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Beef
06-01-2009, 01:32 PM
First of all I would like to apologize if any of the items that are to be discussed below have appeared elsewhere in the past, my excuse would be the number of threads already present in the forums. Additionally I saw fit to separate this topic into an outside thread to attract more attention.

This is aimed mainly toward the STO crew, but I would also ask anyone who reads this to finish reading and attempt to comment all my... emmmm... typings.

First of all I would like to say that I do not exactly agree that beta testing is so serious as many people say it is. For a well known game (to avoid advertising I'll not say which one) I created a mod myself and tested it myself. Of course everything comes out beta at first, so did my mod. I first tested beta myself and I have to say that it had some fun despite the fact of required patience it did have some fun. Trying to intentionally break the games rules, cheat, get to not-supposed-to-reach places, be despicable and play dirty does provide entertainment because its a game AND its a beta, so it is not only allowed, but you have to crack down the rules just to see where you can and if you can. Also, falling through the floor for no apparent reason as said in the example is not exactly something to cry about also.

Now to the serious part.

Beta suggestion

To summarize I have my share of beta testing of my own stuff and additionally I am a programmer so have a unique perspective about new and unreleased software. I must say that closed beta testing is somewhat overstated. Having a limited amount of personnel for error removal testing is slow going and does not necessary yield the right results, so (if any admins are observing the thread of course) I would consider open beta with simple error reporting as a fast way to hammer out graphical and performance anomalies in the game.
I am not saying to just open the doors and funnel everyone in but lets say about 200 people that are at least small time trekkies so that they know at least how the game should be running at star trek style. Then add a selected group of people (say 50 from the 200) that are characteristically disgusted by graphics being out of the ordinary, a bunch of them to be despicable cheaters (100 from the 200 would do) to see how far one would scam his way through, and the rest who are experienced MMORPG players who like to explore. They would snoop around, see if something is not right then call somebody to check it out and move on to look for another anomaly (not space anomaly but game anomaly :D ). And you have a summarily functioning system for game improvement selected only for about first 200 people that fill in the positions mentioned above.
And if you are worried about internal security - don't be. Half life 2 was also stolen unfinished and packed to Russia, that only caused the rest of the world to turn away at disgust, embarrassing the hacker that did that.

Wireless interned and other dial-up

Along with me, some users have wireless internet at home with the modem the size of a USB MP3 player, which does offer a connection (for me at least) of up to 7,2mbit/s. Having such a radical piece of equipment, would it be possible to apply for beta testing as well? I believe it should, since wireless internet is an ever-faster growing piece of hardware that is gaining more and more users every day.

>>An ever growing world<<

Believe it or not, many online game projects have collapsed because the computer world was advancing too fast for them to keep up graphically. I believe that STO is not finished yet because of the magnitude of the environment the game contains. One could allways build something smaller and then upgrade is gradually ( the advice applies if the levels are still being added in STO, of course... :D ). Take MU online for example (sorry, but its the only one i can think of...), new environments have been added attracting many new players in various servers. In STO it is even easier given the fact that the environment is limitless space :D . I know that you will add them later anyway, but having less now is a way of getting things done easier and faster.


I have many more to say but my hand is about to fall of from all this typing.:rolleyes: I hope I haven't offended the STO crew, no harm was intended but I am programmer (noob but still a programmer!) and have gone through some of what I am advising.

I hope you will not mind if I add threads with more if any considerable interest appears...

SovWell
06-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Wow, large post. I am sorry to discover it was never commented on and died 3 pages back. So, in honor of your extreamly large informative post - I have bumped it for you. Your Welcome.

jhem99
06-02-2009, 01:18 AM
I think Zinc would like to keep his job.:o

Beef
06-02-2009, 11:55 PM
Wow, large post. I am sorry to discover it was never commented on and died 3 pages back. So, in honor of your extreamly large informative post - I have bumped it for you. Your Welcome.

What the ***** is it doing all the way back here? I just started the topic and it was already shoved back. This is insulting!

Beaver8
06-03-2009, 12:14 AM
What the ***** is it doing all the way back here? I just started the topic and it was already shoved back. This is insulting!
You didn't know that in order to be on the front page you had to send me $5. Well I will wave the fee this time but next time it's going to cost ya 10 :d

Beef
06-03-2009, 10:43 PM
You had better sneezed and your hand fell on the keyboard so this was typed by accident.

Also you are lucky that insults are not permited.

And you think this is funny? Or worse you think it is not? I got the screenshot buddy and i'm contact the crew about this discriminating treatment of users! And if they confirm it im gonna take the screenshot and their statement and personally expose you greedy ****** to my community.

And I can assure you, it will show!

zanderj
06-04-2009, 12:39 AM
Hey Beef,

the reason why your post was shoved back a few pages was because people post things all the time in the forums, and sometimes topics get overlooked. It is only natural.

As far as your original post goes.. It is interesting but not plausible. It is best to just let Cryptic do their job.

Although your concert about wireless is pretty valid.. It isn't really known yet.

I don't know alot about MMOs but I believe a stable wireless connection is a good way to play...

hope that helps atleast a bit.

raldar
06-04-2009, 04:24 AM
You had better sneezed and your hand fell on the keyboard so this was typed by accident.

Also you are lucky that insults are not permited.

And you think this is funny? Or worse you think it is not? I got the screenshot buddy and i'm contact the crew about this discriminating treatment of users! And if they confirm it im gonna take the screenshot and their statement and personally expose you greedy ****** to my community.

And I can assure you, it will show!

Get your undies out of that knot they seem to be in and relax. Beaver8 was kidding.


And I happen to find this thread pretty funny.

Beaver8
06-04-2009, 04:32 AM
Get your undies out of that knot they seem to be in and relax. Beaver8 was kidding.
And I happen to find this thread pretty funny.

I was of course only kidding....and I thought his post was a joke as well....Maybe it wasn't LoL But it looks like now I will be exposed to the crew and all that good stuff :D

Beef
06-04-2009, 04:34 AM
Hey Beef,

the reason why your post was shoved back a few pages was because people post things all the time in the forums, and sometimes topics get overlooked. It is only natural.


I am talking about being immediatly pushed aside when it was made. And now, he wants to charge? Is he even staff? I don't think so.:mad:

Huutini
06-04-2009, 04:41 AM
I am talking about being immediatly pushed aside when it was made. And now, he wants to charge? Is he even staff? I don't think so.:mad:

I get you... :D

XharKhan
06-04-2009, 04:52 AM
I am talking about being immediatly pushed aside when it was made. And now, he wants to charge? Is he even staff? I don't think so.:mad:

Chill there Beef, there's no need to get angst! I'm pretty sure that there's no charge for keeping your post up (as that was a joke by Beaver8), but if you dont get many replies then newer posts will inevitably push your thread down the pages.

I think that from your OP some of your points are valid, and I'm also sure that the dev's have had a read through it by now, I think you should probably have a bit of a wait, keep checking your post to see who's replied and hold those thoughts for later discussion.

/peace

raldar
06-04-2009, 04:52 AM
I was of course only kidding....and I thought his post was a joke as well....Maybe it wasn't LoL But it looks like now I will be exposed to the crew and all that good stuff :D

Yeah, you better watch out. His "community" will come and get you and beat you about the head and neck with thier keyboards of doom. :)

Beaver8
06-04-2009, 05:06 AM
@BEEF

I am sorry I made you angry at me. No I am not staff, I am just a forum member much like you and I was only kidding around about charging you money. I thought you would consider it a joke and unfortunatly I was wrong, for that I am sorry for confusing you and making you feel the way you do about me.

The truth about your post being pushed back is that everytime someone replies to a post, it goes up onto the front page. As you can see if you look at the main page there is only room for 20 or so threads that arent stickies. So what probably happened is that soon after you submitted your thread, 20+people replied to other posts which threw yours back into page 2, then to page 3. It didin't mean that your post was unimportant it was just bad luck timing that it happened. Your opinions are valuable to our community and we want everyone to feel welcomed.

Once again, I am sorry for my bad Pun as to why your post got pushed back. It wasn't a proper way for me to greet you and hopefully you wont have any hard feellings about me after reading this. I will try to be more polite next time and understand that not everyone understands my particual sense of humor.

So in an attempt to start again,...Welcome to the forum and please stick around.

128hoodmario
06-04-2009, 05:19 AM
Chill man have a flower necklce I made outside my Igloo this morning

Arcticfrost
06-04-2009, 05:53 AM
@BEEF

I am sorry I made you angry at me. No I am not staff, I am just a forum member much like you and I was only kidding around about charging you money. I thought you would consider it a joke and unfortunatly I was wrong, for that I am sorry for confusing you and making you feel the way you do about me.

The truth about your post being pushed back is that everytime someone replies to a post, it goes up onto the front page. As you can see if you look at the main page there is only room for 20 or so threads that arent stickies. So what probably happened is that soon after you submitted your thread, 20+people replied to other posts which threw yours back into page 2, then to page 3. It didin't mean that your post was unimportant it was just bad luck timing that it happened. Your opinions are valuable to our community and we want everyone to feel welcomed.

Once again, I am sorry for my bad Pun as to why your post got pushed back. It wasn't a proper way for me to greet you and hopefully you wont have any hard feellings about me after reading this. I will try to be more polite next time and understand that not everyone understands my particual sense of humor.

So in an attempt to start again,...Welcome to the forum and please stick around.

Lol you’re actually apologizing to him, He needs to get over him self and realize that’s how the forms work if his gets pushed off it’s because no one cares and because there’s been hundreds of posts and a sticky just like this.

Beaver8
06-04-2009, 05:59 AM
Lol you’re actually apologizing to him.

I am not a tree hugger or a pushover by any means but it wasn't my intention to cause him any grief over it. Even though he took it the wrong way doesn't change the fact that I am the one who made him get so angry so I felt that I should apologize.

Arcticfrost
06-04-2009, 06:05 AM
I am not a tree hugger or a pushover by any means but it wasn't my intention to cause him any grief over it. Even though he took it the wrong way doesn't change the fact that I am the one who made him get so angry so I felt that I should apologize.

But he got angry for no reason, you could have told him star trek babies is actually how the game would be and he’d believe it and then go ranting on about how stupid making a game like Star trek babies would be.

And I’m not saying you a push over just that you didn’t do anything wrong and thus don’t need to apologize.

Shakari
06-04-2009, 07:03 AM
I have a feeling this thread (after the first post) is dripping with sarcasm. I like the idea, though. I'de most likely fit in as one of the 100 "cheaters". :P

CrazyVulcan
06-04-2009, 07:20 AM
I am talking about being immediatly pushed aside when it was made. And now, he wants to charge? Is he even staff? I don't think so.:mad:

Beef, do you know how many of my threds fall back? most. everyons fall back espicaly if it falls off topic as servearly as this one has

and i only post things and qustions that haveent been done to death, some of you conserns are valad but personaly as a programer i dont think that improves you chances just need to relax

if anything flying off the handle over a joke, a rather obvious and silly one at that, would heart more than help

my point have fun and enjoy being part of the community :)

Pdt_the_confused
06-04-2009, 07:26 AM
Interesting way to attempt to sneak a beta application in before they are accepting them.

Beef
06-04-2009, 10:11 PM
I wasn't applying, i had my share of beta and I lost my interest throughout these years, but it was fun!:D

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But joking around money is not funny.

And gaming IS my field of expertise, and I am a graphic design artist.:cool: I should be taken seriously. I was employed in a project in my country to make browsergame and it failed because it took too long to perfect when we didn't even have to, we should have just fixed bugs as we ran the game on the net.

The sponsors just got tired of us and we barely convinced them not to pay back the funds they sponsored us. Believe me, it wasn't chump change.:eek:

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P.S. You guys really have a talent for off topic eh?