuing a challenge. :D

Maybe no one ever rammed it with enough ships at once :)

[Reinkaos]

So it's roughly this big (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/compare.jpg) in comparison to the NX-91001? :eek: 1272m vs a paltry 692m :o

[Satisfication]

Awesome ship. Knowing the Klingons have something like this in their arsenal makes me thnk twice about wanting to play as the Federation.

[mwood1387]

Maybe no one ever rammed it with enough ships at once :)

Then even if it goes down its done its duty and taken several Federation ships with it. :P

[flttopbox88]

So it's roughly this big (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/compare.jpg) in comparison to the NX-91001? :eek: 1272m vs a paltry 692m :o

Wow... :eek::eek:

[Reinkaos]

Maybe no one ever rammed it with enough ships at once :)

Haha, lets just fight it near some Jem'Hadar :p

[Teleon]

So it's roughly this big (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/compare.jpg) in comparison to the NX-91001? :eek: 1272m vs a paltry 692m :o

Yes, but remember size isn't everything. The VO'Qov has hanger bays that amount to large amounts of storage room for more unfriendly stuff.

Point in case, yes the ship is very large but that doesn’t mean she has large amounts of fire power or maneuverability.

I am thinking that whilst this ship is very impressive it will be most vulnerable at its port and Starboard sides; do to its immense size and probably slow turn speed; wherefore a ship can stay out of its torpedo arches.

However, don’t get me wrong. Its vulnerability should not be over or underestimated! It appears you may still be under disruptor fire, fighter craft fire and all with the threat of being boarded.

So in my opinion its shear size is its weakness. It certainly won’t be hard to miss it with torpedo’s.

[Powercrisis]

mmmmmm.... sexy. I had my heart set on running a fed, but after this baby popped up, I just don't know anymore.

[DarkOrion69]

Wow... :eek::eek:

Apparently, EVERYTHING'S BIGGER IN QO'NOS...including this ship :)

[Falin]

nope, the artcle states they have Omni-directional Disruptor Beam Arrays, this ship is a power hosue no matter what dirction you hit it from.

[Vicelance]

I'll have to get one for my Klingon captain. I'm going to assume this is the Tier four carrier and if it's not I never want to run into what is without a fleet.

As for never being destroyed by a ramming attack does that mean flying and NX-91001 at full impulse into it's hanger bays won't work? I'll have to give it a try some time just to prove it is possible.



Cryptic could we see a video of this ship versus the NX-91001?

[Reinkaos]

Yes, but remember size isn't everything. The VO'Qov has hanger bays that amount to large amounts of storage room for more unfriendly stuff.

Point in case, yes the ship is very large but that doesn’t mean she has large amounts of fire power or maneuverability.

I am thinking that whilst this ship is very impressive it will be most vulnerable at its port and Starboard sides; do to its immense size and probably slow turn speed; wherefore a ship can stay out of its torpedo arches.

However, don’t get me wrong. Its vulnerability should not be over or underestimated! It appears you may still be under disruptor fire, fighter craft fire and all with the threat of being boarded.

So in my opinion its shear size is its weakness. It certainly won’t be hard to miss it with torpedo’s.

Good point, and its size is why I want to peck away at it with a small nimble ship like a Defiant :) destroy its tractor beams and stick close to it nibbling away :D

It will certainly be interesting to see how large battles involving these beasts play out, what kind of tactics come into play when trying to destroy what's basically a starbase with warpdrive :)

Must be like a four-course meal for the Borg :p

[Teleon]

Good point, and its size is why I want to peck away at it with a small nimble ship like a Defiant :) destroy its tractor beams and stick close to it nibbling away :D

Actually I’d keep some distance from it. The description said it had tractor beams capable of holding most ships. You wouldn’t want to be caught in one of them wherefore you’d be force fed torpedo’s now would yeah?

[Powercrisis]

Perhaps it works both ways'? A recoiless ramming attack? Maybe this thing is a Klingon snow plow...

"You don't [need a gun], rosebud me old son. You need me"

~Bullet-Tooth Tony

[Frost-Storm]

That thing is a mammoth! Think I found my Klingon main :)

[Aerial_Ace]

All those energy-based weapon and defensive systems? I've gotta get my Vulcan Science Officer and Ferengi Engineer to double time that "plasma disruption pulse" weapon. I need it installed, before the Lobster Heads manage any sizable build up.

[DanSeale]

That thing is a mammoth! .....

It's not a mammoth .. it's an opossum

:D

[DarkCel]

That ship's impressive indeed ! May I just voice a concern about this ship being maybe too much multi-purpose ? Does this mean the Klingon faction will have less ships than the Federation ? Or will this ship be a must have in high level content ? Hopefully I'm just too concerned. ;)

[Reinkaos]

I wonder what its variants, specialties and cosmetic options look like :o

[Swordopolis]

Originally I have been all about joining up with the Federation. But after readding about the new Vo'Quv class I am really considering switching over to the Klingon Defense Force. I mean I also adored the Raptor Class, but it wasn't enough to make me turn away from the Federation.

But now..... Man, the Feds need a nice new class coming out to keep me persuaded, otherwise I might just go over to the KDF. Today IS a good day to die!!!

**NOTE: It's not JUST a Carrier, it is a Super Carrier.

Awesome ship. Knowing the Klingons have something like this in their arsenal makes me thnk twice about wanting to play as the Federation.

mmmmmm.... sexy. I had my heart set on running a fed, but after this baby popped up, I just don't know anymore.

That thing is a mammoth! Think I found my Klingon main :)

THIS is what I've been talking about. Look how much interest has been taken in the Klingons because we finally got an info release for their side.

This should help ease the seeming disparity between players/fleets in the two factions

[Mjoellnir]

It looks well. But what the hell is ablative neutronium alloy armor? Neutronium is probably the hardest substance in the Star Trek Universe (nearly indestructible), and in Voyager the Federation (and I believe the Borg too) were unable to process it. Now the Klingons use an alloy as ablative armor? What weapons does the Federation have now? Or was it an answer to the Borg-enhancements of the Romulans?:D:D:D

[KO_Gilligan]

Wow... :eek::eek:

It actually makes a D'deridex look small... :o

[Teleon]

It looks well. But what the hell is ablative neutronium alloy armor? Neutronium is probably the hardest substance in the Star Trek Universe (nearly indestructible), and in Voyager the Federation (and I believe the Borg too) were unable to process it. Now the Klingons use an alloy as ablative armor? What weapons does the Federation have now? Or was it an answer to the Borg-enhancements of the Romulans?:D:D:D

It is an alloy… meaning not in its pure form. Therefore it probably is not processed but added with other metals or materials to create the mixture. Thus its bonds can be penetrated or broken down. Still probably a very tough material; so it isn’t nearly indestructible just tough stuff. :cool:

[Kel-Morian]

One thing I saw mentioned was that it can fire both photon and quantum torpedoes. I think quantum were fed side only?

[Rgoodfel]

I wouldn't be so sure about that , they may even put some Orion slave girls in there ,
They may get too comfortable. ;)

I suspect this ship has Federation meddling, I demand a full investigation!

[vp21ct]

Heh, All you big houses can keep your massive carriers. Their good for big engagements and kicking down doors. But its so much better to let your enemy weaken himself first and then come out to fight you.

I'll wait and see what else they have before I decide a main.

[Deyvid]

Thanks for the Klingon ship! :) That ship looks sweet (visually as well as story, stats).

It will be interesting to see more information about the fighters, like how many fighters are available to the Vo'Quv, do we always launch all fighters or could we decide how many to launch at a given time, whether we launch all or a portion of our fighters will they all act as a single unit (same "orders" and target) or can we send some fighters at the Soverign and some fighters at the Akira, etc. etc.

Will the Vo'Quv need to decloak before launching fighters or can that be done while cloaked?

I can't wait to see this behemoth flying around with several Birds of Prey buzzing around it, and a Vor'cha on either flank, and the fighters swarming around. That will be awesome.

[Leonidus]

Must...resist...urge to.....oh to hell with it! DEATH TO THE FEDERATION, LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!! :p
all joking aside that is one colossal ship, well done cryptic. Now get your butts back to work and give us some more klingon info! :D

[Swordopolis]

One thing I saw mentioned was that it can fire both photon and quantum torpedoes. I think quantum were fed side only?

In 2379, that was true. But I find it highly unlikely that over this much time, the technology wasn't shared, stolen, independently researched, reverse-engineered, etc.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Im glad the Klingons have a sturdy little fighter bay vessel lol

They been long due one in ships of the line shes cool for an enemie

(underestimate at your own risk)

[ransomwk]

It strikes me as a ship meant to be in a formation, while it may be capable on its own, at the center of a group she could really shine. I can see an aggressive tactician wanting her at the front of a formation, but she may be better off slightly forward of center. Somewhere she can make good use of her support abilities while still being forward enough to be a direct threat to opposing forces.

This ship sounds like it can provide a strong presence in dps, support and staying power. This would make her a priority target, but taking her out might be tricky. If she's resilient enough to hold her own under heavy bombardment, the other ships in her formation would have an opportunity to do enough damage, that the loss of the Vo'Quv wouldn't be crippling. Stand off attacks and strong formation discipline would be key to taking out a Klingon carrier group, and if the ship really is strongest as part of a formation, then the best way to take out a Vo'Quv would be to remove her escorts from the equation. Federation fleets might need to form special attack groups to take on these things. Perhaps if they could stay just out of range, and force the Klingons to give chase, the feds could slowly whittle away at the carrier group by taking on the fighters and any ships foolish enough to stray from the formation and attempt to engage the fed formation alone.

Then again, a flight of tier 3/4 tactical ships from the feds, maybe 2-3 prommies focus firing on the Vo'Quv during high speed slashing attacks, might be enough to break up a Klingon formation. If not for the current system damage mechanic, they would theoretically be able to knock out the whole carrier group by concentrating on the Vo'Quv's engines, forcing her to a crawl, and forcing her escorts to slow as well rather than leave her to her own devices against a large task force of Federation ships. This could still be accomplished with the complete destruction of the engines on the Vo'Quv, but such would require much more effort and sacrifice. Probably easier to make such attacks on the escorts them selves to try to draw them off and make easy picking of them.


Regardless, the presence of one of these on a battle field should be strategically significant....depending on how their combat system works out on both the large and small scale.

[Swordopolis]

Will the Vo'Quv need to decloak before launching fighters or can that be done while cloaked?

*imagines a horde of fighters pouring out of a seemingly nondescript point in space*

[KO_Gilligan]

Heh, All you big houses can keep your massive carriers. Their good for big engagements and kicking down doors. But its so much better to let your enemy weaken himself first and then come out to fight you.

I'll wait and see what else they have before I decide a main.

Bah... All that clever strategy is for movies. Give me the Biggest Gun and we don't need no stinking cloak.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

I like the new perspective + 3-view SotL format. Please keep it! :D

[ransomwk]

Heh, All you big houses can keep your massive carriers. Their good for big engagements and kicking down doors. But its so much better to let your enemy weaken himself first and then come out to fight you.

That's the Romulan way, Klingons are all about big engagements and kicking down doors. :D

[overlordthor]

Okay, nice ship, a little on the bulky side for my tastes, but better then the Negh'var, I never likied the basic Negh'var look(or the Fek'Ihr).

It seems to be a nice well rounded ship, big ships should have wide arcs for weapons, I like the sound of the ramming survivability, but I don't think I'll be diving into a Cube, unless I have no other choice.

I think people should stop equating ships out to being T1, T2, T3, T4... And think in terms of the class of starship vessel instead, while leaving a little room open, some ships that are smaller classes are nearly as nice as a class above them.



As for those fighters and raiding parties, I'm inclined to think they will resemble a 'DoT' (Damage over time). Basically, it appears we will be able to summon fighter craft or troop transports and send them over to targetted ships. They will likely have largish cooldowns, due to the travel times involved and each type of small craft attack will do different damage.

Troop transports = Crew damage
Fighter craft = Hull/subsystem damage

perhaps we may even get a 'HoT' (Heal over time) wereby repair shuttles are summoned to remotely repair or regenerate energy to a ship.

etc

(non of the above if confirmed, it's purely speculation)

Also, I dont think people should equate this with other standard MMOs, in simple terms of damage over time, and heal over time.

I'd be much more inclined to compare the fighters to some other games that have you scramble fighter craft. The game already has similarities to the Starfleet command series, which allowed you to launch fighters that acted like tiny ships under computer control, and subject to some of your commands, if you compare them with anything from MMOs, I'd say fighters would be like pets, only they die and you have to replenish them at a starbase, or somewhere.

The engineering idea, okay, nice, I definitely find it interesting, perhaps it speeds up some simple repairs on the ship outside of combat so you can be ready for your next fight in case something pretty soon, I cant imagine small ships have much self repair ability, and are forced to go back to a starbase all the time.

The energy management references, thats interesting, makes me really think they may have you manage your energy in long term voyages, so you cant do things like remain constantly cloaked or keep shields up 24/7, making it necessary to replenish energy or avoid using high energy draining abilities all the time.

[Wardog00]

This ship is incredible! I am very excited to claim command of one of these fierce warrior ships. Thank you Cryptic for the Klingon update! This ship will bring much Honor to my house and the Empire!

[Arsinoe]

Finally a klingon ship.:D

[overlordthor]

I still will be very fond of my Bird of Prey (hopefuly both B'rel and K'vort. Nothing compares with what might be the fastest and most maneuverable ships, and not to mention stylish.

[Commander_Nate]

What if....

Cryptic released more than 1 ship at a time? :eek:

Crazy I know, but I think it's doable.

[Traveller]

nice ship,makes a change beign a Klingon one.
Cant wait to take one in Combat.

[aprilbow]

Just wanted to join in on the drooling. So, *droool*. :D
This thing is really nuts, over a kilometre long, fighters, omni directional attack, cloak. Poor feds hehe

Also, I like the different perspectives to click on!

[kellyicus]

this ship is such bs. NUETRONIUM ARMOR WHAT!@#!@# how in the world could klingons ever make nuetronium when 95% of there civ is wariors if the federation doesnt have it they certainly should especially in just 30 years. maybe in 2507 but not 2407

[TruthSeer]

Great update. What I want to know is, how many fighters are in a "salvo"?

Am I the only one getting a Firefly vibe off of this ship?

Ya kinda. From the front view in I can kinda see a BSG Raptor, kind of.

I see this as a "Base Buster"

it's tactic, Fly in cloaked to striking range, decloak, hit base before shields can be raised full. Launch fighters to fend off defending crafts, use the massive 12 troop transporters to beam the thousands of troops onboard the Base for the assault. meanwhile still poundingt he bases's systems and other ships in area as well.

definatly a role for it and a small fleet of ships.

When I was reading this the first image that popped into my head was Battlestar Gatactica, when the Galactica jumps into orbit of New Caprica.

It is a beautiful for sure, nice work devs!

As for those fighters and raiding parties, I'm inclined to think they will resemble a 'DoT' (Damage over time). Basically, it appears we will be able to summon fighter craft or troop transports and send them over to targetted ships. They will likely have largish cooldowns, due to the travel times involved and each type of small craft attack will do different damage.

In regards to boarding parties I agree, though I'm hoping we'll have some control over fights, something similar (but much improved) to the City of Villains Master Mind class.

[Stronin]

I won't be focusing on Klingons but I'm glad Cryptic threw some nice bones for the Kling Klings to chew on hehe.

[Reinkaos]

It's gotta have a 2-metre exhaust port somewhere. My proton finger's getting itchy.

[Basicacorn]

Great update!

[overlordthor]

this ship is such bs. NUETRONIUM ARMOR WHAT!@#!@# how in the world could klingons ever make nuetronium when 95% of there civ is wariors if the federation doesnt have it they certainly should especially in just 30 years. maybe in 2507 but not 2407

You are underestimating Klingon intelligence, the Klingons are very dedicated to combat yes, but the do a lot of development of their own combat systems. Klingon Scientists are more combat oriented then the Federation scientists, but they still have a lot of them. Klingons have a Variety of crew positions, even doctors, engineers, and all that. They are an intelligent race, just more aggressive and combat oriented. They have been space faring longer then Humans as well.

I also liked one touch they had in voyager to, if you recall the final episodes, which on the whole were iffy, but one nice touch was that a Klingon developed the very effective time travel device, allowing her to time travel without the bizarre slingshot maneuvers, black holes, and all that. Not a federation scientist.


If you cannot grasp that Klingons are intelligent, then you might also consider that they could have acquired technology from conquered races who have been integrated into the Empire, like the Gorn.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

However, the Vo'Quv's main purpose is as a warship, and it should not be considered a support vessel. The Vo'Quv leads the fleet, taking the heaviest hits and dealing devastating strikes in return. Multiphasic shield generators give the Vo'Quv layers of protection during a fight, and ablative neutronium alloy armor adds additional layers of security. Some Vo'Quv's have even been outfitted with Paratrinic shield generators for additional defense. No Vo'Quv has ever been destroyed by a ramming attack.


It makes me think that theres so many similarities to a sovy in its shield and armour abilities ..

its almost like the federation helped the klingons build it lol

And the more i think about it the scarier this vessel is. My favourite vessel is an Intrepid, these are 345 metres in length and this ship is 1200 metres

thats scary stuff

Even the Sovy is only 685 metres http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sovereign_class

mmm this is gonna hurt a bit lol

[Reinkaos]

Imagine the Vo'quv ramming you :p

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

It's gotta have a 2-metre exhaust port somewhere. My proton finger's getting itchy.

haha love it well find it together :p

[Stronin]

It makes me think that theres so many similarities to a sovy in its shield and armour abilities ..

its almost like the federation helped the klingons build it lol

And the more i think about it the scarier this vessel is. My favourite vessel is an Intrepid, these are 345 metres in length and this ship is 1200 metres

thats scary stuff

Even the Sovy is only 685 metres http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sovereign_class

mmm this is gonna hurt a bit lol

I sooo wish they had put a Intrepid or Akira next to it haha. I'd love to see the scale difference.

[Deyvid]

I sooo wish they had put a Intrepid or Akira next to it haha. I'd love to see the scale difference.

Imagine a Defiant-class ship buzzing around it like a mosquito.

[Stronin]

Imagine a Defiant-class ship buzzing around it like a mosquito.

They really need to release a combat video!

[Tylor_Liles]

this ship is such bs. NUETRONIUM ARMOR WHAT!@#!@# how in the world could klingons ever make nuetronium when 95% of there civ is wariors if the federation doesnt have it they certainly should especially in just 30 years. maybe in 2507 but not 2407

maybe in the next update the federation will have a bigger faster ship with nuetronium armor,and we have slipstream drives in 2409,and so far the klingons have regular drive so if necessary we can outrun them if we can't outgun em.

Oh no Picard, this is as real as your so called life gets-Q to Picard After The borg cut into the ENTERPRISE hull resulting in the deaths of 18 crewman.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

It would certainly be a difference lol ..

i think ill use the best part of valour if my sensors pick up one of these and get out of dodge lol

Maximum Warp

Helmsman: where to captain?

5 light years from that ship until the fleet arives then well go bk in

i can imagine asking people for help and them making up excuses when they here whats there lol

erm my dilithuim crystals are empty

id love to of helped but kneelix has set the mess hall on fire were going in for repairs

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

They really need to release a combat video!

hehe u woukldnt even see the defiant lol

and yes eves coming up with some amazing videos at the moment be so cool to get some great ones of STO

[NateGrey]

Meh. I'm not impressed. Ship is ugly and too bulky. I woul've liked to see something larger and more
' advanced looking ' . This looks like an old freighter from the 2360s. I guess I'm more into grand looking capital ships.

[IIntrude]

I would just like to add myself to the list of those who previously thinking of going Fed, but now thanks to this simple update are now committed to fighting for the honor of the Klingons.

I had been debating for some time if the lure of the BoP was enough to draw me to the KDF, now with the release of this ship, my mind is made up.

[overlordthor]

Meh. I'm not impressed. Ship is ugly and too bulky. I woul've liked to see something larger and more
' advanced looking ' . This looks like an old freighter from the 2360s. I guess I'm more into grand looking capital ships.

I do agree with you its a bit on the bulky side, at first glance I thought it was a freighter. But I didn't like the look of the Negh'var either. Nothing beats the old Bird of Preys, followed by the Vorcha, and K'tinga and D-7s(all very nice). I dont like the Raptor class either, it looks too...flat? http://media3.startrekonline.com/img/raptor.jpg The Raptors side things where disrupters commonly are, also look a little too... curved to me, like they tried to make them to sleek and failed.

[Swordopolis]

What if....

Cryptic released more than 1 ship at a time? :eek:

Crazy I know, but I think it's doable.

I can imagine there being a dual update when details on the factions' respective starter ships are finalized.

[DanSeale]

hehe u woukldnt even see the defiant lol

and yes eves coming up with some amazing videos at the moment be so cool to get some great ones of STO

I'd volunteer to help with the PvP stuff !

:D:D:D

[FrankieDoo]

This warship is an even greater threat to the entire Alpha & Beta Quadrants. I recommend that every STO non-Klingon fleets ships never travels alone and get all of our Federation ships upgraded with Voyager armor that Janeway brought back from her future self.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

fits a few tricolbalt devices that outa do it

[Flatfingers]

Goodness.

At over 1200 meters, this thing is more than twice the length of a Galaxy. As a carrier, presumably a big percentage of its interior space is dedicated to the storage, repair, and launching of fighters, rather than primary and heavy weapons... but still. Yeesh.

Now what we need to know is the standard complement of To'Duj-class fighters, the launch rate, and the number of active fighters that can be controlled at one time.

Starfleet Intelligence has their work cut out for them. :)

--Flatfingers

[Avenger_Dragon]

One thing I saw mentioned was that it can fire both photon and quantum torpedoes. I think quantum were fed side only?

Considerint ENT made Photon torpedos a klingon weapon stolen by starfleet instead of independantly designed, who knows. I'm not comfortable with the klinks having quantums either. I would rather keep each sides as unique as possible. Most games that have mirrored units and abilities are less likely to be fun as those that have the rock/paper/scissors balanced style of play.

I can see the typical loadouts:

Feds have phasers, photons and quantums

Klingons have pulsed disruptors, torpedoes, Polaron Torpedoes (i know it's not cannon, but activision seems to swear by them) maybe include the ion cannon, not too sure about that

Romulans have Beam Disruptors, Light/Medium/Heavy plasma torpedoes

Cardassians: Compression beams, Torpedoes, and some kind of low-blow dirty special weapon

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

I'd volunteer to help with the PvP stuff !

:D:D:D


Well im betting cryptic know that were all screaming out for a new video, with some of the new ship clases cgi'd up a bit lol

bet we dont have to wait to long for something special

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

I would just like to add myself to the list of those who previously thinking of going Fed, but now thanks to this simple update are now committed to fighting for the honor of the Klingons.

I had been debating for some time if the lure of the BoP was enough to draw me to the KDF, now with the release of this ship, my mind is made up.

well forgive me but are you not being a little bit ahead of your self

i mean if ur really on the fence and not sure what faction to join then you should be waiting till we know about all the ships of the line before making a proper decision i mean if your like me you will spend a great deal of time playing the game so dont decide just because you think one side has a bigger boat lol The federation might surprise you yet

Im commited to the Federation but im saying if theres people who are really not sure they should wait till we know all the facts before you go down any main route. No disrespect to either side

:p

[TheDrifter]

I bet it'll look awesome blowing up.

Anyway...its a decent model, but I cant help but think it would look better with a more Vor'Cha texture/color scheme.

I bet the player base custimizes much nicer looking versions than that one.

[Duckdee]

**NOTE: It's not JUST a Carrier, it is a Super Carrier.
This is not just a Klingon warship, this is an M&S Klingon warship.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

This is not just a Klingon warship, this is an M&S Klingon warship.

lol funny

[overlordthor]

I think the choice shouldnt come down to specific ships in the game either, but to the general playstyle of the factions and races. The Klingon playstyle is being stealthy, maneuverable, strong forward firepower(some exceptions, particularly on the larger ships). Federation playstyle is a little more balanced, widespread firing arcs(some exceptions), and not very stealthy.

They've also mentioned the Klingons will be a lot more pvp oriented, which while I see where that idea is coming from, I hope we will a lot of federation pvp options, even "simulated" battles between federation ships where we have rewards equivalent to Klingon vs Klingon pvp.

due to how much larger that it is then the revealed federation ships, I'm betting we will see some large Federation vessels of comparable size.

[mwood1387]

This is not just a Klingon warship, this is an M&S Klingon warship.

Couldn't help but laugh at that joke :)

On the note of people jumping on the Klingon bandwagon. You should probably wait until you know a majority of the factions line-ups before making your decision. Just because its bigger doesn't mean it'll be better than the Federations equivalent. Like the description says. "It dominates all but the most fearsome of foes". You can bet at least one of those foes will be a Federation ship.

[Reinkaos]

I'm betting on the Defiant (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/compare-1.jpg) in this fight :D

[Flatfingers]

due to how much larger that it is then the revealed federation ships, I'm betting we will see some large Federation vessels of comparable size.

I was thinking the same thing.

My guess is that the equivalent Starfleet ship in the Escort group will be a dreadnought that's around 900-1000 meters in length, with the most advanced shielding, computing, sensors, weapons, and specials (tractor beams, transporters, etc.) in the gameworld, rather than just greater numbers of everything.

(Personally, I'd love to see Starfleet field a mauler class. Given the relatively advanced technology of the Federation, I would not want to see one of those coming at me if I were an opponent.)

But the idea of both a "super carrier" and a dreadnought in the Escort group raises a question for me: will there be equally impressive ships at the top of the Cruiser and Science groups?

--Flatfingers

[mwood1387]

I'm betting on the Defiant (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/compare-1.jpg) in this fight :D

My new goal in life is to come out of warp next to a Defiant class in one of these :D

[IIntrude]

well forgive me but are you not being a little bit ahead of your self

i mean if ur really on the fence and not sure what faction to join then you should be waiting till we know about all the ships of the line before making a proper decision i mean if your like me you will spend a great deal of time playing the game so dont decide just because you think one side has a bigger boat lol The federation might surprise you yet

Im commited to the Federation but im saying if theres people who are really not sure they should wait till we know all the facts before you go down any main route. No disrespect to either side

:p

I am a sucker for Carrier ships. In Eve, I fly them almost exclusively, even though i could afford something bigger and better. Also I should explain a bit more...I love the BoP, I think it is by far the sexiest ship in all of the ST universe.

Over the last few months however I have been worried that the Klingons would be grossly outnumbered. I was on the fence because I do love the Federation and their style, I had my Trill Captain all planned out. But now with the release of this ship I see a new wave of interest in the Klingons. Also note that I never said i would be flying this newly released ship. Though I adore Carrier ships, I like the idea of being a cloaked Bird of Prey secretly laying in wait with a few other BoPs as we keep a stealthy watch over this massive carrier.

That is what made my mind up, seeing a ship that I would love to be an escort to. Me and a few other friends fly cloaked alongside our other friend in a Carrier as we try to lure the Feds into engaging the "lone" behemoth. That brings a smile to my face and is all the pull I need to join the KDF.

[overlordthor]

My new goal in life is to come out of warp next to a Defiant class in one of these :D

My goal will be to destroy the defiant without firing a shot, so either ram it or let the fighters have their fun.

[STOFan]

I would like to thank Cryptic for sharing another Klingon design with us. I would like to point out that the multiple views are very nice, they really help give an idea of the lines of the ship.

[mwood1387]

My goal will be to destroy the defiant without firing a shot, so either ram it or let the fighters have their fun.

If its possible I'll probably tractor it in to the nearest sun :D

[USS_Parallax]

What the heck. How could what we THINK is tier 4 for the Federation even stand up to that? It's almostr twice as long as a Sovereign and looks like it would be 4 times as massive.

Super Carrier?

OMGosh I am confused!

[IIntrude]

If its possible I'll probably tractor it in to the nearest sun :D

How about seeing how many of the thousands of Klingon Warriors the Vo'Quv carries, will fit on the Defiant at the same time? :D

[mwood1387]

How about seeing how many of the thousands of Klingon Warriors the Vo'Quv carries, will fit on the Defiant at the same time? :D

I like the way you think sir!

[Reinkaos]

Vor'quv vs borg cubes :eek:

[knightofhyrule730]

What the heck. How could what we THINK is tier 4 for the Federation even stand up to that? It's almostr twice as long as a Sovereign and looks like it would be 4 times as massive.

Super Carrier?

OMGosh I am confused!

well we dont know what all the T4 ships are going to be. For all we know the T4 Crusier (according to Zinc, the Crusier class will be the largest in size) will be 1300000000 feet long. im attaching a wait and see approach to see what well get to combat it.

and hey, if there is no ship thats that big for the Federation, fine. You know for sure that this ship wont be able to turn faster than a snail, nor will its acceleration be any good either. Sure, it can hit warp 8, but how fast can it move when its in combat. that is simple physics.

I still hold that there is going to be some kind of weakness that while wont make the ship soloable, it should make it so that it wont be an automatic loss for the feds. I still hold the idea that the shields will be weakest in the aft. and yes, i have read the article, i know its go strong shields and stuff.

[cptestrow]

This ship is a monster! And it looks cool. I look forward to being pasted by it in whatever dinky century old bucket of bolts Starfleet decides to issue me.

[Arsinoe]

What the heck. How could what we THINK is tier 4 for the Federation even stand up to that? It's almostr twice as long as a Sovereign and looks like it would be 4 times as massive.

Super Carrier?

OMGosh I am confused!

Love the new Avatar :D

[USS_Parallax]

This is basically a Klingon version of a Scimitar... kind of. And a little late too. :p



Love the new Avatar :D

Everyone does.

[USS_Parallax]

Where does this leave the Negh'var? Tier 3? The thing is still a powerhouse and should probably be in the same tier as the Sovereign. Is the Sovereign tier 3? XP

[moessner]

nice looking ship!

[Mr_Terrian]

First I like the ship but is it just me or does that ship look like it came out of the BSG universe.

I see alot of the Galactica in that ship.

[vitali]

Good thing the devs released some klingon info cause with the way they were treating the faction, the ratio of fed players to klingon players would be 50-1

[ByYourCommand]

First I like the ship but is it just me or does that ship look like it came out of the BSG universe.

I see alot of the Galactica in that ship.

As do I. Makes me kinda want to be Klingon -- after all, something's gotta act as a lure to even the numbers, as I presume most will want to be Federation (the heroes of Star Trek).

Then again, why does Starfleet never have anything that big and badass? And where's the Vesta-class explorer in all this?

[Reinkaos]

I really hope there isn't a Federation "version" of this ship, or anything near 1km long for the Feds, personally. They should make there be a reason you pick either Fed or Klingon; "Want that supercarrier? Go Klingon" :p .

Instead of pandering to people so that you can get your massive 1km long carrier no matter if you're Klingon or Federation, as I think that would just water down the game and result in less individuality of the factions and just have peope picking factions for the looks over the way they play and the advantages they offer.

I'm sure the Feds will have something awesome that will make Vo'Quv Captains think twice though, just hopefully not a supermassive carrier :D

[Powerhelm]

Wow, an original design! It's about time (though I'm not done Enterprise so maybe it's another rehash from there)...

Looks neat. Hate the idea of fighters but whatever. I dig it's design and everything.

We were told that there wasn't much Klingon stuff because you weren't working on Klingons yet. Does this mean the basic stuff for the Federation is done?

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

How about seeing how many of the thousands of Klingon Warriors the Vo'Quv carries, will fit on the Defiant at the same time? :D

They will be beaming over for tea and biccys right ?

[KashikoiBaka]

.... I had a rather disturbing thought. What about the variants of this beast that use that extra space that is currently being used for pilots and personnel and holo decks... and fill up that space with more weapons/shields/power sources? Presumably there would be a variant like that in this game.

[USS_Parallax]

The Defiant could probably fit within it's fighter launcher things...

[KashikoiBaka]

It has been mentioned already but seriously, if you take the wings off of her, she looks like the Galactica.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Where does this leave the Negh'var? Tier 3? The thing is still a powerhouse and should probably be in the same tier as the Sovereign. Is the Sovereign tier 3? XP

You know i was thinking that as well, its a great qeustionand i think it answers a qeustion , i think it tells us that the sovy is not the best ship we can get there is defiantly a brand new flagship for the feds, it has to be to make any sense

[THORN74]

awesome.... i really love the way they gave us multiple angles of the ship. its really nice looking.

[kellyicus]

You are underestimating Klingon intelligence, the Klingons are very dedicated to combat yes, but the do a lot of development of their own combat systems. Klingon Scientists are more combat oriented then the Federation scientists, but they still have a lot of them. Klingons have a Variety of crew positions, even doctors, engineers, and all that. They are an intelligent race, just more aggressive and combat oriented. They have been space faring longer then Humans as well.

I also liked one touch they had in voyager to, if you recall the final episodes, which on the whole were iffy, but one nice touch was that a Klingon developed the very effective time travel device, allowing her to time travel without the bizarre slingshot maneuvers, black holes, and all that. Not a federation scientist.


If you cannot grasp that Klingons are intelligent, then you might also consider that they could have acquired technology from conquered races who have been integrated into the Empire, like the Gorn.

oh i totaly undersstand that they have the ability todo it , like i said maybe in 2507. consider that the klingon emnpire is one single race. the federation has around 200 with over a trillion people moslty sciencey. it would seem that the federation would have nuetronium b4 or at least at the same time. especially when you consider how vast the resource allocation is to starfleet in the dominion war the fed. had more than 5 times the ships as klingons the only reason they are up to par with fed ships is becuase they ships are all weapons ans manuevrability and the fed ships are mainly for science and exploration. but they still can compete and best the klingons. i understand the need to make the ships equal in ways but nuetronium common. according to federation lore thats something only the most advaced races have usually after 1000s of years of spacefareing. NOW if they wanted to make up an imaginarey alloy and say its strong like nuetronium id be just fine with that.

[kellyicus]

and another point about nuetronium and makeing the ships equal. in the shows federation weapons have never been able to even scratch anything made outta nuetronium so how is armoring a monster klingon ship makle the races equal even a soveirgn technically speaking would barely be able to hurt it

[KashikoiBaka]

and another point about nuetronium and makeing the ships equal. in the shows federation weapons have never been able to even scratch anything made outta nuetronium so how is armoring a monster klingon ship makle the races equal even a soveirgn technically speaking would barely be able to hurt it

Because its a game, the nuetronium got nerfed, much like the big super powerful hero ships had to be nerfed.

[Anichent]

It looks like a shuttle....I like the concept, not the design. It's really ugly to be the lead Klingon ship. An by ugly I mean un-Klingon looking...

[Calid]

Wow. Super Klingons. Fighters will add an interesting
mix into the Frey

[Liberty]

While there is nothing wrong with the ship design. I tend to like the classic look of the old D-7 cruiser and its relatives. It would be nice to have one ship that looks similar to the old D-7? The federation has new ships that resemble the old Constitution class. Why can't the Klingon race have a ship that also appears similar to the D-7. I always thought the frontal view of the D-7 with a glowing torpedo tube was intimidating. The new ships just seem to lack that intimidating look. Or, at least thats my opinion. Maybe I'm a minority here. Anyways, hope to see at least some of the classic look to Klingon ships besides just the Bird of Prey. Oh, but thanks for the update. Its good to finally see Klingons getting some ships.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

I have to say the flaw of this ship is in its speed,

The Most advanced vessels in the fleet can go to almost warp 10 warp 9.95/9.98

But these vessels are designed to be fast, such as the shape of the Intrepid and the Promethuis etc, Now this Klingon monster is just short of 4 times bigger than an intrepid ship and yet it can go at warp 9.8

I think thats not only wrong but its making a mockery of start trek in some respects, dont get me wrong its great for klingons but theres no way this thing can go that fast

Think of the weight its ass is pulling through space never mind its structure which is hardly aerodynamic is it

and it says that its dilithuiim usage allows it to go further well thats rubbish as anything this big would actually need to use 5 times the resources like dilthuim etc to do the same job so how can its resources help it last longer when something that much bigger is gonna need more fuel >?

they said they would stay true to star trek and this is not true or thought out

plus something that big even if it has counter measures the sensor distortions and the warp trial of a ship that huge and using that much fuel would be detectable i bet !! its a weak spot if any thing

[BalzOnYer4Head]

It looks like a shuttle....I like the concept, not the design. It's really ugly to be the lead Klingon ship. An by ugly I mean un-Klingon looking...

I cant say I agree. Klingon ships have always been frumpy, "function over form" kind of vessels. (Except for the Raptor, meow baby!) For a super carrier, this is what I would imagine them to come up with. Another frumpy yet menacing ship.

I cant wait for the day when that thing decloaks off the port bow of my Miranda. Can anyone say respawn? :p

[ByYourCommand]

...

Think of the weight its ass is pulling through space never mind its structure which is hardly aerodynamic is it

...

Ships don't have to be aerodynamic in space. There's no air resistance. Similarly, in STO, we should be able to cut engines and drift indefinitely on momentum alone (and maybe rotate as we drift to face pursuers going backwards but using our forward weaponry).

The only problem would be the acceleration. High speed should be possible, but that ship is so huge and ungainly that smaller, more nimble ships should give it fits. (Defiant, anyone?)

[aprilbow]

I have to say the flaw of this ship is in its speed,

The Most advanced vessels in the fleet can go to almost warp 10 warp 9.95/9.98

But these vessels are designed to be fast, such as the shape of the Intrepid and the Promethuis etc, Now this Klingon monster is just short of 4 times bigger than an intrepid ship and yet it can go at warp 9.8

I think thats not only wrong but its making a mockery of start trek in some respects, dont get me wrong its great for klingons but theres no way this thing can go that fast

Think of the weight its ass is pulling through space never mind its structure which is hardly aerodynamic is it

and it says that its dilithuiim usage allows it to go further well thats rubbish as anything this big would actually need to use 5 times the resources like dilthuim etc to do the same job so how can its resources help it last longer when something that much bigger is gonna need more fuel >?

they said they would stay true to star trek and this is not true or thought out

plus something that big even if it has counter measures the sensor distortions and the warp trial of a ship that huge and using that much fuel would be detectable i bet !! its a weak spot if any thing

Sounds to me like the praised federation engineers just can't figure out how the mighty klingon empire accomplished this admittedly unheard of feat. Do I hear fear in your voice?

[SelorKiith]

Similarly, in STO, we should be able to cut engines and drift indefinitely on momentum alone (and maybe rotate as we drift to face pursuers going backwards but using our forward weaponry).


Star Trek had never Newtonian Movement... and it wouldn't fit into a Star Trek Game... more for Something like Babylon 5 ;)

[Anichent]

I cant say I agree. Klingon ships have always been frumpy, "function over form" kind of vessels. (Except for the Raptor, meow baby!) For a super carrier, this is what I would imagine them to come up with. Another frumpy yet menacing ship.

I cant wait for the day when that thing decloaks off the port bow of my Miranda. Can anyone say respawn? :p

But they also look dangerous and intimidating....not fat and lazy looking

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Ships don't have to be aerodynamic in space. There's no air resistance. Similarly, in STO, we should be able to cut engines and drift indefinitely on momentum alone (and maybe rotate as we drift to face pursuers going backwards but using our forward weaponry).

The only problem would be the acceleration. High speed should be possible, but that ship is so huge and ungainly that smaller, more nimble ships should give it fits. (Defiant, anyone?)

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp7YofKQtBs

[Swordopolis]

First I like the ship but is it just me or does that ship look like it came out of the BSG universe.

I see alot of the Galactica in that ship.

Thank god I'm not the only one. I think it's the nose of the ship which looks the most similar.

[ByYourCommand]

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

They're designed to better harmonize with the warp-field geometry and structural concerns. Space is very empty; there is no need to be aerodynamic in space because there is no air resistance. TV physics in Star Trek are a crock.

Voyager's shape had nothing to do with that. If your ship is going to get hurled at speeds "off the scale", there'll be some mighty acceleration involved -- which the ship's structure was never designed to handle.

The Klingon juggernaut could concievably make Warp 9.8 -- after all, Borg cubes regularly exceeded that -- but its acceleration would be much slower than a smaller vessel. Plus, it would be highly unmanoeuverable and a massive target.

[mwood1387]

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

If structural integrity, mass and aerodynamics were truly a problem in Star Trek the Borg would never have made it out of their own star system. Massive engines and inertial dampeners can pretty much explain it all away and all within the boundaries of what is considered 'Star Trek'.

[Trekkie]

Even as someone that doesn't plan on playing a Klingon, this is one impressive-looking ship even if its appearance isn't quite as sleek as some of the Federation designs that have been released. I'm definitely not looking forward to fighting against this one in combat, that's for sure.

[overlordthor]

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

Well, the ship apparently has an advanced engineering and warp core, as described with its more advanced dilitium matrix or whatever, the bulky-ness of it doesn't matter at all in space and warp drive. Klingons do have advanced engines, the Bird of Prey was supposed to be able to reach warp 9.8 (unsure which size variant), this is one of the more advanced Klingon vessels, but its apparently not the fastest, its fuel system is larger and more advanced then most giving it increased range. (both larger given its size, and more advanced giving it an added advantage.


As for the Neutronium armored hull, well, the Dominion used Neutronium in at least 1 facility to protect it from bombardment. In voyager a variety of species used Neutronium, including the Vidiians (organ stealing guys). Using Neutromium is advanced, and this is a recent Klingon advancement. The federation may have a version of the armor that Janeway had in the future and gave to voyager. Both sides weapon systems will he a little more advanced as well.

Klingons are very widespread (not as large as the federation, but they have a very large population), and have been spacefaring for a very long time. They have many scientists (focusing in combat related areas generally but not only pure combat things), they are intelligent. They do have a lot of races they have conquered, perhaps not fully integrated into the military or political structures, they may still have some functions in the Empire. Klingons are very capable of research and development, this is one of there more advanced modern developments, perhaps we'll see a new torpedo system as well (poloron, or something else). They just dont have the widespread budget and resources of the Federation, and less interest in less combat related subjects.

[Trsmash]

It may not look very sleek compared to Federation designs, but I don't think that any Federation design they make that makes any comparison to the size of this Super Carrier will be all that shapely in design either. I mean this ship is nearly two times the size of the new NX Sovereign look alike. While that ship is both massive and somewhat shapely to the eyes I don't think that any Federation design that can compare in size will look nearly as nice. But if they can do it, that will be amazing.

[KashikoiBaka]

They're designed to better harmonize with the warp-field geometry and structural concerns. Space is very empty; there is no need to be aerodynamic in space because there is no air resistance. TV physics in Star Trek are a crock.



Space isn't actually that empty, which is part of why trek ships need navigational deflectors and should we really decide to go out past mars we would need something similar or that lil particulate would screw up our ships considering the speed they would need to go at to get anywhere.

[overlordthor]

Space isn't actually that empty, which is part of why trek ships need navigational deflectors and should we really decide to go out past mars we would need something similar or that lil particulate would screw up our ships considering the speed they would need to go at to get anywhere.

But that isnt really a matter of resistance, like our "air"craft have air resistance.

Your talking of micrometeorites and all that, they dont really slow you down so much as damage you, which is why ships have navigational deflectors.

High warp and breaking apart is more a mater of structural integrity, having a strong hull and parts that will hold together, the neutronium hull will help hold the ship together, in addition to the structural integrity fields it has.

If a bird of prey can stay together in warp 9.8, then I think this can. aerodynamics don't matter. I wish it were less bulky looking though, it does look like a freighter.

[Voyager24]

Like the ship its fantastic.!

[selrik]

Kinda reminds me of a Battlestar a bit.

Have fun with your new ride Lobster heads!

[RemyBlack]

/drool
ooohhhhh...SSSparkles :) I'ts so purty. This has made choosing a faction much, much harder. hehe. Great ship. Nice job cryptic.

[SeanNewBoy]

Absolutely Stellar!:D

[Konrad9]

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

Good sir, if you want to be a nerd, BE A NERD.

When a ship goes to warp, it does not move, it moves the space around it, or 'warps' the space around it.

Henceforth and therefore, a ship can go at any speed so long as its engines are powerful enough.

The only problem with going at warp, is if your warp drive suddenly fails you *are* moving at fast, so you're pretty screwed.

[Chillee]

Paratrinic shields? Reference to no ship lost by ramming afterwards. Is this some sort of repulsor field to prevent ramming?

A Klingon vessel with omnidirectional beam weapons akin to a modern Federation starship's phaser arrays? Interesting, as it will imply that some Klingon ships will have full field of fires making strafing runs (i.e. like in a BoP) unnecessary. In addition, omnidirectional weaponry will make the CONCEPT OF ROLLING TO EXPOSE WEAPON ARCS MOOT.

[Stu1701]

Very nice. I love the new ship. It's nice to see something new for the Klingons.

[KO_Gilligan]

In voyager for instance when Kes pushes Voyager free from Borg space in the episode The Gift, Voyager is hurled at speeds off there instuments scale but the speed compramises structural integrity,

Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

Ahhh, but they're running 25th century Slick50 (owned by Ferengis now - we use their ArmorAll product on the upholstery as well). The Feds are still using inferior Government Contract product.

... the only reason we don't run the Voquv at 9.9 is it starts to fishtail a bit.

[journeyman]

Impressive ship. Similar to WW II Yamato or Bismark. As they say here on Earth "The bigger they are the harder they fall."

[Avenger_Dragon]

Impressive ship. Similar to WW II Yamato or Bismark. As they say here on Earth "The bigger they are the harder they fall."

or in space... "The brighter the fireworks when they go up."

I can just imagine the fed equivalent being named the "Invincible" Titanic, gets hit by an asteroid, and the rest is history

[KO_Gilligan]

As they say here on Earth "The bigger they are the harder they fall."

Except in Texas, or certain parts of Russia, in which case they say "We will squish you like a bug, tiny man."

[KO_Gilligan]

By the way, did you say there's a way I can trick that thing out with a few small Microtransactions?

*Ducks*

[Roadhammer1701]

Awsome ship, i might have to make it my flagship as well.

I see my fleet arranged like:
(depending on what ships are available to have)

1- Vo'Quv
2- Negh'Var
4- Vor'Cha
6- K'Vort
8- B'rel
8- Raptor

I think this would be an unstoppable fleet, that would leave a path of destroyed ship in its wake.

[Swordopolis]

By the way, did you say there's a way I can trick that thing out with a few small Microtransactions?

*Ducks*

Vo'Quv with 21" spinning rims!

[vp21ct]

But they also look dangerous and intimidating....not fat and lazy looking

The intimidation factor will come from it kicking your ass. So yeah.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

No one else has mentioned wat we spoke of earlier and i thinks its a massive point !

To now we have figured the Soveriegn and the Nech'var were Tier 4 batleships the creme de la creme of both fleets,

Now with this new Quvor taking Tier 4 that means the Nech'Var is Tier 3

This meaning the Soveriegn is only Tier 3

which can only mean that theres a new Federation Flagship for all the federation players that must be pretty advanced it would have a similer defensive and destructive number as the new Klingon Big Daddy even if its not the same size or build!

There not gonna let one side be able to be god like compared to the other, there will be an even match down the line of both factions each side being able to counteract the other and who wins is down the skill and piloting of you as well as how well you have ranked ur bridge officers and kitted out your ship

[Kriss]

No one else has mentioned wat we spoke of earlier and i thinks its a massive point !

To now we have figured the Soveriegn and the Nech'var were Tier 4 batleships the creme de la creme of both fleets,

Now with this new Quvor taking Tier 4 that means the Nech'Var is Tier 3

This meaning the Soveriegn is only Tier 3

which can only mean that theres a new Federation Flagship for all the federation players that must be pretty advanced it would have a similer defensive and destructive number as the new Klingon Big Daddy even if its not the same size or build!

There not gonna let one side be able to be god like compared to the other, there will be an even match down the line of both factions each side being able to counteract the other and who wins is down the skill and piloting of you as well as how well you have ranked ur bridge officers and kitted out your ship

Why does there have to be a direct match? The Fed was never about having the biggest/baddest ship with the most guns. Sure, they might have a little bigger ship than the Sov class but the Feds strength has always been numbers. And it sure will be in this game as well.

All things being equal at this point in time, we know that the Fed will have numbers superiority in the game. I mean, just look at the fleets, memberships, etc. Its a given.
We also have been told, the Vo'Quv is a ship that was used by fleet admirals and the top-tier officers. So one could relate this directly to only the top officer ranks getting access to this ship. You will probably have to one hell of a high standing with the Klingon Empire to get your paws on one of these. Not to mention the loyalty points you'll need to purchase it. So I would not expect a LOT of these in the game for quite awhile.
Even though this new ship has some pretty advanced weapons.defensive systems, the Feds also have always had the upper hand in tech. So I would expect that a number of people will have some darn good weapons/defenses themselves when they go up against one of these things. If they don't well.....not our fault :)


Long live the Empire!!!

[erkenbrand001]

Am I the only one that thinks this thing looks ugly .. ya the stat's are sweet , but it dosnt have the Klingon look to it ... it dosnt have the "I'm Klingon ship , dont mess with me look" ..and were are the weapons? ..you cant see them .....ahh ????? the piont of the Klingon ships is to see the massive weapons .. I'm sorry Cryptic ..but I just dont like the look ... But I do have to thank Cryptic for adding new Klingon material. It is much appreciated...

[Drexxus3d]

Scarry one ,with this new klingon line of fleet aproach ,i belive the variation to the gameplay will become more aparent as with this type of ships klingons will have some superheavies to protect , coordinate , centerstone their fleets .

But the federation i believe will have less big but more self sufficient style of play in fleet actions at least .

Also i see this ship forming "haunting " packs with 4 other B'rel or k'Vorts.

But i'd hate to see the Starfleet countermeasure being another carrier ship i'd prefer something special in the course of counter fighter , Maybe a special role for old but fast tier 1 ships ?

How about a destroyer-type ship mounted with many times more weapons than the average ship, but each of them being weaker than the average ship as well, design philosophy being attacking multiple weak targets at once, or focusing all weapons on a single bigger target for roughly the same effectiveness.

Im more curious as to the strength of the fighters, like could your fighters alone take out enemy ships easily or are they more of a slight DPS boost whereas your disruptors and torpedoes are still your primary method of attack? Also im hoping your fighters will have warp capability and extremely long range so the carrier can send them after ships that are much too far away to fight the actual carrier.

[Swordopolis]

Am I the only one that thinks this thing looks ugly .. ya the stat's are sweet , but it dosnt have the Klingon look to it ... it dosnt have the "I'm Klingon ship , dont mess with me look" ..and were are the weapons? ..you cant see them .....ahh ????? the piont of the Klingon ships is to see the massive weapons .. I'm sorry Cryptic ..but I just dont like the look ... But I do have to thank Cryptic for adding new Klingon material. It is much appreciated...

The side view is a bit of a departure, but the front view is classic bird-of-prey, except scaled waaaay the hell up. It looks good.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Why does there have to be a direct match? The Fed was never about having the biggest/baddest ship with the most guns. Sure, they might have a little bigger ship than the Sov class but the Feds strength has always been numbers. And it sure will be in this game as well.

All things being equal at this point in time, we know that the Fed will have numbers superiority in the game. I mean, just look at the fleets, memberships, etc. Its a given.



Long live the Empire!!!



Because it would not be a playable game if one side was tactically better than the other

There will be things done so that federation are not the only players in the game you would be stupid to think its just going to be federation flying about, cryptic them selfs and npc etc can help make up any odds

And god like factions are hated by players so the federation will have another ship just wait and see it i think you know this and your just moaning as you dont want it to be right lol

But even if they didnt get whats bound to be coming, Id feel pretty confident in my sovereign with my buddys if needed against any foe

[Falin]

The side view is a bit of a departure, but the front view is classic bird-of-prey, except scaled waaaay the hell up. It looks good.

I'd say it's more reminicant of the D5 class from enterprise scaled up massively.

[Loekii]

Nice SoL.

Some phrases I hope has some relevance to gameplay:

Increased engine efficiency allows the Vo'Quv to travel great distances before the dilithium crystals must be realigned

They said no fuel, but perhaps ships will need to return to Base periodically for 'Realignment'?

carries electronic countermeasures capable of hampering enemy sensors.

Cool. Electronic Warfare might be in.

cargo bays can be converted to engineering stations to help a fleet prepare for the next fight.

could be an indication that 'healing/Repair' from other ships happens 'out side combat', rather than in the middle.

[Swordopolis]

They said no fuel, but perhaps ships will need to return to Base periodically for 'Realignment'?

Perhaps further modified by the skills/level of your Chief Engineer?
And perhaps you may start to suffer engine/power performance issues if you haven't been back at base for a while?

[Angelphoenix12]

i knew if we waited for a new klingon class ship it would be cool :D. It was way worth the wait. keep up the gret work cryptic :D

[JoJimGregory]

That's a sweet ride. :)

[Halciet]

Nice ship, it looks very similiar to the Battlestar Galactica.

[vestigal]

I have to say the flaw of this ship is in its speed,

The Most advanced vessels in the fleet can go to almost warp 10 warp 9.95/9.98

But these vessels are designed to be fast, such as the shape of the Intrepid and the Promethuis etc, Now this Klingon monster is just short of 4 times bigger than an intrepid ship and yet it can go at warp 9.8

I think thats not only wrong but its making a mockery of start trek in some respects, dont get me wrong its great for klingons but theres no way this thing can go that fast

Think of the weight its ass is pulling through space never mind its structure which is hardly aerodynamic is it

and it says that its dilithuiim usage allows it to go further well thats rubbish as anything this big would actually need to use 5 times the resources like dilthuim etc to do the same job so how can its resources help it last longer when something that much bigger is gonna need more fuel >?

they said they would stay true to star trek and this is not true or thought out

plus something that big even if it has counter measures the sensor distortions and the warp trial of a ship that huge and using that much fuel would be detectable i bet !! its a weak spot if any thing


Oh god where to begin. You're complaining about a Weight(WTF) vs speed problem in a fictional universe. Tell you what you go watch encounter at far point and watch the cube overtake the enterprise. This thing definitely doesn't have the mass of a cube.

Secondly there is no weight in space. Its mass. There is no such thing as aerodynamics in space. Its not aerodynamic enough? Once again I refer you to the Borg cube chase down.

Next Ill address your "fuel" problem. Have you ever noticed that in every single one of the ships regardless of size the warp core is roughly the same size? Well except for the dilithium chamber in the voyage home...but lets not talk about that. Its a matter/antimatter Rxn shunted into creating a warp bubble. Same **** for every ship.

and for its detection...really dude? really. Have you even watched star trek at all? The Scimitar was huge and had a Thalaron weapon system not to mention the bazillion disruptor banks which it was capable of firing while cloaked, and still being virtually undetectable. Cloaking devices have come a long way obviously

Star Trek had never Newtonian Movement... and it wouldn't fit into a Star Trek Game... more for Something like Babylon 5 ;)

I would direct you to the episode "The Arsenal of Freedom" where they separate it at warp and the saucer section continues to travel at that speed for a great length of time
.

[overlordthor]

No one else has mentioned wat we spoke of earlier and i thinks its a massive point !

To now we have figured the Soveriegn and the Nech'var were Tier 4 batleships the creme de la creme of both fleets,

Now with this new Quvor taking Tier 4 that means the Nech'Var is Tier 3

This meaning the Soveriegn is only Tier 3

which can only mean that theres a new Federation Flagship for all the federation players that must be pretty advanced it would have a similer defensive and destructive number as the new Klingon Big Daddy even if its not the same size or build!

There not gonna let one side be able to be god like compared to the other, there will be an even match down the line of both factions each side being able to counteract the other and who wins is down the skill and piloting of you as well as how well you have ranked ur bridge officers and kitted out your ship

Sorry to burst your bubble but starfleet and the Klingon Empire are always building larger and more powerful ships. The most powerful Federation ship was the Galaxy, and then they created the Sovereign class, it wasnt much larger (not ass big, but its longer), but its newer and better. The Vorcha was the best until the Negh'var came out, now they both may have a newer and larger vessel, perhaps several larger vessels, but that doesnt mean the old ships will no longer be used.

Just because its huge doesnt mean the Federation vessel is going to be the same size, a lot of this ships space is dedicated to fighters and boarding ships. It is likely that we will see some that can match it in a fight, but unless the federation has a dedicated carrier like this ship, it likely wont be as big. Thinking in terms of size... not always perfect comparison.

Stop thinking in Tiers, open up a little bit, start thinking about that roles the ships fit instead.

This is the super carrier, you might equate this out to a Heavy Battleship perhaps battleship
The Negh'var might fit the Battleship role (not heavy battleship, could be a heavy cruiser now)
Vor'cha, Cruiser
Raptor, Destoyer
K'tinga, Light Cruiser (destroyer role now if its service?)
K'vort, Light Cruiser
B'rel, Frigate

I know, this is a pretty crude idea, not exactly where they fit, but its the idea. I hope we see a lot more ships, fitting in between the cracks, they might not use the really old style K'tingas, they are a little outdated, but they might be updated, perhaps we'll see a new ship based on the design of the D-7s and K'tinga.

As time goes on what was once a "battleship" or a "heavy cruiser", a new ship will be built for the battleship role and it gets reclassified as a "cruiser" (and updated so the systems are modernized, but they cant make it larger)

Edit: you can get more detailed as say attack cruiser, or escort, or scout, or battle cruiser and all that, but I tried to get the super basic idea down.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Oh god where to begin. You're complaining about a Weight(WTF) vs speed problem in a fictional universe. Tell you what you go watch encounter at far point and watch the cube overtake the enterprise. This thing definitely doesn't have the mass of a cube.

Secondly there is no weight in space. Its mass. There is no such thing as aerodynamics in space. Its not aerodynamic enough? Once again I refer you to the Borg cube chase down.

Next Ill address your "fuel" problem. Have you ever noticed that in every single one of the ships regardless of size the warp core is roughly the same size? Well except for the dilithium chamber in the voyage home...but lets not talk about that. Its a matter/antimatter Rxn shunted into creating a warp bubble. Same **** for every ship.

and for its detection...really dude? really. Have you even watched star trek at all? The Scimitar was huge and had a Thalaron weapon system not to mention the bazillion disruptor banks which it was capable of firing while cloaked, and still being virtually undetectable. Cloaking devices have come a long way obviously

I would direct you to the episode "The Arsenal of Freedom" where they separate it at warp and the saucer section continues to travel at that speed for a great length of time
.

The Borg use technology from millions of species they can do stuff no other race can do to compare them to this is uteer madness and shows ur complete stupidy

and if a ship goes to fast its strutural integrity is effected and in space ships are designed in different ways to excel in different things

Stop picking faults in things all i see you do is moan moan moan in these forums - do one as im sick of ya

[harden007]

I think the Raptor looks better, because I like sleekness. However no Klingon would chose asthetics over power, so bring out the behemoths.

[Santiaghoul]

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/320

thanks for posting a Klingon Ship of the line. I hope that this a sign that PR will be stepping up with Klingon material.

Reminds me of the B-10 Battleship from Star Fleet Battles board game. I loved both the game and the ship.

[overlordthor]

The Borg use technology from millions of species they can do stuff no other race can do to compare them to this is uteer madness and shows ur complete stupidy

and if a ship goes to fast its strutural integrity is effected and in space ships are designed in different ways to excel in different things

Stop picking faults in things all i see you do is moan moan moan in these forums - do one as im sick of ya

Whats so structurally weak about this ship that would give it problems in high warp? How is a Borg Cube structurally weak in Warp?

"It looks bulky so it must have a weak structural integrity field"? Bull----.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Sorry to burst your bubble but starfleet and the Klingon Empire are always building larger and more powerful ships. The most powerful Federation ship was the Galaxy, and then they created the Sovereign class, it wasnt much larger (not ass big, but its longer), but its newer and better. The Vorcha was the best until the Negh'var came out, now they both may have a newer and larger vessel, perhaps several larger vessels, but that doesnt mean the old ships will no longer be used.

Just because its huge doesnt mean the Federation vessel is going to be the same size, a lot of this ships space is dedicated to fighters and boarding ships. It is likely that we will see some that can match it in a fight, but unless the federation has a dedicated carrier like this ship, it likely wont be as big. Thinking in terms of size... not always perfect comparison.

Stop thinking in Tiers, open up a little bit, start thinking about that roles the ships fit instead.

This is the super carrier, you might equate this out to a Heavy Battleship perhaps battleship
The Negh'var might fit the Battleship role (not heavy battleship, could be a heavy cruiser now)
Vor'cha, Cruiser
Raptor, Destoyer
K'tinga, Light Cruiser (destroyer role now if its service?)
K'vort, Light Cruiser
B'rel, Frigate

I know, this is a pretty crude idea, not exactly where they fit, but its the idea. I hope we see a lot more ships, fitting in between the cracks, they might not use the really old style K'tingas, they are a little outdated, but they might be updated, perhaps we'll see a new ship based on the design of the D-7s and K'tinga.

As time goes on what was once a "battleship" or a "heavy cruiser", a new ship will be built for the battleship role and it gets reclassified as a "cruiser" (and updated so the systems are modernized, but they cant make it larger)

Edit: you can get more detailed as say attack cruiser, or escort, or scout, or battle cruiser and all that, but I tried to get the super basic idea down.

Where did i say the ship would be the same size ? i did not but i said that one race would not be alowed to be god like over an other and i said the federation will surely have something that has the same attack and defense power as your beast

Shes a massive ship, fierce is a good word, id not want to be in an Intrepid or anything smaller than a Sovereign if i seen her, which should tell you id defiantly be afraid of her in a way. The Klingon empire also has The Nechvar, Vorcha, Raptor etc the have a fleet of ships and the federation has a fleet of ships im saying that no one race can have something to that will be able to dominate power over the rest, well get something of simililer attack and defense that does not mean it has to be the same size or shape or weight it means it can do just as good as yours

Negh'var is a battleship i see what your thinking is but no one could call a Nech'var a heavy cruiser, you have a new power but the Nech'Var isnt old news shes a terrifyingly powerfull ship and so far been a match to our best

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Whats so structurally weak about this ship that would give it problems in high warp? How is a Borg Cube structurally weak in Warp?

"It looks bulky so it must have a weak structural integrity field"? Bull----.

Your misreading what im saying and putting in your words, but you cant compare the Borg with the ships of the Federation or the Klingons,

They have superior technology even tho Janeway brought them down a few pegs the Federation and the Klingons and every other expansionable race will have problems with them there advanced and its why there the main bag guy's in star trek.



"It looks bulky so it must have a weak structural integrity field"? i never said that you did please dont phrase things like i did ! !

[USS_Parallax]

The only part that looks anything like Battlestar Galactica is the fighter bays which are by no means unique to Battlestar.

It looks fine. I'm not sure it scales well. I thought it looked like a small ship when I first looked at it. But otherwise it looks good. But I honestly thought I was looking at a tier 1 ship at first glance. :)

[KlinZha]

Impressive. nuff said.

[overlordthor]

Your misreading what im saying and putting in your words, but you cant compare the Borg with the ships of the Federation or the Klingons,

They have superior technology even tho Janeway brought them down a few pegs the Federation and the Klingons and every other expansionable race will have problems with them there advanced and its why there the main bag guy's in star trek.



"It looks bulky so it must have a weak structural integrity field"? i never said that you did please dont phrase things like i did ! !


Ships do have to be designed in a certian way and to get to super warp speeds and the Klingon juggernaught going at 9.8 i dont think so

Ok, so you didnt say it was to "bulky", but what part of the ship would keep it from being able to get to warp 9.8? it doesnt appear to be structurally unsound?

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

The only part that looks anything like Battlestar Galactica is the fighter bays which are by no means unique to Battlestar.

It looks fine. I'm not sure it scales well. I thought it looked like a small ship when I first looked at it. But otherwise it looks good. But I honestly thought I was looking at a tier 1 ship at first glance. :)

yes it looks tiny until you read its stats lol then your like oh jeezo lol

[KlinZha]

Hmm.... message to Devs if any are reading....now that I think of it, this is STO right....this game is "not " battlestar Galactica or Star Wars right? Both those games are fighter heavy, yet in the STO universe we do not encounter many fighters, so why start now? This comes rather dangerously close to changing the flavor of STO as in what makes STO unique. I hope you Devs know what you're doing here.

It is impressive I admit ( stat wise ) yet this ship does not really make me think "Klingon".

[Falin]

Ok, for the last time, shape and size do not matter for warp speed. the ship is encased in a static Bubble of space that is moved through normal space at FTL speeds. the actual ship itself is not affected by these speeds as the space it is in is at 0 speed.

the only thing keeping ships from going faster is the power to maintain a stable Bubble at he higher speeds. this ship, being so large would have a very large bubble to stabalize and would need massive amount of power to stabalize it at warp 9.8 and apparently it has that power.

[FrankieDoo]

This warship is an even greater threat to the entire Alpha & Beta Quadrants. I recommend that every STO non-Klingon fleets ships never travels alone and get all of our Federation ships upgraded with Voyager armor that Janeway brought back from her future self.

I still stand with my recommendations and add full load of Transphasic Torpedoes. I think, if we fire a few of these it would easily take it out. That's my response to a ship like that. We should equip our ships right away to be able to defend & protect ourselves.

[overlordthor]

Hmm.... message to Devs if any are reading....now that I think of it, this is STO right....this game is "not " battlestar Galactica or Star Wars right? Both those games are fighter heavy, yet in the STO universe we do not encounter many fighters, so why start now? This comes rather dangerously close to changing the flavor of STO as in what makes STO unique. I hope you Devs know what you're doing here.

It is impressive I admit ( stat wise ) yet this ship does not really make me think "Klingon".

It does resemble the basic Klingon parts with the head and wings, though the wings are short.

The design appears to be influenced by some games that created other classes of ships that had not been seen in shows. Its not exactly those ships, but is influenced by them I think. all its parts are Klingon, its just got short wings and the hangar bays on the side.

Well, there aren't many fighters but they do appear in star trek. In the dominion war we saw a lot, the runabout, while it is an advanced shuttle, it can be considered a fighter, so can the Delta Flyer, recall the Magui raiders, those are "fighters". we see several squadrons in the dominion war big battles.

They dont appear to be giving all ships fighters, this is one of the very few that will have fighters.

[Manx]

Was starting to wonder if Cryptic had changed their minds about the carriers lol :D

A very nice ship! Almost makes me want to play Klingon.

Really like the new format too; will you be doing that to the earlier 'Ships of the Line' articles as well?

[vestigal]

The Borg use technology from millions of species they can do stuff no other race can do to compare them to this is uteer madness and shows ur complete stupidy

and if a ship goes to fast its strutural integrity is effected and in space ships are designed in different ways to excel in different things

Stop picking faults in things all i see you do is moan moan moan in these forums - do one as im sick of ya


My complete stupidity? So no one else could research what the borg have assimilated from other cultures? I dont think there are any intergalactic pattens which prohibit parallel research.

Like was stated the ship is encased in a static warp bubble and the SIF and IDF are responsible for the ship not pulling apart at impulse speeds and the crew not being turned into gelly.

All you see me do is moan? That was my first post in these forums mainly because I couldn't sit here and not respond to your total ignorance.

[erkenbrand001]

It does resemble the basic Klingon parts with the head and wings, though the wings are short.

The design appears to be influenced by some games that created other classes of ships that had not been seen in shows. Its not exactly those ships, but is influenced by them I think. all its parts are Klingon, its just got short wings and the hangar bays on the side.

Well, there aren't many fighters but they do appear in star trek. In the dominion war we saw a lot, the runabout, while it is an advanced shuttle, it can be considered a fighter, so can the Delta Flyer, recall the Magui raiders, those are "fighters". we see several squadrons in the dominion war big battles.

They dont appear to be giving all ships fighters, this is one of the very few that will have fighters.

Those were really only Federation fighters...no real Klingon fighters...

[KO_Gilligan]

I have to say the flaw of this ship is in its speed,

The Most advanced vessels in the fleet can go to almost warp 10 warp 9.95/9.98

But these vessels are designed to be fast, such as the shape of the Intrepid and the Promethuis etc, Now this Klingon monster is just short of 4 times bigger than an intrepid ship and yet it can go at warp 9.8

I think thats not only wrong but its making a mockery of start trek in some respects, dont get me wrong its great for klingons but theres no way this thing can go that fast

Think of the weight its ass is pulling through space never mind its structure which is hardly aerodynamic is it

and it says that its dilithuiim usage allows it to go further well thats rubbish as anything this big would actually need to use 5 times the resources like dilthuim etc to do the same job so how can its resources help it last longer when something that much bigger is gonna need more fuel >?

they said they would stay true to star trek and this is not true or thought out

plus something that big even if it has counter measures the sensor distortions and the warp trial of a ship that huge and using that much fuel would be detectable i bet !! its a weak spot if any thing

I actually know someone who can actually address this reasonably. You may have a point.

Let me send a message off to Ilithi and see if he will show up and tell us if he thinks it's feasable. Mostly because I don't think the other posters here have even come close to addressing actual technical aspects, where as Ilithi Dragon is about as close as you'll get to the canon answer without calling the studio. He could probably rattle off resource use numbers just by looking at the specs - from memory of Canon vessels :eek:

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

My complete stupidity? So no one else could research what the borg have assimilated from other cultures? I dont think there are any intergalactic pattens which prohibit parallel research.

Like was stated the ship is encased in a static warp bubble and the SIF and IDF are responsible for the ship not pulling apart at impulse speeds and the crew not being turned into gelly.

All you see me do is moan? That was my first post in these forums mainly because I couldn't sit here and not respond to your total ignorance.

Ignorance ..anything else you wana get out there lol <proves my point>

And your trying to say that we can research and be exactly the same as the Borg ?

If that was the case Wolf 359 and many other battles would of came out pretty different dont you think

The Federation has policys and protocols and Directives, they dont assimilate millions of different races and there size and power and the resources they can put into research for which there known for will not im afraid no matter how much you or i or anything else may wish gonna make them even parallel with the borgs millions of extinquished species and assimalated technology

We can certainly research a lot and time travel Janeway has helped us to even the odds and some a great deal but if the Borg were that easy to match they wouldnt of killed so many as they have done. And as they say so often the Borg Adapt sooner or later to what ever they come across

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

I actually know someone who can actually address this reasonably. You may have a point.
Ilithi Dragon is about as close as you'll get to the canon answer without calling the studio. He could probably rattle off resource use numbers just by looking at the specs - from memory of Canon vessels :eek:

:)


ty

[overlordthor]

Ignorance ..anything else you wana get out there lol <proves my point>

And your trying to say that we can research and be exactly the same as the Borg ?

If that was the case Wolf 359 and many other battles would of came out pretty different dont you think

The Federation has policys and protocols and Directives, they dont assimilate millions of different races and there size and power and the resources they can put into research for which there known for will not im afraid no matter how much you or i or anything else may wish gonna make them even parallel with the borgs millions of extinquished species and assimalated technology

We can certainly research a lot and time travel Janeway has helped us to even the odds and some a great deal but if the Borg were that easy to match they wouldnt of killed so many as they have done. And as they say so often the Borg Adapt sooner or later to what ever they come across

You havent said what stops this from being able to reach warp 9.8 aside from that its a "juggernaught"

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

In Voyager Episode Endgame when the Time Ship was trying to extinguish Voyager from History seven of nine said after scanning the vessel that and i quote 'THE VESSELS MASS LIMITS IT TO WARP 6'


She didnt mention bubbles or field theorys or anything but the ships mass basically the ships ass was to big to pull it through at those speeds

[vestigal]

Ignorance ..anything else you wana get out there lol <proves my point>

And your trying to say that we can research and be exactly the same as the Borg ?

If that was the case Wolf 359 and many other battles would of came out pretty different dont you think

The Federation has policys and protocols and Directives, they dont assimilate millions of different races and there size and power and the resources they can put into research for which there known for will not im afraid no matter how much you or i or anything else may wish gonna make them even parallel with the borgs millions of extinquished species and assimalated technology

We can certainly research a lot and time travel Janeway has helped us to even the odds and some a great deal but if the Borg were that easy to match they wouldnt of killed so many as they have done. And as they say so often the Borg Adapt sooner or later to what ever they come across


You're missing the point entirely. You're attempting to start a side argument out of nothing so you don't look like you're wrong.

[KashikoiBaka]

In Voyager Episode Endgame when the Time Ship was trying to extinguish Voyager from History seven of nine said after scanning the vessel that and i quote 'THE VESSELS MASS LIMITS IT TO WARP 6'


She didnt mention bubbles or field theorys or anything but the ships mass basically the ships ass was to big to pull it through at those speeds

The ships mass can exceed the dampening capabilities of the ship.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

This proves everything im saying and have been saying and will say, i love Star Trek, im not perfect and i dont know everything but i do know what i have seen especially if i have seen it in Voyager as i have watched my dvds of the whole series countless times i love the show :O)

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

The ships mass can exceed the dampening capabilities of the ship.

you seen Endgame i seen endgame we both know what we saw we both know wat i am saying has merit

[KashikoiBaka]

This proves everything im saying and have been saying and will say, i love Star Trek, im not perfect and i dont know everything but i do know what i have seen especially if i have seen it in Voyager as i have watched my dvds of the whole series countless times i love the show :O)


Yeah, but can we really trust Voyager? Out of all the shows that ship had some serious plot armor and plot weapons and plot crew. It was like the be all end all we solved all the federations problems ship.. I know this was the case with other series as well but voyager really over did it in my opinion. Almost as if the writers were trying to make their series the last one.. Which may not be far from the truth considering Enterprise came next. Oh and I bring up the technological contradictions that are prevalent through out star trek. Just because the time ships mass prevented it from exceeding that warp factor, doesn't mean another races ship of the same size, can't.

[Zeroth]

The Borg use technology from millions of species they can do stuff no other race can do to compare them to this is uteer madness and shows ur complete stupidy

and if a ship goes to fast its strutural integrity is effected and in space ships are designed in different ways to excel in different things

Stop picking faults in things all i see you do is moan moan moan in these forums - do one as im sick of ya

<offtopic>
Dude... could you please learn to spell and use proper grammar? I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi here, but to accuse someone of stupidity while making.. *counts* 11 spelling mistakes and grammar errors, is well, slightly hypocritical. It makes you look less intelligent, and thus others will be less likely to listen to your arguments. This is not IM. This is not texting. You have time. You can use periods, commas, even -gasp- a semi-colon once in awhile. No one will shoot you; trust me.

If you want your argument to be followed, please use real spelling and grammar. I could barely understand you as it is.

Intelligence is not something to be feared. Stupidity is. ;)
</offtopic>

[Drake1444]

Very impressive. I like the robust design; gives me the feeling of a fist ready to strike. I wonder what the Federation equivalent will be. That's something that I've always wanted to see. A Starfleet ship that was meant to walk right up to the enemy and sock 'em dead in the face. You never see that. Usually they have something small and fast meant to fly around enemy ships; blasting away. For example, the Defiant and the Prometheus; even the Sovereign class had to buzz around when going up against the Borg or the Remen's Scimitar.

Klingon's had the Negh'var, Romulans had their warbirds, even the Dominion had those gigantic dreadnoughts. I'm curious as to what STO would design for Starfleet's first true battleship.

[vestigal]

This proves everything im saying and have been saying and will say, i love Star Trek, im not perfect and i dont know everything but i do know what i have seen especially if i have seen it in Voyager as i have watched my dvds of the whole series countless times i love the show :O)


It proves nothing. Specs on the time ship are l=1240m B=299 h=310. Once again much smaller than a borg cube, not to mention a tac cube. Yet they can still travel at high warp speeds. You my friend are trying to base an argument off of a flaw in one episode.

[KO_Gilligan]

:)


ty

No Problem, I hate to see you blasted like this, even if you are wrong.

He was just here posting yesterday, I am sure he wouldn't mind diving right into this one :D

Nonetheless, Check this guys posts out,
http://forums.startrekonline.com/search.php?searchid=2033630&pp=&page=

he's a member here, and you'll see just by skimming through his posts he is more than qualified. He's been the goto man as a ship tech advisor for the modding community for Star Trek games, and his hobby is Star Trek Ship Technical Configurations/Specifications

[Sheeba]

oh boy.. so much for tactics.. think ganking will only work againts that O.o

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

<offtopic>
Dude... could you please learn to spell and use proper grammar? I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi here, but to accuse someone of stupidity while making.. *counts* 11 spelling mistakes and grammar errors, is well, slightly hypocritical. It makes you look less intelligent, and thus others will be less likely to listen to your arguments. This is not IM. This is not texting. You have time. You can use periods, commas, even -gasp- a semi-colon once in awhile. No one will shoot you; trust me.

If you want your argument to be followed, please use real spelling and grammar. I could barely understand you as it is.

Intelligence is not something to be feared. Stupidity is. ;)
</offtopic>

Thanks for your input, lmao - But i type quickly and if i can put things down fast so that the majority understand what im saying then i will, this is not an english lesson or id take much longer to do it - by my spelling yer <meant with an r> i bought a new pc at the start of this month and i need to get a bigger keyboard, it's tiny lol, and im forever typing quickly and yer <meant with an r just pointing out since theres an english teacher in the house> even i know my spelling looks bad but my points are still right and my thinking will be seen and when they realise <if they know trek as i do> they will see.

:)

[KO_Gilligan]

Thanks for your input, lmao - But i type quickly and if i can put things down fast so that the majority understand what im saying then i will, this is not an english lesson or id take much longer to do it - by my spelling yer <meant with an r> i bought a new pc at the start of this month and i need to get a bigger keyboard, it's tiny lol, and im forever typing quickly and yer <meant with an r just pointing out since theres an english teacher in the house> even i know my spelling looks bad but my points are still right and my thinking will be seen and when they realise <if they know trek as i do> they will see.

:)

I just messaged Ilithi on a Star Trek board he moderates. I told him the New Klingon Ship Is real Fat, and over 1200Meters long...but it goes Warp 9.8 :eek:

and I gave him a link to join in when he get's the chance.

If I know Ilithi, when he reads it he might just pee himself :p

[Zeroth]

Thanks for your input, lmao - But i type quickly and if i can put things down fast so that the majority understand what im saying then i will, this is not an english lesson or id take much longer to do it - by my spelling yer <meant with an r> i bought a new pc at the start of this month and i need to get a bigger keyboard, it's tiny lol, and im forever typing quickly and yer <meant with an r just pointing out since theres an english teacher in the house> even i know my spelling looks bad but my points are still right and my thinking will be seen and when they realise <if they know trek as i do> they will see.

:)

Not an excuse. If you can do better, you should. Else why get dressed and have a shower every day? Presentation matters. Believing otherwise shows your naivety. Even if your idea is better, if you come in wearing dirty clothes and haven't shaved, and you smell, your boss will not choose your idea. Especially if he/she has to struggle to read what you have written.

If you want respect, even if your ideas are wrong, slow down, use punctuation. It is not a race. You do not win the internets for typing faster than the other guy. In fact, you get the fool's cap.

Just try it, for one day. Look at how people will react to your posts. See how they respond, and how they treat you. How you communicate matters. A lot. I'm only trying to help you and everyone else that has to struggle to decipher your crayon-scrawled screeds.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Yeah, but can we really trust Voyager? Out of all the shows that ship had some serious plot armor and plot weapons and plot crew. It was like the be all end all we solved all the federations problems ship.. I know this was the case with other series as well but voyager really over did it in my opinion. Almost as if the writers were trying to make their series the last one.. Which may not be far from the truth considering Enterprise came next. Oh and I bring up the technological contradictions that are prevalent through out star trek. Just because the time ships mass prevented it from exceeding that warp factor, doesn't mean another races ship of the same size, can't.

how can you say that without knowing its technology your making hypothetical geuss's

Where as im going off what i have seen in star trek

And i loved Voyager and if you were stuck 70,000 light year's from home and you also carried out the directive to explore and seek out life and civilisations with warp capability then you too would gain allies and friends as well as enemies and through it you would make technology upgrades of your own to help you deal with them.

<I love Voyager but i admit on one show called 'unimatrix zero' Voyager and a borg sphere attack a borg tactical cube> < that had me thinking what the hell, how can an intrepid as much as i love it and want one do that ?>

But the fact is we didnt see everything in her journey we just followed her events as she went along and we cant know all the technologys that they actually created after all having a drone help them boost there shield and armour must of helped as well. In some ways she was like a data from Next gen just not as fast!

No matter how far fetched some people see some of the episodes, the series was trying to show how the principles and protocols and a loyal and capable crewe could get the job done.

[KO_Gilligan]

Not an excuse. If you can do better, you should. Else why get dressed and have a shower every day? Presentation matters. Believing otherwise shows your naivety. Even if your idea is better, if you come in wearing dirty clothes and haven't shaved, and you smell, your boss will not choose your idea. Especially if he/she has to struggle to read what you have written.

If you want respect, even if your ideas are wrong, slow down, use punctuation. It is not a race. You do not win the internets for typing faster than the other guy. In fact, you get the fool's cap.

Just try it, for one day. Look at how people will react to your posts. See how they respond, and how they treat you. How you communicate matters. A lot. I'm only trying to help you and everyone else that has to struggle to decipher your crayon-scrawled screeds.

Why are you flaming the guy for spelling and grammer? I'm gonna have a good laugh in the fact that he is making some real points, and that ship is not going to be anything like what Star Trek canon says about velocity... and here you are grinding out his typos where he's blasting out responses...:p I'm going with - they broke canon in the interest of gameplay - anyone else?

[overlordthor]

Well, I dont know how mass can limit a ships warp capability, but some races have extremely massive ships and travel at high warp.

Now, I can easily argue a particular ship that had 5 times the mass of a galaxy class starship was able to travel at warp 9.37 or more to get away from the U.S.S Enterprise without any statement saying it was impossible.

Ok, for arguments sake lets say that Seven was correct, that it could not surpass warp 6 due to only its mass and the physics of the universe. We know that massive ships can go beyond warp 6, perhaps the timeship had something onboard that was immensely dense that gave it incredible mass, that was required to give it its abilities, its improbable, but possible it has a mass that goes beyond that of a borg cube due to some property of the ship.

[Slayer_ninja_13]

I really like this klingon ship but man i hope it doesn't kick ever ship butt that has a federation logo on it and i also hope that STO will come up with a good ship for the federation that can counter the most powerful ship in the klingon empire :)

[KO_Gilligan]

Well, I dont know how mass can limit a ships warp capability, but some races have extremely massive ships and travel at high warp.

Now, I can easily argue a particular ship that had 5 times the mass of a galaxy class starship was able to travel at warp 9.37 or more to get away from the U.S.S Enterprise without any statement saying it was impossible.

Ok, for arguments sake lets say that Seven was correct, that it could not surpass warp 6 due to only its mass and the physics of the universe. We know that massive ships can go beyond warp 6, perhaps the timeship had something onboard that was immensely dense that gave it incredible mass, that was required to give it its abilities, its improbable, but possible it has a mass that goes beyond that of a borg cube due to some property of the ship.

I couldn't answer that. There is some mass/energy/fuel issues to be sure... But you have to admit, this is not some mystery race with unknown technology... The Klingons having a ship that makes a Galaxy look like a little Shrimp, and it goes 9.8? It's definitely an eyebrow raiser.

[overlordthor]

Oh, the ship that was 5 times the mass of the galaxy and faster then the galaxy class was at the time was a recreation of a Husnock ship.

Also note that the Scimitar was able to go past warp 9.7 (Enterprise was traveling warp 9.7 and the Scimitar overtook the Enterprise) it was extremely massive, while shorter then Vo'Quv class its wings were immense, making it far larger.