Where is the neutral zone?

[No1UKnow]

This chart (http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/romulan.jpg) shows that the neutral zone only surrounds the Romulan Empire and therefore has little to do with a front between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

Is this chart not an accurate representation of the neutral zone?

edit: the chart is Copyright 2002 by Paramount Pictures

[MKIceman]

That chart is either outdated or not canon. In either case, TNG and subsequent series have no neutral zone between the Federation and Klingon Empire due to their alliance. Star Trek Online's neutral zone -- or rather, the one that everyone is most concerned about -- is a -new- buffer zone between the Federation and Klingon Empire.

So we would have to "wait and see" the map that Cryptic will release. :)

[Mela_Garak]

Considering the Khitomer Accords were reinstated, there indeed shouldn't be a Neutral Zone between the Klingon Empire and the Federation. As far as I know from the canon Star Trek the Khitomer Accords were first revoked by Chancellor Gowron, and a little later reinstated. As far as I know all ambassy's and all diplomatic contacts were broken as well, and I don't know if the ambassy's and the diplomatic contacts are reinstated as well? There is no mention of that in the canon Star Trek, the DS9 serie. Greetz, Mela Garak.

[thefrayl]

This chart (http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/romulan.jpg) shows that the neutral zone only surrounds the Romulan Empire and therefore has little to do with a front between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

Is this chart not an accurate representation of the neutral zone?

edit: the chart is Copyright 2002 by Paramount Pictures

If you'll notice, this map is meant to represent and focus on the Romulan Empire. I think it's only natural that it would only include the Romulan neutral zone. Any UFP or Klingon maps out there?

[SovWell]

Oh its just down a little ways away. Just take a left at the KWiki subspace station, and then down past two star systems until you reach that blackhole, its actually a fake wormhole so just go inside and you're there. Have Fun! :)

[ramjam380]

The map above and others like it from the "Star Trek Star Charts" publication are pretty decent from a cannon perspective, but there is a problem: the Klingons are in a terrible position to be a playable race in STO. They border the Gorn (who they will have conquered), the Romulans, and the Federation. That's it. They have an open border in the Beta Quadrant for expansion, but no other major or minor powers from canon sources.

So, if STO follows this map, it becomes very difficult for the Klingons to get to areas where they would fight the Cardassians and Dominion--they have to go through a lot of Federation space. They also have the entire Federation between them and the Borg, so it would be tough to do Klingon vs. Borg missions. There's also that weird thing where the Federation has a patch of territory on the far side of Romulan space--doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway, it looks like Cryptic is going to have to draw a new map for STO to make the Klingons a more interesting race to play, and I'm eager to see it.

[TruthSeer]

At the time the map was made there probably wasn't a Neutral Zone between Fed space and Klingon. A Neutral Zone would only be developed durring time of hostilities/war.

The map above and others like it from the "Star Trek Star Charts" publication are pretty decent from a cannon perspective, but there is a problem: the Klingons are in a terrible position to be a playable race in STO. They border the Gorn (who they will have conquered), the Romulans, and the Federation. That's it. They have an open border in the Beta Quadrant for expansion, but no other major or minor powers from canon sources.

So, if STO follows this map, it becomes very difficult for the Klingons to get to areas where they would fight the Cardassians and Dominion--they have to go through a lot of Federation space. They also have the entire Federation between them and the Borg, so it would be tough to do Klingon vs. Borg missions. There's also that weird thing where the Federation has a patch of territory on the far side of Romulan space--doesn't make sense to me.


Unless the Dominion or someone starts conquering territory which would be a good provocation for war to the Klingons.

[THORN74]

That chart is either outdated or not canon. In either case, TNG and subsequent series have no neutral zone between the Federation and Klingon Empire due to their alliance. Star Trek Online's neutral zone -- or rather, the one that everyone is most concerned about -- is a -new- buffer zone between the Federation and Klingon Empire.

So we would have to "wait and see" the map that Cryptic will release. :)

that chart is from the Star Trek Star Charts book 2002. so they are uptodate from that point (thru nemisis). You are correct that the Klingon/Fed neutral zone was removed due to their alliance. It would stand to reason a similar neturalzone border to the rom/fed would be reinstated.

this is one of the reason some of us have been asking for a map from cryptic either downloadable or in the box with the game

[dieuwe10]

The map above and others like it from the "Star Trek Star Charts" publication are pretty decent from a cannon perspective, but there is a problem: the Klingons are in a terrible position to be a playable race in STO. They border the Gorn (who they will have conquered), the Romulans, and the Federation. That's it. They have an open border in the Beta Quadrant for expansion, but no other major or minor powers from canon sources.

So, if STO follows this map, it becomes very difficult for the Klingons to get to areas where they would fight the Cardassians and Dominion--they have to go through a lot of Federation space. They also have the entire Federation between them and the Borg, so it would be tough to do Klingon vs. Borg missions. There's also that weird thing where the Federation has a patch of territory on the far side of Romulan space--doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway, it looks like Cryptic is going to have to draw a new map for STO to make the Klingons a more interesting race to play, and I'm eager to see it.

The Klingons never really keep to the borders, they also have a cloaking device, and Federation space is so big they can't patrol it all.

There might also not be "full war" between them.

But I'm glad that's up to Cryptic because I have no idea on how to fix that up.

[Loekii]

This chart (http://www.ucip.org/science/newmaps/romulan.jpg) shows that the neutral zone only surrounds the Romulan Empire and therefore has little to do with a front between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

Is this chart not an accurate representation of the neutral zone?

edit: the chart is Copyright 2002 by Paramount Pictures

As other have stated, that chart does not reflect a Fed/Klingon Neutral zone.

However, it is reasonable to simply take the Romulan Neutral Zone as an example of what the Fed/Klingon Neutral zone would look like in STO. Basically, put the same 'Bar' along the Fed/Klingon border.

[M_Wagner]

this is one of the reason some of us have been asking for a map from cryptic either downloadable or in the box with the game

Feelies FTW!!! I miss games with "feelies". Thats what made late 80's/early 90's games so awesome...

[Tamgros]

If there's one thing I learned from geography class, it's that maps change! I won't be using my grandpas map of the Bulkan peninsula ever again!

But that really is the point, boarders change, treaties can be signed, neutral zones can be made. It's not like all the fighting will be done in that specific neutral zone. It's just that there will be a 'neutral zone' type area. I'm actually hoping the 'neutral zone' acts more like a 'contested zone', but that's neither here nor there.:cool:

They also have the entire Federation between them and the Borg, so it would be tough to do Klingon vs. Borg missions. There's also that weird thing where the Federation has a patch of territory on the far side of Romulan space--doesn't make sense to me.

The Borg are in the Delta quadrant, so they are actually on the other side of that patch of UFP space, not the other side of main UFP space. So the Klingons don't have to cross much of UFP space to get to the Borg. In fact, the bulk (if you take some sort of 'center of mass) of Klingon space, may be a bit closer to the Borg.

You're right about everything else though. Klingons would pretty much have to fly past Risa, Earth and Vulcan to get to the Worm Hole :confused:

[TruthSeer]

In regards to the Borg and Klingons, does the position of the empires really matter when one of those empires has the transwarp technology of the Borg?

And also in regards to the Dominion, there is a Jem'Hadar presence in the Alpha Quadrant now.

[MKIceman]

Feelies FTW!!! I miss games with "feelies". Thats what made late 80's/early 90's games so awesome...
One of my favourite things was the fold-out world map that came with Sierra's 'Codename: ICEMAN'. :)

(Especially since you needed it to help you plot your course waypoints into the submarine's navigational computer!)

[M_Wagner]

One of my favourite things was the fold-out world map that came with Sierra's 'Codename: ICEMAN'. :)

(Especially since you needed it to help you plot your course waypoints into the submarine's navigational computer!)

HAHA I still have that game! The 25th Anniversary Star Trek game had a star chart that you needed to navigate to each mission. Return to Zork had the Encyclopedia Frobozzica which you needed to answer character's questions. I liked those. Made the games a little more interactive.