No Super Species

[Xextreem]

:DLike the title say no Q no super Species that can do in a blink of a eye remove compleet species. However i like to idea to have a alter universe. Or a time travel. Part of a story quest or whatever you can put in it.

[codeminer]

I don't care for the super entities either.

But I absolutely despise time travel. IIRC, every single star trek movie since FIrst Contact has had some sort of time travel in it. So tired of it. Time travel is barely theoretical, and even if it was possible, it would just lead to alternate realities.

So please, any other missions or stories I can handle, but no more time travel! :mad:

[mwood1387]

Its not Star Trek without time travel.

[Solomon_Kane]

Or super species... look at classic trek, everyone was more powerful than the crew of the Enterprise... Kirk and company just had to Outwit them.

[Tribbler]

We must have something out there that makes us look over our shoulder and pops our bubbles and spanks our behinds when we become overconfident and unruly.

We need to keep perspective and remain humble as we travel.

[Existing_Account]

Agreed. Time travel is too big a part of Star Trek not to be included. We're not trying to be realistic here. It's science fiction.

Super species such as Q are also a part of the Star Trek universe and should not be completely excluded, although they should be very rare encounters, and only for high end players. The majority of players should not encounter them but they are a part of the cannon universe and it would be unfaithful not to consider them.

[revenantsoul]

I hope they turn the Star Trek universe into a more "Dark" setting much the way they did BSG when they did the remake on Sci-Fi.

[Tribbler]

I hope they turn the Star Trek universe into a more "Dark" setting much the way they did BSG when they did the remake on Sci-Fi.

Very Interesting idea.

The ships already have a "Dark" look to them, how would you propose would complete the transition? Storylines?

[Paulo999]

the borg will most likely be the "super species" where we must all come together to defeat it.. or whatever the ancient threat is

[knightofhyrule730]

i dont know about you guys, but i plan on MiniMaxing my custom species as much as possible. i will break the system in beta, and then tell cryptic about it so they can prevent it from happening again.

[Commander_Nate]

What if the Kelvans or Iconians show up? Or the Caeliar from the Destiny series? Could be cool.

[flttopbox88]

I don't care for the super entities either.

But I absolutely despise time travel. IIRC, every single star trek movie since FIrst Contact has had some sort of time travel in it. So tired of it. Time travel is barely theoretical, and even if it was possible, it would just lead to alternate realities.

So please, any other missions or stories I can handle, but no more time travel! :mad:

/raises hand

I don't think Insurrection or Nemesis had time travel, though Generations did.

I actually think time travel and alternate/parallel universes make the best episodes. Even ENT did some good stuff, though it was almost overload on the time travel. If they wanted to do stuff in the future, make a series in the future. C'mon!

Keeping this to STO, I'm excited to see what they'll do with time travel/alternate/parallel universes (essentially the space-time continuum).

[marscentral]

No "super species" or time travel. That leaves about four episodes of Star Trek doesn't it?

[codeminer]

No "super species" or time travel. That leaves about four episodes of Star Trek doesn't it?

Wrong. That is pure exaggeration. Star Trek has always been mostly about how the Federation deals with and interacts with other races, and also about the interactions of the crew members themselves. Certainly at least 90% so. I can handle entities, but time travel was superfluous and mostly ignored on my part.

There is plenty of exploration to do and many mysteries to be solved in the ST Universe without having to resort to time fantasies.

[codeminer]

/raises hand

I don't think Insurrection or Nemesis had time travel, though Generations did.

I actually think time travel and alternate/parallel universes make the best episodes. Even ENT did some good stuff, though it was almost overload on the time travel. If they wanted to do stuff in the future, make a series in the future. C'mon!

Keeping this to STO, I'm excited to see what they'll do with time travel/alternate/parallel universes (essentially the space-time continuum).

You know, I don't remember for sure. Actually they did time travel from Generations. Forgot about that one, d'oh. But I think time was stopped in Insurrection. Not time travel, but messing with time. Nemesis I can't remember.

But, needless to say, I did not go out and collect these movies. Non-Time Travel movies I do collect are Star Trek I, II, III, V, and VI, and I hope to see plot lines like these in the game. :D

[Archangelwoghd]

i dont know about you guys, but i plan on MiniMaxing my custom species as much as possible. i will break the system in beta, and then tell cryptic about it so they can prevent it from happening again.


Who says you're beta testing??

[WinterPark1701]

:DLike the title say no Q no super Species that can do in a blink of a eye remove compleet species. However i like to idea to have a alter universe. Or a time travel. Part of a story quest or whatever you can put in it.

In Star Trek your super species, Q, The Borg, Species 98412 are just story telling devices the writers come up with when they need to show that an opponent is vastly superior in every way to the protagonist there by establishing how awesome the crew of the Enterprise, (or Voyager) are by overcoming a bad guy who is inherently so superior. Thats all they are, Voyager tended to make use of this device more so than any other Trek series which is one of the reasons I think so many people got kind of fed up with them always getting pitted against a baddy who was 1000 times more powerful then and entire federation fleet only to have Janeway and 7-o-9 come up with a solution all on their loan-some. The point being that in a game like STO its very likely that we'll see these guys or something like them just so that we can like the Voyager and Enterprise crews say "Look How Awesome I Am, I Totally Blew Up The Super Bad Guys"

[Enlaw]

Time travel? Yes. God-like beings (Q)? No.

Unless, of course, at some point in STO, players encounter a Q-type being who sends them into an alternate reality, or back in time, or forwards in time, and this leads to an interesting adventure. Otherwise, how would this ever contribute to gameplay? Such powerful beings work well in stories we can't interact with, because we, as viewers, are not subject to consequences. In a game, though? Not so easy to work out..less so when it could potentially affect one hundred or more other players as well.

As for a "dark" feel? Well, Dominion wars was a dark time, with a dark feel, but Star Trek has never been particularly dark. It's not about that. It's set in a near Utopian future, not a bleak dystopian one.

[Drexxus3d]

I agree I get tired of the omnipotent species in star trek. It seems an alarming number of species out there has the innate god-like power to alter any aspect of the universe with a thought.

I don't mind stuff like 8472 and the borg who are just leaps and bounds superior to us, but things like Q which could obliterate the whole species with a thought is just lame to me, i've always thought so.

As for time travel, it does get a little old, especially when they try to explore paradoxes and such. I was also irritated the first two real episodes of the voyager series were both about time travel paradoxes... I wouldn't mind a few missions here or there, but just not overdo it.

[ByYourCommand]

Movie-wise, time travel only happened in Voyage Home (there be whales here!), Generations (sort of, thanks to the Nexus), First Contact (where it was actually used to great effect), and the new Star Trek (where it was the basis of the story).

Episode-wise, I thought Voyager had the greatest number of straight-up time travel episodes. They did away with that in Enterprise after Season 3 ended. DS9 didn't have much time travel at all, nor did the original Star Trek (though when they did, it was classic). TNG didn't have so much time travel as quantum anomalies and time loops and memories from the past and so forth -- though I can live with the whole go-back-to-San-Francisco-in-the-1800s-and-meet-Guinan episode.

[overlordthor]

I think super species and all that can make for interesting encounters. Obviously, you arent going to be killing a Q entity, or any such thing.

[CurtisWT]

I wouldn't mind having a Q show up from time to time and causing some havoc for gameplay purposes. But no godlike playable species, so long as that doesn't cancel out my Brikar security chief.

[MyOwnSling]

I could see the Q being viable not as a gameplay element so much, but as a way for the devs to interact with the in-game universe. Why not make the devs, when performing in-game functions as devs, appear as members of the Q?

[Sythian]

Wrong. That is pure exaggeration. Star Trek has always been mostly about how the Federation deals with and interacts with other races, and also about the interactions of the crew members themselves. Certainly at least 90% so. I can handle entities, but time travel was superfluous and mostly ignored on my part.

There is plenty of exploration to do and many mysteries to be solved in the ST Universe without having to resort to time fantasies.

The TOS days was more about how many Alien babes Kirk could make out with.

[Jeremy5003]

I could see the Q being viable not as a gameplay element so much, but as a way for the devs to interact with the in-game universe. Why not make the devs, when performing in-game functions as devs, appear as members of the Q?
awsome idea

[harden007]

Super-aliens provide both a challenge and the occasional glorious death. Bring'em on! :D

[DanSeale]

:DLike the title say no Q no super Species that can do in a blink of a eye remove compleet species. However i like to idea to have a alter universe. Or a time travel. Part of a story quest or whatever you can put in it.

OHHH MAANNNNNN ...

I'd planned on a Human/Vulcan/Klingon back ground: with genetically enhanced abilities (like Julian Bashier ) ...

I'm guessing that would create a higly intelligent, very strong, adaptable captain that would also open a can of whoop azz in a heart beat !

:D

On a more serious note: I'd love to see a moderator or Cryptic team member have a special access code that would allow them to log on and haev some fun with everyone as a member of the "Q" !

IMHO .. that could really be cool !

:cool:

[Tribbler]

OHHH MAANNNNNN ...

I'd planned on a Human/Vulcan/Klingon back ground: with genetically enhanced abilities (like Julian Bashier ) ...

I'm guessing that would create a higly intelligent, very strong, adaptable captain that would also open a can of whoop azz in a heart beat !

:D

On a more serious note: I'd love to see a moderator or Cryptic team member have a special access code that would allow them to log on and haev some fun with everyone as a member of the "Q" !

IMHO .. that could really be cool !

:cool:

You would look like this guy, just a little more green, pointy ears, and a tortoise shell head.

http://www.comicvine.com/mr-incredible/29-54238/images/

[DanSeale]

You would look like this guy, just a little more green, pointy ears, and a tortoise shell head.

http://www.comicvine.com/mr-incredible/29-54238/images/

LOL !

Right down to the pot tummy !

:D

[treky928]

the borg will most likely be the "super species" where we must all come together to defeat it.. or whatever the ancient threat is

Most likely yes but what about species 8472.... there pawnage!:D

[Tribbler]

LOL !

Right down to the pot tummy !

:D

hahahaha

(spits drink at compy screen) lol :D

[Awarkle]

as long as we can encounter a crystaline entity i would be more than happy :)

super races do make things interesting in startrek, consider the voth super city ship that voyager encountered (aka space dinosaurs) they were far more advanced.

[Meehile]

Yes, time travel and super powered species are staples of Star Trek, but there is another, equally important staple...... evil version goatees!

[Manta2015]

I don't care for the super entities either.

But I absolutely despise time travel. IIRC, every single star trek movie since FIrst Contact has had some sort of time travel in it. So tired of it. Time travel is barely theoretical, and even if it was possible, it would just lead to alternate realities.

So please, any other missions or stories I can handle, but no more time travel! :mad:

Insurrection had time travel? Nemesis had time travel?

Since the original series it's *always* been a big part of Trek. If you couldn't get used to it back then, you never will ~ get over it =)


-Manta-

[Captain_Intrepid]

I don't care for the super entities either.

But I absolutely despise time travel. IIRC, every single star trek movie since FIrst Contact has had some sort of time travel in it. So tired of it. Time travel is barely theoretical, and even if it was possible, it would just lead to alternate realities.

So please, any other missions or stories I can handle, but no more time travel! :mad:

Well, Time Travel has been a big thing with Star Trek for a lot longer than First Contact :)

Quite a few episodes of the original series and the other Star Trek series had time travel.

Both Star Trek IX: Insurrection and Star Trek X: Nemesis didn't have time travel. Then again, there were flashbacks in Nemesis, does that count? Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home most certainly had time travel, and one could almost say that Star Trek VII: Generations had a form of time travel, where Kirk was in an alternate dimension where time wasn't a factor and reappeared in the TNG time period.

[Captain_Intrepid]

Yes, time travel and super powered species are staples of Star Trek, but there is another, equally important staple...... evil version goatees!

Perhaps it's the temporal paradoxes that is the cause for some headaches? It certainly gave Captain Janeway (that's Admiral Janeway! ;)) of Voyager fame a migraine or two....

Btw, I wonder what your avatar would look like with a Mirror Universe goatee? :eek::)

[codeminer]

Insurrection had time travel? Nemesis had time travel?

Since the original series it's *always* been a big part of Trek. If you couldn't get used to it back then, you never will ~ get over it =)


-Manta-

This info was corrected in subsequent posts. I was relying on memory, which I really shouldn't since I know it is poor. :D

As far as time being a 'big' part of ST, it really isn't. There are episodes in the series that have it, but certainly not a majority, not even a large minority. And is certainly not what draws people to Star Trek.

When you ask most lay people about Star Trek, they say "Oh, that's that show about traveling in space", not time . . . It's called Star Trek, not Time Trek. If people want to watch time travel, they can watch Doctor Who, or such.

And producers should have warnings posted for their movies, "Warning: Time Travel plot included", so that I may not have to waste money on them.

I don't know why the writer's for Star Trek have a need to add time travel in the shows, and if the devs add it to STO, I can do what I've always done, and ignore those bits.