No official release date

[jblancato]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:
We've said it before, I'll say it again - you will know HERE when the official release date is before anywhere else!

Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation.

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[SirReginaldo]

What about Cardassian Voles (Moles?) things... Why not just the "Your Races Ethical Treatment of Animals Association":D

Oh, and I had just mentioned such about the release:D You must have been surfing the forums;) Cowabunga! (not meaning bad or anything, the auzzie version mate!)

[thefrayl]

Thank you very much for posting this, Rekhan. Hopefully it will help. :)

[terranova3y2]

Nice to know Rekhan, good man :)

[oleum]

Thanks Rekhan

[Tamgros]

While we're here:
-Beta hasn't started yet and will be announced here first as well.

-STO is set in the original time line following Nemesis so Romulus is gone along with Spock, but Vulcan is still here (whereas Vulcan is gone in the alternate new movie time line where Nero and Spock went)

- The STO game engine is capable of running on consoles but they haven't released info on which, if any, that STO will be released on. (the game engine is the same as Champions Online which is being released on Xbox 360).

Hmmm, what else...:)

But yeah, thanks Rekhan!! :D

[SirReginaldo]

"Rekhan! Number One all around":D

[evan.is.weyoun]

Thank God, now maybe we'll have a reduction in the number of release date threads.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:


Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation.

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That said, Atari now OWNS Cryptic, so what they say (http://www.incgamers.com/News/16632/Star-Trek-Online-Expected-Release-Date-Revealed) carries just as much(if not more) weight as what Cryptic says :o

[deerang]

This sticky brought to you by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Tribbles.

What so i can\t use my Tribble to polish the car with ?

[jblancato]

That said, Atari now OWNS Cryptic, so what they say (http://www.incgamers.com/News/16632/Star-Trek-Online-Expected-Release-Date-Revealed) carries just as much(if not more) weright as what "Cryptic" says :o

See: Original post

[The.Grand.Nagus]

See: Original post

See: my reply :p

Seriously though, if your saying Atari doesnt know what their talking about, thats fine. But please clarify whether that is what your saying or not, because again, they now own Cryptic :o

[SirReginaldo]

See: my reply :p

Seriously though, if your saying Atari doesnt know what their talking about, thats fine. But please clarify whether that is what your saying or not, because again, they now own Cryptic :o

However, is Atari working on the game... Well probably really, however, when Cryptic believes that they are reaching the final product they would let you know, thus Atari would know:D

[The.Grand.Nagus]

However, is Atari working on the game... Well probably really, however, when Cryptic believes that they are reaching the final product they would let you know, thus Atari would know:D

In fact, Atari would know the progress of the game BEFORE the public, meaning Atari release that information themselves before it is actually posted here.

[Angelwithsoul]

Screw Atari, Cryptic Studios is making the game.

So if Cryptic Studios says they don't know when the release date will be, Then thats it.

Atari may be the one to publish this game, But they have no say in the matter to when this game will be finished. (If it's not finished, It's not finished.)

So... If the game isn't finished by the end of March 2010, Then blame Atari for providing false information, Don't blame Cryptic Studios because they NEVER said anything about a March 2010 release date.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

Atari may be the one to publish this game, But they have no say in the matter to when this game will be finished.

Actually, since Atari now owns STO, they can push the game out whenever they want, whether Cryptic is "ready" or not. Not saying thats going to happen, but they have the power to do so if they wanted to.

[ElCapitan1701]

It´s the normal way, that a publisher (atari) is setting a dead line for release to push the developer (cryptic). It`s also very normal, that the developer tries not to get a release date, so that they don`t get more pressure, as we already do. Nevertheless there comes a time, when the date must get fixed, so that advertising and organizing by the publisher can start. You can difference good by bad publishers in the way how much time they let the developer do his job. If patience (or money) of the publisher runs out, they force the dev to release the game, and voila - we get a buggy start. So let`s all hope, that Atari doesn`t push cryptic that hart, and neither should we. So all release-dates a pure speculation.

[Loekii]

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That is a Klingon Group, isn't it? :p LOL!

[Loekii]

Imo, this should have been Locked, so it doesn't get confusing with a bunch of posts.

Maybe have a non-sticked and unlocked thread for discussion.

[Vuk]

Okay , the fact that you even had to respond and post this , I find extremely amusing . Thank you though.:D

[Vuk]

Actually, since Atari now owns STO, they can push the game out whenever they want, whether Cryptic is "ready" or not. Not saying thats going to happen, but they have the power to do so if they wanted to.


Silly little things called contracts can be soooo, inconvienent.

[Trekkie]

I never really trusted release dates given by other sources anyway since I figured that they probably would not have a better chance at knowing the game than the rest of us, but it is good to get an official clarification on the issue nonetheless. Here's to hoping that something will b announced in the near future, though, because I am definitely getting anxious to play the game and it would really help to know at least a general time period in which we can expect the game.

[ramjam380]

Ah, to think that stickying this would have ended release date debates...

Anyway, at least it's all in the same place--just today I think I counted three new release date threads.

Thanks for trying to keep the forums organized Rekhan!

[thefreshjedi]

...This sticky brought to you by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Tribbles.

Thank you kind sir. Finally, a concrete announcement on release speculation!

P.E.T.T., I like it. Sounds better than P.E.T.A., which is technically something you can eat.


-avery

[J.L.Picard]

champions is not going to be that successful im sorry to say(it looks like a real good game) and it WILL die once DC Universe/Marvel Universe MMO's are released and Atari is going to be needing real cash from the cryptic, so ima say you can except a release in this fiscal year like atari said, i really hope im wrong and your not rushed but unfortunately you guys aren't blizzard

[PattonJ007]

What brought this on?

[Angelwithsoul]

Well, If Atari is going to stick by what they said and release this game before the end of March 2010 good for them.

But if Cryptic Studios says they havn't finished the game by then and Atari pushes the release anyway, I'm thinking of seriously boycotting any Atari product EVER made. (Which will most likely result in no significant damage being done to Atari whatsoever. But its the thought that counts.)

The future for STO does not look good if someone other then the creators of STO can say when the game is done. But this is the way it's been done before with many other products.

However, At the moment. I will await the day when Cryptic Studios releases the official news on a release date and I'll completely ignore anything Atari has to say about it. :rolleyes:

[thefreshjedi]

What brought this on?

Oh just a hundred or so threads speculating about the release date.

On the lighter side of things though:
When this thread is no longer stickied, I think you can expect an official release date then.



-avery

[PattonJ007]

Oh just a hundred or so threads speculating about the release date.

On the lighter side of things though:
When this thread is no longer stickied, I think you can expect an official release date then.



-avery

Haha oh I know. I'm tired of seeing them too. I asked that because I went to dinner with some friends tonight and one of them told me that the official release date was March of 2010 and I said that it wasn't, that Atari said that the game will be out no later than March 2010.

So I didn't know if some kind of statement was made and the public was freaking out along with Cryptic or something.

So yea that's why I asked "What brought this on?"

[jhem99]

Since speculation about the release date has been scuttled, maybe we could speculate when we will know more about ie beta, gamma, launch, foldback etc etc.:D

[Rgoodfel]

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Look at this, the Dev's are even being nice to Tribbles of all things! Come on love Klingons a little.

This message is brought to you by the Smash Tribbles into Pasty Goo Group.

[WikiUltimate]

kinda sad the devshad to sticky a post saying this...

[LordDave]

kinda sad the devshad to sticky a post saying this...

Blame Gamestop.

[Tamgros]

Look at this, the Dev's are even being nice to Tribbles of all things! Come on love Klingons a little.

This message is brought to you by the Smash Tribbles into Pasty Goo Group.

I'm tamgros, and I approve this message :p


Haha, but seriously this made me laugh pretty hard.:D

And yeah, it is sad that the devs had to make this post. It was pretty clear they were trying not to (and I respect them for that), but with this whole Atari financial report release it was just necessary :(.

[ramjam380]

Ha, I love the double-stickied redundant no-release-date-news blitz to try to get control of this business.

It's good though--shows how far the Cryptic folks are willing to go to get a handle on how the influx of new fans is affecting the forums. The repeated questions had really been bringing down the level of discourse and introducing some unnecessary negativity to the boards.

Keep shaping it up guys!

[AdmiralWynn]

Ha, I love the double-stickied redundant no-release-date-news blitz to try to get control of this business.

It's good though--shows how far the Cryptic folks are willing to go to get a handle on how the influx of new fans is affecting the forums. The repeated questions had really been bringing down the level of discourse and introducing some unnecessary negativity to the boards.

Keep shaping it up guys!

Agree. This post was badly needed, and is welcome. Thanks.

[dieuwe10]

Thanks guys. This will reduce the amount of new noob threads by 50%.

[dibchib]

yeah...this is just PR between Atari and cryptic...atari say 2010....cryptic say it will be ready when its ready

dont give in to pressure lol......what we dont want is an incomplete game or a complete game thts really poor.....i want to play this game now but im willing to wait until its ready even its its 2020 :D


even then once it gets released it will only get better

[The.Grand.Nagus]

yeah...this is just PR between Atari and cryptic...atari say 2010....cryptic say it will be ready when its ready

dont give in to pressure lol......what we dont want is an incomplete game or a complete game thts really poor.....i want to play this game now but im willing to wait until its ready even its its 2020 :D


even then once it gets released it will only get better

Eh, "complete" is subjective. There are some people who say its not "complete" until we have playable crews. Others would say its not "complete" until Romulans(or any other faction) is playable.

[M_Wagner]

I'm seeing a lot of hate for Atari on these boards... Atari is a "saving grace" for many people right now. They saved the Ghostbusters game from being squashed and they bought Cryptic. You have to think for a minute: why would Cryptic sell to Atari? Were they on the verge of going under? Probably not but without Atari's backing Cryptic may have had a hard time finishing the game. Did any of you Atari-haters think of that? That's what happened to Perpetual, they had two games going at the same time and couldn't afford to produce both.

[jhem99]

I reckon if Cryptic doesn't soon release a statement stating a release date some people might consider a MMO harakiri or seppuku.:eek:

[windncloud]

I hope to god this will come to England when they finally release this i'm getting so board of my current MMO = FFXI .... i want to be your Scotty !

[lutherd]

Gamespot is reporting that the Atari CEO "expects launch during the current fiscal year" which ends March 31, 2010.

Obviously not a firm date, but any news is welcomed at this point! :D

Link to Article (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6209711/atari-inc-ceo-talks-e3-no-show-star-trek-online-due-pre-april-2010)

[windncloud]

Gamespot is reporting that the Atari CEO "expects launch during the current fiscal year" which ends March 31, 2010.

Obviously not a firm date, but any news is welcomed at this point! :D

Link to Article (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6209711/atari-inc-ceo-talks-e3-no-show-star-trek-online-due-pre-april-2010)

yeah i heard that some where ....... been watching this site for about a year now hoping they will surprise me with a release date...... but TNA :S maybe i should email them saying iv promised every 1 in england they will be able to play it soon .... my life is in their hands !

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Im sure were looking at a christmas release lol

cant wait to get my hands on my ship

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Me and Grox working together will own in STO :D

Cant wait :)

[The.Grand.Nagus]

Gamespot is reporting that the Atari CEO "expects launch during the current fiscal year" which ends March 31, 2010.

Obviously not a firm date, but any news is welcomed at this point! :D

Link to Article (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6209711/atari-inc-ceo-talks-e3-no-show-star-trek-online-due-pre-april-2010)

Therein lies the rub. The Devs(or message board admins, at least) are saying "dont believe what you hear elsewhere", but their OWNERS(Atari) are saying the game will be out by March 2010. Who do you believe? The employees, or the bosses? You decide :o

[Kulnar]

Hey i Say The employees :P

[BlackSun17]

Therein lies the rub. The Devs(or message board admins, at least) are saying "dont believe what you hear elsewhere", but their OWNERS(Atari) are saying the game will be out by March 2010. Who do you believe? The employees, or the bosses? You decide :o

Any news from E3 yet?

[Jace791]

Gamespot is reporting that the Atari CEO "expects launch during the current fiscal year" which ends March 31, 2010.

Obviously not a firm date, but any news is welcomed at this point! :D

Link to Article (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6209711/atari-inc-ceo-talks-e3-no-show-star-trek-online-due-pre-april-2010)


That is the new from E3 here's the link: http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6209711/atari-inc-ceo-talks-e3-no-show-star-trek-online-due-pre-april-2010?tag=top_stories;title;10

[MaJiansen]

Actually, I went to Gamestop and was able to reserve a copy yesterday. I don't know if it's official, which probably isn't, as it's been clearly stated that such a date will be released on the site. At the same time though, the date I was given at Gamestop was Jan, 27, 2010. Like I said, it may not be and probably isn't the official release date, however, it's nice to know that I already have a copy reserved :cool:

[lutherd]

Therein lies the rub. The Devs(or message board admins, at least) are saying "dont believe what you hear elsewhere", but their OWNERS(Atari) are saying the game will be out by March 2010. Who do you believe? The employees, or the bosses? You decide :o

Well, the employees at Cryptic know where the development stands. But the honchos at Atari are the ones who have to be concerned with bottom line, customer retention, et cetera. I'm sure if the CEO of Atari says "we want this out by end of FY09" then it will find some way to be out by end of FY09. Deadlines have a way of providing motivation.

Actually, I went to Gamestop and was able to reserve a copy yesterday. I don't know if it's official, which probably isn't, as it's been clearly stated that such a date will be released on the site. At the same time though, the date I was given at Gamestop was Jan, 27, 2010. Like I said, it may not be and probably isn't the official release date, however, it's nice to know that I already have a copy reserved :cool:

That's probably Gamestop's estimate - they're usually pretty good at those things, but I've seen them adjusted before. I may have to stop by my local Gamestop this week and talk to them.

[xSpikex]

I just got through the business plan of Atari for this year and found a passage which says "the game will benefit from the new Star Trek film".

Maybe we can guess that this means the game will come out with the release of the DVD or Blu Ray at the End of 2009??

Its just a guess but who knows ...

[ehobbs4004]

I just got through the business plan of Atari for this year and found a passage which says "the game will benefit from the new Star Trek film".

Maybe we can guess that this means the game will come out with the release of the DVD or Blu Ray at the End of 2009??

Its just a guess but who knows ...


Not to coin a phrase or anything, but Make it so!

:D

[thefrayl]

I just got through the business plan of Atari for this year and found a passage which says "the game will benefit from the new Star Trek film".

Maybe we can guess that this means the game will come out with the release of the DVD or Blu Ray at the End of 2009??

Its just a guess but who knows ...

I'm going to guess that just means the game is going to benefit from the massive influx of people with a new found interest in Star Trek, thanks to the new movie...

I'd say that assumption will be correct.

...would be nice, though... as long as it isn't rushed. :D

[Alaktyrr]

I just got through the business plan of Atari for this year and found a passage which says "the game will benefit from the new Star Trek film".

Maybe we can guess that this means the game will come out with the release of the DVD or Blu Ray at the End of 2009??

Its just a guess but who knows ...
This was actually a thought I had while driving to the theater to watch the new movie, wouldn't a concurrent release be cool? But I would rather have a completed game than a cheesy marketing gimmick.

[DravenV]

I just want to play desparately bad. i've been looking forward to this for a long time.

[Jray132f]

I KNOW WHEN THE GAME COMES OUT WOOOOO JANUARY 31ST 2010 (occording to amazon.com you can pre-order the game from them also) WOOOOOOO

[Alteria]

Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but Amazon is wrong too often to be right. I remember pre-ordering starcraft II on Amazon. They ended up sending an email to everyone saying they canceled the pre-order since they were wrong about the date. The date came and it wen't. :D

I KNOW WHEN THE GAME COMES OUT WOOOOO JANUARY 31ST 2010 (occording to amazon.com you can pre-order the game from them also) WOOOOOOO

[LeoBeo]

i think by benefit is meant(right spelling?) that STO is something like a spin off because of the romulus and red matter thing. The inducement to buy is the possibility to continue the story that was introduced by the movie.

[jhem99]

Maybe if we all stopped posting in protest to no release date, maybe Crptic would leak out a rumour about the launch date?
:cool:

[m5xjr]

That said, Atari now OWNS Cryptic, so what they say (http://www.incgamers.com/News/16632/Star-Trek-Online-Expected-Release-Date-Revealed) carries just as much(if not more) weight as what Cryptic says :o

Here is what it says at the bottom of Atari's financial statement: :D

"Forward looking statements:
This press release contains forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations, business, strategy
and plans of Infogrames Entertainment, newly named Atari. Although Atari believes that such forward-looking statements are based on
reasonable assumptions, such statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from the forwardlooking
statements as a result of a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are outside Atari’s control, and notably some risks
described in the 2007/2008 Document de référence of the group filed by Infogrames Entertainment with the Autorité des marchés
financiers (French securities regulator) under number D.08-0577 and which is also available in English on Atari’s corporate web site
(www.corporate.atari.com). The present forward-looking statements are made as of the date of the present press release and Infogrames
disclaims any intention or obligation to provide, update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information,
future events or otherwise."

[treknerd]

Mods clarified that...

[Felconian]

I must admit... I am getting tired of following this game ... from the time it was announced and all the setback’s...it’s been a very unsteady ride to completion and I tend to think we are being kept on a line by the developers/Publishers.

We need to see more publicity going into this MMOG ... as I get the impression this community is being given scraps ...which I feel is undeserving.

Good luck... and I hope you manage to keep your target market engaged ... as for me ... and my friends ...we are losing interest and committing to other MMOG...

Regards

[jhem99]

I must admit... I am getting tired of following this game ... from the time it was announced and all the setback’s...it’s been a very unsteady ride to completion and I tend to think we are being kept on a line by the developers/Publishers.

We need to see more publicity going into this MMOG ... as I get the impression this community is being given scraps ...which I feel is undeserving.

Good luck... and I hope you manage to keep your target market engaged ... as for me ... and my friends ...we are losing interest and committing to other MMOG...

Regards

I'm tired too. The only excitement here is when someone new asks when the game will come out. Not even new screenshots excite me anymore. Only one thing will be interesting to hear.
Cheers ....:(

[lutherd]

I must admit... I am getting tired of following this game ... from the time it was announced and all the setback’s...it’s been a very unsteady ride to completion and I tend to think we are being kept on a line by the developers/Publishers.

We need to see more publicity going into this MMOG ... as I get the impression this community is being given scraps ...which I feel is undeserving.

Good luck... and I hope you manage to keep your target market engaged ... as for me ... and my friends ...we are losing interest and committing to other MMOG...

Regards

I, too, must admit that my interest is beginning to wane. Although I just recently joined the forumns, I've been looking at the site for over a year, and have been aware of the game since long before that. The cover story article in Game Informer magazine (which seems forever ago now) piqued my interest - but since then, there's been next to nothing from Cryptic. Not even an estimated release date nor a "status update."

People at Atari and Cryptic should remember what happened to Star Trek DS9: Dominion Wars. It sank Simon & Schuster when it came to Star Trek games. Delays in production and release cause many fans to simply refuse to wait - Activision swooped it and gobbled up most of the market at that point.

Now, it could be that I'm just being a stick in the mud. It's possible that Cryptic is putting together such a mind-blowing masterpiece that the wait will be well worth it (because Dominion Wars was definately not worth the wait). And I'm sure they're working hard and I wouldn't want to rush them (lest there be some horrible bugs in the thing when it's released). But there's still something to be said about keeping the fans happy... and years of waiting ain't quite doing it for me.

[ThosaH]

I must admit... I am getting tired of following this game ... from the time it was announced and all the setback’s...it’s been a very unsteady ride to completion and I tend to think we are being kept on a line by the developers/Publishers.

We need to see more publicity going into this MMOG ... as I get the impression this community is being given scraps ...which I feel is undeserving.

Good luck... and I hope you manage to keep your target market engaged ... as for me ... and my friends ...we are losing interest and committing to other MMOG...

Regards

this is your one and only post... did you join the forums JUST so you could tell everyone that you're not interested anymore? be a little less self-absorbed bub. the game isn't going to not-launch just because you're throwing a fit and just the same it's not going to launch any sooner because your ranting. the game developers and cryptic have a LOT invested into this game, they know it's going to be big, they know it's going to make a lot of money. but they want to get it right. they don't want to let people like you down, and in your disapointment quite.

they want the game to be everything you are expecting and hope it will be so you can have lots of fun playing it, and they can make lots of money. they can't make lots of money if the game isn't fun to play. so that's what they are doing right now, doing their best to make the game fun to play.

i will admit i myself would like to see more of their progress though. we are the community. we are the ones who are devoted to and helping to make the game a success through our enthusiasm and free advertising. we are doing a lot collectively to help promote the game. in return i think it's only fair to give some sort of weekly update or a "daily screenshot" or SOMETHING new, fairly frequently. i think most people will be less inclined to be disapointed if they can see some sort of progress towards the end. i think people are generally fine with not knowing where the end is, as long as they know that there IS an end and that there is reasonable progress made towards that end.

[Felconian]

Point taken... "Bud”... I don’t expect anyone to think I am any more important than the people who post regularly. But there many of us who just watch from a distance... browsing the forums... So I am not posting to be malicious...

But ... there is only so far enthusiasm alone will go before it becomes pessimism. You are right they most likely working on the perfect game ... but I might be dead by the time they release it for all I know? When you start having the same people posting on this forum and discussing everything else excluding the game then you should know that the community is tired and becoming distracted...

As things stand now investing my time in a MMOG...is exactly that... those of us who stick to a game are into character development in any MMOG...its why EVE-Online still has subscribers. STO They need to keep the community engaged.

Thanks for the replies...its the most action this forum has seen in weeks... but it does show that I am not the only "Unknown" out there becoming disillusioned...

Live long ... and prosper...

[lutherd]

this is your one and only post... did you join the forums JUST so you could tell everyone that you're not interested anymore? be a little less self-absorbed bub. the game isn't going to not-launch just because you're throwing a fit and just the same it's not going to launch any sooner because your ranting. the game developers and cryptic have a LOT invested into this game, they know it's going to be big, they know it's going to make a lot of money. but they want to get it right. they don't want to let people like you down, and in your disapointment quite.

they want the game to be everything you are expecting and hope it will be so you can have lots of fun playing it, and they can make lots of money. they can't make lots of money if the game isn't fun to play. so that's what they are doing right now, doing their best to make the game fun to play.

i will admit i myself would like to see more of their progress though. we are the community. we are the ones who are devoted to and helping to make the game a success through our enthusiasm and free advertising. we are doing a lot collectively to help promote the game. in return i think it's only fair to give some sort of weekly update or a "daily screenshot" or SOMETHING new, fairly frequently. i think most people will be less inclined to be disapointed if they can see some sort of progress towards the end. i think people are generally fine with not knowing where the end is, as long as they know that there IS an end and that there is reasonable progress made towards that end.

Dude, relax. Not all of us joined the forums the moment we first visited the website. I've been visiting the website for quite some time, and just recently joined the forumns. Additionally, not all of us have the spare time every day to post and post and post and post.

His point is, I think, shared to some degree by a lot of people. How many posts in these forums have dealt with perceved production delays or assumed release date pushbacks (whether true or not). The truth is no one (outside of Cryptic and Atari) really knows what is going on, and that's pretty frustrating to a good many would-be fans of this game. One can only "anxiously await" something for so long before the anxiousness wears off.

[ThosaH]

i am relaxed. the point of me mentioning his number of posts is that i felt it was a little unnerving that his only contribution to the forums thus far was to poo poo. i'm also smart enough to realize that he's smart enough to peruse through the threads and read what others have already discussed about the topic instead of stating the same questions as everyone else, which is why he hasn't felt a need to join the forums yet. but since he's been silent this whole time i think it would be a better use of his time creating an account on the forum if he tried to be constructive instead of saying what everyone else has said, that we're all tired of waiting without much update material. i went through the same stage of being excited about it and then i jumped into the forums and started talking about all sorts of great ideas and asking questions... and then i got burnt out because there were no significant updates from cryptic. they just recently started with the interviews which have been a big help but that is a slow process because there's a lot of things to do between taking our requests down on paper, and then getting back to us with an upload to the website. not to mention it takes a lot of time for the community relations to get a feel for what the most important questions are that the community is wanting answered at any given time, because it requires collective input from everyone and they have to sift through it all.

i think the fact that they are taking applications for beta testing is a very significant milestone though, and indicates that production is coming to an end. it could be a few months still before they start the actual beta testing, unless i'm mistaken and they already started it. but you can rest asured that, the BULK of the game is ready to go and they are putting the finishing touches on it.

i think a good plan for them to start on after launch would be to start up a discussion forum for people to post ideas of what would improve the game. (not re-invent it, such as changing PVP rules). but anyway that's putting the cart before the horse.

[cmhDK]

This is your mission:
the rules of acquisition
need to be rewritten for the next generation
that prefers rhymes over addition,
subtraction, and old school composition

Don't post a forum petition
just because your rhymes are missin’
the point of this contest
is to impress our judging coalition
Just respond to our request
and don't protest our decision

If you post your rap on youtube
and send it to our mail queue
the team will review what you
threw our way and if you make the grade
if you're weighed and measured
and serenade our treasured ears
we'll send you to our beta which may launch this year

But if you're camera shy
or don't see eye to eye with youtube's API
put your pencil to the paper and give your rhymes a try
You won't be disqualified
unless your flow is fried

well it may not be an exact date, but I for one view it as official ;)

[Promilleke]

Hi,

first of all I just found out of this game.. looks great to have a star trek online.

However Its not fully develped yet I see.
now can't they people of the board tell us how far they are in developing it .
like is it half way or not ?
Cause I see people waiting and posting this topic for over a year ...
so I would thik the game would be alost finished.

-promi

[cmhDK]

Hi,

first of all I just found out of this game.. looks great to have a star trek online.

However Its not fully develped yet I see.
now can't they people of the board tell us how far they are in developing it .
like is it half way or not ?
Cause I see people waiting and posting this topic for over a year ...
so I would thik the game would be alost finished.

-promi

normaly it takes 4-6 years to make an MMO, so normaly it would be far from finished
but cryptic did have most of the work already done before they got the license to make the game
that it.. they already had the game engine, wich cuts off a few years
but there's always bugs that need fixing, and you can never tell how long it's going to take to find them or fix them

[lutherd]

i am relaxed. the point of me mentioning his number of posts is that i felt it was a little unnerving that his only contribution to the forums thus far was to poo poo. i'm also smart enough to realize that he's smart enough to peruse through the threads and read what others have already discussed about the topic instead of stating the same questions as everyone else, which is why he hasn't felt a need to join the forums yet. but since he's been silent this whole time i think it would be a better use of his time creating an account on the forum if he tried to be constructive instead of saying what everyone else has said, that we're all tired of waiting without much update material. i went through the same stage of being excited about it and then i jumped into the forums and started talking about all sorts of great ideas and asking questions... and then i got burnt out because there were no significant updates from cryptic. they just recently started with the interviews which have been a big help but that is a slow process because there's a lot of things to do between taking our requests down on paper, and then getting back to us with an upload to the website. not to mention it takes a lot of time for the community relations to get a feel for what the most important questions are that the community is wanting answered at any given time, because it requires collective input from everyone and they have to sift through it all.

i think the fact that they are taking applications for beta testing is a very significant milestone though, and indicates that production is coming to an end. it could be a few months still before they start the actual beta testing, unless i'm mistaken and they already started it. but you can rest asured that, the BULK of the game is ready to go and they are putting the finishing touches on it.

i think a good plan for them to start on after launch would be to start up a discussion forum for people to post ideas of what would improve the game. (not re-invent it, such as changing PVP rules). but anyway that's putting the cart before the horse.

My complaint isn't so much about where the game is in its current development, it's that no one really knows for sure where it is. Every release from Cryptic is filled with words like "maybe" and "possibly" and "perhaps." I understand hedging ones bets as well as the next person, but sheesh. Give us at least an estimate here. Fall/Winter 2009, Spring/Summer 2010... something.

I'm sure we're all well aware that beta on a project this large will take some time. Several months, at least (I would imagine). But we were told when the game was announced that this was going to be a very quick build because Cryptic already had the infrastructure in place for MMOs - all that had to be done was build Star Trek content in an MMO format. They weren't building from scratch, they said. Since them, apparently mum has been the word from Cryptic. Even Atari releases more about the game than Cryptic (which I find odd for a number of reasons, chiefly that I would think Atari would want Cryptic to do the releases themselves - instead we rely on inuendos from the Atari CEO in interviews posted online).

I hope againt hope that when STO finally is released, I will be blown away by its completeness and beauty. Perhaps that is what is taking so long - but who knows....

Just a date, Cryptic. I just need a date....

[And just a post-script here. To qualify my anxiousness about the release date, there is, I think, a pretty good reason why I'm a tad more anxious than perhaps is rational - a rare degenerative vision disorder which will, it a relatively short period, render me functionally blind. I kinda want to play the game and have a lot of fun with it before that day arrives....]

[Vmann2485]

Yeah the sTO article in pcgamer has release date as July 2010 but I mean does it matter ,middle , late 2010 it's still a year and change away

[AdmiralWynn]

Yeah the sTO article in pcgamer has release date as July 2010 but I mean does it matter ,middle , late 2010 it's still a year and change away

As you can see in my sig, my last MMO game was AoC, and I was there the better part of a year building and leading a guild. It was the general consensus that AoC released too early, in that the endgame content was way thin. I'll never forget the hit AoC took when Warhammer released. 30% of my guild left the game to go check out the next Big New Thing in MMO gaming. And other guilds on my server caved in. People were bored, and ghost servers and disruptive, demoralizing mergers were the result.

When it was time for me to leave AoC earlier this year, I didn't think I'd have a lengthy vactaion from MMO gaming ahead. But so it has turned out... There is nothing out there for me. MMO gaming is addictive, and I've been cold turkey for almost half a year!

But... badly as I'd like to see STO launch, or just go into closed or open Beta, I think it's OK for Cryptic to take their time with this very special property. They have one chance to make this work. If they pull this off and make STO a truly immersive experience, I could be playing the game for years, based on my MMO history and deep love of the ST universe.

Despite reservations on a number of points about some of STO's direction and look (don't get me started here) I will buy the game. And if Cryptic can manage to hit a home run with this title by taking their time and getting it right, despite our collective discomfort, the delayed gratification will truly be worth it. And now that the Star Trek movie franchise has been brilliantly revived, the extra fan interest can't hurt either.

Such is my long-term hope for STO. And that sound you hear is my teeth grinding.

[Super_Goku]

Now dont hate me Or anything cryptic or People of the Boards. But For me Personally Ive been waiting for WAY LONGER than I should have been. Now I haven't been posting many posts, But I have been here scince perpetual dropped it ( I was a member of there boards too) I cant even remember how long ago that was. 3 years ago I believe?

Anyway to get to the point I believe a Release date boosts moral among the Fans because they Have an exact date in there minds, Instead of "Well they say its coming out soon but I dont know I might go play something else these forums are getting boring" It becomes "Well hey they told me when exactly its coming out and I think Ill stay around the forums because you know what thats not that far way at all! I CAN MAKE IT"

After 3 and a half years with no release date mentioned Im getting worried there wont be a release date mentioned. And Im not one to trust Atari, Ill trust the actual creators of the game to tell me when its coming out.

[cmhDK]

I don't think we'll get a release date before Beta has started because Cryptic doesn't want to push the date back once it's set

[The-Raver]

Good thread lets hope there's some official release dates soon then, lol. Now that would end the speculation altogether.

[Levry]

BU t we can dream of a early 2010 one, right?!? :P

[Capulet]

Feels like we will have warp capable ships before this MMO is done...common! :mad:

[Arcticfrost]

Feels like we will have warp capable ships before this MMO is done...common! :mad:

Lol STO is actually going to be one of the fastest released MMOs because they already had an engine to run it.

[Super_Goku]

Feels like we will have warp capable ships before this MMO is done...common! :mad:

god I hope so, then I can play STO, on the bridge of my NX-01 while klingons are attacking!!!!! Multitasking is FTW

[perfect_nosferatu]

i canna wait cap'n I just dinna have the power!

[Katana]

god I hope so, then I can play STO, on the bridge of my NX-01 while klingons are attacking!!!!! Multitasking is FTW

lmfao, maybe we can play some battlechess in ur Ready Room, if u dont mind to ask ur chief of engineering to install one more PC there :D

[Katana]

My complaint isn't so much about where the game is in its current development, it's that no one really knows for sure where it is. Every release from Cryptic is filled with words like "maybe" and "possibly" and "perhaps." I understand hedging ones bets as well as the next person, but sheesh. Give us at least an estimate here. Fall/Winter 2009, Spring/Summer 2010... something.

I'm sure we're all well aware that beta on a project this large will take some time. Several months, at least (I would imagine). But we were told when the game was announced that this was going to be a very quick build because Cryptic already had the infrastructure in place for MMOs - all that had to be done was build Star Trek content in an MMO format. They weren't building from scratch, they said. Since them, apparently mum has been the word from Cryptic. Even Atari releases more about the game than Cryptic (which I find odd for a number of reasons, chiefly that I would think Atari would want Cryptic to do the releases themselves - instead we rely on inuendos from the Atari CEO in interviews posted online).

I hope againt hope that when STO finally is released, I will be blown away by its completeness and beauty. Perhaps that is what is taking so long - but who knows....

Just a date, Cryptic. I just need a date....

[And just a post-script here. To qualify my anxiousness about the release date, there is, I think, a pretty good reason why I'm a tad more anxious than perhaps is rational - a rare degenerative vision disorder which will, it a relatively short period, render me functionally blind. I kinda want to play the game and have a lot of fun with it before that day arrives....]

i can put in my 2 cents here if u wish, which is: if it comes out this autumn/winter it will have the same start as AoC. If it comes out in spring/summer of 2010 ill be one of the few to make a pre-release purchase. Hope that hels u some...

[Nasty]

too many hard core fans to please to push out before its ready.

read a book or 2 in the meantime.

[Jevinie]

this game is now 2 years over due of its originally suspected release date... I beginning to treat its development as speculation....................:(

[bbosley]

is there an estimated release date that is unofficial, just to get an idea when to expect it to come out

[Tamgros]

is there an estimated release date that is unofficial, just to get an idea when to expect it to come out

An atari exect said it's on pace for this fiscal year. Atari's fiscal year ends March 31st, 2010. That's about as much as we have to go on. There are other reports that Cryptic is aiming for this holiday season release, but that is a little more shaky.

We'll see though :)

[Alaktyrr]

this game is now 2 years over due of its originally suspected release date... I beginning to treat its development as speculation....................:(That's mainly because the original company that was developing it, namely Perpetual Entertainment, didn't quite live up to it's name and went bankrupt in January of 2008. The license and art were transferred to Cryptic. So basically the development restarted then.

[SenatorPardek]

If the game doesnt come out sometime in 2010, expect its release to be delayed to coincide with the next motion picture release. That seems like something the brutal, corporate masters of Atari would do. But hey, as long as the game rocks, its all worth it in the end.

[jwood299]

They said "Sooner than you think..." They lied lol.

[Super_Goku]

lmfao, maybe we can play some battlechess in ur Ready Room, if u dont mind to ask ur chief of engineering to install one more PC there :D

Will do! lol :p

But in all seriousness I really do wish this game comes out soon. Nuff said :cool:

[Davies82]

I read just read this on the Gamespot website who got in touch with Atari, this might have already been mentioned.

"Champions Online is due out for the PC in September, and Atari revealed it will arrive for the Xbox 360 during the all-important October to December holiday quarter. Star Trek Online is still expected to launch by the end of Atari's fiscal year on March 31, 2010."

This kinda gives a rough estimate of whem STO MIGHT and i say MIGHT be coming out. If all goes to plan with development and everything we'll hopefully see STO launched on the PC before the end of March 2010.

For myself and other like me here on the forums who will be purchasing STO on Console (Hoping XBOX 360) As you can see from the comments about Champions Online we could possbily hope to see STO come out for console maybe and again i say maybe as these are all pure guesses around April to June 2010 timeframe.

Or the flip side might be and again this is a guess that STO for PC is launched in Sometime January 2010 and Console version released before the end of the fiscal year of March 31st 2010. If the console version of STO gets released in March of 2010 that would be awesome as it's my birthday in March, possible birthday present me thinks.

But from what you can gather from the quote above for champions in some ways might mimic STO as it's same game engine and both games are being developed for PC and Console.

Hope you guys like my theory of possible not exact release date but i would say, release timeframe.

Thanks for reading.

[Piewacket]

The real problem here is that the longer they take to release the game, the more educated and demanding the public game players become. There are now certain aspects of the older games that are no longer acceptable to the current game players. This is especially true with the WoW'ing of game play.You can see in the games that have been out 3 or 4 plus years, the changes fromt the origional game play that have happened because of WoW and the maturing of the game playing public.

My hope is that this game is not as complex as Star Wars was in the beginning, that the control of the ships and space battles are not as complex as Pirates is and that the need for in game money is not so great as to force the sellers to come into the game and start selling in game gold just so the casual players can complete w/ the hard core / no life players (different people, same result).

The last point is they need to make sure they don't pull as Star Wars and change the entire game mid stream on us because they decided way into the process that the game play is screwed.

All in all, they should try to get a longer closed beta and take feedback from the gammers who have been around in these reguards so the game, when released, is not a game that doesn't last years for us players.

[Levry]

Always frustrating when you want it out now. I keep telling myself with as much input and involvement the developers give and how they seem to be genuine with taking the communities input into development that once it is ready for launch, should be a great game with lots of content that should keep a community interested for a very long time.

[jdherg66]

I'm quitting World of Warcraft for Star Trek! Too many ******s in that game. I wonder how close we are to release date!

[Vmann2485]

sometime in middle 010 is my guess but dont rush things. good things come to those that wait right

[Bulwark]

I can't seem to find the reference anymore, but earlier it was said that STO would be playable on PC and next gen consoles (assuming 360 AND PS3). Also that they didn't see any reason why both PC and console versions could not occupy the same servers. That said, it would be nice to see a simultaneous release on all platforms.

[jhem99]

Will there ev:confused be an official release date in our lifetime?:confused:

[Triforcer]

What they said to investors is more official and more solid than anything they could ever hope to say here. You don't mess around with investors. Sure, it could still change, but they would've have said that if it wasn't the honest plan.

[CaptEdward]

I'm trying to wait, but, I'm chewing through pure nutrium! :eek:

[jhem99]

Is there an unofficial release date?:confused:

[Zapp_Brannigan]

Of course not. It's ONLY been 5 years afterall.

[CptCody]

Yeah, I love cryptic and I love Atari. I think they are doing some really nice stuff and I feel they are paying a lot of attention to detail when it comes to this game. I'm sure it will be great and I'm happy they are going to try to do it the right way first. If the game came out and really wasn't ready to, I think I would toss my hat in and not bother waiting for them to fix any major bugs. I have been following this game long long long before cryptic ever got the license. 5 years of checking everyday, same goes for when the game was canceled for a couple months. I freaked out! Then cryptic took over. I need some type of release date, something! Maybe a time machine to jump into 2010. That's it! I'm applying to cryptic tomorrow! hahaha, maybe they need a janitor or something. I'm still saving up my vacations days for the release, and boy oh boy do I need a vacation!

[Katana]

Yeah, I love cryptic and I love Atari. I think they are doing some really nice stuff and I feel they are paying a lot of attention to detail when it comes to this game. I'm sure it will be great and I'm happy they are going to try to do it the right way first. If the game came out and really wasn't ready to, I think I would toss my hat in and not bother waiting for them to fix any major bugs. I have been following this game long long long before cryptic ever got the license. 5 years of checking everyday, same goes for when the game was canceled for a couple months. I freaked out! Then cryptic took over. I need some type of release date, something! Maybe a time machine to jump into 2010. That's it! I'm applying to cryptic tomorrow! hahaha, maybe they need a janitor or something. I'm still saving up my vacations days for the release, and boy oh boy do I need a vacation!

lmao. at least u can save them. i work in education and i cant save any days at all. i do have 11,5 weeks off / year, but not one day when I want to :S

[akechisolo]

Hopefully we'll hear something after the summer. Some kind of indication of when we'll see the game would be great.

[MorganL4]

That said, Atari now OWNS Cryptic, so what they say (http://www.incgamers.com/News/16632/Star-Trek-Online-Expected-Release-Date-Revealed) carries just as much(if not more) weight as what Cryptic says :o

um yeah, but if you read the press release in full, you will see that the Jan 31st date is the date Cryptic has to meet if they want a bonus, I just hope that if they feel the game is not ready yet they fore go the bonus in favor of a better, more well rounded game.

[jhem99]

I like grapes. You like grapes?

[sam242424]

i think this game will be relesed in 12moths

[sam242424]

who cares about reles dates

[Phlashman]

I guessed following the "HUGE" success of the movie someone would get a bit more "fire" under their pants to get this thing rolling. Due in no smart part to the un-23rd century motivation of financial reward. Having Atari involved may expedite the process. However, being involved with software for over 20 years has taught me one thing. To do it right takes a hellofa lot of time. I hope the delay has been more that rather than corporate pong.

Note to Cryptic:

"Get her done guys, I just convinced my wife to get cable primarily to play STO! :D

[erriku]

who cares about reles dates

The people that want to play the game asap.

[Abc123z2]

The people that want to play the game asap.

lol it's funny cause it's true :D

[jhem99]

"Get her done guys, I just convinced my wife to get cable primarily to play STO! :D

What lengths people go to to be able to play this game. I wonder if everyone at Crptic'll be a millionare after a couple of years?

[Marytha]

Wait! There's more coming? I thought yelling at people on the forums -was- the game! Coooool

Marytha

[jhem99]

Website going down for maintenance for three hours.
I'm all tingly.
Could it be Beta (gamma) announcement is imminent?:)

[ndat]

^ Possibly, or it might be that they need to do some maintenance LOL. I hope it's for the reason you mentioned though.

[Phlashman]

What lengths people go to to be able to play this game. I wonder if everyone at Crptic'll be a millionare after a couple of years?


Just "sad" ain't it...:D

[Rynar123]

I was just looking on amazon and they have a release date of Jan. 31 2010. That would be real nice if they kept to that; late x-mas present.

[Golic]

this game is now 2 years over due of its originally suspected release date... I beginning to treat its development as speculation....................:(

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHA
Sorry I couldn't control myself.
The first release date was set for 2004 Im pretty sure. Of course that was under a differenent developer.

[rp2009]

Hi all, new user here.
I saw this game at mmorpg.com and come here to check it out, so far the screenshots look promisiong, and I love sci-fy, even if I'm not the biggest star trek fan, I really like the space portion of it.

I see the game doesn't have a release date yet, but I would like to know, how long has it been under development. I ask this because if its a long time (4 yesrs or something) it may well come out next year, if its less time, then a long wait is still ahead.

Cya all.

[Sarile]

my prediction? December 2010.

Live Long and Prosper

[ern88]

Well, after how many years in DEV and Company changes. Who knows. I wish they would tell us already. I've been waiting for years for this thing to come out. I hope that the game lives up to all the hype and that when IT IS RELEASED. I hope that it's nearly flawless with little bugs. But Cryptic is living up to its name. It is very CRYPTIC ON THE RELEASE DATE. Can we please have some kind of date???

[Tokyo007]

I was just looking on amazon and they have a release date of Jan. 31 2010. That would be real nice if they kept to that; late x-mas present.

I foresee a release date that coincides within 3 weeks of the release of the DVD. It's the logical thing to do.

[lutherd]

What drives me nuts is not just the black hole of silence on the issue we all seem to be slowly sucked into, it's the either suble hints that Cryptic isn't anywhere near external beta or release or that they're so close (meaning they're so busy) that they haven't had time to update various parts of the STO world.

For instance, read the FAQ section on the main website. Pay particular attention to "Will there be a Beta Test?" question. Would anyone like to share with the class what Cryptics answer is? No one? Well, then here is their answer to that question:

"The game’s alpha and beta preview programs have not yet begun. When we announce the start of these previews, that information will be posted at the official Star Trek Online website, http://www.startrekonline.com ."

I would have hoped in the grand scheme of development, that Cryptic had progressed past Alpha Testing. And based on some interviews, I had assumed they had. It could be that they're just not updating the FAQ's. Or..... perish the thought.

[Felconian]

Cryptic will no longer be releasing the STO ... there lead developer has been ... Assimilated by the BORG .... Now we can all go home!

[Billy_Guile]

I'll take, "IDK Already" for 2,000, Alex.

Alex: "Said to be the release date for STO."

Me: "How redundant..." *sigh*

[jhem99]

Every time they play it internally, they find loopholes and errors that takes them 2 steps backward. One week they take a step, one day drives them back 2 steps.:(

[Billy_Guile]

Every time they play it internally, they find loopholes and errors that takes them 2 steps backward. One week they take a step, one day drives them back 2 steps.:(


all in the name of progress. its all good

[Bazerk83]

I'm personally quite happy to wait for as long as it takes to develop this game the way Star Trek fans and Cryptic invision it should be made. This game is going to absolutely blow all other Star Trek games out of the water.

This is something that shouldn't be rushed, as the Borg would say, perfection is the ultimate goal.

[Messer_Macheath]

I'll take, "IDK Already" for 2,000, Alex.

Alex: "Said to be the release date for STO."

Me: "How redundant..." *sigh*

Alex: Please answer in the form of a question.

-Macheath.

[Dooley422]

Well, after how many years in DEV and Company changes. Who knows. I wish they would tell us already. I've been waiting for years for this thing to come out. I hope that the game lives up to all the hype and that when IT IS RELEASED. I hope that it's nearly flawless with little bugs. But Cryptic is living up to its name. It is very CRYPTIC ON THE RELEASE DATE. Can we please have some kind of date??? I AGREE 1000%

[nimrod98]

Gamestop says pre-order ships Jan 26, 2010?

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=73923

[k262007]

On the thread "Everything we know about STO" it says "Atari aims to release the game during or prior to the first quarter of 2010. [GS2] [CPR]", is that not a expected release date?

[jhem99]

Oh, wherefore art thou, STO?

[tmjohn72]

The release date on Amazon.com says March 31, 2010.

Of course, they could have just asked for an average date. I agree with the previous posts: I want the game to be done correctly and can deal with waiting for an awesome game. It sucks, but it's necessary.

I'd rather wait six extra months to not have see-through walls when I get too close, or find myself stuck inside another ship and not be able to get out. It'll make the experience that much better.

[Jean-Luc]

According to Gamestop.com, Star Trek online will be shipped starting from 1/26/2010.

Check it out:

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=star%20trek%20online

[keozen]

Interesting.

Although Gamestop also took pre-orders for Duke Nukem Forever.

Believe what you wish to.

[Keldaria]

there isn't an official release date untill they announce it here.

Gamestop just puts a date into their system in order to generate preorders

[Jean-Luc]

I agree with you. I'm just wondering why StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty on Gamestop.com as no due date (it should be released by the end of the year).

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=65548

According to your speculation 'Gamestop just puts a date into their system in order to generate preorders'...

Maybe...

[Loekii]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:
Originally Posted by Zinc
We've said it before, I'll say it again - you will know HERE when the official release date is before anywhere else!

Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation.

This sticky brought to you by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Tribbles.

Gamestop and other stores use place holder dates. They never have the 'official' date posted before the Developers announce it.

[DoctorOak]

I find it amazing that people still don't realise that such obviously made up dates (always at the start or end of a month - always an arbitrary month) are simply estimates used as placeholders so the game can go on the system for pre-orders.

This practice has been going on for about a decade now - one would think people would catch on.

[Jean-Luc]

I see... so no big news!

BTW I will submit the pre-order :o

[Loekii]

If I get STO, I will be looking to get it via Digidownload or Steam.

[KL0k]

yeah, they are placeholders... and sometimes they only insert a expected releasedate to count the pre-orders, so they get an idea of how many copies they'll need when it launches, so that they dont sit on a bunch of boxes.

anyways... steam would be kinda cool tho, due to the stable plattform and friendslist and all that. (but if the game comes on the xbox aswell, this game might get the windowslive thingy)

[Peregrine_Falcon]

When I read the subject line I thought: "Wow! Is he saying that if I pre-order before January 26th that I'll get to have a special starship that only comes with the pre-order package?"

Needless to say I was a bit disappointed by the actual post.

For those of you that aren't familiar with MMOs (please ignore the rest of this post if you are) there's no way that Star Trek Online will ship in January 2010, unless:

1) The game ships broken and sucktastic

OR:

2) STO enters closed beta today


Other than that, it ain't happening.

[keozen]

When I read the subject line I thought: "Wow! Is he saying that if I pre-order before January 26th that I'll get to have a special starship that only comes with the pre-order package?".

I had the exact same thought for a second.

[raldar]

According to your speculation 'Gamestop just puts a date into their system in order to generate preorders'...

Maybe...

That's exactly what they do.

[Beef]

It is really taking a long time 4 STO to come out, isn't it?

[justynhuculak]

2) STO enters closed beta today




Hey, you never know. It could happen. If Cryptic chooses not to tell us, we'd never be the wiser (people in the Beta aren't allowed to tell people that they are in the Beta, as it violates the NDA. Closed Beta is like the ultimate Fight Club... except all 8 rules are that you do not talk about Closed STO Beta :D )

Oh noes, I just broke rules 1 and 2! :X

[Zepath]

I dunno ... with their engine already being solid, the majority of their team is just adding content at this point, while the rest finish nailing down the STO unique system. They could go into closed beta in a few weeks (they could be in friends and family beta now, we wouldn't know) and still make a January date.

I tend to think the game is going to release more in the Q2 or Q3 time frame. They are going to be at least that late with CO, and they didn't have a game launch in the middle of that development cycle.

I realize that the STO team and CO team are two different groups ... but don't kid yourself, the execs are the same and right now they are focused on CO ... and if they need an artist, or a DB guy, or senior programmer for a problem in CO ... they will not hesitate to pull him off STO for a few days or weeks. That's the strength of being a large organization.

[Captain_Intrepid]

It is really taking a long time 4 STO to come out, isn't it?

Hmmm, what do you mean by that?

Perhaps one expects a game to be out within a year of it's being announced?

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/65

Or perhaps one thinks that Perpetual's remnants were something that was carried on and taking ages since Perpetual announced their version STO years ago?

[marscentral]

I wish I could go to all the stores offering a preorder date and give them all a slap.

It is really taking a long time 4 STO to come out, isn't it?

Not really. The official announcement was just under a year ago and Cryptic only started development a few months (I forget how many) before that.

[Zepath]

I wish I could go to all the stores offering a preorder date and give them all a slap.


I'm with you ... it should be 'TBA' until the publisher actually gives them a date.

But as it is typical, when its known the game is in beta (and we'll know), and all the stores start using the same date ... then, and only then, can you be confident that is the date the publishers is pushing the developers to hit.

It still doesn't mean they will make that date.

[Vorador]

Seems like every week someone posts the release date on Gamestop.

[buzz12]

Untill dev comes in too this thread. the release is not true. gamestop puts dates on computer so people pre order a game. so they can have a head up on release day. How many copys to get from that game company.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=21050

[Kinjiru]

If I get STO, I will be looking to get it via Digidownload or Steam.

Me too. I like to have it on day one, without running around from store to store. :)

[WinterPark1701]

According to Gamestop.com, Star Trek online will be shipped starting from 1/26/2010.

Check it out:

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=star%20trek%20online

hey, my 27th Birthday. Cool...

[KO_Gilligan]

Interesting.

Although Gamestop also took pre-orders for Duke Nukem Forever.

Believe what you wish to.

I'm still following DNF development on a forum that everyone was expecting to go down a while back.

It'll be back once all the legal wranglings are over. Hopefully they won't switch engines :D .... again :D ... we knew something was up when after some special meetings george twittered "no" and things went virtually quiet until the closing.

[Silverspar]

I wouldn't say the don't tell you are in beta rule is an NDA violation, however it is a suggestion because it tempts otehrs to ask millions of questions you can't possibly answer.

[LordDave]

I'm with you ... it should be 'TBA' until the publisher actually gives them a date.

But as it is typical, when its known the game is in beta (and we'll know), and all the stores start using the same date ... then, and only then, can you be confident that is the date the publishers is pushing the developers to hit.

It still doesn't mean they will make that date.

Yeah but TBA is shown to cause people to wait until they pre-order. A date, even a wrong one, is likely to get a pre-order. Once you get that, most people don't retract it.

I, however, Do.
Stupid Star Craft 2. I pre-ordered when it was CALLED Star Craft 2. Canceled when the name was changed and the "release date" was pushed back another 6 months. I'll buy it from blizzard store.

[cwegner]

Better hope they don't wait too long. Too many times I see people say "oh I don't mind waiting if it means the game turns out better" only to see th company making it run out of money or get bought out by some other company.

[Peregrine_Falcon]

Hey, you never know. It could happen. If Cryptic chooses not to tell us, we'd never be the wiser (people in the Beta aren't allowed to tell people that they are in the Beta, as it violates the NDA. Closed Beta is like the ultimate Fight Club... except all 8 rules are that you do not talk about Closed STO Beta :D )

Oh noes, I just broke rules 1 and 2! :X
You're kidding yourself if you honestly believe that STO could enter closed beta without us knowning about it. When STO goes into closed beta that fact will be all over the internet even if (for some odd reason) Cryptic decided to not tell anyone.

Besides, announcing that their game is in closed beta will be good publicity for the game, so you can bet money that Cryptic will announce it.

[Kavarian]

Does anyone at cryptic have any idea on when we may expect them to tell us the release date yet? People are getting anxious!;)

[Beaver8]

Nope, we have not been told anything.

[Varsocona]

At the current release of information, I would guess at mid 2011. The game has not entered Beta yet, and that is usually when Developers can give you the quarter that it will come out in. But honestly, MMOs are the biggest of game projects and take years to make properly.. they also have a nasty habit of delaying the release date as there are so many factors involved in making the game that any one small part can set back the whole project.. Basically, it isn't time to get anxious yet, it's still far away.

End Personal Log.

[ransomwk]

Some big wig at Atari claimed 1Q FY10, which suggests march 2010. So it's somewhat expected that Atari will be pushing for release somewhere around there whether the game is ready or not. I think cryptic also once mentioned having a rather tight schedule, I think they used the term "aggressive" to describe it.

[USS_Parallax]

I'd doubt it would come out this year. They don't seem far along enough. Heck, I'm starting to doubt it'll come by even March. Maybe next summer. Hopefully I'm dead wrong. :(

[Marko_Ramius]

Well I think the longer it's still in development, the better it'll be when it DOES come out.

[Telinous]

Well I think the longer it's still in development, the better it'll be when it DOES come out.

Sadly not always so, and sometimes games that are rushed out are extremely good despite the defects. I just hope they include a truly broad range of play options, everything from combat to exploration and actual diplomatic relations and such. Im so tired of the damn xp grind in all other MMOs heck even EVE online was broken down into only a handful of ways to play, and hardly any of them required tact.

[jfolds1]

I'm not preordering till a collectors edition shows up

and then i'll order 2 !

;)

[justynhuculak]

You're kidding yourself if you honestly believe that STO could enter closed beta without us knowning about it. When STO goes into closed beta that fact will be all over the internet even if (for some odd reason) Cryptic decided to not tell anyone.


Actually, NDAs are fairly specific in their scope. Non-disclosure means exactly and purely that. Non-disclosure of anything regarding the beta, including your participation in it.

I never said that Cryptic wouldn't announce it, because I agree with you in that it would be a big morale boost to everyone following the game, as it means the game is one step closer to launch. What I said is that if Cryptic chose not to announce it, and their NDA stipulated that you could not tell people that you were in the beta until the beta is over (which is often the case), nobody would know, unless someone decided to breach their NDA, which is a bad idea for so many reasons I won't even go into all of them here.

[USS_Parallax]

I'm still waiting on that GameCube Donkey Kong Racing preorder. Think the selling of Rare is the cause for delay?

[Xenoshaft]

OK I was reading some internet news and found this artical listed at the bottom of my post...

It indicates STO maybe launched on or before. March 31, 2010. ( or after :mad:)
So if it follows suit with most MMO's it will come out in april or june. I know the devs say they will let us know when they know- but it is still a business and they have to have some projection. If nothing else at least you might find this interesting.

__________________________________________________ _________________________________
Massive "transformation" costs send publisher into red despite annual revenue increase, much-touted president moves to nonexecutive role; unnamed projects canceled; Champions Online hitting Xbox 360 during holidays.

It has been a turbulent few years for the various incarnations of Atari, with its American arm battling with stock-market delistings before being folded into parent company Infogrames last year. After the reorganization, the company continued to bleed cash despite a recent uptick in revenue.



Why so serious?

Things looked to be turning around for the publisher when former Sony Worldwide Studios head Phil Harrison came on board as Infogrames president. Along with new CEO David Gardner, Harrison declared that the company wanted to "stop losing money" and that it was to increase its focus on online and social games. Then, in a dramatic move, it acquired Cryptic Studios, developer of the massively multiplayer online role-playing games Champions Online and Star Trek Online at the end of last year.

The company's recovery seems to be progressing slowly, though. Today, Infogrames reported its full-year results for the 2008/2009 financial year and also announced it was changing its name to Atari. Unfortunately, it also revealed a massive annual net loss of €226.1 million ($319.5 million, £197.7 million). The company pinned the massive shortfall--up from 2007/2008's €55.1 million ($77.7 million, £48.2 million) loss--on one-time costs relating to the firm's "transformation." These included €13.9 million ($19.6 million, £12.1 million) of restructuring charges and a €40.3 million ($56.9 million, £35.2 million) impairment of goodwill charge. Once those are disregarded, Atari posted an adjusted net loss of €50.2 million ($70.3 million, £43.9 million).

Ironically, revenues were up significantly year on year, with the company bringing in €136.4 million ($192.4 million, £119.1 million) during 2008/2009, compared to €90.3 million ($127.4 million, £78.9 million) in 2007/2008. Broken down by platform, the Xbox 360 was responsible for more than a quarter of the firm's income last year. The year prior, it was the DS, which led the charge, bringing in almost a third of the firm's revenue. PC titles accounted for 22 percent of the firm's revenues in 2009/2009, followed by the Wii and DS with 15 percent each, followed by the PlayStation 3 (12 percent), PlayStation 2 (8 percent) and PSP (2 percent).

Looking ahead to the 2009/2010 fiscal year, Atari is making some drastic changes. Not only is it shifting primary business operations to the US, but it is also shaking up its management. After taking the presidency to much fanfare just over a year ago, Harrison is stepping down, assuming the role of nonexecutive Director of the Group where "he will continue to assist, support and guide the company's strategy." Board member Jeff Lapin--former CEO of both THQ and Take-Two Interactive--is taking the position of chief operating officer under CEO David Gardner.

Games-wise, Atari made the ominous announcement that it "has cancelled projects which do not meet higher return on investment criteria and require significant working capital investments." No specific games were mentioned. More positively, it touted its lineup for the year, including the recently released Chronicles of Riddick and Ghostbusters: The Video Game, due out next month. Champions Online is due out for the PC in September, and Atari revealed it will arrive for the Xbox 360 during the all-important October to December holiday quarter. Star Trek Online is still expected to launch by the end of Atari's fiscal year on March 31, 2010.

[Anichent]

Im pretty sure that date is the lastest possible date.

Its not the date,

You will not find a date released anywhere before we on the forums find out

[TheMasterpiece]

this is an article reporting atari says STO should be out within that fiscal quarter (ENDING march 31)

There is no real information here.

[Xenoshaft]

this is an article reporting atari says STO should be out within that fiscal quarter (ENDING march 31)

There is no real information here.

OK you guys can get mad that I found something cool and posted it up. I think the artical had tons of neat info- I want the game to be out today!! And i know we will find out HERE first- I just was reading something... I saw a referance to something all of us here wonder about, and i figured i would share it.

[BalzOnYer4Head]

So we only have to wait a mere 6 or 8 months. Remember when it looked like we weren't going to see it at all?
;)

[Xenoshaft]

So we only have to wait a mere 6 or 8 months. Remember when it looked like we weren't going to see it at all?
;)

Just what I was thinking, thats why I linked it!

[AdmGillis]

Guys, just be prepared to receive almost NO information until after September 1st. With Champions Online releasing that day, there's no way that any info is getting released by STO during their ramp up.

It's good marketing. On one hand, they are diverting marketing resources from STO to CO in order to have a huge release. On the other hand, they sure as hell don't want STO stealing any of CO's thunder with information of its own.

Just be prepared to get a HUGE info dump in September.

[Beaver8]

OK you guys can get mad that I found something cool and posted it up. I think the artical had tons of neat info- I want the game to be out today!! And i know we will find out HERE first- I just was reading something... I saw a referance to something all of us here wonder about, and i figured i would share it.

We always appreciate information. Thank you. It doesn't matter that it has already been discussed, what matters is the people who are trying to help like you and trying to spread information to people incase they may have missed it.

[Zepath]

OK you guys can get mad that I found something cool and posted it up. I think the artical had tons of neat info- I want the game to be out today!! And i know we will find out HERE first- I just was reading something... I saw a referance to something all of us here wonder about, and i figured i would share it.

No one is jumping on you. :eek:

They are simply pointing out that there is nothing concrete about that release date for STO. Annual reports are just as much about "selling" the company to potential stock holders as it is about releasing the information required by the SCC.

Now, if they said something like "Star Trek Online will release on March 20th of 2010" ... people would be getting excited. But as it is, it could still not release till Dec of 2010 and there'd be no harm, no foul, with the annual report.

[Azurit]

OK I was reading some internet news and found this artical listed at the bottom of my post...

It indicates STO maybe launched on or before. March 31, 2010. ( or after :mad:)


As I said in another topic I don't think that this will be the release date. Most MMOs have a beta of around 6 Month, the beta has not started yet and there are too many Interviews where they say that something is not developed yet. For example in the last "Ask cryptic" they told this about the subsystem targeting and destroying. This means the combat system is not finished yet, they could not test how the combat will be, this means they could not even begin to balance classes, bos, skill trees, special abilitys, items etc.

Maybe I am wrong and they are realy fast at developing. But to me it sounds further away then 6-8 months.

[Kuhr]

This info sounds good.....

[saint100]

Thanks for posting, that seems likely. Its not going to be ready before Christmas, no chance of being launched in January, February maybe, March - pretty much what I'm hoping for!

[7of9]

This "No official release date" isn't looking good at all.

I understand that's it's too early to comit to an exact date. But not giving any information at all is worying me. By now you should already know internally when approximativelly the game will launch. So what's preventing you to say for example "Release in 2010", or anything like this.

Without any information, I have a strong feeling this is all Vaporware, and at some time it will all go bust.

[Kharmapup]

I have been following STO snce Perpetual had it and have been a member since Cryptic took over and ropened the site, but this will be my very first post. I tend to read forumposts but in general do not do alot of posting. That said, I thought it was time to post my thoughts for STO.

I have been a follower of another Onlne Game called Myst Onlie:URU Live, so I know what it means to wait for long periods of time. URU has closed and reopened several times and we are now waiting for open source to be released. That siad, I wonder how long are we suppossed to wait without some hint or approximate date of release. As was stated previously by 7of9, by now they should already know internally when approximativelly the game will launch. I don't mean to be negative in my first post but I wanted to speak my peace.

[LordDave]

This "No official release date" isn't looking good at all.

I understand that's it's too early to comit to an exact date. But not giving any information at all is worying me. By now you should already know internally when approximativelly the game will launch. So what's preventing you to say for example "Release in 2010", or anything like this.

Without any information, I have a strong feeling this is all Vaporware, and at some time it will all go bust.

I have been following STO snce Perpetual had it and have been a member since Cryptic took over and ropened the site, but this will be my very first post. I tend to read forumposts but in general do not do alot of posting. That said, I thought it was time to post my thoughts for STO.

I have been a follower of another Onlne Game called Myst Onlie:URU Live, so I know what it means to wait for long periods of time. URU has closed and reopened several times and we are now waiting for open source to be released. That siad, I wonder how long are we suppossed to wait without some hint or approximate date of release. As was stated previously by 7of9, by now they should already know internally when approximativelly the game will launch. I don't mean to be negative in my first post but I wanted to speak my peace.

Did you guys know that they already KNOW internally?
Watch the web video from last year. They know full well the target date. And as of May, they were still on target for a Fall 2009 release.

[Enlaw]

Of course they know "internally" when they AIM to release it. Kinda need to set goals to get people motivated and meet deadlines, ya know? As for 'No official release date' equating bad news... I disagree. First, if they release a quality MMO that took less than 3 years to complete, I'll be REALLY amazed and impressed. If they release a FUNCTIONAL, reasonably playable MMO that took less than 3 years, I'll be somewhat impressed, but suspect that gameplay will suffer greatly. "No Official Release" date is a common industry term now. It doesn't mean "It'll likely NEVER see the light of day", nor does it mean "Could be 3 years, could be 10 *shrug*". It generally means, "We have a rough target for a release date, but rather than hear all you fans whine and moan if we announce it, then delay it, we'll listen yo you whine and moan that we are keeping it secret until we meet certain performance targets in Beta."

Why are SO many people always so quick to assume the worst? Pessimists!

[Terra_Blade]

Of course they know "internally" when they AIM to release it. Kinda need to set goals to get people motivated and meet deadlines, ya know? As for 'No official release date' equating bad news... I disagree. First, if they release a quality MMO that took less than 3 years to complete, I'll be REALLY amazed and impressed. If they release a FUNCTIONAL, reasonably playable MMO that took less than 3 years, I'll be somewhat impressed, but suspect that gameplay will suffer greatly. "No Official Release" date is a common industry term now. It doesn't mean "It'll likely NEVER see the light of day", nor does it mean "Could be 3 years, could be 10 *shrug*". It generally means, "We have a rough target for a release date, but rather than hear all you fans whine and moan if we announce it, then delay it, we'll listen yo you whine and moan that we are keeping it secret until we meet certain performance targets in Beta."

Why are SO many people always so quick to assume the worst? Pessimists!

Because gamers are impatient. Though I think you hit the nail on the head.

[camrun]

December holiday quarter. Star Trek Online is still expected to launch by the end of Atari's fiscal year on March 31, 2010.

Hmm, I wonder why people are responding to this with the mindset of information about release showing up here first.

I would tend to trust financial health info about a company. ie Atari having to declare to its investors when revenue will start (ie release date) and how much more R&D cash will be required to get there. I am likely to believe the date above.

[Kranon]

My friend has stopped caring about this game because of the lack of a release date. I don't blame him but I think having something firm to look forward to would be a better course of action than not telling us. Even if it is March 31, 2010 (as amazon.com currently lists as the date) ... just SOMETHING so we are not squirming in our seats.

[ananas]

I*m also starting to think that this will never come out. Sad to say but this seems to be true.

[xSpikex]

Hi!

Maybe I missed something, but currently there is no Beta of STO announced and as I saw at other MMO's the Beta phase lasts about 6 month before release, I can't hardly believe we will see STO in 2009. Regarding to Ataris financial report, the release of the film Star Trek 11 should have an impact on sales for STO. The release of the Blu-Ray and DVD Version of the film is at Amazon dated with 30th Dec. 2009. I assume the release of the game will be sometime in Jannuray 2010. As it is not so far away from March 2010.

greets

Spike

[JadenStriker]

With how normal games are now days, and the need for extreme beta testing, setting a release date would be an act of insanity.

And STO isn't a normal game either. It is a "Massive" Multiplayer, with both Ground and Space game play.

What ever you do, don't ask a Vulcan to guess a Release date. They will answer with far more logic then I have. Oh by the way, if anyone is crazy enough to do so, this case I am carrying does hold a phaser for you to borrow, should the Vulcan logic, "INSPIRE!" an emotional reaction!

[gidgiddonihah]

Im not sure that this is right but i have heard that it would be realeased sometime next year. (May or June) But like i said i dont know if this is true or not.

[pguyton]

I'd rather the polish it until it shines; as long as they have the beta (NDA or no) so we know they are making progress (and it's more than just screenshot to the press)

[ussawsomeness]

I'd rather the polish it until it shines; as long as they have the beta (NDA or no) so we know they are making progress (and it's more than just screenshot to the press)

y'know, from the trailer it looks like it's pretty much done. I don't know what else you have to add to it, really. :confused:

[IanD967]

y'know, from the trailer it looks like it's pretty much done. I don't know what else you have to add to it, really. :confused:

alot more :) that is just a sample and doesnt show the bugs hehe

plus, your username must be a real puzzle in itself to remember each time when you log in :confused: why go for something that long??

[ussawsomeness]

I*m also starting to think that this will never come out. Sad to say but this seems to be true.

I actually agree. kinda. I'm not sure if it will come out or not. :eek:

[ussawsomeness]

alot more :) that is just a sample and doesnt show the bugs hehe

plus, your username must be a real puzzle in itself to remember each time when you log in :confused: why go for something that long??

oh, it is!

[Terra_Blade]

My friend has stopped caring about this game because of the lack of a release date. I don't blame him but I think having something firm to look forward to would be a better course of action than not telling us. Even if it is March 31, 2010 (as amazon.com currently lists as the date) ... just SOMETHING so we are not squirming in our seats.

Did anyone else try Vanguard at launch? It was a rushed game, and half of the stuff was broken or imbalanced. Now personally? I would rather have a game like this done right, which means if they have to release it late next year or even spring of 2011 then I say let them do it.

I want to have a star trek game that actually is fun, not the crud that has the logo slapped on it that we have been getting the last few decades. So give them a chance, I doubt they would spend so much time talking to us and explaining how they plan to do things if this was doomed to vaporware.

[Ceodragon]

To everyone who cant wait remember MxO that game had such potential but it failed on an epic scale as far as gameplay and combat. i say let them get it right, alot of games with this much hype have sucked. Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, and RO Online all of which suck.

[maltzenburgerz]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:


Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation.

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[HamishUK]

The Beta / CO post states the Closed Beta for STO will be starting later this year.

I have been involved in plenty of Beta's in the past and they can be as short as a 3 months (for a real naff game) or usually around 5-6 months for a complicated game.

I am still betting we wont see STO till mid next year.

Personally I would rather wait so it appears as a quality piece of work rather than the rushed half-baked Warhammer fiasco that was.

[xSpikex]

I think after all informations we now have, that they will meet their date by march 2010 maybe some weeks fewer but somewhere around that date. So I think things will come to move after Champions Online is released.
Let them do one thing after another.

best regards

[jhem99]

A bit of reverse calculation I learned in high school. Beta will start later this year. Game has to be out by March next year. Beta lasts six months. March minus six months brings us to ........... ?:D

[xSpikex]

I know it, I know it, I know it

The right Answer is September/October!!!

:D

[Eurian_Daramond]

To everyone who cant wait remember MxO that game had such potential but it failed on an epic scale as far as gameplay and combat. i say let them get it right, alot of games with this much hype have sucked. Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, and RO Online all of which suck.

You couldn't be more wrong about Tabula Rasa, in my opinion. The only thing that sucked about TR is that Richard Garriott pulled the plug after only one year of run time because he took a trip into space and then returned with a change of heart for some odd reason. TR was very unique, and had a combat system that was at least different from the standard auto attack bore that every single online game seemed to adopt at the time (and last time I checked, still do). One of the reasons I'm so excited about Champions Online! ;)

[Owltiger]

Did anyone else try Vanguard at launch? It was a rushed game, and half of the stuff was broken or imbalanced. Now personally? I would rather have a game like this done right, which means if they have to release it late next year or even spring of 2011 then I say let them do it.

I want to have a star trek game that actually is fun, not the crud that has the logo slapped on it that we have been getting the last few decades. So give them a chance, I doubt they would spend so much time talking to us and explaining how they plan to do things if this was doomed to vaporware.

You said exactly what I was thinking. I might be dating myself a bit, but I remember when Task Force Games came out with Star Fleet Battles. First it was 5 pages of rules. Then three expansions, then so many different rules that even the craziest amoung us (me) quit buying their junk. In a way it was fun once you realized that one of the designers would deliberately change things to help his character after each gaming conference. Don't know where Steve Cole is now but may he rest somewhere warm. XD.

I've been testing hardware for over thirty years and still don't understand it all. Software development is black magic tossed down a wormhole. Take your time, get it right. If you have to hit the phaser button three hundred times to break it, hit it once more.

[Eurosolo]

You said exactly what I was thinking. I might be dating myself a bit, but I remember when Task Force Games came out with Star Fleet Battles. First it was 5 pages of rules. Then three expansions, then so many different rules that even the craziest amoung us (me) quit buying their junk. In a way it was fun once you realized that one of the designers would deliberately change things to help his character after each gaming conference. Don't know where Steve Cole is now but may he rest somewhere warm. XD.

I've been testing hardware for over thirty years and still don't understand it all. Software development is black magic tossed down a wormhole. Take your time, get it right. If you have to hit the phaser button three hundred times to break it, hit it once more.

I agree 100% with this.

[Hellsfire]

I was in tabula rasa from the start and it was ok,a few probs but thats to be expected for the first year or so,so i would imagine that STO will have probs as well,but lets be honest nothing is perfect to begin with and im sure cryptic will sort it (they did with coh/cov) :D

[Eurian_Daramond]

I was in tabula rasa from the start and it was ok,a few probs but thats to be expected for the first year or so,so i would imagine that STO will have probs as well,but lets be honest nothing is perfect to begin with and im sure cryptic will sort it (they did with coh/cov) :D

Tabula Rasa only had one year of run time...it didn't have time to iron out the problems and bugs that plagued the game. But with these things aside, the game was just awesome in every way that I can think of. I'll never forget the first time when I stepped into the Forean Winderness. :D

STO will have it's problems...people will complain...Cryptic will fix it.
The formula for online games since the very beginning.

[jhem99]

If I knew when this game is released I could plan my sabbatical accordingly.

[Apolladan]

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=24598

[Eurian_Daramond]

Consider this:

As you can see, Champions Online reached its release after 24 "Ask Cryptic" events.
Star Trek Online is currently at the 13th "Ask Cryptic."
Champions Online's 13th "Ask Cryptic" took place on November 24, 2008. So around 8 months until launch.

This theory would only be sound if we factually knew that Cryptic was following their same "Ask Cryptic" pattern used for CO. For example: the "Ask Cryptic" for STO might actually be 32 events...or maybe only 20. You're basing your theory off of mathematics whose solutions were accurate with CO. At this time, we don't know if the same numbers are going to work for the STO release date.

Do you have proof that they are?

Consider this Atari financial report:

Star Trek Online: with customizable ships and characters from the Klingon Empire and United
Federation of Planets, ground, space and shipboard gameplay and unique options for player generated
content set in the Star Trek universe, Star Trek Online is the MMOG that allows
gamers to boldly go where no one has gone before. This game is expected to benefit from the
success of the newest Star Trek film (release for the video game expected by the end of this fiscal
year)

The end of the fiscal year the report is referring to is March 31, 2010.

Maybe it is. I wouldn't know since I'm not curious enough to look it up.

But I've heard rumors that the game is supposed to come out around the date mentioned above. I'm a patient man, and am willing to wait without my excitement getting the better of me.

[jhem99]

Someone could infiltrate Cryptic and leak the date they are working towards.

[Tristan_Kalm]

Someone could infiltrate Cryptic and leak the date they are working towards.

The shat can do that...but only if you come along and help. :D

[Hawk8472]

The shat can do that...but only if you come along and help. :D

The Shat is God he can do anything ;)

[winrez]

I am a GM of a guild on warcraft and about 200 of the guildies are going to switch over to STO after its ready as you can only run Uldar so many times before getting really bored

[Hawk8472]

I am a GM of a guild on warcraft and about 200 of the guildies are going to switch over to STO after its ready as you can only run Uldar so many times before getting really bored

Hi i use to play WoW alot on the EU server called Moonglade

[Khenna]

Hi i use to play WoW alot on the EU server called Moonglade

I'm also a Moonglader, nice to see more of us here x)

[Hellsfire]

i hate wow,sorry but i do :D

[jkerr91]

I'm also a Moonglader, nice to see more of us here x)

Boo i was a Stormrage/Quel'thalas guy.

Oh but i'm also eagerly anticipating STO!! CANT WAAAIITT!!:D

[SenatorPardek]

WoW and other traditional MMORPGs never really had any interest for me. This game though, has really got my mojo burning.

[jhem99]

When oh when wilst thou come out of hiding, O STo, my beloved?:o

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

It gives me great pleasure to tell you all the release is on gamestops website, it went up about 25 mins ago.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=Star%20Trek%20online

You can preorder the game for the launch date as shown.

This is not from cryptic this is from a preorder i seen on the site when i was hunting for details. It may not be right but it sure looks amazing.

Im so excited, i think everyone should celebrate

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:


Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation.

This sticky brought to you by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Tribbles.

Aw, i didnt think it could be false,

False hope, Sorry dude,

<hides head in shame> Just got uber excited :eek:

Epic fail by me there. I should of ran it past you guys in the IRC before posting it. I can see how retailers would put it for sale without knowing the real date just to try and make early bucks.

Sorry buddy

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Aw, i didnt think it could be false,

False hope, Sorry dude,

<hides head in shame> Just got uber excited :eek:

Epic fail by me there. I should of ran it past you guys in the IRC before posting it. I can see how retailers would put it for sale without knowing the real date just to try and make early bucks.

Sorry buddy

And sorry if i gave a few of you false hope there, the date on the site seems to a big false one.

<Sets course for distant space and hides at the other end of the galaxy> lol :p

[ussawsomeness]

Boo i was a Stormrage/Quel'thalas guy.

Oh but i'm also eagerly anticipating STO!! CANT WAAAIITT!!:D

me neither!!!
oh and your profile pic is awsome no idea why but it is :D

[brisnmundaen]

I understand there is no release date yet but if you listen to the narration to the video from the Germany GameCon the narrator guy ( i think its Craig Zincevich) says the game will be out next year being 2010 so the year is right on gamestop site

They do that just so people can preorder the game without having to worry about not getting a copy if it sells out first day

[Cuddles]

Didn't Atari say at some point they are aiming to have it released by the end of their 4th quarter, which is january-march?

[Admiral-Darren-Wright]

Didn't Atari say at some point they are aiming to have it released by the end of their 4th quarter, which is january-march?

Well no one knows i geuss. In January cryptic said it would be in 2009 ,and there posters say 2010, but i think the waits been worth it from seeing the gamescon videos it looks awesome.

[Vampir888]

Seeing how fast/slow they write their Path to 2409 the last year will be published in the end of 2010. And it would only be logical that we know what happend in 2408 before the game is published.
But I hope I'm wrong and the closer we come to play STO the faster they write.

[ecsakron]

so does this mean there is a parallel universe where sto has been released and we are playing it? I would probably be wearing a sombrero and a mankini

[Kirby]

From executive producer Craig Zinkievich:


Once we have an official release date, you'll hear about it here first. Until then, treat everything else on the internet/in stores as speculation. As a request, when you have an official release date, would you create a new thread for that and lock this thread for simplicity's sake? Thank you.

(I read through a few pages and didn't see anything similar mentioned, so I apologize if this has already been established.)

[mbrwn2003]

thats what iam talking about

[Cuddles]

@ecsakron No, Star Trek Online is set in the standard star trek universe we all know and love, the latest movie has set itself up in a now alternate universe.

@A-D-W I don't think anyone in Cryptic said it would be released in 2009 in any official capacity, I do remember an interview with someone from their publisher (im guessing NCSoft?) way back saying you'll be able to enjoy it in Fall 2009, but given we aren't even in beta yet, that seems quite unlikely.

Here is the link from Atari that states their expected release: http://corporate.atari.com/MT-3.34-en/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/052909PR_FY09_earnings_GB_FINAL.pdf


Indicative expected release later this fiscal year / early next year:
Star Trek Online: with customizable ships and characters from the Klingon Empire and United
Federation of Planets, ground, space and shipboard gameplay and unique options for playergenerated
content set in the Star Trek universe, Star Trek Online is the MMOG that allows
gamers to boldly go where no one has gone before. This game is expected to benefit from the
success of the newest Star Trek film (release for the video game expected by the end of this fiscal
year)

The end of Atari's Fiscal year is March.

Obviously that's a financial target set by Atari and not an official release date, but it's likely that Cryptic is working to that target too.

[Freeman_79]

I think everyone can stop the specualtions about a release date, this only gonna get your hope's to high and then probably crushed from another delay.

If Atari now owns Cryptic, that really doesn't mean a ****(so to spelling), just because Cryptic has a new owner I'm pretty sure they let them do their work.
And Atari is a quite large company, so even there I'm pretty sure they have overlooked the economy for Cryptic and STO.
But as far as I know it's going quite well for Atari, and by letting Cryptic working on this game would actually give Atari more benefit from it, aswell as Cryptic, and I'm pretty sure the Atari administration is aware of that.

Just because a new head steps in it doesn't mean they have to alter every little routine or thing to come across.
About pressure on Cryptic, I think they actually working as hard as they can, and the pressure is unavoidable, they know loads of people waiting with eagerness on this game, and that the developers forfil the expectations from everyone waiting, so why shouldn't they feel the pressure.

And when Atari bought Cryptic I'm also quite sure they did know about STO, since it have been on the development board for quite long.

As Rekhan said in another post, they will let us know when they have a official release date, also, it's very normal the publisher let the developer present their work aswell as state a date of release, not the publisher itself.


Live long and prosper
//Freeman

[Vorgse]

When it comes to release dates I'll leave it at this. Remember Halo 2? I reserved it while I was stll in drivers ed, and it wasn't released until the spring of my senior year. So for those of you who aren't me, I bought the reservation ticket Fall/Winter 2002 then finally got the game Spring 2005... 2.5 years later

[KashikoiBaka]

Well considering how fast Champions went from beta to retail, the game showed up at Target today, not on the shelf yet but we have it already. I expect that STO, a different game with different teams, will have a quick beta->Retail release.

[JTtaylor]

Well considering how long Perpetual had been neglecting this game. And how fast Cryptic have come so far in so little time I think they deserve some credit. As far as Atari goes, they have been known to make not so good decisions. But overall I don't think they will involve themselves too much.

And if the game is like their previous games then I am not worried about it being a fun experience. Because...lets face it. That's what it's all about.

[XNIGHT]

I'm wondering... do you think, right before it get's released, they'll have the same kind of subscription special that Champions Online did?

[Vorgse]

I'm wondering... do you think, right before it get's released, they'll have the same kind of subscription special that Champions Online did?

I hope so, I'm really looking forward to CO but was on the road when Open Beta slots went open and I will not subscribe to a game before I play it. I hope if they do that with STO they make more Open Beta keys so that many of we faithful can test it out and make an informed decision about a lifetime subscription, rather than make us pay $200 for a lifetime then get to play the game; Someone has said it before but it seemed like they were just trying to get a few extra subs.

[Alithia]

I'm wondering... do you think, right before it get's released, they'll have the same kind of subscription special that Champions Online did?

Who knows, but it would be nice :)

[Ghostmooner]

Uhmm... Then how come I just saw the release date for 1/26/10 over at gamestop ?

[Reaperxxl883]

Uhmm... Then how come I just saw the release date for 1/26/10 over at gamestop ?

I saw the same thing and even got a print out of it! Not sure where that print out is now but in the age of pay now play later you can't really besure if the product will ship on a choosen date.

[SelorKiith]

These Dates are all guesses... nothing more...
Marketing tricks...
or would you pre-order a game where no date is set?