Comparing EVE online to STO

[nimrod98]

Has anyone played EVE online? How does it compare to STO? I tried EVE for like 10 mins and I couldn't stand it.. Nice graphics and all but everything seems so automated. Press one button to attack and just leave it to the AI? And the text is so miniscule you have to squint your eyes to read it..

Anyways just wondering since there aren't a lot of deep space MMO's out there. Just making a comparison here.

[Ora]

EvE and STO I think will be totaly different games, not much point in comparing them

By the way you can resize all the text in EvE

[Gizmo]

I'm not sure how anyone but the Devs can do any comparing at this point as none of us have even seen in-game interfaces or the like. EVE certainly isn't the worst game out there but it does have a steep learning curve to it. I never really got that far into it but am looking forward to seeing more of the STO universe at work.

[spiderdude1]

STO is going to kick EVE's ass for sure.

[Jester20]

I think Jumpgate Evoloution is going to be more a EvE type game.

I really hope STO is going to be something completly different.

[Ora]

If Jumpgate Evolution is anythink like the original Jumpgate, which Im sure it will, it will be nothing like EvE.

Jumpgate was more of a proper flight sim. Ships were flown with a joystick, all firing and targeting was done by the pilot.

I have no idea how STO ships will be controlled.

[hendo001]

oh joy another eve vs sto thread.

Really people, please just wait and see.

you cannot compair sto vs eve as they are 2 seperate games.

[RookActual]

If Jumpgate Evolution is anythink like the original Jumpgate, which Im sure it will, it will be nothing like EvE.

Jumpgate was more of a proper flight sim. Ships were flown with a joystick, all firing and targeting was done by the pilot.

I have no idea how STO ships will be controlled.

-sigh-whatever happened to the space combat simulation game genre.....I miss it.

[OddjobXL]

It's not quite dead yet.

http://starwraith3dgames.home.att.net/evochronlegends/about.htm

[cjfs]

STO's control scheme is exponentially better than the EVE setup. You really feel like the ship is an extension of your character, fully immersing yourself in the game. The interface doesn't have the same readability issues as EVE, you're able to get all the info you need with a quick glance.

While the combat is easy to learn, it is difficult to master. This depth provides far more than EVE ever could. They are different styles of game, but STO is better in every conceivable way.

That said, keep in mind I haven't played either =D

[DarkOrion69]

Although we do not have the details necessary for a full comparison between STO and EVE Online, we can look at what we DO know at this time. Pardon me if I unintentionally make assumptive statements while trying to stick to the facts.

EVE Online is geared toward PvP play. It encourages competition and open warfare amongst it's player base. CCP does not help griefed players...it ignores them and assumes they will just get tougher and stronger ships or join a gang...whoops I meant Corporation :)

STO is trying to strike a balance between PvP and PvE play. It discourages open warfare in the player base. Cryptic will most likely do their best to prevent/punish griefing. Joining a fleet will be an option, not a requirement for surviving an endless stream of interstellar bullies.

EVE Online allows the player base to virtually create all in game events. The NPC missions in EVE are a joke and get generic very quickly (ratters anyone?). A big war in low security space occurs without CCP doing anything. They just sit back and collect subscription fees and watch with a big box of popcorn as players fight. This is not wrong, it is just the choice CCP prefers. They want the most $$$ for their least effort imho.

STO appears to feature more content originating from Cryptic. They promise us in game events such as Borg Incursions. They are limiting big wars to deep space (like EVE Online does). They are choosing to appeal to a larger audience with a steady stream of new content. They need to prove to a new player base that the subscription fee for STO is worth paying.

In short EVE Online caters to capitalism and competition, leaving other ideas in the interstellar void. STO appears to be attempting to cater to socialism and cooperation while making strides not to alienate the capitalistic and competitive MMO players. Only time will tell if players prefer EVE Online or STO. I have already given up on EVE Online myself, so it is STO for me next.

[renderpix]

The two cannot really be compared even tho they will have alot simiular.

There will be an economy like in Eve. Some say it will not be as robust but I really don't think that this can really even be speculated on at this time.

Cryptic seems to be in tune with Eve subscribers giving not to options that many Eve players have asked for. Visible ship customazations, Fleet Decals, ship colors among other things. So I think that Cryptic has the CCP game player in mind.

As Far as we know combat will not be as automated as Eve is and there is the far in future planet side addition that will be in STO at start, another thing that Eve players have asked for.

CCP devs do nothing for the griefed as said previous, I don't think Cryptic in STO will do anything for them either. Like in the WebCast
"What about Greifers"
"Reward them, I like greifing"
Atitude on concept of griefing given

STO will be a different game based in FvF PvE with PvP where allowed, but I think it will just be FvF in non-faction space. STO will have simularties but I think game mechanics and dynamic game flow will be far ahead since Cryptic can observe failing points where Eve comes up short but admire where it has not and adapt and intergrate those into STO.

At least in STO there is a real backstory. That is one place where Eve fell short they did not introduce FvF several years until after release and the factions are truly mixed so I think FvF in Eve is really a losing contrast to the game.

[fireraven]

lol funny thing about Eve... the market aspect of it would warm a Ferengi's heart... don't know how many times I have seen the Rules of Acquisition listed in bios and such

[Manta2015]

EvE's graphics look incredible compared to STO in it's current state, and not just because of the cartoonish style STO has. I'll write more about it later, but I'm getting deep into the game atm ~ It's a game of patience, and it's got quite a steep learning curve, but extremely detailed and has the largest mmo-universe period ~ There are many attractive qualities about it.


-Manta-

[erriku]

STO is going to kick EVE's ass for sure.

Quoted for Truth!

[moessner]

lolrof EvE is JUNK.........lol largest univers mmo out there lol NOT

[Davorn]

I really hope STO turns out better than Eve. I gave Eve a shot for a few days on a Trial and couldn't get into it.

[Vorador]

How can you compare Eve to STO? No one here has played STO, seen how the gameplay is like, we know nothing about the economy, we know nothing about pvp system.

[bcdennis]

The basics of Eve were, for me, kind of hard to get into. The graphics were great and I like parts of its economy. I am hoping that STO will blow it away with both the enviroment and the story line.

[Hornet331]

lolrof EvE is JUNK.........lol largest univers mmo out there lol NOT

so then which game has then the most players on one server playing all at the same time? :o

[moessner]

so then which game has then the most players on one server playing all at the same time? :o

well must not have gotten it...but to answer you lol champions online not even out but will be out in the next few weeks and there going 1 serever and will dog EVE into the ground...then you have STO coming out with in next year, and STO i bet will blow both EVE and champs.

i think its funny that ohhh EVE has the biggest single server, who cares game is still junk. and there are alot of MMO out there that put EVE to shame with there numbers they have for players.

[DarkOrion69]

How can you compare Eve to STO? No one here has played STO, seen how the game play is like, we know nothing about the economy, we know nothing about PvP system.



Although we do not have the details necessary for a full comparison between STO and EVE Online, we can look at what we DO know at this time.



That is how...best to read a thread before tossing off an opinion my friend.

[Vorador]

That is how...best to read a thread before tossing off an opinion my friend.

We don't know anything. All the information we have about gameplay will change in the beta. Comparing a game that has been running for years to something that isn't even in beta phase makes zero sense.

[1OF2]

well must not have gotten it...but to answer you lol champions online not even out but will be out in the next few weeks and there going 1 serever and will dog EVE into the ground...then you have STO coming out with in next year, and STO i bet will blow both EVE and champs.

i think its funny that ohhh EVE has the biggest single server, who cares game is still junk. and there are alot of MMO out there that put EVE to shame with there numbers they have for players.

You're a troll.

Fact is, that EvE has 300+k paying subscribers and the subscriber-base is still growing. Slowly, but constantly.
Fact is, that EvE has the highest PCU of all MMOs outthere, with between 40-50k players during the primetime (20:00 - 01:00 GMT).
Fact is, that EvE provides the biggest battles in a MMO (speaking of participants).

You might not get along with the open world FFA PvP and full looting in EvE, or you might find, that the learning-curve is too steap, but your trolling there does not do away with the facts.

So back to the question: Can STO be compared with EvE?

The simple answer would be: NO! Defnately not.

EvE Online is set to be open world FFA PvP with harsh consequences, if you die. There's full loot and you may even loose alot of skillpoints, if ou forgot to update your clone. So there's cases, where people loose skillpoints equal to a full month of skilltime.
The PvE-content in EvE Online is not worth mentioning. It's there to generate ISK, or to gather ressources, but CCP does give damn s*** about PvE-content actually and rightfully so.
EvE Online is all about player-driven content, e.g. territorial warfare and PvP in general.
95% of the items in EvE Online are crafted by players and the rest is rare NPC-drops, that get fitted onto shiny-ships before they blow up and the rare items are gone.
The economy itself in EvE Online is PvP, capitalism in it's best, and cheap tricks and scams are supported by CCP rather then denied.

STO will give you the option to participate in PvP, in EvE Online you have to basically.

STO will offer great stories and epic quests, whereas EvE Online has at best 300 different quests through the whole game (LvL1-5 missions + complexes!)

So yes, we can make it really short here: NO, they can't be compared.

[Hornet331]

well must not have gotten it...but to answer you lol champions online not even out but will be out in the next few weeks and there going 1 serever and will dog EVE into the ground...then you have STO coming out with in next year, and STO i bet will blow both EVE and champs.

i think its funny that ohhh EVE has the biggest single server, who cares game is still junk. and there are alot of MMO out there that put EVE to shame with there numbers they have for players.

So CO will have more then 50k pople playing form day one on one server... i doubt that very much....

[Manta2015]

Vorcain, I suggest you not troll and spew mindless gibberish when speculating on games that haven't even come out yet.

I'm still playing EvE in the trial version atm, very tempted to do the cheap Steam deal... There's a lot of things that take too long, but are required for the immersing universe it has presented ~ I know I won't have enough time to play it (and catch up to those who have amazing corporations and gigantic ships etc) But I'm finding it surprisingly fun exploring such a vast universe. The ship's graphics are far superior to STO's screenshots ATM, unless there are changes -- but that's to be expected. There's a reason why it's got 300,000 members and growing fast.

If STO has these many qualities but instead refines the ideas to not take so long, it'd be perfect... Simplified in comparison, but not *too* simple =)


-Manta-

[fireraven]

Vorcain, I suggest you not troll and spew mindless gibberish when speculating on games that haven't even come out yet.

I'm still playing EvE in the trial version atm, very tempted to do the cheap Steam deal... There's a lot of things that take too long, but are required for the immersing universe it has presented ~ I know I won't have enough time to play it (and catch up to those who have amazing corporations and gigantic ships etc) But I'm finding it surprisingly fun exploring such a vast universe. The ship's graphics are far superior to STO's screenshots ATM, unless there are changes -- but that's to be expected. There's a reason why it's got 300,000 members and growing fast.

If STO has these many qualities but instead refines the ideas to not take so long, it'd be perfect... Simplified in comparison, but not *too* simple =)


-Manta- the funny thing is to catch up it's really that hard since you can (if you choose) use in game money to buy characters with skiils you desire but even that's not necessary. I do like how open your options are in what you want to do in game.. whether you want to mission,mine, build or trade vs being a pirate, large alliance or small corp combat pilot....
hopefully STO will allow you a wide variety of options similar to this.

[DanSeale]

Has anyone played EVE online? How does it compare to STO? I tried EVE for like 10 mins and I couldn't stand it.. Nice graphics and all but everything seems so automated. Press one button to attack and just leave it to the AI? And the text is so miniscule you have to squint your eyes to read it..

Anyways just wondering since there aren't a lot of deep space MMO's out there. Just making a comparison here.

hmmm

comparing EvE to STO ....

That's like comparing Caster Oil ( EvE ) .... with your favorite ice cream .. (STO)

note: Caster Oil is a liquid used for medicinal purposes in the old days. If you have ever tasted it ... you WILL remember it ... and NEVER care to taste it again !

[renderpix]

EvE's graphics look incredible compared to STO in it's current state, and not just because of the cartoonish style STO has. I'll write more about it later, but I'm getting deep into the game atm ~ It's a game of patience, and it's got quite a steep learning curve, but extremely detailed and has the largest mmo-universe period ~ There are many attractive qualities about it.


-Manta-

Stunning graphics? :eek: After the upgrade to premium graphics the ships look better but the stunning graphics of the background is just that. A pretty background that repeats constantly, There was a question there in the forums wanting to know how few pics they use to do this. The learning curve is the paced learning for the toon, It could take at least a few months to dev a good PvP character that does not get cloned and recloned on a regular basis. It has attractive qualities but it's luster wears when the drive for ISK to stay equipped and upgrade outweighs just having fun. The PvP is fast paced and left up to AI and fitting your ship for the best tank and DPS, no real tatics in usage.

How can you compare Eve to STO? No one here has played STO, seen how the gameplay is like, we know nothing about the economy, we know nothing about pvp system.

For thos of us that played Eve for a few years know that STO is offering options that Eve has not on repeated attempts by player suggestions and requests. Seems Cryptic done their research.

so then which game has then the most players on one server playing all at the same time? :o

well must not have gotten it...but to answer you lol champions online not even out but will be out in the next few weeks and there going 1 serever and will dog EVE into the ground...then you have STO coming out with in next year, and STO i bet will blow both EVE and champs.

i think its funny that ohhh EVE has the biggest single server, who cares game is still junk. and there are alot of MMO out there that put EVE to shame with there numbers they have for players.

Eve has good footing in the Space Type MMO, so far no one else compares and are a lot like Eve-Online clones. I believe in a response to this post there was a statement that Eve has 300k+ subscribers and is going everyday. Seriously Please! A couple years back there were 50k plus on weekdays, now 20k plus on weekdays and lucky if they hit the fiftys on the weekends. The players that I knew back then are gone. When creating new toons most names are taken and if you do a toon lookup you will see that the name take is by a toon that is not in use by checking their stats or Agent standings. Eve is loosing subscribers like the PvE and the industralist that are bashed by the massive and growing priate/griefer base. There are the hard liners that have played for years, I know I was there but there is a constant turn-over of start-up players.

Yes it has the biggest battles in any MMOs. I have been in a fleet of ships containing over 150 ships. A great site when all are entering warp and during warp they are flying around you. But when engaged in battle there is the epic lag which is still present when turning off all of the preminum grafic content as well as the standard image effects.

Cryptic can learn from Eve an most likly has the one server universe. As well as the mistakes they made not to be repeated I hope where server lag issues are concerned. Unprotected PvE where you and your ship, yourself as well as mission objectives are concerned are held for ransom.

Eve is a good game that has many aspects that STO can learn from not to clone or copy and learn form there mistakes where I believe they failed, that's a different thread tho. But the facts are Eve-Online has been a mainstay for the Space Epic game because they have had no real competetion. Their backstory was failed at the start and the player base now has moved away from it and alot don't even know what backstory is. STO on the other hand has a history to build on that will need to be evolved into the STO universe that I think will be epic if Cryptic handles it right. :D

And I would love to see the Eve-Online ads replaced by STO in things like the Star Trek wikis. This goes to show that they need some comptetion. And you can really tell when something of any product design is hurting when everywhere you look there are ads. I remember products and corps like that, but alot of people don't. :D

[wootage]

EvE's graphics look incredible compared to STO in it's current state, and not just because of the cartoonish style STO has. I'll write more about it later, but I'm getting deep into the game atm ~ It's a game of patience, and it's got quite a steep learning curve, but extremely detailed and has the largest mmo-universe period ~ There are many attractive qualities about it.


-Manta-

Not for long, STO's universe will be gigantic as well - quote "thousands of worlds". They've made an automated mission generator that they control with narrative (the "Genesis machine" lol). Which is freakin' awesome, btw.

That being said, remember that Eve(il) Online has systems, but no planets, and many don't have stations. So it's pretty empty. STO is going to fill their systems with a lot of content for us via their new toy.

[wootage]

Vorcain, I suggest you not troll and spew mindless gibberish when speculating on games that haven't even come out yet.

I'm still playing EvE in the trial version atm, very tempted to do the cheap Steam deal... There's a lot of things that take too long, but are required for the immersing universe it has presented ~ I know I won't have enough time to play it (and catch up to those who have amazing corporations and gigantic ships etc) But I'm finding it surprisingly fun exploring such a vast universe. The ship's graphics are far superior to STO's screenshots ATM, unless there are changes -- but that's to be expected. There's a reason why it's got 300,000 members and growing fast.

If STO has these many qualities but instead refines the ideas to not take so long, it'd be perfect... Simplified in comparison, but not *too* simple =)


-Manta-

You mean there's a reason it has 100,000 members with 0-6 paid alt accounts each lol. Because CCP set up a massive sucker trap called the training system and it works. They got a few months out of me and I had my first alt account training up so I could "start having real fun" when I realized I was sinking into the quicksand and got out.

[Manta2015]

I'm not an EVE fanboy by any means ~ I want STO to surpass it on every level (except for the need for such patience requiring players to be 2-3 year veterans to get the top ships with thousands of other player's help ; lol)

But seeing it's massive and detailed starmap showing what engagements are going on in each and every system (there are among thousands) you can in fact be a pirate, be with a corporation, seek bounties for someone who might have ganked you, among other nice tidbits. I'm initially impressed with the vast scope this game, even while knowing I'll become bored as the time-sinks like week/month skill training become ridiculous.

So many great ideas I hope to be streamlined while incorporated into STO -- But from every screenshot I've seen in STO, only the backgrounds and star systems look better than EVE. The Federation and Klingon ships don't have the great detail and metallic shine that EVE's has, and the game was released in **2003**, the engine only receiving graphical upgrades in 2007. STO is scheduled for early 2010 and still looks inferior, and not just because they're cartoony ~ It's easily my biggest gripe. Now if we see another video in the near future showing otherwise, I'll gladly retract my statement =)

EVE doesn't have Away missions, ground combat or 'episodic' content -- So thankfully these are features that open up so many unique levels of gameplay, it's my absolute hope that Cryptic can really make this work out in the end =)


-Manta-

[1OF2]

*snip*

Eve has good footing in the Space Type MMO, so far no one else compares and are a lot like Eve-Online clones. I believe in a response to this post there was a statement that Eve has 300k+ subscribers and is going everyday. Seriously Please! A couple years back there were 50k plus on weekdays, now 20k plus on weekdays and lucky if they hit the fiftys on the weekends. The players that I knew back then are gone. When creating new toons most names are taken and if you do a toon lookup you will see that the name take is by a toon that is not in use by checking their stats or Agent standings. Eve is loosing subscribers like the PvE and the industralist that are bashed by the massive and growing priate/griefer base. There are the hard liners that have played for years, I know I was there but there is a constant turn-over of start-up players.

Go check http://www.eveonline.com/ snd then scroll down a little bit until you see the server-graph in the bottom right.

There's over 40k online every day between 20:00 GMT and 01:00 GMT. As I type this, there's 32k player online.

I don't know when you were last playing, but I guess you're not doing so for the last few month.

Yes it has the biggest battles in any MMOs. I have been in a fleet of ships containing over 150 ships. A great site when all are entering warp and during warp they are flying around you. But when engaged in battle there is the epic lag which is still present when turning off all of the preminum grafic content as well as the standard image effects.

Again, I don't think that you're playing for the last few month, as we've consatnt battles with 600+ players engaged without any lag at all nowadays. And that's with premium graphics turned on!

Cryptic can learn from Eve an most likly has the one server universe. As well as the mistakes they made not to be repeated I hope where server lag issues are concerned. Unprotected PvE where you and your ship, yourself as well as mission objectives are concerned are held for ransom.

The open world FFA PvP and full loot in EvE is actually the fact, why so many players play the game, and why I won't bother paying a cent for STO.
STO is all about PvE and PvE I can have tons for free without needing to deal with other players at all. I'm not playing a MMO for the PvE, it's boring as hell in every MMO I've played so far, and yes I've played my fair share of the MMOs during the last 10 years.
PvE and story is best in Single-Player games, why bother paying a monthly fee?

Eve is a good game that has many aspects that STO can learn from not to clone or copy and learn form there mistakes where I believe they failed, that's a different thread tho. But the facts are Eve-Online has been a mainstay for the Space Epic game because they have had no real competetion. Their backstory was failed at the start and the player base now has moved away from it and alot don't even know what backstory is. STO on the other hand has a history to build on that will need to be evolved into the STO universe that I think will be epic if Cryptic handles it right. :D

EvE Online does'nt need a story, the players write their own stories instead. That's sandbox!

[Hornet331]

The open world FFA PvP and full loot in EvE is actually the fact, why so many players play the game, and why I won't bother paying a cent for STO.
STO is all about PvE and PvE I can have tons for free without needing to deal with other players at all. I'm not playing a MMO for the PvE, it's boring as hell in every MMO I've played so far, and yes I've played my fair share of the MMOs during the last 10 years.
PvE and story is best in Single-Player games, why bother paying a monthly fee?


Then why even bother posting here? :p

[Devoras_Serenitus]

I dont get it. Why bother to compare two seperate MMO`s with different content, layout, background, player focus etc?
Myself i`m an old timer EVE player, but I would be dissapointed to see if any STO content gets any similar basis as the EVE content. As many others in here has stated, how can you compare when you dont know what STO will be?

[wrussandrews]

I dont get it. Why bother to compare two seperate MMO`s with different content, layout, background, player focus etc?
Myself i`m an old timer EVE player, but I would be dissapointed to see if any STO content gets any similar basis as the EVE content. As many others in here has stated, how can you compare when you dont know what STO will be?

People are bored and need something to talk about. It is easy for humans to speculate and jump to conclusions. That's pretty much it.

[RookActual]

The open world FFA PvP and full loot in EvE is actually the fact, why so many players play the game, and why I won't bother paying a cent for STO.

I know this has been asked just recently, but really, I feel the need to ask myself. If you don't intend to pay for STO, which very likely means you won't be playing STO, what other reason could you be on these forums aside from Trolling?

[Daemonllama]

Things Cryptic needs to steal from CCP, and very little else :

-The one server thingy that they do
-Shiny metallic ships

maybe ATARI can help with this...

[Devoras_Serenitus]

Things Cryptic needs to steal from CCP, and very little else :

-The one server thingy that they do
-Shiny metallic ships

maybe ATARI can help with this...

As long as they exclude the non symmetrical Caldari ships. Horrible design -.-

[RookActual]

As long as they exclude the non symmetrical Caldari ships. Horrible design -.-

Asymmetrical ships are awesome! I miss the old Kilrathi designs from Wing Commander 3.

[Devoras_Serenitus]

Asymmetrical ships are awesome! I miss the old Kilrathi designs from Wing Commander 3.

You Sir, are ilogical!

[RookActual]

You Sir, are ilogical!

In space, no one can hear your logic.

[Devoras_Serenitus]

In space, no one can hear your logic.

That I cant object to, but they can sure see me type.

[Daemonllama]

Agree Devoras. I should have expanded on that one , I was speaking only about textures. Ship Design inspiration should most definately NOT be sought from CCP.

Asymetrical sucks

[RookActual]

That I cant object to, but they can sure see me type.

Meh, you won't be able to type once I distract you with Lutefisk, Norwegian.

[Devoras_Serenitus]

Meh, you won't be able to type once I distract you with Lutefisk, Norwegian.

Yurk! Lutefisk suucks!! Its only the old timers who eat that.... stuff.. yesh!

Anyway, tactical, quantum torpedoes, aim for that Alf over there bearing 213, 567. Fire at will.

[RookActual]

Yurk! Lutefisk suucks!! Its only the old timers who eat that.... stuff.. yesh!

Anyway, tactical, quantum torpedoes, aim for that Alf over there bearing 213, 567. Fire at will.

Poor Will, what did he ever do to you? :D

[Devoras_Serenitus]

Poor Will, what did he ever do to you? :D

I wont go into detail :p

[Stronin]

Poor Will, what did he ever do to you? :D

Oh you witty witty man.

[Manta2015]

And so, the topic has exploded :D

I did in fact like the Merlin and Drake designs, among countless others, many look sleek and are highly detailed / polished.

There are in fact tens of thousands of planets and countless moons in the systems of EvE, most having stations and places to dock / do business They hired mathematicians, economists and other specialists to make the game it's own living, breathing galaxy -- and if more than a few hundred ships want to battle, they post in the forums, the devs boost server capacity, and then the biggest online battles in history commence (apparently one with 2000 or so ships involved)

If only the game didn't consider a player that's been playing for 8 months to be "just getting started".

If Cryptic threw more filters / refinement in their space engine, It'd beat EvE's more than easily ~ It's just the fact that it's not even out yet, and many new screens look... dated --


-Manta-

[Stronin]

Lets not get into the graphics debate again.

A game is only dated if they were attempting photoreal and then take so long their engine sucks by the time of release.

STO has always been stylized, that is their intent.

[renderpix]

Go check http://www.eveonline.com/ snd then scroll down a little bit until you see the server-graph in the bottom right.

There's over 40k online every day between 20:00 GMT and 01:00 GMT. As I type this, there's 32k player online.

I don't know when you were last playing, but I guess you're not doing so for the last few month.



Again, I don't think that you're playing for the last few month, as we've consatnt battles with 600+ players engaged without any lag at all nowadays. And that's with premium graphics turned on!



The open world FFA PvP and full loot in EvE is actually the fact, why so many players play the game, and why I won't bother paying a cent for STO.
STO is all about PvE and PvE I can have tons for free without needing to deal with other players at all. I'm not playing a MMO for the PvE, it's boring as hell in every MMO I've played so far, and yes I've played my fair share of the MMOs during the last 10 years.
PvE and story is best in Single-Player games, why bother paying a monthly fee?



EvE Online does'nt need a story, the players write their own stories instead. That's sandbox!

Then go play Eve

No Lag...... LOL go to Jita or have the gate blocked while trying to get into Amarr system to prevent the lag there. Go to a mission hub with 200+ ships and that causes lag. Eve is plauged with lag, 600+ ships not causing lag please...... your funny
And this is referring to space conflicts that are just done on the spur, not an arranged battle with dev notification like referred to in another post. How realistic is that?

While filing a petition on the notes it states do not file petitions about lag, they know it and don't want to hear about it. It has always been and issue and not much has been done over it.

I canceled my last subscription this month the other about 3 months ago. I'm trying to be nice about this. Eve is for some people not all and PvE is a major part of the online experience, you can do it with friends. The single player comment is a common thing to say in the Eve-Online community, with STO and exploration I don't your attitude will work here.

Server numbers flux and are sometime low, but for growing steady if that were the case the numbers would have grown from RMR and they have not, sorry.

Eve does not need your help recruiting they already have too many ads everywhere you look. If Eve is fun for you go play it, no need to convince others here to join you unless they are already there. Wonder if your a GM. :eek:

Fly Safe m8 :D

[wrussandrews]

Its a bit premature to compare the games, since STO is not even out yet. The truth is they are two very different games.

If you want to go play Eve, then by all means do so. If you want STO to be like Eve, then you will be dissapointed.

[Sobekeus]

I certainly hope STO will beat EvE into the ground.

[DarkOrion69]

STO will only siphon off EVE Online players that are tired of PvP focused game play there. I suspect that most of those players have left EVE Online years ago though, so this migration will be probably be negligible. However, if Cryptic makes griefing as easy and unmonitored as CCP does, they could get some of the PvP players of EVE to convert.

Bottom line STO seems PvE with PvP elements mixed in. EVE Online is PvP with a sad PvE afterthought. Of course that is just my opinion...

[SirReginaldo]

How about lets stop:D They are 2 different games, different focuses, different styles and made for different people. EvE is really just a gritty dark future where the economy still rules humanity and basically players choose what they want to do with what they have. STO is really a game between 2 factions for now, and basically how the players choose to interact between the factions and how they play the game will really depend on whether people choose or want to do PvE, PvP or both.

Its all fine and nice to say that STO rocks and EvE sucks, however we haven't even played the game and do not know how we or others will feel about the finished product! I am excited for the game and look forward to it. You can say that I do not like EvE, and that is my(yours maybe) opinion, however being rude about it to other players who may like the game isn't cool. Just remember that when we respect people in our forums, it does not mean that we do not have to respect people from outside the forums.

[renderpix]

STO will only siphon off EVE Online players that are tired of PvP focused game play there. I suspect that most of those players have left EVE Online years ago though, so this migration will be probably be negligible. However, if Cryptic makes griefing as easy and unmonitored as CCP does, they could get some of the PvP players of EVE to convert.

Bottom line STO seems PvE with PvP elements mixed in. EVE Online is PvP with a sad PvE afterthought. Of course that is just my opinion...

I do agree with you on the PvP orientation of Eve, it is pretty hardcore PvP platform. That was my main attraction to it. I have a lot of ships and a ton of isk left intact for their next release and hope they send me a 7 day to check it out to see if I want to play awhile again.

What if there is a strong economic base in STO it may attract industralist there are alot of them and most indys are carebear based. And let's look at the hardcore mission runner that just got ganked while running a low-sec mission while in their mission area. Mission hubs are some of the most crowded systems in the game. As for as Empire where most of these players exist it makes up a good population. Just wondering if you took those players and numbers into account. It might be more that you'd think. But most Eve-Online players are very devoted, I left option to go back.

A lot say the games can't be compared for now since STO is not released or they are different games, true enough. But when STO is released I won't be able to keep from comparing the two since I feel that the only other real space MMO is Eve.

[wrussandrews]

I do agree with you on the PvP orientation of Eve, it is pretty hardcore PvP platform. That was my main attraction to it. I have a lot of ships and a ton of isk left intact for their next release and hope they send me a 7 day to check it out to see if I want to play awhile again.

What if there is a strong economic base in STO it may attract industralist there are alot of them and most indys are carebear based. And let's look at the hardcore mission runner that just got ganked while running a low-sec mission while in their mission area. Mission hubs are some of the most crowded systems in the game. As for as Empire where most of these players exist it makes up a good population. Just wondering if you took those players and numbers into account. It might be more that you'd think. But most Eve-Online players are very devoted, I left option to go back.

A lot say the games can't be compared for now since STO is not released or they are different games, true enough. But when STO is released I won't be able to keep from comparing the two since I feel that the only other real space MMO is Eve.

Now that might threaten Eve. I am refering to the industrial base you speak of. Other than that, I really do not see either game threatening the other.

[Devoras_Serenitus]

OMG, stop already with the comparison. EVE and STO are two entirely different games with two PoV.

[DarkOrion69]

With all due respect to posters who I will not call out personally, trying to tell others to stop comparing EVE Online and STO is silly. This is a free speech forum, and the comparison between these two games is inevitable.

They are both Science Fiction MMORPG's set in outer space allowing players to cooperate and compete. They are both set on a massive scale on a single server. They both feature ship and ship upgrading elements. Are you starting to see enough similarities to consider it fair to compare them?

And for those that say we don't know enough about STO yet to compare, or that we didn't complete all the content in EVE Online and cannot judge that game fairly...I don't think you need to know everything about two IP's to form a subjective yet valid comparison. You don't need a Master's degree and 10 years experience to form an opinion on a topic either . Just need a keyboard and a forum really :)

It doesn't matter how much you want everyone to table the comparison, because STO is currently more promises than anything else. This means there will be idle, or even wild, speculation on it's content and game play. Also, EVE Online is really the only MMORPG similar enough to STO's premise to be fair to compare with. If you don't like the comparisons, just don't please open these kind of threads and try to shout people down.

[renderpix]

With all due respect to posters who I will not call out personally, trying to tell others to stop comparing EVE Online and STO is silly. This is a free speech forum, and the comparison between these two games is inevitable.

They are both Science Fiction MMORPG's set in outer space allowing players to cooperate and compete. They are both set on a massive scale on a single server. They both feature ship and ship upgrading elements. Are you starting to see enough similarities to consider it fair to compare them?

And for those that say we don't know enough about STO yet to compare, or that we didn't complete all the content in EVE Online and cannot judge that game fairly...I don't think you need to know everything about two IP's to form a subjective yet valid comparison. You don't need a Master's degree and 10 years experience to form an opinion on a topic either . Just need a keyboard and a forum really :)

It doesn't matter how much you want everyone to table the comparison, because STO is currently more promises than anything else. This means there will be idle, or even wild, speculation on it's content and game play. Also, EVE Online is really the only MMORPG similar enough to STO's premise to be fair to compare with. If you don't like the comparisons, just don't please open these kind of threads and try to shout people down.

Ditto and ditto again
Seems to be too much of the last line trying to control content of thread(s)

[SenatorPardek]

The big difference between the two games is going to seem like the most obvious statement of the year. Star Trek Online is set in the well-established, Star Trek Universe with loads of good-will, story, and nostalgia to draw from. I think that alone is going to set Star Trek Online apart from everything.

[HamishUK]

The Eve vs STO debate raises it's head again.

I have played Eve for over 3 years and as far as I can see the mechanics and gameplay will be very different. Eve is a PvP and player nased trading game. I doubt any game will equal Eve's economics and PvP content. STO will be much easier to get into and allow for a much more casual player base.

There is enough room on the internet for both games! Personally I like the choice of two different styles of gameplay.

[Kinjiru]

Ditto and ditto again
Seems to be too much of the last line trying to control content of thread(s)

Except for the fact that EVE is a game based on Capitalism run amok, and STO will be based on Exploration and a cold war arising from a humanitarian mission that increases tension between two super powers.

Berlin Airlift anyone? :D

I'm not saying that there can't be any comparisons, but it would seem that the only point of reference for the discussion are surface similarities.

[BiggN]

"trying to tell others to stop comparing EVE Online and STO is silly. This is a free speech forum, "

You can't come out and tell people to not tell other people what to do when you are telling people what to do yourself. As for the debate, STO will have a lot of work to do to be better than EVE if thats the route it wants to go... but it honestly doesn't need to be a better "game" than EVE.

Its Star Trek, so as long as it doesn't stink i'll be subscribed to it for 2-3 years.
Now I hardly play EVE, but if that game didn't have the economy, didn't have the Corps, didn't have offline training and didn't have the 0.0 PVP... I don't think it would be anywhere near as popular as it is today.

They found a way to make PvE influence and help support PVP in a non grind way and thats why i'm still subscribed to it today.

[DarkOrion69]

For myself, EVE Online is not 'teh suck' nor do I feel that STO is 'FTW'.

I played EVE Online for 6 months. 3 months of that I was in various medium sized corporations. When I was solo I was mining gank-bait more or less. When I joined corporations, I basically paid protection money to my corporation. The higher ups in my corp were PvP and I wanted to be the PvE behind the war machine. It was funny how they were always there to take my ISK or ore donations, but absent when I was being attacked while mining for the corporation in hi-sec space.

Of course they refused any retributive wars with my attackers as 'not a good idea at this time', or 'too costly' while PvE players like me made them rich so they could lose ship after ship fighting in low sec space. I tried more than one corp, before someone says I just chose bad corps. They are all run more or less ruthlessly capitalistic with the goal of subsidizing the corporations higher ups (veteran EVE players). I didn't enjoy paying a monthly fee to 'work for the man' after working in RL.

I am a PvE and RP fan. I would PvP-RP if I ever found anyone in an MMO that has the attention span to RP while P0wnz0ring everyone :)

[renderpix]

Except for the fact that EVE is a game based on Capitalism run amok, and STO will be based on Exploration and a cold war arising from a humanitarian mission that increases tension between two super powers.

Berlin Airlift anyone? :D

I'm not saying that there can't be any comparisons, but it would seem that the only point of reference for the discussion are surface similarities.

"Capitalism run amok" I see it as a RL reflection, they did a pertty good job setting up a base for player content to thrive. Cryptic has mentioned an economy and blackmarkets, that itsself can run amok with any luck being that humanitarian is only a part of the game viewpoint. If player contribs are going to be part of the game in an uncontrolled degree the federation is not going to be a utopia it will run amok imo, truly sorry about that view, the needs of the few will outweigh the need of the many in RL and MMOs.

These to games will be discussed everywhere to every degree if STO breaks into the MMO commuinty. It can't be helped. So far we really don't know enough to make over estimated claims but they exist. :rolleyes:

You can't come out and tell people to not tell other people what to do when you are telling people what to do yourself. As for the debate, STO will have a lot of work to do to be better than EVE if thats the route it wants to go... but it honestly doesn't need to be a better "game" than EVE.

Its Star Trek, so as long as it doesn't stink i'll be subscribed to it for 2-3 years.
Now I hardly play EVE, but if that game didn't have the economy, didn't have the Corps, didn't have offline training and didn't have the 0.0 PVP... I don't think it would be anywhere near as popular as it is today.

They found a way to make PvE influence and help support PVP in a non grind way and thats why i'm still subscribed to it today.

There are so many levels of you can't and don't post, they can't be stopped, sadly

If you look at STO's base world design it's a debate if it is original for STO or Eve looking at the ST galaxy map. STO seems to be attentive to Eve players with some of the starting options not given but highly asked for.

For myself, EVE Online is not 'teh suck' nor do I feel that STO is 'FTW'.

I played EVE Online for 6 months. 3 months of that I was in various medium sized corporations. When I was solo I was mining gank-bait more or less. When I joined corporations, I basically paid protection money to my corporation. The higher ups in my corp were PvP and I wanted to be the PvE behind the war machine. It was funny how they were always there to take my ISK or ore donations, but absent when I was being attacked while mining for the corporation in hi-sec space.

Of course they refused any retributive wars with my attackers as 'not a good idea at this time', or 'too costly' while PvE players like me made them rich so they could lose ship after ship fighting in low sec space. I tried more than one corp, before someone says I just chose bad corps. They are all run more or less ruthlessly capitalistic with the goal of subsidizing the corporations higher ups (veteran EVE players). I didn't enjoy paying a monthly fee to 'work for the man' after working in RL.

I am a PvE and RP fan. I would PvP-RP if I ever found anyone in an MMO that has the attention span to RP while P0wnz0ring everyone :)

A true Eve-Online vet with actual views. Show that the massive PvP base forgets the strong PvE an indys that exist. Your position goes all the way up to tha Alliance level. If they were able to shed all of the carebears that the higher PvPer dislike I wonder what the game would be..... crippled just like anyother MMO.

The Eve vs STO debate raises it's head again.

I have played Eve for over 3 years and as far as I can see the mechanics and gameplay will be very different. Eve is a PvP and player nased trading game. I doubt any game will equal Eve's economics and PvP content. STO will be much easier to get into and allow for a much more casual player base.

There is enough room on the internet for both games! Personally I like the choice of two different styles of gameplay.

I don't think we can estimate to what degree anything will be at this point even gameplay except what has been released.

But your right, there's room for both. I do hope there is more competetion in the area of general space flight or Eve will stay the uber space MMO and STO will just be a MMO about Star Trek. :(

[fireraven]

lol be damn funny if all the hated carebears took a 9 month break from Eve and watch the price of ships and everything go through the roof... no more replacing there shiny tech II ships right after they go boom.... no more easy kills to make them feel special about themselves...