USS Kelvin in STO?

[Azurian]

How many of you would like to see the USS Kelvin in STO?


By now, many of you are thinking, "But the USS Kelvin only existed in the Alternate Timeline"! :mad:

That's not exactly true. The timeline was altered with the destruction of the Kelvin, which technically means the Kelvin-class technically exists in the original timeline as well. By the old Starfleet Technical Manual, the NCC-514 USS Rahmen was a Saladin-class starship. So it could easily be canonized saying the Rahman got a new name when she was refitted with a Secondary Hull. (Which also fits with what was said in ST11 how she was the most advanced starship -25 years ago.

And let's not forget that the Cryptic Staff did say that "all movies and tv shows" are considered canon. Which technically also includes ST11 (well with what original timeline material we can salvage from the new timeline) ;)


So for us STO fans, it means that there is a possibility we could encounter a Kelvin-class starship in STO. With either us encountering one during time-travel, or perhaps running into privateer who managed to rescue one from being scrapped.

I for one and psyched at the possibility. What about you? :D

[Capt_Dracon_Darknight]

Well there are a lot of problems in the new movie:

First of all the Kelvin, Apollo Class
In TOS the Apollo Class had only one Warp Pylon...

Second:
There was a ship of the Proxima REFIT - at the beginn of the battle...

But yeah, the apollo class is most likely to show up, somehow. Even if it's just in the ships database.

[Silverspar]

Well there are a lot of problems in the new movie:

First of all the Kelvin, Apollo Class
In TOS the Apollo Class had only one Warp Pylon...

Second:
There was a ship of the Proxima REFIT - at the beginn of the battle...

But yeah, the apollo class is most likely to show up, somehow. Even if it's just in the ships database.

The Kelvin only has one Warp Nacelle. The engineering Hull is on the upper side of the saucer of this design.

[Corehaven22]

It was an interesting design I've got to say that. It looked epic to me. Kind of like the Enterprise.

We could see something in game that is similar. I doubt it, but it would be nice to see a newer refit version that is common in STO.

Otherwise, I dig your enthusiasm. If not a common thing in game, Id like to see it during some episodic content involving time travel or whatever. A good design anyways. :D

[Tamgros]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if we can even have one pylon in STO. We've already seen some ships with 3 pylons, so STO is allowed to break Roddenberry's ship design.

But, STO seems to add more pylons if anything. I just hope they don't start acting like Madden with turkey legs.

Haha, ok, that joke may not connect with everyone ;)

[Azurian]

Personally I like the 1, 2, and 4 nacelled configuration. 3 just looks weird. :p

Well there are a lot of problems in the new movie:

First of all the Kelvin, Apollo Class
In TOS the Apollo Class had only one Warp Pylon...

Second:
There was a ship of the Proxima REFIT - at the beginn of the battle...

But yeah, the apollo class is most likely to show up, somehow. Even if it's just in the ships database.

I hate to break it to you but:

1) The Apollo class was a post TMP Era starship that was Miranda-esque configuration of the Ambassador-class. (Which has two warp nacelles).

2) Proxima-class only exists in Star Trek: Legacy, and not a canon starship.

3) The Kelvin is Pre-Consitution, just like the Saladin-class (destroyer) and the Hermes-class (scout), which have one warp nacelle. The only difference is that there is an added secondary hull to the Kelvin-class.

It was an interesting design I've got to say that. It looked epic to me. Kind of like the Enterprise.

We could see something in game that is similar. I doubt it, but it would be nice to see a newer refit version that is common in STO.

Otherwise, I dig your enthusiasm. If not a common thing in game, Id like to see it during some episodic content involving time travel or whatever. A good design anyways. :D



It would be interesting if we could have a similar configuration with modern ships. After all there is the Freedom class that could be used as a starting point of such an upgrade. ;)

[qoona]

the problem was: his ship was built some 25-30 years before TOS. People complain that mirandas are too old for STo ( 2409!) such ship woulnt be just old. it would be ANCIENT. Connie is ancient, and its 20 years older than connie!

[Capt_Dracon_Darknight]

The Kelvin only has one Warp Nacelle. The engineering Hull is on the upper side of the saucer of this design.


It surely was an Apollo, which should by that time only have one pylon. No matter if modiefied to additional crew or not.

[Azurian]

It surely was an Apollo, which should by that time only have one pylon. No matter if modiefied to additional crew or not.

I believe you are refering to this:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Apollo_class

I hate to break it to you, Dracon. But this Apollo-class design only exists in the Star Trek: RPG and Star Trek: Legacy.
(I.E it's NOT Canon).

the problem was: his ship was built some 25-30 years before TOS. People complain that mirandas are too old for STo ( 2409!) such ship woulnt be just old. it would be ANCIENT. Connie is ancient, and its 20 years older than connie!

Indeed, the Kelvin-class would be ancient compared to STO-era starships. But doesn't mean players wouldn't want to own one. ;)

[Father_Origin]

given the time span between Kirk's early days and the game time frame...there
might be a Kevin, BUT it would be the USS Kelvin D or something like that.

even if the movie stuff didn't happen, they still update ships over time.

[Vorador]

Umm why? Kelvin is so outdated compared to ships in STO. A mining vessel was able to destroy it with ease. A modern shuttlecraft would be able to destroy it with a few phaser blasts.

[ramjam380]

We're highly unlikely to see the Kelvin itself in STO outside of a historical database (and that would be nice to give a canon-timeline account of its service)

However, remember that Cryptic is giving us configurations, not classes of starships. In that light, there is no reason that we couldn't see a ship designed with the secondary hull above the primary and a large warp nacelle underneath. In fact, given the seeming popularity of that design, I would bet on it.

[Hornet331]

Umm why? Kelvin is so outdated compared to ships in STO. A mining vessel was able to destroy it with ease. A modern shuttlecraft would be able to destroy it with a few phaser blasts.

*cough* that "mining vessel" obliterated at least a fleet of 14 BoPs. :p

[The_Padre]

Umm why? Kelvin is so outdated compared to ships in STO. A mining vessel was able to destroy it with ease. A modern shuttlecraft would be able to destroy it with a few phaser blasts.

A mining vessel augmented with a highly sophisticated Borg weapon and defensive system.

[Aeneas]

the problem was: his ship was built some 25-30 years before TOS. People complain that mirandas are too old for STo ( 2409!) such ship woulnt be just old. it would be ANCIENT. Connie is ancient, and its 20 years older than connie!


I agree with this lol.
It just owuodnt fit right i think

[USS_Parallax]

I'd think the thing has power a few times more powerful then a Scimitar. Romulans get all the huge strong as crap ships.

[Awarkle]

I think folks forget that Spock was around during the Next Gen era. That mining ship would have incredible power compared to a Post enterprise / Pre Tos era.

as for the Kevlin class i sort of liked it but you really didnt see it do much action well apart from blow up. As for the design.

Although the secondary hull was above the saucer instead of below it seemed to me that it wasnt so much containing the engineering section as more deflector controls and the shuttle bay. I mean they had enough shuttles to evacuate the entire ship that was quite a lot of storage space.

[Silverspar]

You know, if I get the option, I might jsut outfit my ship with the new warp nacelles int eh new movie, just to tick of the haters.

[cody-welch]

im building my first star ship like the kelivn or the reliant

[ronaldheld]

Why would we see it except for historical missions or there is a current "retro" version of the design?

[tonymetpolice]

im sure with the customazition there talking about, you can construct something that will have the "look" of the Kelvin

[VanCaptain]

In my eyes, the Kelvin class ship was akin to the Miranda class which eventually lead to the more recogniseable Nebula design.

The Kelvin would be considered a 'light cruiser' whilst the Enterprise a 'Heavy Cruiser'...in my eyes... Miranda is light whilst the Excelsior is heavy..Nebula to Galaxy.

Of course, when you get to the post Borg era they diverse much more... Akira, Steamrunner, defiant etc...

Hmm, wouln't it be yummy if they went bigger post Dominion war, a secret temperal ships...imagine hulls bigger than galaxy, with twin saucers with an enlarged defiant type silouette in the middle..with giant oversied phaser cannons running down its..err..getting carried away..carry on people!

[ethanADAMS]

Seen movie yesterday, great flick...Cannot find this ship, USS Kelvin, only reference is a time line in Star Trek Encyclopedia, A reference Guide To the future and Expanded Edition byMicheal & Denise Okuda,
Copyright 1994, 1997, 1999 Paramount Pictures.

The earilest ships mentioned are the following:
I will try and get this up...

2063- Warp drive invented, Zefram Cochrane.

2065 SS Valiant is lost near the edge of the Galaxy.("Where No Man Has Gone before"[TOS]

2117- Cochrane disappears and is believed dead

2117- USS Valiant Federation Starship that contacted planet Eminiar VII and was declared a causualty in the 500-year-old war between planetsEminiar VII and Vendikar.("A Taste of Armageddon"[TOS]. We assume this is a different ship from the SS Valiant that disappeared around 2065. We conjecture that the Valiant had a registry # NCC-1223.

2161- The United Federation of Planets incorporated.

Kirk born-2233

2245- First Starship Enterprise, NCC- 1701, is launched.

2251 Christopher Pike assumes command of Enterprise. He heads two five years missions of exploration into unknown.

2252 Spock begins serving under Pike on Enterprise. Graduates Academy following year.

2254 Kirk Graduates Starfleet Academy, assigned to USS Farragut.

2264- Kirk assigned the Enterprise, 2266 First season TOS.

I will try to get the photo of the SS Valiant...It looks nothing like the Kelvin....I've been trying to find that ship since yesterday...

[-Brett-]

Seen movie yesterday, great flick...Cannot find this ship, USS Kelvin, only reference is a time line in Star Trek Encyclopedia, A reference Guide To the future and Expanded Edition byMicheal & Denise Okuda,
Copyright 1994, 1997, 1999 [emphasis mine] Paramount Pictures.


You do realize that the movie we're talking about came out this year, right?

[ethanADAMS]

How many of you would like to see the USS Kelvin in STO?


By now, many of you are thinking, "But the USS Kelvin only existed in the Alternate Timeline"! :mad:

That's not exactly true. The timeline was altered with the destruction of the Kelvin, which technically means the Kelvin-class technically exists in the original timeline as well. By the old Starfleet Technical Manual, the NCC-514 USS Rahmen was a Saladin-class starship. So it could easily be canonized saying the Rahman got a new name when she was refitted with a Secondary Hull. (Which also fits with what was said in ST11 how she was the most advanced starship -25 years ago.

And let's not forget that the Cryptic Staff did say that "all movies and tv shows" are considered canon. Which technically also includes ST11 (well with what original timeline material we can salvage from the new timeline) ;)


So for us STO fans, it means that there is a possibility we could encounter a Kelvin-class starship in STO. With either us encountering one during time-travel, or perhaps running into privateer who managed to rescue one from being scrapped.

I for one and psyched at the possibility. What about you? :D

Yes seen the movie...Yes i know what todays date is....Im trying to find this Kelvin Ship...The only record of an early ship is the SS Valiant....You can find it i beleive in Mem. Alpha also. it looks nothing like the Kelvin.

.if you are at all interested...

It is just FYI... Ok Here's what i found on the USS Kelvin..Check it out..."Light Works"

http://evilgenius180.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/wip-02-u-s-s-kelvin/

[Azurian]

Yes seen the movie...Yes i know what todays date is....Im trying to find this Kelvin Ship...The only record of an early ship is the SS Valiant....You can find it i beleive in Mem. Alpha also. it looks nothing like the Kelvin.

.if you are at all interested...

It is just FYI... Ok Here's what i found on the USS Kelvin..Check it out..."Light Works"

http://evilgenius180.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/wip-02-u-s-s-kelvin/

Why are you looking up the Kelvin if it was recently created? Heck, why are you looking in the history, when the Star Trek Encyclopedia only lists famous ships that was involved the TV shows and the movies, or had a significant impact on the timeline. In which the last time that was updated was 1999 (which doesn't even include the NX-01).

As I stated in my post, the only thing close to canon is the NCC-514, which was mentioned in the Starfleet Technical Manual as the USS Rahmen, a Saladin-class destroyer.

Either case, the Movies are canon. So in either the original timeline or the alternate timeline, the NCC-0514 USS Kelvin is officially canon.

[Skud]

the devs said they wanted the different classes of ships t look unique so players can tell what theyre up against.

so i'm sure they will have a single nacelle ship similar at least since it looks very unique compared to other twin nacelle ships which all look the same imo lol

[The-Raver]

Older ships have returned like the raptor class for klingons, so y not fed ships like the Apollo Class. Myself i would like to see sto versions of constellation class ships and D7 Battlecruisers.

[Aethelstan]

To be honest, given the blooper Enterprise made showing a K'Tinga in Enterprise for an early Klingon Battlecruiser I don't think its too much of a stretch to say one design can be in service and re-used/refited and upgraded for a very long time. Starfleet already has the example of the Miranda (124 years+ and counting), the Klingon's have the D7 which is about 160 years (if you ignore enterprise' mess up) and counting if I'm remembering correctly?

Not necessarily saying the Kelvin should be in the game (though I must admit, its a nice ship), just saying to keep an open mind about 'ancient' designs.

[Awarkle]

Just because the externals remain the same doesnt mean the internals have been totally refitted, the klingons probbly keep old ship designs but refit the internals not due to costs but because a worthy design doesnt necesarily need scrapping.

I think the Kelvin is a saladin class with an increased size shuttle bay / engineering section. Maybe for a specfic duty such as shuttle carrier or repair.

I wouldnt see the kelvin as a long range starship.

however i cant see why we cant have a kelvin designed starship in STO with the understlung single nacelle. with an overslung pod.

[Aethelstan]

Just because the externals remain the same doesnt mean the internals have been totally refitted, the klingons probbly keep old ship designs but refit the internals not due to costs but because a worthy design doesnt necesarily need scrapping.

Thats exactly my point, just put in a far more clear fashion so thanks :) .

According to the official movie site, the Kelvin is a science vessel so maybe theres something about its duties there that require such a large number of shuttles. Then again, past series were never terribly clear about how many shuttles they had on board, yes I'm looking at you Voyager with the near infinite supply.

It's certainly an interesting design so the possibility for that configuration is there at least, if not the exact same class.

[ethanADAMS]

Why are you looking up the Kelvin if it was recently created? Heck, why are you looking in the history, when the Star Trek Encyclopedia only lists famous ships that was involved the TV shows and the movies, or had a significant impact on the timeline. In which the last time that was updated was 1999 (which doesn't even include the NX-01).

As I stated in my post, the only thing close to canon is the NCC-514, which was mentioned in the Starfleet Technical Manual as the USS Rahmen, a Saladin-class destroyer.

Either case, the Movies are canon. So in either the original timeline or the alternate timeline, the NCC-0514 USS Kelvin is officially canon.

Thanks for your input, its appreciated. Firstly when I saw the USS Kelvin in the movie, I immediately said ,wow I never saw that one before. Do you have it listed in Your Starfleet Tech Manual? Just resently created? What date do you have it commisioned? The encyclopedia out there now, is updated and expanded. I recommend it(in my opinion). I most likely will see the movie a few more times, for this "Alternate Time line" has me somewhat questioning the reasoning for throwing thiis ship in the story-line.
Don't get me wrong, I dig the ship. It just seems a little too futuristic(for that time frame) and why not use a ship more "canon"? (Listed)
In reading many threads here in STO, the word "canon" expressed by many here is gospel. I knew nothing of canon till joining STO. Seen the first pilot, 1966. I am 56 years old and don't feel I have to explain myself to anyone, unless this is a "Court Martial". See you out there......Good Luck
No wouldn't want to see it in STO. To outdated like myself.;)

[Azurian]

Thanks for your input, its appreciated. Firstly when I saw the USS Kelvin in the movie, I immediately said ,wow I never saw that one before. Do you have it listed in Your Starfleet Tech Manual? Just resently created? What date do you have it commisioned?

Saddly no, it's not listed in the Manual. But the Technical Manual is considered canon since some pages were used in the first couple of Star Trek movies. And as I said before, it does list the NCC-514 USS Rahmen, a Saladin-class destroyer. But afraid it does not list the specifics such as commision dates and such, only the basic ship-class information.

So looking back, with the Rahmen was never officially being used in the movies, one could easily backtrack and rewrite history that explains the Kelvin being a modified Saladin-class destroyer and upgraded with a Secondary Hull and perhaps took on a Light Cruiser configuration. Which could end up leading to the Miranda-class design.

The encyclopedia out there now, is updated and expanded. I recommend it(in my opinion). I most likely will see the movie a few more times, for this "Alternate Time line" has me somewhat questioning the reasoning for throwing thiis ship in the story-line.
Don't get me wrong, I dig the ship. It just seems a little too futuristic(for that time frame) and why not use a ship more "canon"? (Listed)

Afraid the ST: Encyclopedia (Third Edition) is 10 years old and doesn't have information regarding Enterprise and the last two years of Voyager. The only source that's more up-to-date is Memory Alpha (which the cast do use for sources of information).

In reading many threads here in STO, the word "canon" expressed by many here is gospel. I knew nothing of canon till joining STO. Seen the first pilot, 1966. I am 56 years old and don't feel I have to explain myself to anyone, unless this is a "Court Martial". See you out there......Good Luck
No wouldn't want to see it in STO. To outdated like myself.;)

Oh, it's not just a term used in Star Trek, but Star Wars and other Science Fiction genres as well. In fact the Star Wars fans created a canon-level system, ranging from 100% Lucas Canon down to fanfiction. Which we Trek fans should create such a system. :p

[jagerbolt]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if we can even have one pylon in STO. We've already seen some ships with 3 pylons, so STO is allowed to break Roddenberry's ship design.

But, STO seems to add more pylons if anything. I just hope they don't start acting like Madden with turkey legs.

Haha, ok, that joke may not connect with everyone ;)

Nice, I can see Madden naming his ship the "USS Brett Favre."

Anyway - few others have said it as well but I imagine we will see some ship configuration in the game with 1 nacelle with customization options to make it appear pretty similar to the Kelvin.

Also it's not out of the question for the same chassis for starships to be used over time, like the Miranda. Just because the original design was made many years ago doesn't mean that it has to keep the same old technology within it.

Check out the history on aircraft carriers or submarines. The different ships may have the same class designation but each one built is modified and upgraded to the current technology of the time. I don't see why the same approach wouldn't work for starships.

[Voorhees]

Keep in mind the time line was suppose to remain in tact till the kelvin was attacked and at that moment is when the timeline changed. Up to then tho the time line was suppose to follow its course.

[ethanADAMS]

*****Sorry, Double Posted.....********

[lokan]

I'd think the thing has power a few times more powerful then a Scimitar. Romulans get all the huge strong as crap ships.

Incorrect, the Romulans get all the "We couldn't come up with an intelligent plot, so to keep you from noticing take this UBERSHIP OF DOOM! WITH LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS!"

Pity people get suckered in by it.

I certainly hope the Kelvin makes no appearance in STO, even if we pretend it's canon and not "Bizarro Abrams TOS', it's age would make the Miranda look state of the art by comparison.

[ethanADAMS]

Quote, Azurian:
Afraid the ST: Encyclopedia (Third Edition) is 10 years old and doesn't have information regarding Enterprise and the last two years of Voyager. The only source that's more up-to-date is Memory Alpha (which the cast do use for sources of information).

Once again, wether you beleieve me or I really don't care, but like I said before it is a supplement and expanded edition...It has all info on the Enterprise, every mission, etc, up to E series and all in on Voyager and all the ....Hey you know what, good luck to you, I'm too busy for this, it works well enough for me.

It's the latest edition...maybe they will come out with a more recent edition...Look it up in Memeory Alpha???
Tells you all you need to know...Set me back about $25.00...any book store...I'll tell a secret....

It's well worth it.....Im not smart, just very lucky to still see the print...later...

Why discourage anyone from picking it up? Or further advancing their STAR TREK Knowledge???

"It's canon bro!!!!"

[ethanADAMS]

Incorrect, the Romulans get all the "We couldn't come up with an intelligent plot, so to keep you from noticing take this UBERSHIP OF DOOM! WITH LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS!"

Pity people get suckered in by it.

I certainly hope the Kelvin makes no appearance in STO, even if we pretend it's canon and not "Bizarro Abrams TOS', it's age would make the Miranda look state of the art by comparison.

Way to Go, Scotty(Lokan)!!!!! Bully for you!!!!

[Azurian]

Quote, Azurian:
Afraid the ST: Encyclopedia (Third Edition) is 10 years old and doesn't have information regarding Enterprise and the last two years of Voyager. The only source that's more up-to-date is Memory Alpha (which the cast do use for sources of information).

Once again, wether you beleieve me or I really don't care, but like I said before it is a supplement and expanded edition...It has all info on the Enterprise, every mission, etc, up to E series and all in on Voyager and all the ....Hey you know what, good luck to you, I'm too busy for this, it works well enough for me.

It's the latest edition...maybe they will come out with a more recent edition...Look it up in Memeory Alpha???
Tells you all you need to know...Set me back about $25.00...any book store...I'll tell a secret....

It's well worth it.....Im not smart, just very lucky to still see the print...later...

Why discourage anyone from picking it up? Or further advancing their STAR TREK Knowledge???

"It's canon bro!!!!"

I'm sorry, but I never heard of any Supplements or Expansions so the Star Trek: Encyclopedia. Even Memory Alpha does not say there is anything new.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek_Encyclopedia

As for a new edition, I could email Mike Okuda and ask. Then again trek fans probably prefer to use Memory Alpha for information over a book that has information squished out of it to meet publication needs.

[ethanADAMS]

Yea, that,s it...Thanks. Never thought to email Okuda...didn,t think it possible??? Good idea. If you do, please let us know.
Oh yea, how did you like that web site on the Kelvin?
eA

[LebowskyBob]

It surely was an Apollo, which should by that time only have one pylon. No matter if modiefied to additional crew or not.

The Kelvin does have only one warp engine, the thing on top was a secondary hull, didn't you see the shuttle bay in the back?

[Silverspar]

Incorrect, the Romulans get all the "We couldn't come up with an intelligent plot, so to keep you from noticing take this UBERSHIP OF DOOM! WITH LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS!"

Pity people get suckered in by it.

I certainly hope the Kelvin makes no appearance in STO, even if we pretend it's canon and not "Bizarro Abrams TOS', it's age would make the Miranda look state of the art by comparison.

You know, for someone who makes faux claims of being a Trekkie, you could at least put the proper star date in your signature, even in old school. Your star date is even before the Galaxy class Enterprise launched and the Steamrunner didn't get created till much later.

[Colonel_Jedrek]

I dont think the destruction of the Kelvin shifted the timeline. If you look at the Kelvin and how much more advanced it is than even the USS Prometheus, then you have to admit that it seems like it was a different universe to start with. I agree with a few of the posters saying that it seems like Nero and Spock didn't just travel back into the past but actually shifted to an alternate dimension from the start. Just like the Mirror Universe episodes of Enterprise, the USS Defiant didn't just go back in time when it disappeared, it jumped to an alternate universe. Since the blackhole that Spock and Nero went through was artificially created with the red matter, it isn't hard to understand that it didn't just open a rip in time, but space as well.

[Silverspar]

I dont think the destruction of the Kelvin shifted the timeline. If you look at the Kelvin and how much more advanced it is than even the USS Prometheus, then you have to admit that it seems like it was a different universe to start with. I agree with a few of the posters saying that it seems like Nero and Spock didn't just travel back into the past but actually shifted to an alternate dimension from the start. Just like the Mirror Universe episodes of Enterprise, the USS Defiant didn't just go back in time when it disappeared, it jumped to an alternate universe. Since the blackhole that Spock and Nero went through was artificially created with the red matter, it isn't hard to understand that it didn't just open a rip in time, but space as well.

Actually the ship wasn't advanced at all, however JJ wasn't going to go back to the card board look of the classic Trek. The Klevin's destruction did shift the timeline because George Kirk was killed, and by all appearances, the event caused Kirk to be born prematurely as well. Since Kirk didn't have his father to grow up with, things for his early life were different. The attack also catapulted Starfleet forward, as they undoubtedly analyzed the data from teh Narada's attack on the Kelvin which gave them more insight into technology.

[lokan]

You know, for someone who makes faux claims of being a Trekkie, you could at least put the proper star date in your signature, even in old school. Your star date is even before the Galaxy class Enterprise launched and the Steamrunner didn't get created till much later.


Yes, because the first time we see a ship on screen means it must have been built the day before.

The Appalachia's registry number is 52136, the USS Galaxy is 70637. With a few peculiar exceptions everything we've ever seen suggests lower registry = older ship. So unless Starfleet is numbering ships backward now, the Steamrunner is quite a bit older than the Galaxy.

Unless you want to claim that Galaxies, Nebulas, Excelsior and Mirandas were the only ships Starfleet had for the entire run of TNG, and the couple dozen other canonical designs were all produced in about 10 years, the fact that we hadn't seen them before FC doesn't mean they were 'new'.

[Silverspar]

Registry does not equal star date. Fact of the matter, Steamrunner class didn't go into design until after the first Borg incursion.

[Valec1701]

hello all just wanted to say something in a forum for a second

[cody-welch]

:p LOL. i like star trek but have never gone to the lengths of knowing all this stuff, hopefully star trek online can help us unhardcore to the core star trek fans teach us lessons on how to fight over such things...lmao

[Silverspar]

:p LOL. i like star trek but have never gone to the lengths of knowing all this stuff, hopefully star trek online can help us unhardcore to the core star trek fans teach us lessons on how to fight over such things...lmao

JJ is actually trying that witht he new movie. But, the Trekzis don't want it to happen. If being a Trekkie or Trekker means I am not a Trekzis, then I am happy.

[cody-welch]

i understand silverspar, i saw the movie. i mean the argueing with that guy over the signature of the stardate of the ships induction to current stardate time logg....thingy majiger. i know jst found the words of calling someone else on there flaw hilarious. :D

[moessner]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if we can even have one pylon in STO. We've already seen some ships with 3 pylons, so STO is allowed to break Roddenberry's ship design.

But, STO seems to add more pylons if anything. I just hope they don't start acting like Madden with turkey legs.

Haha, ok, that joke may not connect with everyone ;)


well 3 pylons is in Roddenberry's ship design it was called the dreadnot and thats from the old black covered book called star fleet manual. from what i hurd 1 warp cell was not part of roddenberrys design. he stated u need to have 2 nacells for warp to work right.

[babanathie]

JJ is actually trying that witht he new movie. But, the Trekzis don't want it to happen. If being a Trekkie or Trekker means I am not a Trekzis, then I am happy.

This from the guy nitpicking Stardates...

[Silverspar]

This from the guy nitpicking Stardates...

Well, you might actually want to bother reading next time, since the point flew right over your head. :rolleyes:

[Interdictor]

well 3 pylons is in Roddenberry's ship design it was called the dreadnot and thats from the old black covered book called star fleet manual. from what i hurd 1 warp cell was not part of roddenberrys design. he stated u need to have 2 nacells for warp to work right.
Yeah but the TV shows have totally disregarded his "rules of starship making", so I don't think STO should be bound by them at all either. They've already been cannonically thrown out the window already, after all.

[babanathie]

Well, you might actually want to bother reading next time, since the point flew right over your head. :rolleyes:

Actually, I tend to gloss over your posts... I might actually read them if there is something important written in them. But, usually, it's scan and go.

[Interdictor]

As for the Kelvin - I'd like to find out more about that class of ship anyways (I'm a ship-a-holic) - wether it's in STO or not. Same goes for the rest of the ships in the fleet assigned to aid Vulcan (I think I saw a 3-nacelled ship, a 2-nacelled miranda-like ship, I think there were 2 or 3 other ships in total?)

[ethanADAMS]

Gee, what was the topic again? Oh yea the Kelvin...Check out, "Light Works"

http://evilgenius180.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/wip-02-u-s-s-kelvin/

[babanathie]

As for the Kelvin - I'd like to find out more about that class of ship anyways (I'm a ship-a-holic) - wether it's in STO or not. Same goes for the rest of the ships in the fleet assigned to aid Vulcan (I think I saw a 3-nacelled ship, a 2-nacelled miranda-like ship, I think there were 2 or 3 other ships in total?)

Two were two nacelled with two secondary hulls (nacelles top of ship with the secondary hulls on the bottom). There were two with three nacelles (on the bottom). There were three other ships that I couldn't get a clear view of; however, there was one that looked like the Kelvin. However, I only got a glimpse of it; so, I can't be sure.

[Silverspar]

There were a multitude of starship designs, but nothing had more than three nacelles that I saw.

[babanathie]

There were a multitude of starship designs, but nothing had more than three nacelles that I saw.

Three semi confirmed to five possiby does not constitute a multitude in my book. But I only saw the two nacelle with two secondary hulls, three nacelles and the single nacelled Kelvin. They were innovative designs though. Now if Cryptic would be only be as innovative with their starship design.

[Silverspar]

You can actually go look at the space station on the Star Trek Movie site, it shows all the starships docked, using the approach view we see in the movie of McCoy and Kirk in the shuttlecraft.

[babanathie]

You can actually go look at the space station on the Star Trek Movie site, it shows all the starships docked, using the approach view we see in the movie of McCoy and Kirk in the shuttlecraft.

There were seven starships (eight including Enterprise). Two had three nacelles, and two had the double secondary hulls. That's four of your seven multitude. One looked kind of like the Kelvin that's another one of your multitude. That leaves a possbility of another two of your multitude of starships classes.

[Silverspar]

There were ten ships actually.

[babanathie]

There were ten ships actually.

Still counting seven plus the Enterprise. There might be an eighth one, but it obviously didn't go anywhere since the movie specifically stated seven starships engaged the Narada (minus Enterprise since she was late).

[cody-welch]

if the u.s.s. reliant been there woulda been game over for that drill bit long ago

[Silverspar]

Still counting seven plus the Enterprise. There might be an eighth one, but it obviously didn't go anywhere since the movie specifically stated seven starships engaged the Narada (minus Enterprise since she was late).

They stated nine engaged the Narada, before the Enterprise showed up.

[babanathie]

They stated nine engaged the Narada, before the Enterprise showed up.

I remember seven. Could someone going to see the movie again (or for the first time) clear this up?

Actually from Memory-Alpha:


Kirk then rushes to the bridge to inform Captain Pike of this. Pike is at first skeptical, but after hearing about the call Uhura picked up, Spock concludes that Kirk's logic is correct. As they disengage warp drive, the Enterprise finds itself in a debris field of the other seven Starfleet ships which arrived shortly before they did. The Narada attacks the Enterprise, which takes damage on the first volley of torpedoes, destroying the sickbay. But just as they are about to fire again, Nero realizes which ship he is firing at. He hails the Enterprise, pointedly greeting a confused Spock, and orders Pike to come aboard via shuttlecraft, just like he told Robau.


Seven is in there according to Memory Alpha.

[Silverspar]

I remember seven. Could someone going to see the movie again (or for the first time) clear this up?

It's on Memory Alpha now.

[q.eridan]

the technical manual is not canon!