Will The Borg Return A'La Star Trek: Destiny In Path To..

[CaptainHoliday]

Along with Annika Hansen AKA Seven, I am anxiously waiting the return of the Borg, which we know will happen because of screenshots. Will they be the ancient threat that returns?

I wonder if Cryptic will follow the events of the Star Trek Destiny series, which are popular, or Resistance or the upcoming Losing The Peace.

The Borg devastate the Federation. I wonder if they will devastate the Federation in the STO universe.

Any thoughts?

[KODudna]

The Borg devastating the Federation? Not if I have anything to say about it.

It would however be interesting to see a massive Borg invasion happen at some point... almost as a social experiment - see how the player base, both Federation and Klingon, reacts.

[laladiel]

im sure if the borg show up, both klingon players and fed players will all jump on them for the loot and the exp,if not for the fact that it would be great to be able to say "i laid the smack down on a borg cube"

[KODudna]

Loot? Nah. XP? Sure why not. But to be able to say, "I laid the smackdown on a Borg Cube?" Priceless! :D

[kalorn]

if we been told anything they will reutrn

Consider that the Borg Queen was destroyed in Contact, but another Borg queen replaced that one.
So even in Voyager End Game, where the Borg queen was infected, the Borg Collective not infected would disconnect themselves under a new Borg Queen.

I think that with Unimatrix 0 and the End Game events that happen, has severly crippled the borg, but they will return and hell bent on vengence of a sort, obbsessed with assimulatng the federtaion.

[kalorn]

im sure if the borg show up, both klingon players and fed players will all jump on them "

I will not make an Excellent Drone!!!

[laladiel]

I will not make an Excellent Drone!!!

i may or may not become a drone, but the borg are going to have to work to find out.

[FalconDarkwing]

i plan on playing federation ofcoarse.. but i wonder if teh borg will be playable in the game? it would make a huge twist for pvp and RP situations.

[ShawnCooks]

i hope the borg make a return that will bring all fleet into play

[CaptainHoliday]

i plan on playing federation ofcoarse.. but i wonder if teh borg will be playable in the game? it would make a huge twist for pvp and RP situations.

The borg will not be playable, and will probably never will be

[FalconDarkwing]

thats a shame. it would of made a great Role Playing Component.

[the_reaper87]

If I see the Borg arrive in the same sector of space I'm in, I'm breaking the Warp 10 threshold in the other direction.

[gargamehl]

hehe....why not capture a cube....would be a nice vessle for me^^

[Fernos]

The borg will not be playable, and will probably never will be

You know no matter how many times I hear this it never fails... a smile always comes to my face.

[Arachnidus]

If I see the Borg arrive in the same sector of space I'm in, I'm breaking the Warp 10 threshold in the other direction.

Forget that, time to overload the warp core, get to the shuttles and escape pods, angle the ship towards the cube and jump to warp. That's something you never see, a warp speed impact. Not only will the collision at Warp 9 likely blow a good portion of the cube out, but the warp core detonation would be much more disastrous.

[the_reaper87]

Forget that, time to overload the warp core, get to the shuttles and escape pods, angle the ship towards the cube and jump to warp. That's something you never see, a warp speed impact. Not only will the collision at Warp 9 likely blow a good portion of the cube out, but the warp core detonation would be much more disastrous.

See the problem with that is if you cause that kind of damage, your likely to take out your allies in the fight as well.

Though if you only have Klingon help with fighting the Cube, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

[Anichent]

The borg will not be playable, and will probably never will be

I agree, the Borg are a force of nature, not a race. They are not individuals, so how could they be controlled by them?

I'd much rather consider the Borg to be a natural threat, than indiciduals, because if they become playable....my fight gets personal.

[zorgin]

Forget that, time to overload the warp core, get to the shuttles and escape pods, angle the ship towards the cube and jump to warp. That's something you never see, a warp speed impact. Not only will the collision at Warp 9 likely blow a good portion of the cube out, but the warp core detonation would be much more disastrous.


I bet the Borg haven't seen that tactic yet.. i wonder how they will adapt to that one ;)

[TopDogJW]

Ships designed for ramming... mmhmm

I'm starting to love the sound of this. :D

[Loekii]

I highly doubt that the Borg are the 'ancient' threat. There are other threads about the possiblities.

I think the Borg will be one of the 'super' villians in the game. For the most part, I hope they are 'Raid Boss on Steroids' in strength, rather than some easy opponent.

I expect we will see them return in the 'path' storyline, directly or indirectly (might just hint about their return).

[LunaticFringer]

They'll be back!

[Fireball_IV]

Well from the screenshots we can see that the Borg will be around.
I hope they're not too easy to defeat, this isn't Voyager afterall where one ship can lay waste to fleets of cubes!

I can see the Klingons and Federation working together to defeat a Borg threat though...

[laladiel]

the borg would be considered an ancient threat depending if you accept the legacy game as cannon, it explains veger from the first movie created the borg. or perhaps its the giant pipe looking thing fom voyage home.

[the_reaper87]

Well from the screenshots we can see that the Borg will be around.
I hope they're not too easy to defeat, this isn't Voyager afterall where one ship can lay waste to fleets of cubes!

I can see the Klingons and Federation working together to defeat a Borg threat though...

The thing Voyager, is her crew had a lot luck on there side, and a Captain that wouldn't stop *Insert Swear Word Here* with the space time continuum.

[Riska]

It would be cool if, initially at least, there were no borg. Then dev-controlled singular cubes or spheres started to harrass players on deep space missions at random intervals, signaling an invasion. Sort of like what the matrix online did with agents.

[KiraYamatoX20A]

I think we can all agree that the Borg will return--it's only a question of When. Personally, I won't venture a guess as to When the Borg return--What I will do is state that I'll be prepared whenever they show up. In fact, I plan to have Transphasic Torpedoes as standard equipment on ALL of my ships!!!:D:cool:

Of course, no Anti-Borg strategy is complete without some kind of Superweapon (Improvised or not). I have an idea or two in that regard, but I would bet that everyone else has their own ideas for an Anti-Borg Superweapon. Anyone want to share said ideas?

[the_reaper87]

But how long till they adapt to your method of attack?

Then your buggered.

[KiraYamatoX20A]

You remember Transphasic Torpedoes, right? In the Voyager finale, Voyager used those babies to destroy Borg Cubes in a single shot!!!!! The Borg might adapt to Transphasic Torpedoes, but we'll probably have something MUCH, much stronger available by the time they do.:D

Plus, there's always the Superweapon--something much stronger than ANYTHING else that's available. The first example of a Star Trek Superweapon is that trick with the Main Deflector that the Enterprise-D used in "The Best of Both Worlds". Yeah, it didn't work, but that's because the Borg assimilated Captain Picard and were able to pre-adapt. If they hadn't assimilated Picard, the Main Deflector Cannon would have worked. So, Superweapons are definite Anti-Borg strategies we could use (or at least think up!!!).

So, who wants to share their superweapon first?:)

[Riska]

You remember Transphasic Torpedoes, right? In the Voyager finale, Voyager used those babies to destroy Borg Cubes in a single shot!!!!! The Borg might adapt to Transphasic Torpedoes, but we'll probably have something MUCH, much stronger available by the time they do.:D

Plus, there's always the Superweapon--something much stronger than ANYTHING else that's available. The first example of a Star Trek Superweapon is that trick with the Main Deflector that the Enterprise-D used in "The Best of Both Worlds". Yeah, it didn't work, but that's because the Borg assimilated Captain Picard and were able to pre-adapt. If they hadn't assimilated Picard, the Main Deflector Cannon would have worked. So, Superweapons are definite Anti-Borg strategies we could use (or at least think up!!!).

So, who wants to share their superweapon first?:)

Activate... The Photonic Canon :cool::eek:

[KiraYamatoX20A]

Activate... The Photonic Canon :cool::eek:

That's a good name for a Superweapon, but a Superweapon is more than just a name. It needs to have stats and a backstory--what does it do? When was it developed? Did it have an Official Development Project, or was it an Improvised Weapon?

Those are the kinds of questions that need to be answered by someone describing a Superweapon. So, Riska, what's the lowdown on your Photonic Cannon?

[Riska]

That's a good name for a Superweapon, but a Superweapon is more than just a name. It needs to have stats and a backstory--what does it do? When was it developed? Did it have an Official Development Project, or was it an Improvised Weapon?

Those are the kinds of questions that need to be answered by someone describing a Superweapon. So, Riska, what's the lowdown on your Photonic Cannon?

I must confess, I stole it off a Voyager episode where the Doctor has been hacked by a scavenger race, and he has been day dreaming about all the women of voyager loving him, and becoming the Emergency Command Hologram. His Photonic Canon can destroy a borg cube in one shot (which kinda looks like the Emporer's lightning strikes from Star Wars). It was said to be a weapon supposedly impervious to all conventional sensors :D

[Father_Origin]

Will the borg return...of course

are they the returning evil...nope. They are keeping that one a secret


could be a bunch of things though...even though many Trek fans have mixed feeling about
The Enterprise series...the sphere builders might fit the build

wild guess on my part

[KiraYamatoX20A]

I must confess, I stole it off a Voyager episode where the Doctor has been hacked by a scavenger race, and he has been day dreaming about all the women of voyager loving him, and becoming the Emergency Command Hologram. His Photonic Canon can destroy a borg cube in one shot (which kinda looks like the Emporer's lightning strikes from Star Wars). It was said to be a weapon supposedly impervious to all conventional sensors :D

Ah--nothing to worry about. My Superweapon Idea is sorta a rehash of TNG's Main Deflector Cannon trick--only with several improvements. First, any ship with my Main Deflector Cannon would have its Main Deflector Dish reinforced--so the Cannon doesn't burn out the dish in one shot.;) Second, my Main Deflector Cannon would have much higher power output--and it would constantly re-modulate its EM Wavelength so it's much harder for the Borg to adapt. And finally, any ship with my Main Deflector Cannon would have to use a much more powerful Warp Core than normal--so that the Cannon doesn't burn out the Warp Core with one shot.;)

And that's my version of the Main Deflector Cannon. Thoughts?

[Riska]

Ah--nothing to worry about. My Superweapon Idea is sorta a rehash of TNG's Main Deflector Cannon trick--only with several improvements. First, any ship with my Main Deflector Cannon would have its Main Deflector Dish reinforced--so the Cannon doesn't burn out the dish in one shot. Second, my Main Deflector Cannon would have much higher power output--and it would constantly re-modulate its EM Wavelength so it's much harder for the Borg to adapt. And finally, any ship with my Main Deflector Cannon would have to use a much more powerful Warp Core than normal--so that the Cannon doesn't burn out the Warp Core with one shot.

And that's my version of the Main Deflector Cannon. Thoughts?

I like it! A few things that spring to mind: if you need a more powerful warpcore, would you need a bigger ship to house it? In which case, would you be sacraficing manouverability to implement it? How long would it take to charge, and would your shields hold out with so much power being directed to the deflector dish?

[KiraYamatoX20A]

Actually, I have an Idea for another Superweapon--the Positron Cannon!!!:D However, I have no idea how presicely this thing works--The Positron Cannon is one of the strongest weapons available in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED and Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny (Two REALLY good Anime series!!!:D). Of course, the Positron Cannon is never simply called the Positron Cannon in Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny--it always has another name. The Warship Archangel's Positron Cannon was called the Lohengrin, and the Warship Minerva's Positron Cannon was called the Tannhauser. Staying true to that form, if the Positron Cannon were deployed in STO, each player who got one would be able to give it a name that they wanted.

What do you think?

[Riska]

Actually, I have an Idea for another Superweapon--the Positron Cannon!!!:D However, I have no idea how presicely this thing works--The Positron Cannon is one of the strongest weapons available in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED and Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny (Two REALLY good Anime series!!!:D). Of course, the Positron Cannon is never simply called the Positron Cannon in Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny--it always has another name. The Warship Archangel's Positron Cannon was called the Lohengrin, and the Warship Minerva's Positron Cannon was called the Tannhauser. Staying true to that form, if the Positron Cannon were deployed in STO, each player who got one would be able to give it a name that they wanted.

What do you think?

Reminds me of the Mako Canon from Final Fantasy 7 :D but perhaps with a name more in keeping with the Star Trek mythos

[KiraYamatoX20A]

I like it! A few things that spring to mind: if you need a more powerful warpcore, would you need a bigger ship to house it? In which case, would you be sacraficing manouverability to implement it? How long would it take to charge, and would your shields hold out with so much power being directed to the deflector dish?

I didn't say "a bigger Warp Core", I said "a more powerful Warp Core". More Powerful does not directly translate to Larger--I'm sure someone in the Star Trek Universe focuses on researching this, trying to make a Warp Core Produce more power without making it larger. I mean, the Defiant-Class is pretty small, and yet it's got a really powerful Warp Core. That said, I will concede the point that you'd probably need a Heavy Exploration Vessel for the Main Deflector Cannon--they often do have the most powerful Warp Cores. So, you probably wouldn't sacrifice manouverability in your class to implement it, but you'd need a Class from the Heavy Explorer Category, and they probably don't have too much manouverability to begin with.

As for Charge Time, I don't want it to take TOO long (meaning you'd have to keep it constantly charged), and I also don't want the Charge Duration to be too short (meaning you'd be firing these things off like there was no tomorrow). I'd say 5-10 minutes of time for an initial charge on average, with a 10-15 minute cooldown before you can start charging again.

And for the Shield Question, it really depends on your Chief Engineer. A really good Chief Engineer would be able to divert power from nonessential systems, thus reducing impact on essential systems such as shields. Also, you could choose to go turtle while charging this thing, diverting all power from your other weapons (as well as your engines) into the Cannon and diverting every last bit of energy not going into the Cannon into your shields, hoping your shields would hold out until the charge was complete.

[FedCaptain_Jared]

I would love to have the Species 8472's weapons. It would be awesome to fire that at a borg cube and destroy and they cant adapt or assimalite the technology, and with a few other ships you can destroy a planet. I have to say that would be the best weapon agaisnt the borg.

[KiraYamatoX20A]

I would love to have the Species 8472's weapons. It would be awesome to fire that at a borg cube and destroy and they cant adapt or assimalite the technology, and with a few other ships you can destroy a planet. I have to say that would be the best weapon agaisnt the borg.

Yeah, but that would involve trying to form an Alliance with Species 8472, and I doubt that they have any interest in Alliances--they'd rather kill us than join forces with us. And I would not want to be on the receiving end of Species 8472 Weaponry, believe you me!!!!:eek:

[FedCaptain_Jared]

But didn't Voyager kinda solve that problem by discovering that training station and then talking to them and convience them not to attack the Federation?

[KiraYamatoX20A]

But didn't Voyager kinda solve that problem by discovering that training station and then talking to them and convience them not to attack the Federation?

I don't know the exact details (I never watched that episode), but it's probably more like Voyager sent Species 8472 back to their home in Fluidic Space in a serious amount of hurt. However, that doesn't mean we haven't seen the last of Species 8472--they're probably building their forces and biding their time until they can come back in force and "purify" our galaxy.

[the_reaper87]

I don't know the exact details (I never watched that episode), but it's probably more like Voyager sent Species 8472 back to their home in Fluidic Space in a serious amount of hurt. However, that doesn't mean we haven't seen the last of Species 8472--they're probably building their forces and biding their time until they can come back in force and "purify" our galaxy.

Nope, they made a treaty or something, even gave them a sample of those Nanoprobs that harm them.

[KiraYamatoX20A]

Nope, they made a treaty or something, even gave them a sample of those Nanoprobs that harm them.

hmmm..... Obviously, that took place in an episode I never even read about, let alone watched (About the Only Voyager Episodes I really watched were the Premiere and the Finale--I read about some of the other Voyager Episodes on Memory Alpha, but obviously not all of them [Although I DID manage to watch "Message in a Bottle" recently on YouTube--very interesting episode!!!:D])

[sithmace]

I personaly think that having a weapon that will allow you to even cripple never mind destroying a borg cube in a few shots would be very very boring, seeing as before the Voyager technology came around it took more then a hand full of ships to lay the smack down on a cube.

I probly wouldnt be satisfied if i DIDNT get my arse handed to me if i ran into a borg sphere or cube in anything smaller then an akira class =O lol

There is alot of things they can do with the borg to create well made server wide events "hey did you hear that deep space (insert station number) sent a transmition earlyer today. It appears a distress call was made before the station was destroyed, the images confirm 3 large vessels approaching earth..."

lol so im not a story writer but you get the drift, one fleet contacts another, then another tells another, next thing you know half of starfleets warping to earths aid lol

[CaptainHoliday]

Nobody has discussed the OP.

Will the Borg show up like they did in the Relaunch novels? Star Trek: Resistance and Star Trek: Destiny?

[KiraYamatoX20A]

I personaly think that having a weapon that will allow you to even cripple never mind destroying a borg cube in a few shots would be very very boring, seeing as before the Voyager technology came around it took more then a hand full of ships to lay the smack down on a cube.

I probly wouldnt be satisfied if i DIDNT get my arse handed to me if i ran into a borg sphere or cube in anything smaller then an akira class =O lol

There is alot of things they can do with the borg to create well made server wide events "hey did you hear that deep space (insert station number) sent a transmition earlyer today. It appears a distress call was made before the station was destroyed, the images confirm 3 large vessels approaching earth..."

lol so im not a story writer but you get the drift, one fleet contacts another, then another tells another, next thing you know half of starfleets warping to earths aid lol

Those "Boring Weapons", as you call them, may indeed be unnecessary for a single Borg Vessel. However, suppose that the Borg send an entire fleet our way (multiple Cubes, hordes of Diamonds, who-knows-how-many Spheres, a couple of Tactical Cubes, and maybe even a Fusion Cube or two:eek:). We'll probably need at least one Superweapon then!!!!

For standard missions, Anti-Borg Superweapons (if mounted on your ship) would be equipped with a Firing Lock Mechanism (or FLM). The FLM ensures that the Superweapon could not be fired without inputting the proper Activation Key Code. If you had an Anti-Borg Superweapon, you would be given the proper Activation Key Code for your FLM. However, you would need more than the Key Code. Fleet Admirals also would be given a Verbal Authorization Code which, when spoken across their fleet's main comm channel, would activate the FLM, enabling individual Captains to input their Activation Key Codes, release the Firing Lock, and power up their Superweapons. Also, my magazines of Transphasic Torpedoes would also be locked by an FLM, so I couldn't use them unless my Fleet Admiral Authorized their use. I figure that's the best way to ensure that Anti-Borg Superweapons (and Transphasic Torpedoes) don't get abused by players as an "instant-win" feature.

[THORN74]

Along with Annika Hansen AKA Seven, I am anxiously waiting the return of the Borg, which we know will happen because of screenshots. Will they be the ancient threat that returns?

I wonder if Cryptic will follow the events of the Star Trek Destiny series, which are popular, or Resistance or the upcoming Losing The Peace.

The Borg devastate the Federation. I wonder if they will devastate the Federation in the STO universe.

Any thoughts?

back to our regularly scheduled program.......

the devs said they looked at all sources, but are cherry picking from NON-CANON sources. So given that the Borg are essentially neutralized in the Destiny trilogy (which takes place BEFORE STO), and we know they are in STO; it pretty safe to say they are ignoring this set of books.

as for the ancient threat, well i am still going for a TOS enemy like the Kelvin Empire

[starwind99]

All I know if the Borg do return and i do face them in combat when they get aboard its ramming speed at least I hope that's possible. :cool:

unfortunatly I never read the novels so I cant speak to them.

[Mithril_Merc]

ya, but i think a major question should be, will the borg be a bunch of panzies, or will they make them like they were in WOLF 359....

i think it would be way fun to fight a borg that would be nearly imposable to kill! get a huge fleet together and take them down.

[Drakxii]

I wonder if Cryptic will follow the events of the Star Trek Destiny series, which are popular, or Resistance or the upcoming Losing The Peace.

The Borg devastate the Federation. I wonder if they will devastate the Federation in the STO universe.

Any thoughts?

As much as I like the relaunch novels... well most of them. (Resistance is pretty bad) I REALLY REALLY hope STO doesn't take them at all canon.

Why because they GREATLY change the setting(they did send what 7000 cubes?).

Also I hope borg are held back for fleet level engagements. I don't think they should be cannon fodder, but at the same time I hope they arn't nearly as strong as Destiny borg. I like my borg first contact style.

[CaptainHoliday]

As much as I like the relaunch novels... well most of them. (Resistance is pretty bad) I REALLY REALLY hope STO doesn't take them at all canon.

Why because they GREATLY change the setting(they did send what 7000 cubes?).

Also I hope borg are held back for fleet level engagements. I don't think they should be cannon fodder, but at the same time I hope they arn't nearly as strong as Destiny borg. I like my borg first contact style.

I disagree. I would not mind the coming back in a BIG way. They are a fun enemy.

But I don't think Cryptic will make them TOO hard to kill. They don't the Borg conflict to get in the way of exploration and other gameplay.

So no, probably the Borg won't come back like Destiny and conquer the Federation, or come close to it.

[gargamehl]

hmmmm...borg, fight....

Ver A): Borgs are a "Raid-Boss"....
Raid-party, at lest 20 ships, max 50, "transwarp-portal" to a unknown sector, fight your way through the deff.-lines, kill the queen, after queen is killed, intact borgs warp out and you can "loot" destroyes borgs...and the queen-ship has some special loot......but that sounds too mutch like a WoW-clone, so bad idea

Ver B): borg are a random-thread against randomly coosen side
the cube flighs directly to the homeworld, fast, but not to fast to not reache the thing. ships, strong enough for a small fight can encounter; small raid-parties. are you good enough, hold on the cube long enough, make enough damage, the cube flees, throwing some goodies over board

Ver C): borgs have their own territory
a high-level-enemy, only survive-able, when you reach "end-contend", special loot, raw materials or something


and about your super-guns, guys and girls......dream on^^
why? - simple
balance is the word..... when you have them, your opponends must have them too, so you need deff-systems against that guns, the enemy has that technology too.....maby , when game reaches release and some time pass by, the power of the guns rise....but not at the beginning

[the_reaper87]

As much as I like the relaunch novels... well most of them. (Resistance is pretty bad) I REALLY REALLY hope STO doesn't take them at all canon.

Why because they GREATLY change the setting(they did send what 7000 cubes?).

Also I hope borg are held back for fleet level engagements. I don't think they should be cannon fodder, but at the same time I hope they arn't nearly as strong as Destiny borg. I like my borg first contact style.

They really sent 7000 Cubes?

Why when it's so damm hard for a fleet to take down just one Cube would they send 7000?

If it wasn't for "I'm a recovering borg" Jean Luc, the federation probably would have been done for in First Contact.

[Riska]

and about your super-guns, guys and girls......dream on^^


You mean... no epix l00tz? :( i want my Photonic Canon! And it want big purple writing above it. And I want it to increase my Mana regen by..... wait....what?

[ValarianShar]

Actually I would rather fight Borg cubes as we have seen in the movies. I mean, it would be very exciting and dramatic for us to gather several ships to fight one single Borg cube. If they do the Borg Cubes to be defeated in an one-on-one fight I would be very disappointed as they would remove the fear factor that made the Borg so cool.

[anarcus]

that's abit presuming isn't it the borg do assimulate don't they who would't be tempted to be locutus
or another viceroy only to the queen hell only if the developers themselves serves as viceroy
it would put a face to the enemy some malcontent being with way too much power with some
serious retreat or suffer attitude that all players would be forced to rally or be destroyed by futile
individual effort

[Riska]

Tribble Borg. Resistance is futile.

[anarcus]

that's abit presuming isn't it the borg do assimulate don't they who would't be tempted to be locutus
or another viceroy only to the queen hell only if the developers themselves serves as viceroy
it would put a face to the enemy some malcontent being with way too much power with some
serious retreat or suffer attitude that all players would be forced to rally or be destroyed by futile
individual effort

[firstof9]

Dang I hate being forced to play the 'good guys' all the time :(
This is why I used to play City of Villians :D

[Loekii]

I personaly think that having a weapon that will allow you to even cripple never mind destroying a borg cube in a few shots would be very very boring, seeing as before the Voyager technology came around it took more then a hand full of ships to lay the smack down on a cube.

I probly wouldnt be satisfied if i DIDNT get my arse handed to me if i ran into a borg sphere or cube in anything smaller then an akira class =O lol

There is alot of things they can do with the borg to create well made server wide events "hey did you hear that deep space (insert station number) sent a transmition earlyer today. It appears a distress call was made before the station was destroyed, the images confirm 3 large vessels approaching earth..."

lol so im not a story writer but you get the drift, one fleet contacts another, then another tells another, next thing you know half of starfleets warping to earths aid lol

I agree.

The Borg should NEVER be defeated by a single player, and the idea of 'super weapons' is just boring and unimaginative.

The Borg should only be defeatable by proper large scale coordination.

I think the Borg should be like the Named Griff in EQ -- basically lethal to any single or lower Tier ship, and requiring a concerted effort by the ships in the area to drive them off.

The last thing I care to see in STO is people 'farming' Borg Cubes, or Borg-Epeening.

[PlanGuy]

I think Borg cubes should be epic level enemies that take large groups to take on. The Borg do have other class ships, and those would be the ships that an individual can take on. I think some sources have shown the borg have smaller rectangle class ships, and the game could make up some other small scout craft. It would be kind of cool, fighting and barely winning against a craft that is expressly classified as one of the Borg's weakest crafts.

As for Borg being a player faction I think I know a way for it to work. You could be given command of a small borg craft "Captained" by an entity like Locutus. This "Individual" would not be a true individual but would simply be a sort of focal point for the collective to use to interact with other species. A spokesperson to facilitate other species inevitable assimilation. Locutus was supposed to be unique, I think, but who is to say that the Borg's recent defeats might not have altered some of their strategies?

[jagerbolt]

Didn't Craig mention in an interview that there would be server wide events that required both factions to work together to defeat, like a Borg Cube invasion?

I'll be pretty disappointed if a Cube warped in and was taken out by only 3-4 ships. What makes the Borg so awesome is how powerful and devastating they are when they invade.

[Riska]

Didn't Craig mention in an interview that there would be server wide events that required both factions to work together to defeat, like a Borg Cube invasion?

I'll be pretty disappointed if a Cube warped in and was taken out by only 3-4 ships. What makes the Borg so awesome is how powerful and devastating they are when they invade.

Problem is that STO is set in 2409, 32 years after voyager returned to earth. Since that time, I imagine the federation's arsenal has greatly improved, especially with all the data voyager recorded when fighting the Borg, along with Seven's recomendation - nevermind the fact that the federation's weapons would have improved regrdless, just as they always have over time. It's not unreasonable to assume that the federation is much more equiped to fend off a single Borg vessel then say, in FIrst Contact.

[PlanGuy]

The Borg could have advanced similarly in the amount of time they've been dormant, though. They could still be a viable threat.

[Riska]

The Borg could have advanced similarly in the amount of time they've been dormant, though. They could still be a viable threat.

True, though is it likely they would have improved that much after such a blow they received, including losing the queen? I doubt they have had much contact with species they have never assimilated before as they rebuild what they had, even after thirty odd years.

[gentech]

The borg will not be playable, and will probably never will be

sure but it would be cool though

[PlanGuy]

The blow they recieved could have resulted in uncharacteristic innovation amongst the Borg. They could have folded in on themselves and learned to advance without assimilation, though assimilation would still be one of their main drives. Que a dire threat near forgotten returning, more dangerous then ever.

[the_reaper87]

True, though is it likely they would have improved that much after such a blow they received, including losing the queen? I doubt they have had much contact with species they have never assimilated before as they rebuild what they had, even after thirty odd years.

Losing the Queen? Wasn't that like the 3rd or 4th Queen they've "lost"?

[Riska]

Losing the Queen? Wasn't that like the 3rd or 4th Queen they've "lost"?

Perhaps before they do anything, they need to assimilate a species and implement a tracking device on them. Or at least stop making her so accessible...

[Zindelon]

The one thing that I have always wanted to do, even more so after playing the last level of ST: Legacy, was to fight in a Borg invasion much like the battle of Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001. I agree that super weapons would be kind of a bad idea, at least at the beginning. But they need to make Borg cubes be strong enough to take on a small fleet of ships. And then Tactical Cubes need to be 10 times stronger than regular ones.

[Captain_Hawk]

I hope the Borg wont be a playable race. What would the motivation be for rp? I must assimilate you... LOL. I wouldn't mind the Borg being an evil npc race though. If we had to every once in a while stop a cube from invading a certain territory or what not. And by the way, I'm only on book two of the Destiny series so I have no idea what waits for me in the darkness.

[wrldchampyanks]

i hope the borg make a return that will bring all fleet into play

me too, i would love a giant borg invasion to bring all the fleets together

[the_reaper87]

I hope the Borg wont be a playable race. What would the motivation be for rp? I must assimilate you... LOL. I wouldn't mind the Borg being an evil npc race though. If we had to every once in a while stop a cube from invading a certain territory or what not. And by the way, I'm only on book two of the Destiny series so I have no idea what waits for me in the darkness.

I wouldn't say the Borg where Evil, it's like saying a loin is Evil for hunting gazelles. It's not the Borg that people fear, it's what they are. People fear what would become of them if they encounter the Borg, the loss of ones self, an immortal slave with no voice.

Unless of course, there's a Time Line meddling Captain... I mean Admiral is nearby, then your a dead slave with no voice, or a sex symbol for a new generation.

[Loekii]

True, though is it likely they would have improved that much after such a blow they received, including losing the queen? I doubt they have had much contact with species they have never assimilated before as they rebuild what they had, even after thirty odd years.

I disagree.

The Borg are all about adaptation, as well as forward progression. Even with their set back, they probably have progressed much faster than the Federation.

Then you have the dissolution of the Borg task force, per Cryptics article: Path to 2409: 2385 Supplemental Log (http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline/2385.1). So the focus has been off Borg defense for more than 2 decades.

And then you have the game play stand point. it would be rather boring and unimmersive for the Borg to be a trivial Enemy.

[Rivaris]

yeah i hope the borg will be strong and remain npc so they can be scaled up in power as the game progresses.

100-200 ships need to take 1 down would be very nice it will probarly be less then that tho.
it would be a very big Disappointment if you see a scout ship face roll his keyboard vs a borg tactical cube and kills it.

yeah there will be much qq about it if there that strong. but who would divert from there course or mission when you get a distresscall that a borg cube has entered a system if you can take it down with 5 ships. i wont because it will probarly be death when you get there.

i rahter see them so strong you need to wait for people to arrive and gather up then all engage warp at the same time and then have a nice epic battle for 30min+

[Riska]

I disagree.

The Borg are all about adaptation, as well as forward progression. Even with their set back, they probably have progressed much faster than the Federation.

Then you have the dissolution of the Borg task force, per Cryptics article: Path to 2409: 2385 Supplemental Log (http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline/2385.1). So the focus has been off Borg defense for more than 2 decades.

And then you have the game play stand point. it would be rather boring and unimmersive for the Borg to be a trivial Enemy.


Indeed it would, but it would be rather boring on the flip side to need 30 ships in order to bring 1 cube down. How would that translate to an invasion? I'm not saying they should be trivial or lightweight, that wouldn't make for any sort of achievement. And yes, the task force was disbanded, but that's not to say some elements of what Seven brought to the table wern't implemented into all federation ships. I can see your point, and I do agree with you that the borg should still outclass the federation, i'm just saying there needs to be a reasonable limit to that superiority from a gaming standpoint.

[darkape]

Loot? Nah. XP? Sure why not. But to be able to say, "I laid the smackdown on a Borg Cube?" Priceless! :D

Well, remerber Worf 359 : 1 Borg Cube destroyed dozens if not more of Federation battleships ...

So a mission against the borg on alone PvE would be more scouting/snipe/commando than, well, "conan the barabarian" type of mission.

An for battle, I can imagine 24 player vs 1 cube, maybe a cube and a few sphere ...

But 1 on 1 against a cube would not be realistic ...

[darkape]

Indeed it would, but it would be rather boring on the flip side to need 30 ships in order to bring 1 cube down. How would that translate to an invasion? I'm not saying they should be trivial or lightweight, that wouldn't make for any sort of achievement. And yes, the task force was disbanded, but that's not to say some elements of what Seven brought to the table wern't implemented into all federation ships. I can see your point, and I do agree with you that the borg should still outclass the federation, i'm just saying there needs to be a reasonable limit to that superiority from a gaming standpoint.

My guess is that when the "Borg" missions arises, player will recieve some new technology from the Daystrom institute (so seven of nine) and maybe even technology brought from the future by Janeway in "End Game" ... it would balance the conflict, I guess

[nulian]

They really sent 7000 Cubes?

Why when it's so damm hard for a fleet to take down just one Cube would they send 7000?

If it wasn't for "I'm a recovering borg" Jean Luc, the federation probably would have been done for in First Contact.

Spoiler for book

Well the borg got enough from human kind and messing with them so they send enough ships to wipe every planet out in romulan federation and klingon space.

Borg are created by accident combination of highly advanced alien species and few humans from the NX-2 ship columnbia and time travel to the past.

At the end the borg are totally removed from the galaxy so if they would follow destiny no borg ever in star trek online.

[Kazzy]

Yes, and now it means that they can finally write about something other than the Borg

[cocoa-jin]

We never left...we are always watching...and waiting. We will make our presence known within the Alpha and Beta quadrants again...in due time.

You will once again feel the warm embrace of the Collective...or lay broken beneath our feet. Its just the natural way of things.

[Arachnidus]

See the problem with that is if you cause that kind of damage, your likely to take out your allies in the fight as well.

Though if you only have Klingon help with fighting the Cube, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

Oh, definitely. It all comes down to semantics, really.

[the_reaper87]

Spoiler for book

Well the borg got enough from human kind and messing with them so they send enough ships to wipe every planet out in romulan federation and klingon space.

Borg are created by accident combination of highly advanced alien species and few humans from the NX-2 ship columnbia and time travel to the past.

At the end the borg are totally removed from the galaxy so if they would follow destiny no borg ever in star trek online.

This makes Reaper's head hurt.