Klingon Ships of the Line petition

[LebowskyBob]

Firstly, I'll be playing as the Federation and I'm happy to see all the love that Starfleet's been getting from Cryptic. However, I would really like to also see more things from the Klingons in the Ships of the Line page. I know we have the Raptor, but that's just one ship whereas three Starfleet ships and one other potentially Starfleet ship has been revealed...and on top of that...the Klingon design was just an update of an existing ship (which is cool).

In short, who else would like to see the unique new ships that Cryptic is making for the Klingons in the next couple Ships of the Line updates?:D

[Vorador]

I concur

More klingon love!

[mook42]

/AGREED we need to no more kilngon info :). i will play them so i would love to hear about them more

[Tamgros]

I'm pretty sure they did this to show us different ship class types. It would have been more confusing if they switched back and forth in Factions. They at least gave us the Raptor to give us one example. So now we have an example of a ship in each faction, and several different types of classes.

In any event, I'm not really worried about it. We'll get the Klingon ship types in time...

[Niles]

Agreed. I think I might actually start off with the Klingon as I love the whole "Honor and Glory of battle." aspect of their culture.

[ComradeWolfie]

While i intend to play Fed, I do think the klingons need more attention, half of the game content is going to be for klingons, while the press releases have focused virtually exclusively on Feds. More klingon love Cryptic please....

[Grey2ham]

I'm pretty sure they did this to show us different ship class types. It would have been more confusing if they switched back and forth in classes. They at least gave us the Raptor to give us one example. So now we have an example of a ship in each faction, and several different types of classes.

In any event, I'm not really worried about it. We'll get the Klingon ship types in time...

Agreed. I think they're trying to show us the options available

[thefrayl]

I would love to see some more Klingon content, but I'm not overly concerned about it at the moment. It's not like STO is coming out next week or anything. :)

[Spire]

Agreed. I think they're trying to show us the options available

And they can't do this with Klingon ships why? Not all of the Klingon ships are going to be the exact same type as the bird of prey. They should have as many varieties as the Feds, they are the other half of the game.

I agree with the OP. I want to see the Klingon's carrier, or at least something besides a little cloaked ship.

[dahakahacker2000]

Agreed, but I'm not to worried about it because while I am in fact going to play klingon, I am enjoying scoping out the competition. :cool:

[thefrayl]

This thread made me go and look through the screenshots again... and I swear I remember seeing an in game Bird of Prey before, but the only Klingon ship shots I can find now are...

http://uploads.startrekonline.com/sto_screen_032709_03.jpg

and...

http://uploads.startrekonline.com/screen_sto_009.jpg

Am I just imagining things or was there a BoP screen before?

[wrussandrews]

Please, more Klingon ships!

[SiskoBell]

/Agreed. I'd like to see another Klingon vessel (or Gorn or Naussican ship if they will use non-Klingon types) in the next update. Also agree that there's no rush, but as a future Starfleet player, I too would enjoy more Klingon content.

[_Pax_]

/signed.

I plan on playing many alts - but "Klingon Carrier Captain" is very very high up on my list. I would LOVE to see something about a Carrier-minded hull, or really, ANYthing else for the Klingons. They've only shown ONE Klingon ship so far, the Raptor. 8(

[bridgeburner18]

i fear what happened with wow launch almost 3:1 alliance on many servers if they don't start getting people salivating for the klingons with some happy goodies. They need a ship of the line and IMHO they need to do a path from their perspective. everythign written so far has either been from fed side or narrative side.

[Loekii]

I think, in Cryptic's defense, the SoL is subject to completion and PR approval.

So if there are 5 klingon ships and 1 fed ship, and the fed ship is ready now, they post the Fed ship -- rather than further delay the release of information simply to hold the slot open for a Klingon ship.

However, that does not mean they could not put out some Klingon love elsewhere (Klingon based Polls or Kobi's).

[vp21ct]

QU'PLA

Totally for this.

[grumpy-mcfart]

/signed.

I want to see the more klingon ships as well.

[Kinjiru]

I'm fairly curious myself, I'd love to see some of the ships that will be in the carrier class. (and what they're "carrying".) :)

[Tumek]

Make it so!

[VengefulTick]

Signed!!!!

WTB Klingon ship information!

oh...and see my signature for the Klingon STO homepage skin!

[Spacemanspiff]

/signed for more Klingon ships. The Feds are up 4-1, so I think we should get the next 3 :D

[Stu1701]

I would love to see some more Klingon content, but I'm not overly concerned about it at the moment. It's not like STO is coming out next week or anything. :)

I agree, it would be fantastic to see more Klingon content, but there's still quite a bit of time before STO's release. We'll get to see more, just wait a bit.

[Powerhelm]

I'd actually like to see more Klingon ships too though I imagine most of them are very similar to one's we've already seen. If the lack of imiagination on the fed side is any indicator we'll probably see more cut and paste from the TOS and Enterprise...so get ready for some D7 refit :p

[Azurian]

/signed for more Klingon ships. The Feds are up 4-1, so I think we should get the next 3 :D

Actually, if you look at Thorn's list of spacecraft in STO. Federation literally has over 20, while Klingons have 4 so far. :(

I'd actually like to see more Klingon ships too though I imagine most of them are very similar to one's we've already seen. If the lack of imiagination on the fed side is any indicator we'll probably see more cut and paste from the TOS and Enterprise...so get ready for some D7 refit.

D7 Refit's called the K'tinga. :p

Now they can refit D5's. ;)

[LebowskyBob]

Actually, if you look at Thorn's list of spacecraft in STO. Federation literally has over 20, while Klingons have 4 so far. :(



D7 Refit's called the K'tinga. :p

Now they can refit D5's. ;)

A K'tinga refit, restyled and made more 'modern' looking like the Excalibur class would be cool IMO. The D-7/K'tinga is the coolest Klingon ship in Trek, with the BoP being the second coolest.

[Atavax]

alittle surprised i havent seen a dev response.

[Aoshi1]

Thank you, devs, for the info and pic of that awesome Raptor class ship, but indeed, we would like more info/pics on some of the rest of the Klingon ships. Please:D

[phifur]

I want to see a Klingon Carrier Class Ship !!!:)

[Deyvid]

I'm pretty sure they did this to show us different ship class types. It would have been more confusing if they switched back and forth in Factions. They at least gave us the Raptor to give us one example. So now we have an example of a ship in each faction, and several different types of classes.

In any event, I'm not really worried about it. We'll get the Klingon ship types in time...

How would it be confusing? If they did a 1:1 it would be very helpful and easy to understand, showing a Federation ship and then the basic equivalent or counter-part on the Klingon side. It wouldn't be too confusing to see a Vor'cha or Negh'Var and compare it to the NX-91001, or show an updated Bird of Prey next to a ship like the Excalibur.

The lack of information on the Klingon side, if intended to build up anticipation, is also leading to disappointment and discouraging feelings that the Klingon content will be somewhat of an after-thought, not as detailed or expanded as Federation content.

We have seen non-canonical, brand new ships on the Federation side, in the screenshots, Ships of the Line, and the only trailer (Excalibur, Oslo), but we have NOT seen a single new design or "potential customization" of a Klingon ship. All we have seen is existing designs of Klingon ships that appear exactly as they did on the shows. Bird of Prey, Vor'cha, Raptor, all exactly the same. We still don't know if the Orions, Naussicans, and Gorn will have their own racial designs or if they will be flying stock Birds of Preys and Vor'chas.

People complained that the NX-91001 was just a refitted, modified Sovereign, but at least you Fedrats got to see a refit / mod (along with the Excalibur and the Oslo). Imagine if all they showed you was the standard, stock, typical Sovereign -- claimed it was better, faster, more advanced, but still looks exactly the same.

They say they have a new Klingon ship, the carrier, but we have essentially no information about it, never seen even a thumbnail sketch or doodle of it.

Klingon players would like to get a little more attention, more information, if they want us to continue to hang around and support the game, and not abandon the game for lack of support for us.

The STO team is dropping the ball with the Klingon players. Community relations should apply to the entire community, not just the Federation players.


This thread made me go and look through the screenshots again... and I swear I remember seeing an in game Bird of Prey before, but the only Klingon ship shots I can find now are...

http://uploads.startrekonline.com/sto_screen_032709_03.jpg

and...

http://uploads.startrekonline.com/screen_sto_009.jpg

Am I just imagining things or was there a BoP screen before?

Nope, they indeed released a screenshot of a Bird of Prey during the New York ComicCon. It must have been part of some exclusivity deal or something, since they haven't included it on the main website (the way they usually put screenshots on the main site a few days / week after they hit some other site like TenTon Hammer or GameSpot or whatever).

Here's the screenshot....

Bird of Prey (http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm184/deyvid_mmo/STO/sto-nycc-screen-1.jpg)

The fact that they haven't even included the screenshot of the Bird of Prey in the main screenshots page is further evidence of them dropping the ball with the Klingon content support.

STO team, I love you guys, and can't wait to play the game (AS A KLINGON), but come on, can we get more Klingon content than just an occasional bone thrown at us?

[tonymetpolice]

ill sign. more klingon ships please!!

[DarkBarron]

/sign

Would love to see more of the Klingons and indeed their aligned races.

[dokou123]

/sign

Come on show me some klingon ships and their awsum weaponary

[RanizMurjuri]

*raises fist*

Klingon Power!

Show it to me baby!





not cliché enough for you?

[ParanoidAndroid]

/sign for sure. I am absolutely starved for more Klingon material.

[seancorycooper]

/signed..MOAR KLiNGON SHIPS :)

[dieuwe10]

Signed.

I don't care what we get as long as we get something soon.

[Ensign.Ricky]

Signed.

I don't care what we get as long as we get something soon.

I can see it now..."New Ship of the line: .....Klingon Escape pod..." :(

[Ora]

I agree... Even if everyone goes Starfleet you will need some idea of what your supposed to shoot a... I mean negociate with.

[grumpy-mcfart]

I can see it now..."New Ship of the line: .....Klingon Escape pod..." :(

lol, that's a good one

[LebowskyBob]

I agree... Even if everyone goes Starfleet you will need some idea of what your supposed to shoot a... I mean negociate with.

agreed...........

[Eddie_Carey]

/signed

In general the forums are lopsided towards Federation and as far as i can see the content is too.:(

I want to see non-Federation playable ships with the specs in Ships of the Line,

Just today looking at posts like this I wonder if the mission content will be klingons running Federation type missions where diplomacy will be a key factor. If Klingons don't start getting more love we may need to call this SFO StarFleet Online :eek:

[Ora]

/signed

In general the forums are lopsided towards Federation and as far as i can see the content is too.:(

I want to see non-Federation playable ships with the specs in Ships of the Line,

Just today looking at posts like this I wonder if the mission content will be klingons running Federation type missions where diplomacy will be a key factor. If Klingons don't start getting more love we may need to call this SFO StarFleet Online :eek:

They have said that all missions will be solvable in a number of different ways, I assume that means at least a way to win by fighting or being diplomatic

[dark11]

i think we should see more ships from the klingon's and other races what do all of you think?
and i also think it would be cool too be able too send criptic our own ship desines so other's could see our masterpieces. what do all of you think?

[47Wasps]

/sign

I'm undecided on which faction I will join,and one of the deciding factors is the ships. But its hard for me to make a decision when so little Klingon information and ships have been released.

[SIMONLEV]

Yes the content on Klingons is definitely lacking. Who are klingons what are they? Where do they come from? What do they wear what kind of ranking do they use? IMO everything on this website is all Starfleet and if there are new people joining the Startrek niche they wont know what a Klingon even is (were not in the new movie) so lets have a history lesson.

[Zepath]

No clue if this is what they are doing ... but a lot of developers focus on getting one side completed, then they have the "guideline" for building the other side .... a little easier to keep things relatively balanced that way.

So I would suspect you'll see X come out for the Federation .... and then as X become more solidified into concrete, you'll see Y come out for the Klingons.

[Matthias_DuBastyra]

How about the Klingon B-10 (http://sfc.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/images/ships/GowsB11lr.jpg) from the old StarFleet battles game--maybe not the same ship but something similar in scope! Quite a monster in the board game.

[dark11]

Yes the content on Klingons is definitely lacking. Who are klingons what are they? Where do they come from? What do they wear what kind of ranking do they use? IMO everything on this website is all Starfleet and if there are new people joining the Startrek niche they wont know what a Klingon even is (were not in the new movie) so lets have a history lesson.

i agree compleaty its not faire to the klingon empire all haill the empire =)

[Loekii]

I find it odd that the main sight doesn't even Tell new players that there is more than just the 'Federation' side in the game.

[mengert]

I would like to see more klingon as well as other races ships.

[VengefulTick]

WTB Klingon ship information!

/signed

[phifur]

I so want to see a Klingon Carrier Please with a cherry on top :)

[Elboulevardo]

/signed

Klingons need some serious information, while i want to play Feds, i wanna see if the Klingon side will be appealing enough to want to try a Klingon character too...and so i can see what ships are getting my torpedos up their arse :)

[dyvimtorm]

I find it odd that the main sight doesn't even Tell new players that there is more than just the 'Federation' side in the game.



You missed the announcement? Cryptic is delaying KDF and re-skinning everything to Romulan, thanks to the new movie popularity. This also explains the lack of recent Klingon information.

(Oh wait, sorry, that was a dream I had....) :D

[Vorador]

Wish STO would be more like SW:TOR. They show the sith and republic equally. STO is mainly all federation with a few glimpses of the klingons.

[VengefulTick]

Indeed....

[Loekii]

You missed the announcement? Cryptic is delaying KDF and re-skinning everything to Romulan, thanks to the new movie popularity. This also explains the lack of recent Klingon information.

(Oh wait, sorry, that was a dream I had....) :D

My 'nightmare' is that they have dropped the 2nd faction (Klingons) and only the Feds will be playable at release. :(

[NCC1970]

I would like to see some Romulan ships. I want a Warbird so can slaughter some Galaxy class ships and Vorcha's.

[Loekii]

I would like to see some Romulan ships. I want a Warbird so can slaughter some Galaxy class ships and Vorcha's.

Here are two screenshots of Romulan ships:

http://www.startrekonline.com/screenshots?img=62 (The first and third pic in the "Tuesday, May 19 , 2009" group.)

[VengefulTick]

C'mon folks! Don't give up on this thread!


CLEAR!

*BZZZ*

CLEAR!


Seriously though...don't give up!

[phifur]

I am so down Cryptic is trying so hard not to give us Klingon stuff


J/K :p I hope we get something today

[Capulet]

/sign

Let us see some ships worthy of a warrior!

[Cardassian_Vole]

You got my vote. I want to be Gorn at the launch...

Or an evil Cardassian :D

In any case: Long Live Diversity!

[Arsinoe]

Perhaps they will work through the ships of 1 faction, in this case the Federation before switching to the Klingon ships. :)

[VengefulTick]

WTB an answer to our request!!!

C'mon Cryptic folks!!! Quite being so darned.....cryptic....yeah....I went there.

[RookActual]

I hope the next Ship of the Line is a K'tinga that's been duct taped back together and converted into an unarmed garbage hauler. :mad: That way, your pitiful Klingon Fleet will have been greatly improved upon. :cool:

[Loekii]

C'mon folks! Don't give up on this thread!


CLEAR!

*BZZZ*

CLEAR!


Seriously though...don't give up!

It would be different is we saw some effort to indicate otherwise:

Alternating between Factions for Ship of the Line entries
Some Klingon additions to the Website Skin/Appearance
Alternating or even a 1:3 Klingon type Kobyashi Maru.


However, that is not the case, and things proceed as if this game is just a Federation only game.:mad:

Like I said, I honestly would not be surprised to see Cryptic say they are doing a Fed Only game at release.:(

[LebowskyBob]

Heck, at this point I'd be happy even if Cryptic simply made a statement that no real info on the Klingons or their ships would be released until after the Federation has been hashed out. It would make sense to do that sure, but there's no real point to keeping us in the dark about it.

[knightofhyrule730]

i wouldnt be upset seeing some specs for the bird of prey. although, i think some other people have said it too, they are probably just doing this to keep everything orderly. im sure in a month or two, or three, all we will see is klingon ships (and the noobs will complain about that :P)

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Firstly, I'll be playing as the Federation and I'm happy to see all the love that Starfleet's been getting from Cryptic. However, I would really like to also see more things from the Klingons in the Ships of the Line page. I know we have the Raptor, but that's just one ship whereas three Starfleet ships and one other potentially Starfleet ship has been revealed...and on top of that...the Klingon design was just an update of an existing ship (which is cool).

In short, who else would like to see the unique new ships that Cryptic is making for the Klingons in the next couple Ships of the Line updates?:D

Yes as a senior figure in the Federation id love to see some Klingon vessals to prepare my fleets well ahead of launch so hear hear Lebowskybob

[J.L.Picard]

Klingons are getting freights with weapons attached...


Give us more FEDERATION!!!

[Finishthis]

I can't see why Klingon ships need to be finished. WHERES MY ROMULAN!

[Jag-Fell]

I would love to see the Qang/Chancellor class heavy cruiser. :D

[_Pax_]

... honestly, I begin to worry for the quality of the Klingon faction experience, given the inexlicable dearth of Klingon-specific ocntent yet released, or even mentioned, by Cryptic to date. :(

[Capulet]

hmmm a thought.. maybe the specifics of the ships should be more closely guarded, from he opposing factions. This would make engagements more...interesting. (Klingon B'rel) "sir, long range sensors have detected two ships warping into the system. unknown type, hull configurations are...federation" Captain " close our distance to fifty thousand kilometers and scan" (aboard a federation ship) "Captain sensors are detecting increased tetrion particles off our port bow" Federation Captain " Maintain course and speed, prepare to raise shields on my command, lets no let them know they are detected"


would be much more interesting than both sides knowing exactly what the others capabilities are. The unknown would add tension and excitement to encounters.

[renderpix]

We can guess all we want over why the Klingon content is lacking. But i got some concerns over it.

I tried to use the Search to look over the Kobayashi Maru Volumes and find it an over whelming info overload of results mostly non-related but my question on this.

How many Kobayashi Maru Vols are in a Klingon viewpoint, and how many have been summited.

The site has been up since 2008 and there are 4 ships listed in the Ships of the Line. I suspect that Cryptic has put together more than 4 ships since the release of the ingame video, there are ships in the vid not in SotL, so why are they lacking. If someone answers they have not been configured yet then Christmas or the first of 2010 is way too early an estimate for release.

Ships of the Line lists 3 Federation ships 1 Klingon and a freaking ships built by a private Cardassian builder with not specs..... lol. I again wonder why there are not adding them as soon as they get them configured if the Type VII Commercial Laboratory Update most likely an NPC ship is listed.

The one ship that I wonder about the Bird of Pray? There are alot of posts on it, So why the mystery, I hope that it is not a move like PE with the announcement that it will be Federation only GamePlay. If only one sided why have an MMO?

There is a total lack of Klingon ships, content and attention. There again is a lack of ships of any kind in the Ships of the Line, furture Klingon players want to see more but I guess the Federation players would like to see a jump in ship postings especially the start-up ship the Miranda class or if it will be the start-up. And as many post that I have found about Klingon content wanted why is there not a Cryptic response of any kind?

I see forum wars over topics that could be resolved over some simple input or as it were output. Like the PvP thing :rolleyes:

Come-on Cryptic were giving the love :D

[RookActual]

hmmm a thought.. maybe the specifics of the ships should be more closely guarded, from he opposing factions. This would make engagements more...interesting. (Klingon B'rel) "sir, long range sensors have detected two ships warping into the system. unknown type, hull configurations are...federation" Captain " close our distance to fifty thousand kilometers and scan" (aboard a federation ship) "Captain sensors are detecting increased tetrion particles off our port bow" Federation Captain " Maintain course and speed, prepare to raise shields on my command, lets no let them know they are detected"


would be much more interesting than both sides knowing exactly what the others capabilities are. The unknown would add tension and excitement to encounters.

With sensor technologies what they are in that century, it doesn't take long to develop a database of information and distribute it where it needs to go. Beyond that, if the information coudl be withheld, I guarantee every stat would be posted within a week of launch anyways, and I highly doubt you'll be forced to play only one faction anyways. So you could easily access the information just as directly.

[Duras]

petition...
Signed*

[rencal1975]

I concur; would like to see more info on the Kilingon side of things. While my first character will be federation, I'll probably end up playing on the Klingon side just to get some story and lore from that portion of the Universe.

[CrisNavarro]

Firstly, I'll be playing as the Federation and I'm happy to see all the love that Starfleet's been getting from Cryptic. However, I would really like to also see more things from the Klingons in the Ships of the Line page. I know we have the Raptor, but that's just one ship whereas three Starfleet ships and one other potentially Starfleet ship has been revealed...and on top of that...the Klingon design was just an update of an existing ship (which is cool).

In short, who else would like to see the unique new ships that Cryptic is making for the Klingons in the next couple Ships of the Line updates?:D

Hallelujah, and Amen

[Loekii]

I actually have little to no interest in playing the Feds.

[renderpix]

I actually have little to no interest in playing the Feds.

Since my time here I see some that just do not understand that choice, As for me I understand completely, but I wonder if the Klingon experience is going to be the Federation experience with different mission objectives and secenry. :(

[Jagdraben]

Forgive my impertinence, but... shouldn't we, perhaps, also take a look at the vessels of other species and empires? Like, perhaps, the Romulans? It would be nice to see a Romulan vessel that we didn't see in every episode of TNG and DS9 that dealt with the Romulans. The one Klingon ship we've seen thus far is a relatively new design. The Federation starships are new designs. But even in the screenshots, we have yet to see something new from the Romulans.

But that's just my opinion.

[renderpix]

Forgive my impertinence, but... shouldn't we, perhaps, also take a look at the vessels of other species and empires? Like, perhaps, the Romulans? It would be nice to see a Romulan vessel that we didn't see in every episode of TNG and DS9 that dealt with the Romulans. The one Klingon ship we've seen thus far is a relatively new design. The Federation starships are new designs. But even in the screenshots, we have yet to see something new from the Romulans.

But that's just my opinion.

Don't think yourself impertanant, it would be good to see classes of ships from every race other than the basic generics. Here's a good link for ST ships.

http://www.st-intelligence.com/begin.php

I feel that any ship that is designed for STO at this time should be in the SotL so we may see their specs along with the added feather of basic custom fittings.

Now the Raptor is the only canon ship in SotL visually, it compares in detail the ENT episodes "Sleeping Dogs", "Marauders" Except in Marauders it had cargo containers mounted. And it is not a new design by canon it's design goes back to the 22nd century. I think a confirmed ship for STO that no one expected for the Klingons. The Federation and Cardassian designed ships I would like to call STO canon.

Since the Federation and Klingon are the starting factions I would like to see more of there ships, More Klingon, Gorn and Orion ships please. Additional race ships would be a nice touch

[The-Raver]

We need to see more Klingon ships. I have to see what ships are available to me in my quest to destroy the Federation.

[jfolds1]

I wana see a Neg'var !!

and I hope the Sword of Kahless class has survived as well...

[VengefulTick]

We need to get this back on the first page and fill it to overflowing!

Dev's answer to other posts on far less important topics and yet we don't even get a nod on this thread.

It is frustrating!

[SIMONLEV]

Im sure they are working on it but a stirring in my blood permits me to give this a bump

[47Wasps]

and I hope the Sword of Kahless class has survived as well...

That would make a very cool mission or tour of duty...
Hunt down the Sword of Kahless,and recapture her for the honor of the Empire.

[Jagdraben]

Now the Raptor is the only canon ship in SotL visually, it compares in detail the ENT episodes "Sleeping Dogs", "Marauders" Except in Marauders it had cargo containers mounted. And it is not a new design by canon it's design goes back to the 22nd century.

Oh. My bad. I never really watched ENT. And I'm 99.9% certain that I never saw any of the ENT episodes dealing with the Klingons... well, I did. But I don't remember seeing any Klingon warships in it. I do remember seeing the introduction of the Romulans in ENT, but I don't remember seeing the Romulan ship on ENT (although I have seen them since on Memory Alpha, &c.).

[Devren]

Haha, I agree with a couple of the others that even though I'm going to be playing as a member of the Federation, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the next Ship in Line is a Klingon one. Even Klingons need some lovin', just ask Worf :-P

[Atavax]

Agreed. I think they're trying to show us the options available


that doesnt make sense because the class of ships the klingons have is totally different then the federation. for example, we still have no idea what a carrier ship is going to be like because its Klingon, and they only have 1 Klingon ship and its not a carrier. the different factions have completely different types of ships, so showing only 1 faction's ships does not give us more information about the different options available, it gives us less info.

[CrazyVulcan]

the community has asked and i answer

time to show the klingons a little love

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=8b55a2a0c62bdb6435693535e799f38c&ct=mdsa

no i need you help outline excatly what kind of klingon ship you want and a name for it and i will make it to the best of my abilty and haveing who ever wants one closly involved in the design prosses form start to finish :)

-Butters

[perfect_nosferatu]

/signed

although I'll be a fed, i would love to see more ships i can Pwn :p

[renderpix]

Oh. My bad. I never really watched ENT. And I'm 99.9% certain that I never saw any of the ENT episodes dealing with the Klingons... well, I did. But I don't remember seeing any Klingon warships in it. I do remember seeing the introduction of the Romulans in ENT, but I don't remember seeing the Romulan ship on ENT (although I have seen them since on Memory Alpha, &c.).

In ENT episode "Minefield" I believe the only Romulan ship in the series or season was the 22nd century Romulan Bird of Prey. There is a pic in the screenshots here at STO so it must be ingame at least as an NPC for missions and other. And a hope that when Romulan is playable it can be used. :cool:

Here is a better image

http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship_database/kling/22nd.php

"More Please"
Oliver Twist

[VengefulTick]

I will try to keep this on the front page as much as possible for visibility. I encourage all of you that signed it to do the same!

[VengefulTick]

Well...being that no one has posted since my last, I am not encouraged.

Where is the dedication within this short attention span society?

I would still like to see some more Klingon information.

[Atavax]

im sure the devs have seen it; its not like keeping this on the front page is going to pressure them enough to make them give us results.

[Wardog00]

I wish to see the ships of the Empire that I will use against the Honorless Federation PetaQ'!

[VengefulTick]

im sure the devs have seen it; its not like keeping this on the front page is going to pressure them enough to make them give us results.

It cannot hurt to try and continually remind them. If any of the developers have seen it, recognition of that would be nice.

You're apathetic attitude is a perfect example of what I was talking about btw.

[ZebOswalt]

My main will be Fed, but for my secondary I'll play a Nausicaan still haven't named him.....but, so far I call him Nos. So he'll be Captain Nos. And probly have him pilot a Vorcha. Is a Voodieh a class? Ah I'll probly just use the Vorcha.

[RookActual]

My main will be Fed, but for my secondary I'll play a Nausicaan still haven't named him.....but, so far I call him Nos. So he'll be Captain Nos. And probly have him pilot a Vorcha. Is a Voodieh a class? Ah I'll probly just use the Vorcha.

Voodieh is a variant Negh'Var. You probably knew this, but I wanted to be a know-it-all.

[Greenomen]

/bump lol Got to keep this thread alive.

[Xenoshaft]

I agree, however we could also get to see some of the "npc" ships we will get to fight at endless hours of the night !!! :D

we also can see in screens/movie we will be able to play/see in the game.

vor'cha
Romie scout-- Bird of pray
Romie Warbird -D'deridex class body style- (I hope we see some of the new class of warbird)
Saber class
modified Ambassador class
Akira
Norway
Nova
Centaur
Constitution MOD- Excaliber class..
Mod Sovren class NX??
Gorn ship
A Talarian warship - seen inTNG: "Suddenly Human"

Also we can safly say that most of these ships below will be in the trek universe in some mod'd way.
D'kora - Ferengie Murader
Kling - Bird of pray /K'vort/B'rel types
SteemRunner
Constilation
Excelsior
k't'inga/d-5 class type would be cool.
Negh'Var Im sure...


and im sure some other crazy other classes they come up with- I hope they spend some time making alot more neat-o ships for the klingons.. Lets face it-- they have some cool ships but only like or 6 kinds that you see in the shows.

[VengefulTick]

Warping this to the first page!

[Sobekeus]

I too would like to see more Klingon vessels. It has always been pretty annoying that Feds get most of the attention, from devs and fans alike.

I suspect I'll enjoy a B'Rel or K'Vort class ship if they are ingame.

[Atavax]

It cannot hurt to try and continually remind them. If any of the developers have seen it, recognition of that would be nice.

You're apathetic attitude is a perfect example of what I was talking about btw.

yes, it can hurt; people usually dont like getting nagged; and it is doubtful they would encourage such acts by acknowledging the thread.

[VengefulTick]

I'm keeping it's visibility up.

Taking a stand on something. Aknowledging the thread would quell the fears of those that plan to play the Klingon faction.

We "nag" not because we have answers, only because we do not have answers.

They are busy folks, just like the rest of us who work. Things can be forgotten if not reminded of. Doubt me? Ask the inventor of the "sticky note" how well his product sells.

I am not being beligerant, ignorant, or rude with my posts and/or requests.

I am asking only for information and answers. Nothing others on the forums have not done themselves.

On a side note...I'm guessing your going to play as Federation...

[LebowskyBob]

I had kinda thought that the devs would have responded in some fashion to this thread by now, even if only to give us a vague and general idea of when we can expect to start seeing more info on the Klingons.

[Sobekeus]

Silence usually precedes disappointment.

[ryecrash]

I'd like to see more Klingon ships just so I know what I'll be blasting out of the sky. ;)

[VengefulTick]

I'd like to see more Klingon ships just so I know what I'll be blasting out of the sky. ;)

Lies! You only think that ship is alone....

[VengefulTick]

Bump for Klingon equality!!

[DarkOrion69]

Quick, post me some Klingon ships so I can fantasize about my future in a Starfleet Maintenance career path. Imho, the Alpha Quadrant has needed a good cleaning for centuries :)

But seriously folks, Cryptic has proven to release only dribbles of information with STO so far. Do you really think a forum petition is going to change the speed of what they release? I think they will release what they wish when they have finalized new Klingon SotL.

[RookActual]

If you Klingons are such great warriors, why do you need so many different Starships? We Fleeters, you know, we're not much to whoop on, according to you guys. Certainly all you really need is a K'Tinga, a snickers bar and an extended lunch break to mop the floor with us, right?

/on billlumberghvoice

Buuuut...maybe we have a Death Star we've been hiding all these years. You would never expect that, though, would you? Nope, not something from a different universe. Couldn't happen right? Yeah, I'm sure it was just an overmining operation that blew up Praxis, and a nearby supernova that got Romulus and Remus. Those are good logical explanations, the kind our friends the Vulcans could easily deduce for you. Just have to wonder why we haven't lost a planet to catastrophic circumstances. Oh well....no one would ever believe in an arm of the Federation that would go to such 'unethical' extremes....

[Avenger_Dragon]

One thing to think of, all the new ships so far are just that, new and unseen in previous forms of Star Trek. The Raptor was even a gross difference from the one seen in ENT.

We obviously know older ships are in the game, so question begs to differ, why are we not seeing the vor'cha, neg'var, or even K'tinga class ships?

My theory is it's because of actual copyright issues that have yet to be resolved. No idea how to explain why they are still shown in screenshots without repurcussion, so don't ask, it's a theory. So there's the other question, does the klingon empire need new ships when they keep using k'tinga class ships and already have ships to match sovereign and excalibur class ships already? (vor'cha and neg'var) Simply, the klingon's don't need another new ship, they just go the easier route and make ships they have badder and meaner, hence no need to make a "new" ship, and leaves cryptic stuck with using cannon material they may not be allowed to display on the website. Same story for other races since they are in a weakened state and don't have the resources to produce a "new" ship, maybe the gorn or some other secondary race could, but our main focus here is the big three, Feds, Roms, and Klinks.

Or they're just burning through their fed designs and will come out with klingon ships closer to launch date.

Just a thought.

[RookActual]

There are no copyright issues where Vood'iehs, Negh'Vars, Vor'chas, K'tingas, K'vorts and B'rel's are concerned.

[Arcturus]

We have seen the re imagined constitution class, time for D-7 love!

[Avenger_Dragon]

RookActual: Then i got nothing, i'm hoping for more klingon stuff just like anyone else.

Arcturus: I'm right there with you, I'd love to see a 25th century D-7 or k'tinga

[RookActual]

RookActual: Then i got nothing, i'm hoping for more klingon stuff just like anyone else.


The Federation has a lot more existing content to work from, to develop stylization. The Empire will be incorporating vessels from other races(Gorn, Naussican and Orion), so I have to assume this will complicate matters greatly as they not only have to try and peg down the Klingon style, but the artistic and functional style of three other races. Then it has to be agreed their function is applicable and practical in comparison to the opposition. I have a feeling we're simply not seeing Empire content for the simple fact that it is much more complicated to develop than the Federation. At least if Empire players want the variety that the Federation players will have.

[Avenger_Dragon]

i've hard that before, but i still refuse to believe the gorn become part of the klingon empire, at least until release then i'll paitently hope the gorn become their own faction free of the empire

[RookActual]

i've hard that before, but i still refuse to believe the gorn become part of the klingon empire, at least until release then i'll paitently hope the gorn become their own faction free of the empire

I can safely bet you won't see that happen.

[Phunix]

/Signed.

More Klingon love please!

I hope Cryptic will make an effort to showing that Klingons are on equal footing in all things for this game and doesn't make the mistake of Flying Labs with PotBS.
FL always had a nack for pushing English and Pirate side content through, and then wondered why the Spanish and French were underplayed.

[Avenger_Dragon]

I can safely bet you won't see that happen.

Then i will get caluses from having my fingers crossed. It's just the way i am.

[LebowskyBob]

The Federation has a lot more existing content to work from, to develop stylization. The Empire will be incorporating vessels from other races(Gorn, Naussican and Orion), so I have to assume this will complicate matters greatly as they not only have to try and peg down the Klingon style, but the artistic and functional style of three other races. Then it has to be agreed their function is applicable and practical in comparison to the opposition. I have a feeling we're simply not seeing Empire content for the simple fact that it is much more complicated to develop than the Federation. At least if Empire players want the variety that the Federation players will have.

If so, then a statement to that effect from the devs certainly would not hurt.

[Jag-Fell]

Bump for the klingons.

[RookActual]

If so, then a statement to that effect from the devs certainly would not hurt.

It's just an assumption....and I don't think it's off schedule, and even if it were I've never heard developers say anything that implies they're having a difficult time but "release date postponed"

[Loekii]

The thing with the material to draw from, is it would seem to make for a better argument when they 'ran out' of material -- ie say after posting all the available Klingon Ships from existing material, and then go into a long run of Fed ships.

I still think the SoL is driven more by 'what is ready and cleared' when its time to submit a new SoL article. Just my guess.

[RookActual]

The thing with the material to draw from, is it would seem to make for a better argument when they 'ran out' of material -- ie say after posting all the available Klingon Ships from existing material, and then go into a long run of Fed ships.

I still think the SoL is driven more by 'what is ready and cleared' when its time to submit a new SoL article. Just my guess.

I have to say, in my defense, I don't really know what the dev's are thinking any more. Standard development logic I've been accustomed to for a decade does not apply here. Good or bad? I don't know.

[VengefulTick]

If you Klingons are such great warriors, why do you need so many different Starships? We Fleeters, you know, we're not much to whoop on, according to you guys. Certainly all you really need is a K'Tinga, a snickers bar and an extended lunch break to mop the floor with us, right?

/on billlumberghvoice



While what you say is true....I'd rather have a king sized snickers than a bite sized one (the K'Tinga).

[LebowskyBob]

It's just an assumption....and I don't think it's off schedule, and even if it were I've never heard developers say anything that implies they're having a difficult time but "release date postponed"

? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I wasn't implying that STO is behind schedule, I was rather saying that if the devs simply haven't worked on the Klingons sufficiently yet to be tell us much then it wouldn't hurt for them to say so.

[Loekii]

I have to say, in my defense, I don't really know what the dev's are thinking any more. Standard development logic I've been accustomed to for a decade does not apply here. Good or bad? I don't know.

Unfortunately, my past experience suggests 'Bad' -- as we have seen with their careless approach to Space Movement.

[RookActual]

Unfortunately, my past experience suggests 'Bad' -- as we have seen with their careless approach to Space Movement.


/bitter

Maybe no one will miss the Klingons?

/endbitter

[renderpix]

Silence usually precedes disappointment.

The sound of the other shoe hitting the floor, then another. :(

The Federation has a lot more existing content to work from, to develop stylization. The Empire will be incorporating vessels from other races(Gorn, Naussican and Orion), so I have to assume this will complicate matters greatly as they not only have to try and peg down the Klingon style, but the artistic and functional style of three other races. Then it has to be agreed their function is applicable and practical in comparison to the opposition. I have a feeling we're simply not seeing Empire content for the simple fact that it is much more complicated to develop than the Federation. At least if Empire players want the variety that the Federation players will have.

I can agree with that, just wondering what the redesign will be like on Klingons. There's not loads on the other two either. I would still like to see the BoP in Ships of the Line, that would quiet alot of whisper. ;)

/bitter

Maybe no one will miss the Klingons?

/endbitter

I can hear it now.
We've been looking at the website for weeks and nobody missed it. :eek:

[Jag-Fell]

Bump for klingon love.

[robclor2005]

If not klingon ships more non starfleet ships would be VERY appreciated

[VengefulTick]

/bitter

Maybe no one will miss the Klingons?

/endbitter

LIES!

I already miss the Romulans....

[Reinkaos]

More Klingon ships, design and information might entice players across from the Federation, or help those who are "on the fence" decide, and might balance the sides a little more, so I'm definitely for more Klingon ships!

[Cassidan]

/concur We need more Klingon Faction information!!!

[Sumoben]

I'd like to see them get the Federation half of the game 90% done first, at least then we can say! Ah ha! Milestone!!

... And then work on the Klingons, although it would be nice to see an update or two of them. Though.. even the website doesn't have a Klingon theme, as of yet, its all Federation-esque.

[slingblade2010]

It really doesn't matter If anything I believe that cryptic should have a page for the Feds and a page for the klingons, but we all know that Cryptic peeps are busy and trying there hardest, but anything we do need more info on klingons me and my dad are excited about this game btw.....and will be playing it in the future.

[Greenomen]

bump .

[Phunix]

Even just a few more screenshots from the playtest on Friday showing off both sides would be nice :)

[daviboi83]

More Klingon love!

[dokou123]

Yeah its not hard to take a few screen shots, I was thrilled to see 3 more screenshots from the 1UP interview. They looked great and I think they should add around 3 every week so it gives people something to look forward to. To be honest I dont care what the screen shots are of, they will just keep people intrigued and give us an idea what this new enviroment will be like to play in. All the screen shots we have so far look fantastic so why not add a few more??

[LebowskyBob]

Yeah its not hard to take a few screen shots, I was thrilled to see 3 more screenshots from the 1UP interview. They looked great and I think they should add around 3 every week so it gives people something to look forward to. To be honest I dont care what the screen shots are of, they will just keep people intrigued and give us an idea what this new enviroment will be like to play in. All the screen shots we have so far look fantastic so why not add a few more??

Agreed, even just adding a few screens each week showing off both sides would be plenty satisfactory in my book.

[BreachAndClear]

We've seen a lot of the Feds, little of the Klingons, and really nothing in regards to Orion, Nausicaan, or Gorn who - I believe - it was confirmed will keep their own ships, separate from the Klingons. Because of this, I'd like to see something belonging to one of the latter three for the next Ship of the Line. I mean, Cryptic could always throw out a B'rel refit, a Vor'cha, or K't'inga spinoff if they went Klingon. In any event, there's a greater chance of seeing something we're already familiar with. If they did an Orion, Nausicaan, or Gorn ship, it would really be new no matter what ship they posted.

[Jag-Fell]

Bump.........

[renderpix]

This will not be assimilated, persistence is futile, you will be ignored

Sorry I just got that feeling looking at this thread again :D

BUMP ;)

[Captain_Intrepid]

Let's see now, there was at least two different flag ship designs in the TNG era, the first of which became more prolific when the latest flagship saw service.

I'd like to see the both of them get some treatment for Ships of the Line.

I'd esp. would like to see the fighter carrier that was mentioned in earlier magazine interview(s) and I believe at least one Ask Cryptic.

[VengefulTick]

Lets get this back on the first page!

WTB some Klingon stuffs!!!

Screen shots, Ships of the Line...SOMETHING!

[lvjayman]

We've seen a lot of the Feds, little of the Klingons, and really nothing in regards to Orion, Nausicaan, or Gorn who - I believe - it was confirmed will keep their own ships, separate from the Klingons. Because of this, I'd like to see something belonging to one of the latter three for the next Ship of the Line. I mean, Cryptic could always throw out a B'rel refit, a Vor'cha, or K't'inga spinoff if they went Klingon. In any event, there's a greater chance of seeing something we're already familiar with. If they did an Orion, Nausicaan, or Gorn ship, it would really be new no matter what ship they posted.

The only problem with this, is that there is only the Raptor class in ships of the line for the Klingons, so if they start showing other races, the Klingons will get even less love. I will probably play Federation, though its a tough call since Klingons can go ahead and just be warriors, but they should split ships of the line evenly, since Federation and Klingons will be the only 2 starting factions. And I'd hate to see the Klingon empire having more Gorn or Nausican ships playable then Klingon designs.

[Skrim72]

This is one of the reasons I would love to see STO launch with 2 servers. So we have the option of experiencing both sides of the game. That being said, I would like to see more Klingon info. Currently I’m thinking of starting off on the Klingon side and would love to fly a K’tinga or D-7 type ship.

[SenatorPardek]

I do think its interesting having Naussican, Gorn, Orion, and Klingon ships in the same faction....iit also raises the point will we see cardassian or ferengi ships as selectable by starfleet?

That being said, I'm curious to see a Gorn ship added onto ships of the line.

[Reinkaos]

Not exactly a Klingon SOTL, but has anyone noticed the NX-91001 pictured in its namesake article (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/nx91001) is mirrored? :p Please be a cryptic mirror universe hint :p

[tonymetpolice]

ill add my name!!


Klingon starter ship please......... and some more ships of the line...... and some in-game footage of a planet. and some developer videos...... and some more information about "classes" (tac, med,...)


and....... and......... and....... lol :)

[VengefulTick]

Thank you for the replies and support of this thread guys!

Like others have said...screen shots shouldn't take all that long to post...I'm honestly becoming concerned. :confused:

[Spacemanspiff]

I was concerned about the Klingon content, but after reading the latest ask Cryptic I am more concerned about space combat/movement now . .

[Prospero]

I was concerned about the Klingon content, but after reading the latest ask Cryptic I am more concerned about space combat/movement now . .

Haha, I'm "concerned" about a LOT of things regarding STO.

[VengefulTick]

I was concerned about the Klingon content, but after reading the latest ask Cryptic I am more concerned about space combat/movement now . .

Aye, I just read it myself. At least we have an answer for the cloaking debate...

[Greenomen]

bump. OMG this thread dropped to the 4th page.

[VengefulTick]

Thank you for rescueing it!

[Piewacket]

Truly though
We only need two or three vessles at launch with others on the way with the first update/upgrade in 4 to 6 months time.
Most of us should be able to get to that level that quickly or this game will have other balance issues in it.

Oh, more Klingon stuff please. The Federation dogs are running amok in the galaxy and need to be quashed before they become a further pestulance on the universe.

[Scythiar]

I also would enjoy seeing more Klingon information.

[Spacemanspiff]

Bump for more Klingon content.

[Greenomen]

Thank you for rescueing it!

You're welcome.

[47Wasps]

bump. OMG this thread dropped to the 4th page.

Well,we can't let that happen....

[Phunix]

Petition's still going strong.
Yield, Cryptic, yield! We Klingons never give up! :D

[Aerelleus]

MORE COW BELL! and Klingon Content

[phifur]

Damn getting Klingon ships is like pulling teeth o.0

[Phunix]

Aye, latest update even included a new Romulan vessel.
If we don't get many ships I suppose we'll have to board and fly those Federation frisbee ships.

[VengefulTick]

I refuse to pilot a glorified frisbee!

They tried to pull a fast one! Giving us a Romulan ship report written by a Klingon!?

We did not want to have a Klingon intel-report!!

We wanted a Klingon SHIP!

S-H-I-P!

[Aerelleus]

ha! you said klingon intellegence!

[VengefulTick]

ha! you said klingon intellegence!

I know...it's almost like saying Federation Bravery...only not as bad. :p

[dyvimtorm]

Ahahahahahahah! Romulan ship! Fooled ya!!!! Oh wait, I bumped a Klingon thread, ooops :D

[Marytha]

So have we now seen more ROmulan ships than klingon?

Marytha

[RookActual]

Wow, for such brave warriors you Klingons sure cry a lot!

[VengefulTick]

Wow, for such brave warriors you Klingons sure cry a lot!

I would have to defer to your signature on this one....

DOH!

[Kinjiru]

Wow, for such brave warriors you Klingons sure cry a lot!

They need more prune juice to strengthen their resolve. :D

[renderpix]

So have we now seen more ROmulan ships than klingon?

Marytha

And this new ship kicks out butt to boot. That's just so wrong...... lol

Wow, for such brave warriors you Klingons sure cry a lot!

It's howling Rock..... howling :D

[MagnusTyrel]

There focusing on the Fed side of things first, Klingon ships will probably arive later in the games production, however anoying that many be I guese we will have to accept that...

[Acherion]

I too would enjoy seeing more of the ships that I am going to fly. Ive been a klingon since Starfleet Command 1

[Greenomen]

They need more prune juice to strengthen their resolve. :D

Ah, prune juice. A warrior's drink.

[TruthSeer]

So have we now seen more ROmulan ships than klingon?

Marytha

Technically there have been Klingon ships in every screen.

They're just cloaked. :D

[VengefulTick]

/sigh.......

[onesoul1982]

What? You didn't hear? This is Star Fleet Online...not Klingon Academy


LOL j/k


I'm sure more Klingon ships will be revealed soon.


Qapla!

[Phunix]

I do wish to thank the Federation players for keeping this thread alive (and thus potentially get us more ships) ;)

[RookActual]

I do wish to thank the Federation players for keeping this thread alive (and thus potentially get us more ships) ;)

Neutral Zone won't be much fun if there is only debris from Raptor-class ships littering it.

[renderpix]

There focusing on the Fed side of things first, Klingon ships will probably arive later in the games production, however anoying that many be I guese we will have to accept that...

[21:55] <@CrypticZinc> Not talking about PvP or Playable Klingons - but the ones you face in PvE are awesome.
[21:55] <@CrypticZinc> One of our combat designers did an awesome job.
[21:56] <@CrypticZinc> If you can sneak that photon torpedo off, just when you think they're about to cloak...

We have reference to other Fedy ships that are playable and not in SotL. So they do have most likely Klingon ships on the design board and know what ships will be playable if not all that they have designed so far. I believe that they have not put them in Ships of the Line for other reasons that they are deving the Federation side first.

Now we get an unknown possible Romulan ship, I thought Ships of the Line were playable. Just my thoughts on what their deving first.

[VengefulTick]

I just don't think it's a smart move to ostracize half (I say this because there are only two factions) of you game populace right away. That's what I feel they are doing. Feeding the Fedboy frenzy.....

[MagnusTyrel]

I just don't think it's a smart move to ostracize half (I say this because there are only two factions) of you game populace right away. That's what I feel they are doing. Feeding the Fedboy frenzy.....

perhaps during the second half of development they will only show klingon/orion/nausican stuff? probably not but hey Fed is what people know and fed is what draws the kiddies with there parents credit cards...

[renderpix]

I just don't think it's a smart move to ostracize half (I say this because there are only two factions) of you game populace right away. That's what I feel they are doing. Feeding the Fedboy frenzy.....

I can agree with you, as long as this thread has been running we get an unknown ship. Looking at the forums there is a thread about starter ships and it really is a fedy thread. We don't even have a clue what the KDF starter ship is going to be. It seems in dev talks they avoid the subject of Klingon ships, or is that just me being paranoid? :D

Edit: I need to add that I hear alot of well Klingons will be deved in the second half. Is this somewhere in the dev talks? can I get a reference or is this suggestion a speculation in good faith. Sincerely for updated info. :)

[VengefulTick]

That's just the Fedboys tryin' to keep us Klingons calm...lord knows we'd wreck the place if we ever got fired up.

[Phunix]

It's Monday and the word of the day is Kaplah!

[Reinkaos]

Is it just me, or have certain background images from the news page disappeared or been replaced? I seem to remember one with an angry Klingon captain and a crew consisting of several other races, but it's gone :eek: Someone's erasing klingons

>:O

[xarb]

I agree, I really do not want to play a game where starting out the game is unbalanced for one faction

[renderpix]

Is it just me, or have certain background images from the news page disappeared or been replaced? I seem to remember one with an angry Klingon captain and a crew consisting of several other races, but it's gone :eek: Someone's erasing klingons

>:O

No it's not just you, I seem to remember that tooo

I agree, I really do not want to play a game where starting out the game is unbalanced for one faction

I remember PE solved the issue by just announcing there would only be Federation :eek:

Hummmm...... hey we have a new wallpaper, no Kling to it tho :mad:

Starting out unbalanced ..... looks like you don't need to wait :rolleyes:

[renderpix]

If anyone is intersted I found a tidbit on the Vor'cha
STO has a reference to a Klingon carrier
The Vor'cha by canon has 3 modules ECM, Disrupter and Fighter...... maybe :D

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/attackcruiser_vorcha.jpg

Here's a link to the diagram

[Phunix]

Great find there Paratwa

[k.mpok]

Were is the love for all things Klingon. For once I would like to see the Klingon side take main stage and the feds to be pushed to nothing more thine a sub-plot. :(

[VengefulTick]

Putin' this back on the front page!!

[DanSeale]

While I wont go so far as to say the Klingons have been ignored .. I can say that there is a lot of room for information to be filled in. Certainly even discussions that's been on the forum for multipurpose ships that are still KLINGON has had little or no response.

I do hope that the Dev team will start to release more information for the Klingons, including some really bad looking ships that are fitting for their faction.

It is the right thing to do.

[Loekii]

While I wont go so far as to say the Klingons have been ignored .. I can say that there is a lot of room for information to be filled in. Certainly even discussions that's been on the forum for multipurpose ships that are still KLINGON has had little or no response.

I do hope that the Dev team will start to release more information for the Klingons, including some really bad looking ships that are fitting for their faction.

It is the right thing to do.

I believe they are revamping the website for better information. Perhaps they will also update the artwork to reflect the dual faction system, and begin filling in the KDF ships as well.

[renderpix]

I believe they are revamping the website for better information. Perhaps they will also update the artwork to reflect the dual faction system, and begin filling in the KDF ships as well.


Is there refrence to this or just a tinglie feeling :D

[MacAttackFTW]

I'd love to see some Klingon love. I really have no desire to play Federation and would love more Klingon info so it's worth my time coming to this site.

pFed is what people know and fed is what draws the kiddies with there parents credit cards...

That has been my thought on the matter :(

[RookActual]

Is there refrence to this or just a tinglie feeling :D

apparently there was a Dev Twitter

[Rynar123]

I'd like to see rank advancement by killing your superior (when honor allows) ; true to the klingon culture.

[renderpix]

apparently there was a Dev Twitter

Due to some current events I can contain myself.....
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

I'd like to see rank advancement by killing your superior (when honor allows) ; true to the klingon culture.

That would be fun :cool: but on the latest Ask Cryptic they went away from that idea with a very well placed joke..

Imagine if it were true, going about your ship would be like having Inspector Cluseo aboard
unexpected attack around every corner... Lock Target .... aaaak :eek:

[Techrat3D]

What I hope to see, is that the Klingons can display the symbol of their house on the ship, insead of just the trifoil.
That would make it great, so you can even visually see when another ship is aligned with your house. :D

[renderpix]

What I hope to see, is that the Klingons can display the symbol of their house on the ship, insead of just the trifoil.
That would make it great, so you can even visually see when another ship is aligned with your house. :D

There are suppose to be Fleet decals which for the Klingon side is that, the House emblem or just a fleet decal. And I think there will be ones that you don't want on your ship...... lol

[Techrat3D]

There are suppose to be Fleet decals which for the Klingon side is that, the House emblem or just a fleet decal. And I think there will be ones that you don't want on your ship...... lol

Oh yeah... I can just see it coming:
Captain: "Crewman, what is the symbol on the ship?"
Crewman: "It's reffered to as 'giving the bird' if I'm correct. You know. The finger!"
Captain: "Yes crewman, I know the finger."
Crewman: "Sorry, sir. I hate it when it does that."

[renderpix]

Oh yeah... I can just see it coming:
Captain: "Crewman, what is the symbol on the ship?"
Crewman: "It's reffered to as 'giving the bird' if I'm correct. You know. The finger!"
Captain: "Yes crewman, I know the finger."
Crewman: "Sorry, sir. I hate it when it does that."

Was thinking along the lines of some of the nonsense I've seen in WoW on tabbards.

I can see this happening

Pink background with yellow butterflys fleet decal on a Vor'cha :eek:

[Rynar123]

Oh yeah... I can just see it coming:
Captain: "Crewman, what is the symbol on the ship?"
Crewman: "It's reffered to as 'giving the bird' if I'm correct. You know. The finger!"
Captain: "Yes crewman, I know the finger."
Crewman: "Sorry, sir. I hate it when it does that."

whole new meaning for the "Bird" of Prey

[Tarrin01]

I would love to see some more Klingon content, but I'm not overly concerned about it at the moment. It's not like STO is coming out next week or anything. :)

It's not...damn and i had my hopes up and everything :D

Tho on the real side i would like to see more Klingon lovin' on the ship side

[Greenomen]

What I hope to see, is that the Klingons can display the symbol of their house on the ship, insead of just the trifoil.
That would make it great, so you can even visually see when another ship is aligned with your house. :D

Agree. That would be pretty cool.

[Loekii]

Is there refrence to this or just a tinglie feeling :D

From Awen's Twitter http://twitter.com/CrypticAwen :
I promise that I'm not dead! Crazy busy getting ready for Champs launch and getting STO content organized so that we kick the competition
1:39 PM Jun 25th from web

I also think there was a comment by Awen or Rekhan about reviewing/revamping the Website layout.

[Edit] - here it is:

We've been working on some changes to the website internally, actually. One of the first things I did when I joined the team was write up a document about viewing the site with "new" eyes. Resorting the information on the site is something I want to make happen as we move forward.

Source: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=556365&postcount=10

[Greenomen]

From Awen's Twitter http://twitter.com/CrypticAwen :


I also think there was a comment by Awen or Rekhan about reviewing/revamping the Website layout.

[Edit] - here it is:



WOOT! Sounds great.

[renderpix]

There are lots of posts about the Klingon BoP. I would like to know if STO is going to give at least the three basic sizes

Scout Class 50m
K-22 B'rel Class 160m
L-42 K'vort class 678m

Through Star Trek there are 5 different sizes but these three alone could give the KDF ship selections besides the others we suspect will be part of the fleet.

There is a Starship size comparsion chart that shows that the KDF is really not that limited in ships. Charts are located at the bottom of the page

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/web.php

[Kyias]

The main ship I'd like to see of the Klingons is the carrier!!

That would be a coll one to look at.

[Phunix]

With the 4th coming up, I thought I'd change my usual RP whine tone to a more serious with a suggestion.

Given that as others have said there is alot of Klingon stuff still to catch up on, Cryptic could organize a Klingon month, where the entire page changes to Klingon themes and along those weeks most articles are concentrated on Klingon ships, devlogs on the Klingon side of things and such.
(after the month is over, you can make a choose your side first page with the neccesary cookie)

The material should be there eventually, so with alot to catch up on, why not do it in a festive way? :)

[Phunix]

Happy 4th everyone! Time for some hearty singing!

Koi keh-less pook load.
Koi Pook beh poo
Yoch bow math bow je shuv wee
Say moach chyu may ew
Mah shoov, mah nong, ej ma choch chew
Nee beh yin mahj ach wov, coo!

Bath ma cheth bejj, ej yo keej dahk
Vaav, poo ma de, muv pa rech, ma shoov tach
Koo ma mev, ko ma shoov tach, ma ov

Qoy qeylIs puqloD
Qoy puqbe'pu'... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTVzwjEyb4)

Bahaha!

[Greenomen]

New poll is up. But still no new Klingon ships.

[Reinkaos]

I'm just waiting for the "What Is Your Favourite Klingon Delicacy?" poll opposite the news of a new Romulan SOTL.

[renderpix]

I'm just waiting for the "What Is Your Favourite Klingon Delicacy?" poll opposite the news of a new Romulan SOTL.

Raw Targ amd Gok (if spelled correctly, Warriors dosent do 3Rs) :D

[Tenchi2k]

Signed.

need Klingon ship design, specs... info plz

[VengefulTick]

Good to see others keeping this thread alive!

I just can't understand why we haven't heard a thing...I mean...not complete silence...ah heck...you know what I mean!

[_Pax_]

The main ship I'd like to see of the Klingons is the carrier!!
^^^^ This, in spades!!! ^^^^^

[Tamanous]

I would most certainly go Klingon to start and I imagine we see so little as devs always start work with one faction first then move on to the other.

If this game proves to be my main (TOR and CO being other candidates atm) I would prefer to dabble into Romulan, Gorn and Orion more than either Klingon or Federation....when all elements are added mind you.

[koraQ]

signed. Just a morsel of gagh would be nice my lord.

[renderpix]

Good to see others keeping this thread alive!

I just can't understand why we haven't heard a thing...I mean...not complete silence...ah heck...you know what I mean!

drip..... drip..... drip..... drip..drip.. drip..... :rolleyes:

[Greenomen]

Signed.

need Klingon ship design, specs... info plz

Agree, what he said.

[VengefulTick]

Bumping this petition!!!

Many posts by Cryptic team members in other threads....

[inXi]

I really wander what the problem is with presenting Klingon info... I see no reason whatsoever to misrepresent them.

[Deyvid]

It really can be disheartening and disappointing to see how little is released for what should be a major aspect of the game. It sometimes feels like Cryptic isn't supporting the Klingon faction players because they don't really care about us.

I try not to fall into that way of thinking too often, but it can be unavoidable at times.

It goes like this:

:) - Generally happy with the overall direction of STO

:D - See a link for new Ships of the Line or new screenshots. Yay!

:( - Sees that yet again, Klingons are again, still under-represented

Usually at that point, I log off the STO forums and go do something else for a while.

[Reinkaos]

I really wander what the problem is with presenting Klingon info... I see no reason whatsoever to misrepresent them.

It's not so much misrepresentation as under-representation - but it's understandable that they're throwing out more Starfleet stuff right now as there's simply so much Starfleet lore, ships and such readily available compared to the Klingon side of things, for which they will have to create a whole new smorgasboard of things in every area of the game. At a basic glance, there's all these Starfleet (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_starship_classes) ships, and then these (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Category:Klingon_starship_classes) Klingon ships.. there are a lot more Starfleet than Klingon.

Cryptic has to keep a somewhat steady stream of info flowing, and it's easier to throw out what's already there, than rush to create things just for the sake of us rabid Klingon fans right now, which will just turn out disappointing as they were rushed. It would just be nice if they reassured us by showing us they're working on Klingon content as well, rather than just repeatedly saying the "Klingon experience will be different to Starfleet's"..

I'm sure Cryptic are working on some awesome new Klingon designs and content (;))...but they must have completed something by now that they could show us :p

[Reinkaos]

I figured since we've not gotten a new Klingon screenshot or ship for a while, I'd put them into one of the new screenshots (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/klingonkillcopy.jpg) to see how they fit :p rather well, it seems!

Strike fear into the hearts of the puny Federation! :mad:

[Deyvid]

It's not so much misrepresentation as under-representation - but it's understandable that they're throwing out more Starfleet stuff right now as there's simply so much Starfleet lore, ships and such readily available compared to the Klingon side of things, for which they will have to create a whole new smorgasboard of things in every area of the game. At a basic glance, there's all these Starfleet (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_starship_classes) ships, and then these (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Category:Klingon_starship_classes) Klingon ships.. there are a lot more Starfleet than Klingon.

Cryptic has to keep a somewhat steady stream of info flowing, and it's easier to throw out what's already there, than rush to create things just for the sake of us rabid Klingon fans right now, which will just turn out disappointing as they were rushed. It would just be nice if they reassured us by showing us they're working on Klingon content as well, rather than just repeatedly saying the "Klingon experience will be different to Starfleet's"..

I'm sure Cryptic are working on some awesome new Klingon designs and content (;))...but they must have completed something by now that they could show us

It's not even a question of always getting screenshots of new ships that hadn't been seen before.

Just going by the screenshots of just ships on the official site's screenshots page (not counting the screenshots that have been released to other websites that have not been added to the STO site):

On the Federation side, there 3 screenshots that depict a Miranda (or Miranda variant), 2 screenshots of the Akira-class, 2 screenshots of the NX-91001, 1 screenshot of the Centaur, 1 screenshot of the Saber-class. (9 screenshots total)

On the Klingon side, there's 1 screenshot of the Vorcha, 1 screenshot of the Raptor. (2 screenshots total)

.... :(

There was that Bird of Prey shot that was released during the NYCC but not added to the STO site -- so they could release another Bird of Prey shot for the STO site. Actually Klingon players would probably be happy with several shots of the Bird of Prey, several shots of the Vorcha. It doesn't always have to be a new ship -- the way there's multiple shots of the Miranda, multiple shots of the Akira, etc.

And why are the only 2 Klingon ship screenshots (3 if you count that missing BoP shot) of the Klingon ships just flying, not really doing anything. Where's the shots of the Klingon ships flying through exploding moons, or shooting at Federation ships, or Klingon ships shooting at generic freighters? We get shots of the Klingon ships just cruising around.



I figured since we've not gotten a new Klingon screenshot or ship for a while, I'd put them into one of the new screenshots (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/MontgomeryGooo/klingonkillcopy.jpg) to see how they fit :p rather well, it seems!

Strike fear into the hearts of the puny Federation! :mad:

majQa’! (Well done!) That's a cool pic and story to go with it.

[renderpix]

There are numerous reasons given why they have not given Klingon content especially where Ships of the Line is concerned from ones that feel that they know Cryptics plan an ones that feel they speak for Cryptic in one way or another.

These reasons may be valid as far as we know, but really no one knows the reasons except the ones that officially represent STO and they are not talking. It may seem harsh to say but if Cryptic’s intentions was not to give the appearance of a lack of interest in what fans and newcomers want to see those intentions are misrepresented by their actions. Star Trek fans need something that tells them what’s going on and what to expect. Anyone that makes a reference that people’s expectations are too high is clearly missing the point of what so many have said and asked for.

The only reason that I can think of for not getting a Cryptic post to this thread or receiving what is very clear the fans and future Klingon Players want is boiling down to a couple of thoughts for me.


Fear of community backlash and upset for what they have or are planning to present for Klingon content.
They for some reason did not have it in their planning for Star Trek fans to receive content and a solid website plan due to statements like this.

This. It's not an instantaneous turnaround on anything. We've got calendars for the stuff we put up on the website, so the team knows what we need and when. Doing more with the Excalibur wasn't on the calendar, but I wanted to toss something extra your guys' way. Unfortunately, since it was unplanned it means numerous people have to take time out of their day to make it happen. This means it'll take a while, and if someone's super busy - like everyone is this week - it may not happen at all. The good news is the art team was able to make something happen and we're, well, progressing.

Please don’t take offense Rekhan for quoting you and saying the following.

Did you guys not think about the fanfare the Star Trek IP would bring with the making of STO?
Did you not build the staff of professionals for an undertaking of a 40 year old fan base of the most widely know sci-fi in the world?
Was the thought that a development team was all that was needed for the making of just another MMO?
If Cryptic didn’t plan on what was needed what was the leadership thinking? :confused:


I have seen posts that you are handling and presenting the development process exceeding others in this field. I read posts about how Cryptic is doing such a great job and I do agree that the devs are working very hard. But I read more OPs and posts of the pleasantly ignored by the ones they want answers from and getting responses from the ones that make your forums a bad experience for anyone wanting to ask “What about this” when a trip to the forums should not be needed and by all means avoided by the well intending unaware fan that just walked into an ambush of the worst kind of whiners. The ones that call others whiners developing whining to an art form with Cryptic supplying the canvas by simple silence and the inability to create a proper web presence. :eek:

Being told that your expectations are too high by ones that are clearly loyal to an entity that does not respond and shows by action that you are of little value is hard for some to take. And that is the impression that you give but I am sure your loyal supporters will disagree.

Being told that you expect too much from Cryptic on the basics of Star Trek while being in the company of others as disappointed as yourself is even harder when you realize that the opinions and criticisms are overlooked and your told you can’t understand and don’t know what you want. For reasons to numerous and ridiculous to list here finding myself wanting to be insulting to those that just want another MMO instead of what the Star Trek IP should represent. I can’t bring myself to return anymore insults that have already been given to many of us.

I started this post for a bump to this thread with the intention of showing interest in what has become a deep desire for Klingon content by many. But found myself letting go of any interest that I had for Star Trek Online. My apologies to the OP but you thread even tho read was being ignored. I want the devs to understand this is not an observation against them but towards the ones that have the power of decision as well as CBS. I do hope they read these forums they have an investment that is not going to reach a possible potential due to efforts of developing another run of the mill MMO, that’s just a shame. Please read everything even the lunatic fringe there is solid sanity in their words.

For those that don’t understand my sediment well I guess you’ll never will. Flame me if you like doesn’t matter I have no more interest in sticking around watching good hearted people not getting what they deserve, a response and the respect of what brought them here in the first place the Star Trek IP not the Cryptic name.

Hang in there guys but I feel that your disappointment will outweigh you patients :D

Cryptic take your own advice Shape it Up ;) your falling short of the greatest IP that anyone could lay their hands on that will get world-wide attention IMHO. But what do I know I’m just one ignorant Star Trek fan, don't worry I'm sure you get this all the time.

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

i want to see another Klingon vessel as well !

Be good to find out what ill be up against as a Federation Captain :p

[RookActual]

Finally, Klingons, you have received a solid answer!

<@Cryptic_Gozer> well we arent working on the klingon side of the content at the moment.. so your bound to get mor fed screen shots

[Phunix]

Which means we should get a flood of Klingon stuff afterwards.**
Still, a screenshot of anything Klingon wouldn't break the calendar would it? Or are Feds fighting only easy prey these days like Cardassians and other rats?

**If at release we still have few Klingon ships I suggest some of us get together with our Bat'leths and go visit Cryptic!

[Tribbler]

Finally, Klingons, you have received a solid answer!

I think his department hasn't received it since gozer said that he was mainly working on destroyer/cruiser class vessels.

Chances are there is some somewhere. Perhaps more unveiling at the next convention?

[RookActual]

I think his department hasn't received it since gozer said that he was mainly destrpyer/cruiser class vessels.

Chances are there is some somewhere. Perhaps more unveiling at the next convention?

I'd say he'd still know if someone, somewhere, was building a Klingon vessel. Klingons, after all, aren't nearly as good at concealing their motives as Romulans are. I find his answer to be pretty definitive, they're focusing on one side at a time, which makes sense. It may seem unpleasant for those wanting Klingon previews, but it will inevitably lead to a better product, as they focus on one faction at a time. It may actually lead to a more refined Klingon fleet. I think a wise Klingon would say: Save the best for last.

[Marytha]

Finally, Klingons, you have received a solid answer!

This solid answer, is what worries me.It makes me feel like as 'release date' pressure wratchets up, the temptation to simply clone ship stats over to the klingon vessels will seem more and more an easy way to save time. Oh and then to balance the cloak, reduce weapon effectiveness.

Not saying it will happen, just a major worry I've had for a long time, and the information doesn't alleviate it at all.

Marytha

[Tribbler]

This solid answer, is what worries me.It makes me feel like as 'release date' pressure wratchets up, the temptation to simply clone ship stats over to the klingon vessels will seem more and more an easy way to save time. Oh and then to balance the cloak, reduce weapon effectiveness.

Not saying it will happen, just a major worry I've had for a long time, and the information doesn't alleviate it at all.

Marytha

While a good concern, I am sure they are following the same pattern as the other MMO's as far as balance is concerned.

I believe 1st you need a template of 1 side.

Once you have those stats figured, then you basically apply similar stats to the opposing sized classed vessel. Of course a little tweaking of same size classes (opposite factions) but very similar in mass, number of weapons, shield strength etc.

Remember the ships will more or less be standard with each other of the same size, it will be the Captain and the crew that will give you enhancements to that ship.

Once they have the artwork and the parameters of the Klingon ship, they will apply the stats.

Quick and painless. (I hope) :D

[Marytha]

While a good concern, I am sure they are following the same pattern as the other MMO's as far as balance is concerned.

I believe 1st you need a template of 1 side.

Once you have those stats figured, then you basically apply similar stats to the opposing sized classed vessel. Of course a little tweaking of same size classes (opposite factions) but very similar in mass, number of weapons, shield strength etc.

Remember the ships will more or less be standard with each other of the same size, it will be the Captain and the crew that will give you enhancements to that ship.

Once they have the artwork and the parameters of the Klingon ship, they will apply the stats.

Quick and painless. (I hope) :D

My expectation, is not what you posted. My expectation is that a lot of these things would have been figured out in the Design Document and prototype stage, not at the end. If they're simply waiting on art assets, great! My hope however would be that they have already done some play testing with Klingon stats, with who cares what ship it looked like, to make certain it is fun. Thus not waiting until the end.

Marytha

[VengefulTick]

A solid answer, yes. A good one...maybe not.

I too can see the worry of them cloning ship stats over to the Klingon side with just a bit of change...just enough to say it's another faction.

That...or just change it to a one faction game.

Why not work on one class of ship at a time. Build the starter ships for both sides...then the next...and the next. Both factions at each level, built at the same time.

[Cassidan]

With how slow going the Ships of the Line feature is, makes me wonder when we will ever see a Klingon Ship in it.

[Raibart]

I agree as well! I've always been fond of the D7 class ...how about a updated Heavy Cruiser?