Klingon Fleet Destruction - Question

[Elboulevardo]

im sitting here watching the new Star Trek movie and i heard the mention of Uhura intercepting the comm that specified that 47 klingon ships were destroyed by Nero's ship.

now we have more story information from the devs about Worfs fleet being destroyed by the same ship

but i thought the 2 timelines were seperate.

so my question is

are these 2 fleets the same fleet?

i seem to be missing something

Thanks!

[Loekii]

[Edit for misread]
Yes, they are TWO DIFFERENT Fleets.

The first one was Worf's fleet in 2387

The second is in the 'Reboot' Frame in 2233

http://www.startrekonline.com/startrek_xi

[TruthSeer]

I don't remember the scene specifically but I thought the message Uhura intercepted was about something else.

And yes the 47 ships were destroyed in our universe.

[RookActual]

Uhura stated that she intercepted a message that a fleet of 47 Klingon vessels had just been destroyed.

[Elboulevardo]

hmm so when uhura intercepts the transmission about the fleet being destroyed, is she somehow picking up a transmission from the 24th/25th century timeline? like did that comm signal somehow get sucked into the black hole too or somethin?

[knightofhyrule730]

i was under the impression that the fleet in the movie was a fleet from kirks time. i do know that the destruction was a scene that was taken out for some reason.

the fleet that worf was in command with was knocked out in one of the "paths to..."

[JMD10222]

hmm so when uhura intercepts the transmission about the fleet being destroyed, is she somehow picking up a transmission from the 24th/25th century timeline? like did that comm signal somehow get sucked into the black hole too or somethin?

I think the message she intercepted was in the movies time and not the future and the Narada destroyed a fleet of Klingon ships there as well.

[TruthSeer]

hmm so when uhura intercepts the transmission about the fleet being destroyed, is she somehow picking up a transmission from the 24th/25th century timeline? like did that comm signal somehow get sucked into the black hole too or somethin?

Ya, I think the transmission just got sucked into the new timeline.

That or the Narada destroyed 94 Klingon ships.

[Elboulevardo]

yeah see this is where im finding some discontinuity...i dont think there is anything that really expands on the klingon fleet (or fleets) that were destroyed by Nero's ship

47 ship fleet gets destroyed (at least it would seem) in 22nd century kirk era
Worfs fleet gets destroyed before Nero goes back in time

he took out two fleets perhaps? i dunno that seems unlikely to me

[RookActual]

I think the message she intercepted was in the movies time and not the future and the Narada destroyed a fleet of Klingon ships there as well.

Yes, a Klingon Fleet was destroyed in the alternate timeline before the Narada's trip back. It had significantly fewer vessels than the fleet Uhura mentioned. Nero had the intention of destroying Kronos as well as Earth and Vulcan.

[TruthSeer]

yeah see this is where im finding some discontinuity...i dont think there is anything that really expands on the klingon fleet (or fleets) that were destroyed by Nero's ship

47 ship fleet gets destroyed (at least it would seem) in 22nd century kirk era
Worfs fleet gets destroyed before Nero goes back in time

he took out two fleets perhaps? i dunno that seems unlikely to me

Well after taking out a modern day fleet with no problem how much trouble would a fleet of antiques be?

[Elboulevardo]

hmm well maybe its just the story about worfs fleet getting rocked that creats a perception that it was the same fleet that is mentioned in the movie...confusing, but i can live with nero taking out 2 klingon fleets

sucks to be them

[Elboulevardo]

Well after taking out a modern day fleet with no problem how much trouble would a fleet of antiques be?

lol not to say that his ship would have any trouble with a 22nd century klingon fleet...i just think its a bit silly having that in the story

Nero destroys a fleet of Klingon ships

oh and get this

then he destroys ANOTHER fleet of klingon ships

yay :P

[Reinkaos]

I don't see how it could be the same fleet, as the Narada destroyed Worf's fleet in the prime universe, and then went on to enter the black hole and travel into the past, creating the alternate timeline, where it then eventually destroyed 47 warbirds.

(What I don't get is how she could translate Klingon so easily and fast, when , at least in the prime universe, she seemed to struggle somewhat with it, going by Undiscovered Country).

[naynayz]

im sitting here watching the new Star Trek movie and i heard the mention of Uhura intercepting the comm that specified that 47 klingon ships were destroyed by Nero's ship.

now we have more story information from the devs about Worfs fleet being destroyed by the same ship

but i thought the 2 timelines were seperate.

so my question is

are these 2 fleets the same fleet?

i seem to be missing something

Thanks!

The 47 ships that were destroyed that Uhura intercepted the message from happened in the new ST movie's timeline and are completely separate from the ones in this story. The ones in the movie were in the movie's time frame and was why they Uhura supported Kirk when he said that the fleet ahead of the enterprise was probably already destroyed (which was why they weren't getting a response from them when they hailed) and when they they dropped out of warp. Oh crap!!! Dodge all the debris!! OMG!!! I hope that clarifies. sorry if that spoiled the movie for some.

[Nalah]

hmm well maybe its just the story about worfs fleet getting rocked that creats a perception that it was the same fleet that is mentioned in the movie...confusing, but i can live with nero taking out 2 klingon fleets

sucks to be them

Worf's fleet being destroyed was in the official prequel comic for the movie.

[RookActual]

(What I don't get is how she could translate Klingon so easily and fast, when , at least in the prime universe, she seemed to struggle somewhat with it, going by Undiscovered Country).

You really don't know how long it took her, you just know that some time before she came to the dorm room she had done it.

[Elboulevardo]

that settles it for me, seems to make sense its 2 different fleets...thanks for all the insight folks :D

[Elboulevardo]

Worf's fleet being destroyed was in the official prequel comic for the movie.

ah this little fact i was not aware of...there a place online to view these comics?

[Nalah]

ah this little fact i was not aware of...there a place online to view these comics?

You should be able to purchase a copy of the trade paperback (all four comics in one) somewhere online. The title was Star Trek: Countdown

[Spire]

Ok, someone's going to have to write out the whole story, aren't they?

So Romulus gets blown up, Nero goes crazy and pimps out his ship. He goes on a rampage against the Feds and Klingons. That's Worfs fleet. Then Spock and him get sent back in time, alternate timeline stuff, bluh bluh bluh. He goes on a rampage there too, blowing up Klingons, blowing up Vulcan, etc.

So the Klingon encounter mentioned by Cryptic happened BEFORE Nero got sent back in time. Two completely different Klingon fleets your confusing.

[lvjayman]

Does the comic explain where the Borg tech comes from he upgraded his ship with? I mean I could understand the Federation having some laying around, and possible the Klingons since they have fought beside the Federation against the Borg. But where did the Romulans get samples of Borg tech? Unless I missed some mention in the series, I didn't think the Romulans had ever faced the Borg. (And I totally love the new movie, just curious if this is answered in the comic.)

[koraQ]

Well sort of,

The Romulans have a secret base (The Forge in STO's latest news). The Romulan military had been experimenting with merging borg and romulan technology.

Before the Hobus disaster, a small fleet was seen leaving Romulan space (heading for the base).

Romulas goes boom.

Nero finds out about the secret base and goes there. They infuse borg tech into his miner ship. (the technology is described to grow and adapt to the ship, transforming it in to an uber ship).

So basically, rommies doing secret research and being succesfull. Hence STO's latest SOTL story and classified picture of a blurry valadore with borg tech. Rommies must be starting to pump out borg-a-fied rommie ships.

[Typheron]

Memory Alpha has a summery of the whole comic

Oviously massive spoilers to those who want to get said comic themselves
:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_One
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_Two
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_Three
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Countdown,_Number_Four

[Elboulevardo]

Ok, someone's going to have to write out the whole story, aren't they?

So Romulus gets blown up, Nero goes crazy and pimps out his ship. He goes on a rampage against the Feds and Klingons. That's Worfs fleet. Then Spock and him get sent back in time, alternate timeline stuff, bluh bluh bluh. He goes on a rampage there too, blowing up Klingons, blowing up Vulcan, etc.

So the Klingon encounter mentioned by Cryptic happened BEFORE Nero got sent back in time. Two completely different Klingon fleets your confusing.

yeah i got that part already as noted in my last 2 posts stating "ok its settled for me..." and "oh i didnt know the fact about the comics" way to chime in late

but thanks for bein cool, im sure your peers will celebrate your coolness some day...