Star Trek vs Star Wars

[Condemnation]

As irony might have it,

Starwars The Old Republic and Star Trek Online will probably be released around the same time. While TOR does not appear to have space combat at the moment, Both Star Trek and Star Wars are both insanely popular space IP's. I happen to like both myself, always have, always will. I grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars. Picking one of them over the other based on story is impossible for me, so its coming down to the pvp.

I am extremely disturbed by some of the things i am hearing about the pvp system here, and i like what im hearing about the pvp system over in TOR. Problem for me is that i know for a fact that TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will. It's a give and take situation at the moment for me, and i refuse to split my attention. I know im not the only one following these two games,

What are your impressions, pros and cons of each as they stand right now. Both are in similar states of production with TOR releasing more information at the moment. Forget about the story, and judge the game as it stands now.

What do you think?

[evan.is.weyoun]

Just to correct you, TOR won't be hitting stores until Q4 2010. STO will be between Q4 2009 and Q1 2010. No contest.

[Tamgros]

I'm really looking for a game to play with a bunch of friends. I don't really see how SWTOR can make the story adapt to you and your friends (who presumably want to make different choices than you) at the same time. This makes me really worried about their grouping system in their story driven content, if they are going to have grouping at all in that content.

Now, I'm a fan of the SWKOTOR series so SWTOR sounds like fun, but may not be what I'm looking for.

What were the PvP aspects of SWTOR that you liked?

[nwtampaguy34]

First off if the new Star wars mmo is similar in anyway to Star Wars Galaxies then this will be a fast sinking ship for me. But I believe that bioware has been paying attention to some of these failed games and are going to create something really special and cool with this one.

[thefrayl]

I'm really looking for a game to play with a bunch of friends. I don't really see how SWTOR can make the story adapt to you and your friends (who presumably want to make different choices than you) at the same time. This makes me really worried about their grouping system in their story driven content, if they are going to have grouping at all in that content.

Now, I'm a fan of the SWKOTOR series so SWTOR sounds like fun, but may not be what I'm looking for.

My sentiments exactly. I'm not really seeing SWTOR as a full fledged MMO, in the traditional sense...

I'm sure I'll play it and probably have a good time, knowing Bioware's track record. But STO is much more impressive and exciting to me.

[evan.is.weyoun]

Though their new trailer will certainly raise some hype, and was in fact really awesome, reading what the MMO will really entail makes it look, how do you hipsters say, "vanilla". It looks like WoW meets KotOR, which makes me sad because KotOR is one of my favorite franchises. :(

[Jag-Fell]

My sentiments exactly. I'm not really seeing SWTOR as a full fledged MMO, in the traditional sense...

I'm sure I'll play it and probably have a good time, knowing Bioware's track record. But STO is much more impressive and exciting to me.

Different stokes for different folks. Ill be playing both games. A Klingon in STO and a Sith Bounty Hunter in TOR. :)

[Tamgros]

My sentiments exactly. I'm not really seeing SWTOR as a full fledged MMO, in the traditional sense...

I'm sure I'll play it and probably have a good time, knowing Bioware's track record. But STO is much more impressive and exciting to me.
I have a few friends that are really into SW, but they are more casual players. We've been following a few MMOs together and really want to actually spend all our time playing together. I'll probably try SWTOR as well, but it may be more from a single player perspective.

Though their new trailer will certainly raise some hype, and was in fact really awesome, reading what the MMO will really entail makes it look, how do you hipsters say, "vanilla". It looks like WoW meets KotOR, which makes me sad because KotOR is one of my favorite franchises. :(

Cinematic trailers look cool, but in the end they mean nothing. You aren't going to entertain me for hours on end with cinematic content. They simply can't come up with enough...

It also shows nothing of the gameplay. I've rarely been impressed by ground MMOs and hand to hand combat (except in AoC, that was pretty good). I think FPS style makes much more sense. It definitely does seem like Bioware is going more for that pure WoW type MMO than put in some cool mechanics to actually make the jedi/bounty hunters/troopers feel fun.

I'm a mechanics guy, if the gameplay/combat mechanics aren't fun, it's over. Nothing else can make up for that. We'll see what they do, but I'm loving the sound of STO space and ground combat.

Wouldn't it be funny though if SWTOR has 'run and gun' fighter style space combat and 'tactical' ground combat :p?

[Sumdian]

I will play STO when its out but if the PVP is like what ive been reading the last few days then it wont keep me playing for long and ill be going to the new star wars mmo when its out

[GamerForever]

This is something that I've been thinking quite alot about over the last few weeks, and there are a number of different points I'd like to make about the two games.

My first one is, that while both games are different IP's and belong in different Universes, a part of me would like to pretend that both games could co-exist in-game. If you were to just stop for a moment, and forget about the legal stuff, the Star War's "galaxy" is as they say, "far far away". Or perhaps they exist in alternate dimentions. Perhaps there is some massive black hole beyond the great barrier in the Star Trek universe that could lead to the Star Wars one. lol, ok I think too much, but as a fan of both games I really couldn't help trying to work it out.

Back to reality now, I am always a fan of a game thats made by Bioware. They've made some great games in the past, not just Kotor. Jade Empire and Mass Effect, to name a few. Star Wars Galaxies is getting to the end of its life now I think. Sure, you can look at the game now and think what a mess it is, particularlly after the fact that they've had something like 3 different developers working on it over the years. But lets not for get that there was a time when that game really captured an audience. It was fun, a little different. It wasn't a carbon copy of WoW with si-fi added. Biowear would be watching and listening and indeed playing SWG and use that to turn TOR into a reallly special game. At least thats my hope.

I think that Star Trek Online will be unique enough that it will be vastly different from TOR. Star Wars is all about good and evil, black and white. Its far more character focused. Where as Star Trek is all about the exploration. Seeing the universe and learning all you can from it. The slow, deliberate pase of space battles is something unique to star trek. The cleaver use of the TV shows help to add a rich history to the game that will be instantly recignisable to fans.

As for me, I'll most likely end up with both.

[Rick_Fias]

Omg another of these topics which have been talked about for 10000000000000 etcetc etc times....

In the end it will be SW for the win lol!

[Corehaven22]

I think this should answer all your concerns and questions.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ijDlbvAxw&feature=channel


:D

[CaptainFox79]

Being one of those Star Trek fans who gets in arguments with Star Wars fan about... Well anything having to do with which one is better... I'd say Star Trek is the one for me. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars too, but Star Trek to me... Is a google times better.

[FierySpecter]

Being one of those Star Trek fans who gets in arguments with Star Wars fan about... Well anything having to do with which one is better... I'd say Star Trek is the one for me. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars too, but Star Trek to me... Is a google times better.Star Trek is better in that any ship with shields could annihilate any Star Wars vessel. Star Wars ships seem to be able to travel much faster though.

[wrussandrews]

They are very different. I enjoy both.

[USS_Parallax]

There's no real chance this will be like SWG...

It's being made by the same people who make Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic I and II. Those are probably the best Star Wars games out there. The first is an AAA Title.

I'm not saying that means this MMO will be pwnsome. Just that it's being made by a company who have treated Star Wars very well.

[-Brett-]

More interested in STO, personally.

If not for EA having it's claws embedded in Bioware's nuts, I might think differently. As it is, I expect the game will be incomplete, buggy, and focus more on making your sim ... err I mean character go to the bathroom and do his laundry than epic action and adventure.

[wrussandrews]

Well I am a long time SWG player on break. I am looking forward to STO; I prefer space to the ground.

I have no interest SW:TOR

[LunaticFringer]

As gamer that started with SWG's original sandbox you could say I've always been chasing an imaginary dragon of the "ultimate" mmorpg since it's launch.

Now, as a more avid gamer, I have to say comparing the two is likely going to be like comparing apples and oranges. The space games are likely to be far different. I would imagine any Star Wars space sim to be just that... a space sim with fighter style twitch based movement. Where as I'm still thinking our STO experience while we've been told WASD I believe may feature a more tactical Starfleet Command style game. So, space (once SW:TOR confirms it) will likely be two completely different beasts altogether.

Now the ground game? I'm unsure which we could call speculatively "better" at this point. I love me some fourth pillar action though as the guys at Bioware have coined it. But, essentially, won't some of that be the same thing as episodic content in STO? Maybe not as definitive as a choice making long lasting consequences as SW:TOR is toting... but still a sense that we can mold how a scenario plays out by our choices rather than the one way through the rat maze scenario we've been presented so many times in the past.

Funnily, I thought the title of the thread had something to do with the college humor video about comparing the original Star Wars movie to the new Star Trek movie. :D

But to sum up... I think we're going to see some different game play out of both games. And it may boil down to which kind of game play you like more just as much as which IP if you're a one game only player. But that is just my opinion.

I think both games have quite a few faults or at least unmet expectations people had wanted in both that have already been confirmed won't be there at launch. However, both IPs have their names going for them and two "stellar" companies working on them.

It may be presumptuous to say it since so many mmorpgs have always said they're "breaking the mold" but I really think these two mmorpgs may well set a new milestone for the industry much as WoW has already and EQ did before it and UO before it... so on and so forth. That is if the fourth pillar ideas and episodic content turn out as robust as we're all hoping.

Make it so! :cool:

[Bahalo]

The only thing these 2 games have in common is that they both have a great number of fans. I will point out a big diference between them which for me is critical. The PVP. In star wars the pvp will be fast and and it will be over in a matter of seconds, while in star trek the slow paced battles between the big spaceships is much more to my liking. And furthermore i am bored from the single char model in contradiction with developing an entire ship, its crew and the captains skills.

Just my opinion.

[jhem99]

I reckon to compare the two is like comparing apples with oranges. Star TREK and Star WARS.
The premise that these games are developed on is totally different. Star Trek is about trekking and Star Wars is about Wars.
You like apples?:D

[ibby1kanobi]

I've been watching both, and I love both universes (as most do). It seems STO is slated to be out first, and that's what I'm going to play. STO will have about 6 months to hook me. I might end up playing both, that'll be the first timei play 2 mmos at the same time. Luckily for me I work nights and have alot of free time at work.

[Arsinoe]

just me here but: STO over SWTOR anyday. :D

[CalonLan]

I'm more excited about STO, I've been waiting for it for longer....

I'm all Star Wars'd out after playing SWG for nearly 5 years. Although I am a big fan of Bioware, they've always produced quality RPG's, and I have several friends waiting on SW:TOR.

Trek continues to represent good science fiction writing and was always about the technology, exploration and the science with the odd skirmish. Where Star Wars is all about lightsabers, blasters and the mystic force.

I think both will be good, but in completely different ways.

[Condemnation]

If you will notice, i was never asking which series or IP did you think was better, and in fact i couldn't care less. What am looking to contrast is the games.

Whether you hate it or love it, the similarities between the two games are striking. Both take place in iconic space based IP's, both are based on a faction system, etc etc. The major difference is that TOR seems to be focusing more on the war between the two factions while STO is focusing more on the world in general. That and the whole space combat thing.

thats fine, but like someone else said, STO has about a month or so to hook me before i wander off and find something else. Likewise with TOR. I love both IP's but it comes down to the PVP for me. PVE is easy, throw together a story, slap a dungeon together and call it a day. It's a fire and forget thing basically. Any game can do great PVE, its the PVP that keeps people playing, and keeps them coming back for the challenge.

As much as i do love PVE, i like doing it because it has a purpose. The PVE fuels my PVP ability. They are linked, and in the end it will come down to which game has the best PVP. Which game can make me care about why im fighting the enemy, and which game can make it worth my while.

[wrussandrews]

Sorry but I cannot answer your question regarding the two games until STO goes live. We really do not know much about STO.

[thefrayl]

If you will notice, i was never asking which series or IP did you think was better, and in fact i couldn't care less. What am looking to contrast is the games.

I think the title did it more than anything. I'm sure alot of people didn't even read the OP, unfortunately.

But really, I am hopeful that STO's PvP is quite engaging as well. It's not absolutely critical for me, as I generally stick to PvE in MMO's anyway, but I do think it's very important.

The supposed single server shard proposed, as well as PvP being presented as a fully optional feature throughout the entire game is a bit of a concern. I thought we would at least have open PvP in the Neutral Zone or certain sectors, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore... To be honest, it's making the Federation look a whole lot better when it comes to an in game faction choice.

[Beaver8]

The new SWTOR cinematic video sure is amazing. Who could disagree with that. But as it was already pointed out, cinematics do not make the game. It's just some eye candy you get every now and then...but that video made my arm hair stand up straight. :)

I have been looking into STO, SWTOR, SGW (stargate worlds) for the most part. I am also interested in champions a bit.

I am really hoping that STO pulls out ahead at least in my eyes and there are some concerns I have regarding STO. One of the biggest things is lack of information. It seems like Bioware puts out new information constantly and there is so little information about STO the onlything that we have to do is speculate and argue.

And in SWTOR. I would play as a Trooper :)

[wrussandrews]

I think the title did it more than anything. I'm sure alot of people didn't even read the OP, unfortunately.

But really, I am hopeful that STO's PvP is quite engaging as well. It's not absolutely critical for me, as I generally stick to PvE in MMO's anyway, but I do think it's very important.

The supposed single server shard proposed, as well as PvP being presented as a fully optional feature throughout the entire game is a bit of a concern. I thought we would at least have open PvP in the Neutral Zone or certain sectors, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore... To be honest, it's making the Federation look a whole lot better when it comes to an in game faction choice.

Its not that; I did read the post. It is just hard to comment on a game that I have not actually seen. Even my reasons for being "not interested" are vague.

[thefrayl]

Its not that; I did read the post. It is just hard to comment on a game that I have not actually seen. Even my reasons for being "not interested" are vague.

I wasn't referring to you, actually. Your posts in this thread all seem to be pertaining to the intended subject matter. :)

[Kinjiru]

I am extremely disturbed by some of the things i am hearing about the pvp system here, and i like what im hearing about the pvp system over in TOR.

What are you hearing about PvP here that disturbs you?

So far, it sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Q: Will there be PvP?
A: Yes. We plan for a faction vs. faction PvP ruleset, but there are also plans for a competitive PvE mechanic.

Top

Q: Will there be PvP, PvE and RP rule set servers?
A: There will not be separate servers for PvP and PvE rulesets. Open PvP will be restricted to designated sectors of space (far-off reaches of unclaimed territory). Consensual PvP and competitive PvE will occur between the realm borders (the Neutral Zone), where players will be competing over territory and resources with the option to PvP.

From the FAQ
http://www.startrekonline.com/faq#11

[Galv]

If you will notice, i was never asking which series or IP did you think was better, and in fact i couldn't care less. What am looking to contrast is the games.

Whether you hate it or love it, the similarities between the two games are striking. Both take place in iconic space based IP's, both are based on a faction system, etc etc. The major difference is that TOR seems to be focusing more on the war between the two factions while STO is focusing more on the world in general. That and the whole space combat thing.

thats fine, but like someone else said, STO has about a month or so to hook me before i wander off and find something else. Likewise with TOR. I love both IP's but it comes down to the PVP for me. PVE is easy, throw together a story, slap a dungeon together and call it a day. It's a fire and forget thing basically. Any game can do great PVE, its the PVP that keeps people playing, and keeps them coming back for the challenge.

As much as i do love PVE, i like doing it because it has a purpose. The PVE fuels my PVP ability. They are linked, and in the end it will come down to which game has the best PVP. Which game can make me care about why im fighting the enemy, and which game can make it worth my while.

Why can't pvp be story driven aswell? the only impression i get from SWTOR is that the pvp is going to be linked with the main story arch of the game, but that's just how i see it and i haven't got much to go. In terms of contrast i guess the style of combat they use will affect the pvp for me.

[wrussandrews]

I wasn't referring to you, actually. Your posts in this thread all seem to be pertaining to the intended subject matter. :)

I know, but thanks for the reply!

My post was of a general nature. I know it is a bit evasive, but the truth is I really do not know what to say other than "I will know when I see it"

I often want to take features from every mmo I have seen and combine them; most of them have at least one thing that I like.

[Loekii]

Also, SW:TOR is definately doing a better job with PR.

STO only has ~40 Screenshots (for a game supposedly due out this fall, if not March 2010), AND SW:Tor has about ~45 for a game due out 9 months later. Add to this the trailers SW:TOR has as well as their showing at E3.

I do not mean to sound like I am bashing STO, but rather I am noting a marked difference between the quality of how each seems to be being marketed. To behonest, I worry that this is not simply a difference of PR styles, but quite possibly issues behind the curtain with STO.

[Azurian]

Well, you do have a point regarding PR. Bioware has been very open with their TOR videos, though I wouldn't necessarily say Cryptic's been slow with their PR either. They appear to be doing a better job getting the word out through gaming magazines.

Hoever, Cryptic really needs to get videos out there to get attention.

[mook42]

As irony might have it,

Starwars The Old Republic and Star Trek Online will probably be released around the same time. While TOR does not appear to have space combat at the moment, Both Star Trek and Star Wars are both insanely popular space IP's. I happen to like both myself, always have, always will. I grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars. Picking one of them over the other based on story is impossible for me, so its coming down to the pvp.

I am extremely disturbed by some of the things i am hearing about the pvp system here, and i like what im hearing about the pvp system over in TOR. Problem for me is that i know for a fact that TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will. It's a give and take situation at the moment for me, and i refuse to split my attention. I know im not the only one following these two games,

What are your impressions, pros and cons of each as they stand right now. Both are in similar states of production with TOR releasing more information at the moment. Forget about the story, and judge the game as it stands now.

What do you think?



STO will beat out starwars easy

[DanSeale]

Well, you do have a point regarding PR. Bioware has been very open with their TOR videos, though I wouldn't necessarily say Cryptic's been slow with their PR either. They appear to be doing a better job getting the word out through gaming magazines.

Hoever, Cryptic really needs to get videos out there to get attention.

IMHO I'd rather Cryptic work on the game... HOWEVER, the truth is without a certain amout of cutting edge "flash" some folks will not even give the community a look.

The younger folks will tell ya .. if the web site and other current media that reaches new commers is not up to speed it can hurt ya in the long run.

[wootage]

Instead of looking at the whole "space" aspect, let's look at the gameplay.

SWTOR is going to be a first person shooter/lightsaber storyline-driven RPG.

STO is going to be half vehicle exploration/combat/questing game, with the other half third-person questing/ranged combat/puzzle solving, with some sort of overarching storyline involving your entire faction.

They're obvously going to play totally differently, so which is "better" can only be decided by personal taste, and that only after trialing both.

My take is - just play both :D We've had a long, dark time in the MMO world, so I'm ready for some real fun.

[Twebald]

Just to correct you, TOR won't be hitting stores until Q4 2010. STO will be between Q4 2009 and Q1 2010. No contest.

You don't know that.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

What do you think?

I think you should have posted this in one of the many other threads that have already been posted about this topic. Hey, you asked :o

[Dext]

As irony might have it,

Starwars The Old Republic and Star Trek Online will probably be released around the same time. While TOR does not appear to have space combat at the moment, Both Star Trek and Star Wars are both insanely popular space IP's. I happen to like both myself, always have, always will. I grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars. Picking one of them over the other based on story is impossible for me, so its coming down to the pvp.

I am extremely disturbed by some of the things i am hearing about the pvp system here, and i like what im hearing about the pvp system over in TOR. Problem for me is that i know for a fact that TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will. It's a give and take situation at the moment for me, and i refuse to split my attention. I know im not the only one following these two games,

What are your impressions, pros and cons of each as they stand right now. Both are in similar states of production with TOR releasing more information at the moment. Forget about the story, and judge the game as it stands now.

What do you think?

I will be getting both an playing both :)

[Loekii]

STO will beat out starwars easy

I strongly disagree.

SW is more popular than Star Trek as a franchise.

Bioware is more popular than Cryptic as a Gaming Studio.

Bioware has produced hit games.

At best, STO will 'tie' SW:TOR.

[Kinjiru]

SW is more popular than Star Trek as a franchise.

Bioware is more popular than Cryptic as a Gaming Studio.

Bioware has produced hit games.

At best, STO will 'tie' SW:TOR.


I'd like to see some numbers that back that up man. I think that the Star Wars crowd may be younger, but not necessarily larger. My reasoning here is that the prequels alienated a lot of the older Star Wars fans, specifically those of us that saw Episode IV when it was still called "Star Wars" in a theater in '77.

Essentially, the things that Lucas did with the prequels (and some of the changes made after the fact in the re-releases of IV, V and VI) killed it for me at least... things like like Jar Jar Binks and "Okeeday", Greedo shooting first, midichlorians?? Really? And such incredible one liners as: "Hold me like you did that day by the lake on Naboo."

Anyway, I know that while I used to consider myself a fan of both equally, I now consider Star Trek to be the more mature of the two franchises, and am a fan accordingly.

Also, wouldn't you consider City of Heroes/Villians to be a big hit too? Look at it from a different perspective:

Both Cryptic and Bioware both have had a pretty big hit, they're both popular gaming studios, and they're both working on an MMO based on a huge license.

But blanket statements without facts/links don't really say anything, and just invite confusion.

So anyway, I would honestly think that the number of fans would be around equal, and while they'll both have a certain mass appeal, I think that STO will attract a slightly older audience, while SW:TOR will grab more of a younger market share.

--- Kinj

Past Senior Marketing Services Coordinator
In the nefarious "real life" that we sometimes refer too. :)

[DanSeale]

I'd like to see some numbers that back that up man. I think that the Star Wars crowd may be younger, but not necessarily larger. My reasoning here is that the prequels alienated a lot of the older Star Wars fans, specifically those of us that saw Episode IV when it was still called "Star Wars" in a theater in '77.

Essentially, the things that Lucas did with the prequels (and some of the changes made after the fact in the re-releases of IV, V and VI) killed it for me at least... things like like Jar Jar Binks and "Okeeday", Greedo shooting first, midichlorians?? Really? And such incredible one liners as: "Hold me like you did that day by the lake on Naboo."

Anyway, I know that while I used to consider myself a fan of both equally, I now consider Star Trek to be the more mature of the two franchises, and am a fan accordingly.

Also, wouldn't you consider City of Heroes/Villians to be a big hit too? Look at it from a different perspective:

Both Cryptic and Bioware both have had a pretty big hit, they're both popular gaming studios, and they're both working on an MMO based on a huge license.

But blanket statements without facts/links don't really say anything, and just invite confusion.

So anyway, I would honestly think that the number of fans would be around equal, and while they'll both have a certain mass appeal, I think that STO will attract a slightly older audience, while SW:TOR will grab more of a younger market share.

--- Kinj

Past Senior Marketing Services Coordinator
In the nefarious "real life" that we sometimes refer too. :)

While a great deal of what you say is true ... IMHO both will have their strong points .. BOTH will have their weakness. In the end the one game that is well rounded with BOTH PvE and PvP, the best graphics, lest problems and most of all the BEST contient will be the game that will capture the bigger audience. I also predict that both WoW and EvE will see a decline in their numbers as a result of STO and SWTOR being released.

If STO delivers the goods as they are promissing there will be no need to worry.

No pressure .. right folks !
:D

[The.Grand.Nagus]

I strongly disagree.

SW is more popular than Star Trek as a franchise.

Bioware is more popular than Cryptic as a Gaming Studio.

Bioware has produced hit games.

At best, STO will 'tie' SW:TOR.


I agree with you on every point. And nothing about that is "biased", it is simply reality. However, in the past few years Star Wars has started to get kind of stale for me. Unless Lucas comes out with something on par with the new ST movie, I dont see myself getting very excited about the franchise again. That said, I do plan on playing both games :o

[Bovafett]

I strongly disagree.

SW is more popular than Star Trek as a franchise.

Bioware is more popular than Cryptic as a Gaming Studio.

Bioware has produced hit games.

At best, STO will 'tie' SW:TOR.

I completely agree. I have been waiting for STO for a long time, but SWToR does have a lot of features many gamers seek, and it will have a PvP focus. Bioware also makes insanely popular games, and they do it VERY well. You could argue that they are the creators of cult classics for gamers.

There is no doubt in my mind, that SWToR will out do STO, but I still want my STO and my Intrepid Class ship. :p

[Azurit]

I also like StarTrek and StarWars, I have played SWG and a lot of StarWars and StarTrek Games out there.

I am looking forward to both games and happy to have the choice between this 2 new mmos. I will play the one that turns out to be better. I think I will buy both and play the free month and decide afterwards. Maybe the one that comes out first will get an advantage.

PVP does not matter to me in mmos - I have played Halos, Command&Conquers, Battlefield2140, Xwing Alliance and others pvp and enjoyed it. But in mmos its most times just anoying (to much imbalance - class, items etc.).

Up to now I think I will like StarTrek more. Exploration and resources handling sounds interessting to me, I hope this will also result in a complex crafting system. I want my mmos to be complex and not dumped down like WoW. Because if you spend month and years with a single game there must be something to learn and achieve and this works better in more complex games. I like ship combat, I loved JumptoLightspeed (SWG add on).

As far as StarWars is concerend. I don't see the MMO yet. The describtions for smuggler and trooper class, the story aspects and everything sounds nice. But where is the mmo? Will there even be crafting? Everything sounds just like a Kotor at the moment. So I fear that it will be focused on twinking (to experience the different storys) and not much on character development and this things.

So to me StarTrek looks more promessing, but I will just check out both and decide afterwards.

[inXi]

I am not really looking at the franchises here, and game wise, I am looking at 4 MMO's in production right now, STO being on the top, and SW: TOR being on the bottom, mainly because SW: TOR seems to be following the typical MMO template I am sick of, while STO and IQFE both offer alternative combat and extensive space exploration. Besides, so far I've seen very little of SW: TOR.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

Besides, so far I've seen very little of SW: TOR.

Only because you havent looked, since TOR has released as much, if not more, info as STO has. But maybe thats what you meant :o

[Loekii]

Only because you havent looked, since TOR has released as much, if not more, info as STO has. But maybe thats what you meant :o

So True. I posted this in another thread. It compares the information and Websites of STO and SW:TOR, showing that SW:TOR is greatly out pacing STO in information, media and simple format:
I think it is more than just the last Trailer.

Estimated Release:
STO = Dec 09 ~ March 10
SW:TOR ~ Q4 2010

Compare the total Trailers/Videos:
STO Videos (3) (http://www.startrekonline.com/videos)
SW:TOR Videos (6) (http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers)

Compare the Screenshot Pages between STO and SW:TOR:
STO Screenshots (~38) (http://www.startrekonline.com/screenshots)
SW:TOR Screenshots (~46) (http://www.swtor.com/media/screens)

Then further compare the simply layout of the two sites. Information is more easily obtained and laid you. If I asked my wife (who hates both Video games and Sci-Fi, but works for a Web Service Software company) to find information one of the factions or say one of the classes in SW:TOR, she could find it.

If I ask her to do the same on the STO site, she would not be able to find it (and probably throw something at me in the attempt).

So, imo, it not simply that SW:TOR released an impressive trailer, but rather STO is falling behind in the PR department.

[Dr._Sskarno]

I dont think they're really in competition that much. TOR is going to get all the "I wanna swing a lightsaber and pwn you crowd". I think they're gonna have a hard time balancing a game that has classes with god-like powers. Meanwhile STO will be appealing to a gamer with higher standards than that.

[wootage]

I'd like to see some numbers that back that up man. I think that the Star Wars crowd may be younger, but not necessarily larger. My reasoning here is that the prequels alienated a lot of the older Star Wars fans, specifically those of us that saw Episode IV when it was still called "Star Wars" in a theater in '77.

Essentially, the things that Lucas did with the prequels (and some of the changes made after the fact in the re-releases of IV, V and VI) killed it for me at least... things like like Jar Jar Binks and "Okeeday", Greedo shooting first, midichlorians?? Really? And such incredible one liners as: "Hold me like you did that day by the lake on Naboo."



You want to try downloading the Magnoliafan fanedited versions of Ep 1 and II (you must also own the original movies to avoid pirating because of this, btw). He fixed darn near everything, and they're now really good flicks. He also did something way cool with Jar-Jar and the Japanese aliens that makes them fit right in and work well- believe it or not lol.

[wrussandrews]

I dont think they're really in competition that much. TOR is going to get all the "I wanna swing a lightsaber and pwn you crowd". I think they're gonna have a hard time balancing a game that has classes with god-like powers. Meanwhile STO will be appealing to a gamer with higher standards than that.

Well I would not say standards its about what people like. I do agree that the games will probably not be much competition for each other. TOR does not compete with the original audience SWG was written for. Not sure about now.

[seancorycooper]

This is a tough call for me, as I'm a big SW fan..and, good god, what was done to SWG was an abomination :(...but I need ships and space combat. if TOR doesn't offer that(to soon to know) then I'l prolly stick with STO with either JGE or black prophecy for twitch action..I like to fly things :)

[Condemnation]

I maintain that George Lucas was the worst thing to ever happen to starwars.

I enjoy the Expanded Universe far more than i ever enjoyed any of his movies. He needs to just go away and stop trying to add things.

[Beaver8]

IQFE

What is IQFE?

[dyvimtorm]

I maintain that George Lucas was the worst thing to ever happen to starwars.

I enjoy the Expanded Universe far more than i ever enjoyed any of his movies. He needs to just go away and stop trying to add things.

Sorry to veer OT, just wanted to say something on this. Yeah, I've often thought his directorial and writing contributions after the original movie were lousy. But I do love the original Star Wars, which was really his baby. I think he lost his way in all the new technology he helped bring about, and forgot about making really good, fun stories and characters rather than weird stereotypes and marketable toys. And, I'm a big fan of ESB, you know, the one he just produced :p Anyway, back OT...

Ummmm...don't know how ST v SW will pan out, don't know enough about the games, but there certainly will be shared market share to be fought over. Luckily, this will be a way better product!!!! IMO. ;)

[The.Grand.Nagus]

I maintain that George Lucas was the worst thing to ever happen to starwars.

I enjoy the Expanded Universe far more than i ever enjoyed any of his movies. He needs to just go away and stop trying to add things.

The EU wouldnt exist without GL, so I guess he's the best and the worst :o

[Beaver8]

The EU wouldnt exist without GL, so I guess he's the best and the worst :o

Lets just say he suffered brain damage after the first 3 movies? We all agree on that?

[dyvimtorm]

Lets just say he suffered brain damage after the first 3 movies? We all agree on that?

Hmmmm...I think he had early degenerative features in RotJ, how else do you explain Ewoks?

[The.Grand.Nagus]

Lets just say he suffered brain damage after the first 3 movies? We all agree on that?

Whats so sad to me is that the overall stories of the prequals were good. In fact, as novels, they were every bit as good as the original stories, IMHO. Sadly, when it came to the films themselves, they didnt have the same magic as the originals.

[inXi]

What is IQFE?Infinity Quest For Earth aka abbreviation of Infinity: The Quest for Earth (http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/), an indie space MMO project.

[Beaver8]

Infinity Quest For Earth aka abbreviation of Infinity: The Quest for Earth (http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/), an indie space MMO project.
Thank you. Sir.

[Leonidusroar]

I was wondering what you people thought about this game shaping up against STO. I'm on the border for which one to choose, they both look like great games.
So here's your chance.... Convince me!

[Silverspar]

The gameplay, form what I've seen in various gameplay trailers, leaves much to be desired for SWTOR. Since the combat in STO is suppose to be more action based, at least as far as ground combat is concerned, I am hoping less taking dozens of laser shots and just shrugging.

[Loekii]

The search engine doesn't pick it up to well (gotta have the correct code word :rolleyes: ), but there is an existing thread about SW:TOR vs. STO:


http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=570476#post570476

[Silverspar]

The search engine doesn't pick it up to well (gotta have the correct code word :rolleyes: ), but there is an existing thread about SW:TOR vs. STO:


http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=570476#post570476


Probably because there is an half dozen of these psots spread across at least three forums over the last several months since TOR's announcement.

[Galv]

Infinity Quest For Earth aka abbreviation of Infinity: The Quest for Earth (http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/), an indie space MMO project.

That looks/sounds like a great game, love the idea for combat. Maybe a bit ambitious plus there's no chance of that getting anywhere near a console so go for me.

[Galv]

Whats so sad to me is that the overall stories of the prequals were good. In fact, as novels, they were every bit as good as the original stories, IMHO. Sadly, when it came to the films themselves, they didnt have the same magic as the originals.

It lost it's magic for me because it wasn't the original cast/characters just not star wars without chewie and hans solo.

[Silverspar]

It lost it's magic for me because it wasn't the original cast/characters just not star wars without chewie and hans solo.

It failed because it was forced, and not a good forced, the actors chosen had no chemistry, the story had only one direction or the fans were going to nerdrage, and quite frankly, George Lucas was painted into a corner.

[Krakkken]

Infinity Quest For Earth aka abbreviation of Infinity: The Quest for Earth (http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/), an indie space MMO project.

there are actualy a few things sto could learn from that game. number one is the wide open design of the game and the ability to fly from space directly to the ground. it makes for a great immersion factor never having to be drawn out of the game during loading screens and instances. I have followed the sw-tor and have lost all interest in even playing that game because its going to be toons on a rail completely pathed, and a very closed playstyle game.

[inXi]

there are actualy a few things sto could learn from that game.I believe so as well, which is why I keep bringing it up. But from what I know, IQFE has a rather unique engine. I don't know if Cryptic can afford planetary landings and other such things, especially since they seem to be creating a rather limited model of space.

[RookActual]

Problem for me is that i know for a fact that TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will.

While I'm sure this statement has led to some rather inflammatory responses, I will say I agree at the foundation. I do read the TOR forums frequently, but the level of intellectual discussion there hardly rivals the one present here. I've always been a fan of Star Wars for the reasons I am a fan of Star Trek, but really, I'm in a minority there. That reason being the drama and the story. I think a great deal of SW fans are more attracted to the action, lightsabres, battles and other outright twitchiness. I really am much more of an SW fan than ST. I own approximately $100 - $200 of Trek as opposed to my Darth Vader collection which is alone appraised at around $10K and has it's own specially constructed room in my home. Not to mention the other general SW collection. Yet, I do have to admit....I think TOR will have a far greater number of 'squeakers' than Trek. Trek does, very simply, appeal to a more 'mature' crowd....

[Galv]

It failed because it was forced, and not a good forced, the actors chosen had no chemistry, the story had only one direction or the fans were going to nerdrage, and quite frankly, George Lucas was painted into a corner.

Maybe for you but for me it's always been about the falcon with hans and chewie, and without them it wasn't the same. Plus watching them when your an adult and knowing it's all blue/green screen dulls it alot to.

[Awarkle]

For me i dont know if it is the same for anyone else but its always been about the ships, the squishy bipeds that roam around inside them yacking dont give me any sort of pleasure.

but for instance watching the battlestar galactica free fall before jumping, or the millenium falcon escaping with wedge antilies from the explody death star, or the defiant getting a pasting from the borg cube.

Every single sci fi that i can think of i can remember the ships and what they did but the people involved half the time i cant remmber the actors :)

I mean i have a fasination with steam ships from the early 20's (was there long before the titanic movie) i dont know why it is i just love large ships space ships ocean going. Hmm reading this im sounding like a royal geek :D

As for starwars i think if Lucas released an edited version that just had ship battles and that was it i would buy it :)

[inXi]

Every single sci fi that i can think of i can remember the ships and what they did but the people involved half the time i cant remmber the actors :)Go watch LEXX.

[Silverspar]

Maybe for you but for me it's always been about the falcon with hans and chewie, and without them it wasn't the same. Plus watching them when your an adult and knowing it's all blue/green screen dulls it alot to.

You do realize that a lot of old Star Wars was blue/green screen right :p

[Kinjiru]

As for starwars i think if Lucas released an edited version that just had ship battles and that was it i would buy it :)

You should check out:
http://www.spacebattles.com/movies.php

It's an old site, but it's filled with ships, ships, and nothing but ships. :)

[Galv]

You do realize that a lot of old Star Wars was blue/green screen right :p


Like i said, it's different when your kid, i didn't question the sfx maybe you did.

[powerwolf]

Star Trek pvp sounds cool

[MuranOrwes]

You do realize that a lot of old Star Wars was blue/green screen right :p

Well, they still used sets, and at least the ships were models; only the space backdrop and some scenes utilized blue screen. The surface of the Death Star was a miniature recreation, though I'm sure George Lucas would create the entire thing on a computer if he made the movie today.

[Silverspar]

Well, they still used sets, and at least the ships were models; only the space backdrop and some scenes utilized blue screen. The surface of the Death Star was a miniature recreation, though I'm sure George Lucas would create the entire thing on a computer if he made the movie today.

Actually quite a few scenes utilized the blue screen.

[Colm]

Star Wars is science fantasy.
Star Trek is science fiction.
I like science fiction better.

And I care more about what will happen in our galaxy some 400 years in our future, than what has happened a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

[ehobbs4004]

SWTOR looks like WoW in space. Ships in SWTOR will be like mounts in WoW. STO is all about ships. Guilds in STO are Fleets.

It'll be a long time before you get a ship in SWTOR. You start off in a ship in STO.

Game over man. STO wins.

:D

[cmhDK]

As irony might have it,

Starwars The Old Republic and Star Trek Online will probably be released around the same time. While TOR does not appear to have space combat at the moment, Both Star Trek and Star Wars are both insanely popular space IP's. I happen to like both myself, always have, always will. I grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars. Picking one of them over the other based on story is impossible for me, so its coming down to the pvp.

I am extremely disturbed by some of the things i am hearing about the pvp system here, and i like what im hearing about the pvp system over in TOR. Problem for me is that i know for a fact that TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will. It's a give and take situation at the moment for me, and i refuse to split my attention. I know im not the only one following these two games,

What are your impressions, pros and cons of each as they stand right now. Both are in similar states of production with TOR releasing more information at the moment. Forget about the story, and judge the game as it stands now.

What do you think?

well I belive you answered you own "question" with TOR is going to have far more WoW tards in it than STO will

is there need for more reasons?
also, you''re hearing about PvP from players and their oppinions... it might not be as bad as it sounds

[Ceriak]

Star Trek is a trek across the stars
Star Wars is a single war fought between the empire and the Rebel Alliance (original trilogy-wise)
Why was it not called Star War when it was released? It makes no sense.
Anyway, I'll probably go for both if they don't release at the same time... TOR sounds pretty cool but I also loved the KoTOR games..

[inXi]

Why was it not called Star War when it was released?"Star Wars" is more epic, and they both end up having 4 letters that way...

[koric]

TOR looks alright, but I do prefer the Star Trek style of genre. I'll probably play both for awhile, but if they make pvp like they say they are going to here, TOR won't get renewed. Consensual pvp is the way to go. FFA pvp merely eliminates a portion of your playerbase. Sure, consensual pvp might chase off the pvp crowd, but they will leave anyway. They do in almost every game.

[rotnsoul1978]

First off if the new Star wars mmo is similar in anyway to Star Wars Galaxies then this will be a fast sinking ship for me. But I believe that bioware has been paying attention to some of these failed games and are going to create something really special and cool with this one.



Okay I played SWG for 3 years, I watched as SOE destroyed that game. HOWEVER BioWare is one of the best gameing companies out there. And if you have been following TOR from the begining you would know that they spent 2 weeks explaining how they were going to single handedly restore the faith in SW fans with this game.

It is going to be Game of the Year I would put money on it.

I plan to buy both games, and give each at least 2 months to decide which one I will stick with. (it is possible I may stick with both) - Grouping in SWToR is designed much like the true RPGs are made. Each player has their own goals but they work as a team to achieve the same MAJOR outcome.

I'm not sure how STO is going to work as a "group" game considering your crew is made up of NPC and every "Player" character is a Captain? How many captains can Starfleet need. They should allow PvP for hostile races.

Just my opinion.

[Kinjiru]

I don't think I'm going to touch TOR, the prequels killed Star Wars for me. For example; Jar Jar Binks. And FrankenVader. And awesome dialogue like "Hold me like you did that day by the lake on Naboo."

And changing Ep IV to have Greedo shoot first? terrible.