An "Official" Wiki?

[TerranRich]

I'd like to announce the (unofficial) Star Trek Online Wiki available at http://stowiki.org ! Come one, come all, please join in the process of helping the wiki to grow and expand. We need your help!

ORIGINAL POST:
Being both a professional web developer AND a die-hard Star Trek fan (and planning on getting this game the minute it's released), I of course had the idea of creating a comprehensive wiki (much like WoW has wowwiki.com and Star Trek has memory-alpha.org). However, upon initial research, I've found several sites pointing to www.stogeek.com as the "official" wiki for Star Trek Online.

The thing is, the game hasn't even come out yet, and already there are pictures of in-game content. That's my first concern, and question: How can there be an extensive wiki on something that hasn't even been released yet? Where is all this information coming from?

Secondly, there are a lot of articles that don't really make any sense in relation to Star Trek Online. There is a lot of fan fiction and other information that seemingly has nothing to do with the game.

I would really love to take on the challenge of creating, designing, developing, skinning, and hosting a Star Trek Online wiki that people could use as a reliable resource and a source of accurate in-game information. But I need to know if it's worth the effort, and if I didn't dig deep enough into the STO Geek website to determine if competing with it was worth it at all.

[Tamgros]

There really isn't much actual information about the game yet, so the STOgeek really can't be that extensive about real things.

I do know that a lot of people have already been putting there bios and stuff on the STO forums, so you do have to compete with some superfluous info.

I for, for one, will be a contributer to the STO wiki so I'd like for there to be uniformity so I don't have to dual post. I don't know if it's worth, but at this point if you do a much better job, it's still early enough to become the accepted STO wiki.. That 's just my opinion though.

[ransomwk]

That site appears to be more of a framework than anything else. The articles seem to be either examples of how to write a page or place holders.

[Transwarp]

Looking forward to something like this.

[ngille]

You get it up and running and I'll be there.

[TerranRich]

Wow, thank you for the replies guys! I'm looking at WoWWiki.com as an example of not only a similar genre of wikis, but also how extensive the information should be. WoWWiki goes so far as to even have mouse-overs for in-game items that look just like the in-game mouseovers, replete with information about usage, item level, etc.

I will strive to make this wiki one of the best gaming wikis in existence.

Now I just gotta decide between STO-wiki.com, STOwiki.org, or possibly another domain name entirely. Thanks for the support guys!

[Azurian]

I really wish Paramount would makes an official Star Trek Online Encyclopedia, like Lucasarts did with Star Wars. It would be wonderful to have dedicated sections for "Behind the Scenes" with notes from the Cast and Crew that lead to that development, so it wouldn't be lost to time.


So until then, I'm going to use Memory Alpha. Because I really hate when fanworks get intermixed with canon, it confuses people and those inexperienced start to cite fan fiction as canon.

[ngille]

Azurian, I don't think he's trying to compete with memory alpha at all. He's trying to create a wiki solely (sp) for STO somethign which I personally applaud.

TerranRich, sounds like you've bitten off quite a mouthfull, here's hoping you got a big mouth ;)

[Azurian]

Well then, I'm all for it. :D

There will be times where people will get stuck and a dedicated STO website might have the information one seeks. I'm sure those who played other MMOS used such websites like Allazaham to look up quests and such.

If someone does it, all I ask is that it's organized and keep out the arrogance. ;)

[TerranRich]

I'm the most down-to-earth and un-arrogant person this side of the Great Barrier. ;) And yes, it's an STO wiki, not the entire Trekverse. :)

[TerranRich]

Would STOKB.com be a good domain name? It would stand for Star Trek Online: Knowledge Base. It's short, easy enough to remember, and makes sense.

[Azurian]

I'm not sure, but I don't think you can specifically use "Star Trek Online" as part of your title, due to copyrights. And personally, it needs more umph. Because looks like people would be calling it "stoke".

Perhaps make it somewhat fan friendly. For example: "Terran's Tavern" or "Terran's Space Station" or " Terrans's Database Exchange."

[ScouseSandwich]

Any of the web addresses you suggested were good in my opinion, I think what your going to do is a great idea. STOKB has a nice ring to it.

[Trixxe]

STOuniversewiki?

It's a mouthfull, but it gets the point across.

Make sure you post when you've got it up.

And thank you for doing this.

[Tamgros]

I'm not sure, but I don't think you can specifically use "Star Trek Online" as part of your title, due to copyrights. And personally, it needs more umph. Because looks like people would be calling it "stoke".

Perhaps make it somewhat fan friendly. For example: "Terran's Tavern" or "Terran's Space Station" or " Terrans's Database Exchange."

I don't think that using the acronym "STO" would be going against copyrights. I also think that he only has to worry about copyrights if he is looking to make profits. All that would take is him putting adds on his site though.

Personally, STOwiki.org makes the most sense to me, but it doesn't matter as long as it's easy to remember.

[Meehile]

Wow, thank you for the replies guys! I'm looking at WoWWiki.com as an example of not only a similar genre of wikis, but also how extensive the information should be. WoWWiki goes so far as to even have mouse-overs for in-game items that look just like the in-game mouseovers, replete with information about usage, item level, etc.

I will strive to make this wiki one of the best gaming wikis in existence.

Now I just gotta decide between STO-wiki.com, STOwiki.org, or possibly another domain name entirely. Thanks for the support guys!


The Star Wars Galaxies wiki is also well done, and I would recommend taking a look at it if you need research help.

This would be an enormous task because of the complete nature it must eventually take on. You will need to have complete info on things like:

1) Lore of the game - by this I mean the lore that is written into the game itself. The general Star Trek canon is already covered by wiki sites.

2) Complete quest guide - this will develop over time as players make the discoveries and Cryptic makes things public.

3) Complete beastiary - pics, stats, names, locations, everything about every creature in the game.

4) NPC roster - what quests they give, why they are important, what they might sell, etc.

5) Item catalog - everything from vendor trash to endgame epic to quest items to joke items. All must be catalogged for easy research.

6) Atlas - all planets, stars, and other astronomical ingame locations. Each planet's geography must also be covered.

There are even more things that would eventually need to be covered. I wish you well in this project.

[TerranRich]

I'm not to sure about the copyright issues, but I believe using a trademarked name is all right as long as it's a reference site like the one I'm doing. And yeah, I think monetizing the site would cause some problems. I think WoWWiki.com is monetized, but it might be Wikia doing it, not the people that run the wiki.

[ngille]

I had mentioned .com as here in the states, that's the first one people will try to use. Folks may remember the name but not the extension. If .com doesn't work, people will usually try .net. If .net doesn't work they assume they got the url wrong and give up.

[Trixxe]

The Star Wars Galaxies wiki is also well done, and I would recommend taking a look at it if you need research help.

This would be an enormous task because of the complete nature it must eventually take on. You will need to have complete info on things like:

1) Lore of the game - by this I mean the lore that is written into the game itself. The general Star Trek canon is already covered by wiki sites.

2) Complete quest guide - this will develop over time as players make the discoveries and Cryptic makes things public.

3) Complete beastiary - pics, stats, names, locations, everything about every creature in the game.

4) NPC roster - what quests they give, why they are important, what they might sell, etc.

5) Item catalog - everything from vendor trash to endgame epic to quest items to joke items. All must be catalogged for easy research.

6) Atlas - all planets, stars, and other astronomical ingame locations. Each planet's geography must also be covered.

There are even more things that would eventually need to be covered. I wish you well in this project.

If it got enough community supprt, and everyone contributed, I think we could have a really decent wiki. I know I'd be willing to.

[Tamgros]

If it got enough community supprt, and everyone contributed, I think we could have a really decent wiki. I know I'd be willing to.

There have been several in my guild who have expressed interest as well. We have a sloppy wiki thread right now at our BoK website. Well formatted wikis are much better though.

[TerranRich]

Kurzu: I understand all of the information required for such a wiki project, and I am ready to get the details right for the behemoth of a website it will soon become. :D

As for the .com/.org debate, www.memory-alpha.org does fine for having a .org address AND a hyphen. If you go to any of the other versions (i.e., MemoryAlpha.com, MemoryAlpha.org, Memory-Alpha.com), there's nothing there. Haven't tried .net though.

I personally don't think it's that bad to have a .org address, as it's technically a non-profit website. ;) But in all seriousness, I don't foresee many problems, as long as people bookmark the site... and with enough effort it could appear near the top of Google searches for STO information.

[ngille]

Works for me, let me know if I can help ya in any way.

[Trixxe]

I'm pretty sure once it's up and running, that we might be able to twist a MODs arm into giving it a sticky.

[Trekkie]

I think that a community-driven wiki for the game would be a great thing, and if enough people participated I could certainly see Cryptic Studios making it the "official" wiki for the game. I will definitely continue to monitor this thread, and I am looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with!

[TerranRich]

I've secured www.stowiki.org as a domain name, but until it resolves, the wiki can be found at http://stowiki.shutupload.com (under the main domain name attached to the web host) for now. It's still being altered and skinned, and might change drastically at a moment's notice.

[Sherp]

STOGeek.com (the "STO Geekipedia") is an STO roleplaying site. It's designed for people to upload information about their characters, their ships, their fleets, etc. So I don't think you'll see much competition from there.

StarTrek-Online.net predates this website by several years; it was an unofficial but very popular discussion forum. Perpetual Entertainment (the STO developer at the time) never game them any trouble about the name that I found out about, and in fact eventually declared them to be the official STO message board. (STOnet shut down shortly after Perpetual's demise.)

I wouldn't be terribly worried about Cryptic suing you for including "Star Trek Online" in the name. They are right here, though, so you can ask, and it's never too early to establish good diplomatic relations. :)

[TerranRich]

Thank you for the clarification as to STOgeek.com's origins and purpose.

STOwiki.org will be dedicated to (1) in-game canon set forth in news updates and game documentation, and (2) in-game information taken from item descriptions, in-game descriptions, etc. Nothing more. If it's not official, it won't be in the wiki. There will be a strict canon policy written very soon, detailing what can and cannot be included in the wiki.

It won't be geared toward role-playing information, as that is made up on the spot by players and fans, and is not "official" canon. STOwiki.org will be to Star Trek Online, as Memory Alpha is to Star Trek, or WoWWiki.com is to World of Warcraft. :)

[bobalobabingbong]

Check it out, it has been going good. Articles are forming, but only a couple of us are working on it. We need more people! :)

[Xenoshaft]

Wow, thank you for the replies guys! I'm looking at WoWWiki.com as an example of not only a similar genre of wikis, but also how extensive the information should be. WoWWiki goes so far as to even have mouse-overs for in-game items that look just like the in-game mouseovers, replete with information about usage, item level, etc.

I will strive to make this wiki one of the best gaming wikis in existence.

Now I just gotta decide between STO-wiki.com, STOwiki.org, or possibly another domain name entirely. Thanks for the support guys!

Considering the star trek following has mostly been viewed as geeks/nerds..... Our wiki better freaking rock!

[bobalobabingbong]

Considering the star trek following has mostly been viewed as geeks/nerds..... Our wiki better freaking rock!

It already does!! TerranRich has done a great job getting the site up and running, and we have been adding content since. But we need your help to keep rocking!

[Paulo999]

meh i prefere this one http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Main_Page

[bobalobabingbong]

meh i prefere this one http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Main_Page

The OP said it best: "How can there be an extensive wiki on something that hasn't even been released yet? Where is all this information coming from?"

Like how does stogeek know there will be a Vulcan language institute?

Thanks for the bump though ;)

STOWiki.org is getting its info from this site only. There will be no speculation there. It will be dedicated to in game content only. Such as missions, and whatnot

[blujester]

looks awsome so for guys..Bookmarked and eagerly awaiting for it to fill up.



Bj

[bobalobabingbong]

looks awsome so for guys..Bookmarked and eagerly awaiting for it to fill up.



Bj

Thanks! It will get there. Why don't you come by and add some stuff? :)

[blujester]

Thanks! It will get there. Why don't you come by and add some stuff? :)

Lol....

I don't think you really want a dyslxic, alchoholic, Pirate editing your site. But thanks for the offer :)



Bj

[bobalobabingbong]

Lol....

I don't think you really want a dyslxic, alchoholic, Pirate editing your site. But thanks for the offer :)



Bj

LOL, I suppose not, hehehe.

[Paulo999]

The OP said it best: "How can there be an extensive wiki on something that hasn't even been released yet? Where is all this information coming from?"

Like how does stogeek know there will be a Vulcan language institute?

Thanks for the bump though ;)

STOWiki.org is getting its info from this site only. There will be no speculation there. It will be dedicated to in game content only. Such as missions, and whatnot

Is there anything on there that gets on your nerves? lol.. its all fan made Ships, Toons, random species.. though i'll agree about the Terran empire getting comqured by the Klingon-Spoon head alliance.. thats a total lie :O


http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/USS_Alexandria << My favorite :P

[WinterPark1701]

http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/USS_Alexandria << My favorite :P

Looks like USS Voyager got a bad case of scoliosis.

A lot of the stuff on there now is just stuff you'd find on any trek wiki (I wrote a good part of the article on Jem'Hadar last night). I mean really how do we know that there will be Vulcans in a Trek RPG? Most of the rest are character and ship bios (1/3 good, 1/3 average, 1/3 I'z a 19 year old Fleets Admirals)

[bobalobabingbong]

Is there anything on there that gets on your nerves? lol.. its all fan made Ships, Toons, random species.. though i'll agree about the Terran empire getting comqured by the Klingon-Spoon head alliance.. thats a total lie :O


http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/USS_Alexandria << My favorite :P

I don't dislike it, it just seems to be more along the lines of Memory-Alpha.org. STOWiki will be for in game content only. Such as, items, ships, planets, maps, careers, missions, and anything else the game throws at us.

Your link is an example of what we're NOT doing on STOWiki.org. Is that ship in game? So you see, we are going to be different.

[Paulo999]

Looks like USS Voyager got a bad case of scoliosis.

A lot of the stuff on there now is just stuff you'd find on any trek wiki (I wrote a good part of the article on Jem'Hadar last night). I mean really how do we know that there will be Vulcans in a Trek RPG? Most of the rest are character and ship bios (1/3 good, 1/3 average, 1/3 I'z a 19 year old Fleets Admirals)

lol that vulcan stuff is evil... ignore the vulcans friends.. we must all come together and do what the new movie taught us... we must blow up vulcan.. why i hear you say? :O

1) cos i said so
2) pew
3) the vulcans are evil pointy ear elfs
4) more pew
5) just for the fun of it

but anyway lol.. some of its cool :D people like the freedom of creation :O

[Paulo999]

I don't dislike it, it just seems to be more along the lines of Memory-Alpha.org. STOWiki will be for in game content only. Such as, items, ships, planets, maps, careers, missions, and anything else the game throws at us.

Your link is an example of what we're NOT doing on STOWiki.org. Is that ship in game? So you see, we are going to be different.

oh right i get ya :P was completly thinking elsewhere lol

[bobalobabingbong]

oh right i get ya :P was completly thinking elsewhere lol

It's all good. We have now clarified for others who might have thought the same thing.

[Paulo999]

It's all good. We have now clarified for others who might have thought the same thing.

gonna follow people around and write a cool page about them lol? :O

[bobalobabingbong]

gonna follow people around and write a cool page about them lol? :O

Not hardly, lol

[Qrion]

The site is looking good so far. We've got a few people working on it now, but the more the merrier!

[Tanktreads]

Link me a video that explains VERY clearly how to work a wiki and i will do what i can to transfer Every thing we know about STO to the wiki... and yes I need a video, I am retarted when it comes to wikis I dont get them I cant navigate them the whole system is foreign to me, but if I get dipped into something slowly enough and I figure it out then I will work hard to help make it a sucess.

P.S. a forum associated with the wiki would be nice for people who intend to add and edit info for a extendd period (i.e. years) so if you could add a simple little one that would be awsome, if its totally innapproperiate then my apologies and no worries.

[bobalobabingbong]

Link me a video that explains VERY clearly how to work a wiki and i will do what i can to transfer Every thing we know about STO to the wiki... and yes I need a video, I am retarted when it comes to wikis I dont get them I cant navigate them the whole system is foreign to me, but if I get dipped into something slowly enough and I figure it out then I will work hard to help make it a sucess.

P.S. a forum associated with the wiki would be nice for people who intend to add and edit info for a extendd period (i.e. years) so if you could add a simple little one that would be awsome, if its totally innapproperiate then my apologies and no worries.
Here's a video I found, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsa2wyre14

There are also help pages to help you learn how.

We have a c community talk page for general things, and every page has it's own talk page. You should be just fine.
leave a message on my talk page if you need any more help: http://stowiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Bobalobabingbong

[Tanktreads]

thanks ill get started!

[Bedlam66]

Nice I just saw this and bookmarked the page.

[bobalobabingbong]

Nice I just saw this and bookmarked the page.

Awesome, glad to have you!

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=29864

[sir_theodorik]

I strongly support the adoption of STOwiki.org for in-game information. I'm sort of hoping that Cryptic will design the game that it won't be necessary to flip back and forth between game and web browser to get information, but a Wiki is a great way to make an instruction manual for newbies, go over end game strategies, and interpret data for ship-specs and Station mods.

[kkmccall]

Of all the Game Wiki's I have read through, & tried to navigate, I have to say Guild Wars (unofficial (http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)) Wiki has a nice layout that just makes it so easy to navigate & read the content. I've used it for years. This Wiki was out well over a year or more before the 'Official (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Main_Page)' wiki came out.

Both do an excellent job, the layout is easy to read & information easy to see. Of all the game wiki's I have experienced so far, the Guild Wars Wiki(s) are by far the most user friendly - in my opinion.

I was wondering if a Wiki for STO would start up - gamers need wiki's (well, I do anyway). If I'm going to have to fight a Bird of Prey, I'd like to know in advance where its weaknesses are, its Shield Strength, etc (npc), so I can form a strategy in advance.

Good luck with it :)

[Peregrine_Falcon]

Of the numerous Star Trek Online Wikis that people have started over the last few months in anticipation of the launch of Star Trek Online, I personally prefer and will be adding a ton of material to: http://stowiki.org/

I didn't care for STO Geekpedia because it's mostly a bunch of fleet RPing. That's great and all, but the game hasn't even been released yet, and they already have over 1,180 articles. Over 1,180 articles for a game that doesn't even exist yet! Wow. Obviously I won't be adding any information to that Wiki. I'd hate to see all of my work ending up being lost in the plethora of other, non-game related, information.

My plan, after the game is launched, is to add a ton of information to STO wiki and to present it in a well organized format. I feel this is especially important with weapons and equipment. A large chart that allows for a quick comparison between various items and then links to the page with more indepth information is the way I'd prefer to go.

[Wryce]

Keep up the great work!

*Bookmarked

[bobalobabingbong]

Thanks for the support guys!

[Inquizitor]

It seems a bit early for a Wiki. However if you commit yourself to keep ing things up to date and the infomration flowing you will ahve a good website. Critical to teh game itself. Just find yourself soe good people to help kepe thnigs updated and It'll do fine.
Be as detailed as you can. Don't just copy paste press release type stuff.

I can't count the number of times I've come across wikis for MMOs the just have old or preprelease infomration in them...

[TheGow]

I just checked out the site. Looks really nice.
I'll gladly throw up some articles once the game is released.

[Kanharn]

I find Wiki upto date and full of correct facts that are the same as the Dev posts on here.

As for game play footage that's out and about.,

Its CP giving them out to websites, game magazines, Events etc.. so they can review the game and generate interest.

CP have also been using IGN a lot.

Normal marketing tactics

[JadeEngima]

Of the numerous Star Trek Online Wikis that people have started over the last few months in anticipation of the launch of Star Trek Online, I personally prefer and will be adding a ton of material to: http://stowiki.org/

I didn't care for STO Geekpedia because it's mostly a bunch of fleet RPing. That's great and all, but the game hasn't even been released yet, and they already have over 1,180 articles. Over 1,180 articles for a game that doesn't even exist yet! Wow. Obviously I won't be adding any information to that Wiki. I'd hate to see all of my work ending up being lost in the plethora of other, non-game related, information.

My plan, after the game is launched, is to add a ton of information to STO wiki and to present it in a well organized format. I feel this is especially important with weapons and equipment. A large chart that allows for a quick comparison between various items and then links to the page with more in depth information is the way I'd prefer to go.

This is untrue. We have established a player community, and have worked to develop a broad player-driven knowledge base that unfortunately up to now has only consisted of more creative articles. This will change when STO becomes a going concern and information about in-game specifics becomes available to the general public. When this happens we will be creating a more concise categorization system allowing for easy access to the information you wish to find. The number of articles in a wiki should never be an issue if it has been properly designed, and you are able to find the information you want.

Do not be put off by numbers.

We will continue to encourage creativity from our contributors, while at the same time attempting to offer the greatest depth of factual, in-game information we can, thereby creating a well-rounded wiki that will cater to all players, role-players or not.

What you see now is simply the development of the community as it is without the game. Do not judge the Geekipedia so soon.

[JadeEngima]

Being both a professional web developer AND a die-hard Star Trek fan (and planning on getting this game the minute it's released), I of course had the idea of creating a comprehensive wiki (much like WoW has wowwiki.com and Star Trek has memory-alpha.org). However, upon initial research, I've found several sites pointing to www.stogeek.com as the "official" wiki for Star Trek Online.

The thing is, the game hasn't even come out yet, and already there are pictures of in-game content. That's my first concern, and question: How can there be an extensive wiki on something that hasn't even been released yet? Where is all this information coming from?

Secondly, there are a lot of articles that don't really make any sense in relation to Star Trek Online. There is a lot of fan fiction and other information that seemingly has nothing to do with the game.

I would really love to take on the challenge of creating, designing, developing, skinning, and hosting a Star Trek Online wiki that people could use as a reliable resource and a source of accurate in-game information. But I need to know if it's worth the effort, and if I didn't dig deep enough into the STO Geek website to determine if competing with it was worth it at all.

There is no competition here, my friend. Have some plomeek broth, on me. :D

[bobalobabingbong]

It seems a bit early for a Wiki. However if you commit yourself to keep ing things up to date and the infomration flowing you will ahve a good website. Critical to teh game itself. Just find yourself soe good people to help kepe thnigs updated and It'll do fine.
Be as detailed as you can. Don't just copy paste press release type stuff.

I can't count the number of times I've come across wikis for MMOs the just have old or preprelease infomration in them...
Early? This is the time to get it rolling before release. Wikis take time to mold you know ;)

This is untrue. We have established a player community, and have worked to develop a broad player-driven knowledge base that unfortunately up to now has only consisted of more creative articles. This will change when STO becomes a going concern and information about in-game specifics becomes available to the general public. When this happens we will be creating a more concise categorization system allowing for easy access to the information you wish to find. The number of articles in a wiki should never be an issue if it has been properly designed, and you are able to find the information you want.

Do not be put off by numbers.

We will continue to encourage creativity from our contributors, while at the same time attempting to offer the greatest depth of factual, in-game information we can, thereby creating a well-rounded wiki that will cater to all players, role-players or not.

What you see now is simply the development of the community as it is without the game. Do not judge the Geekipedia so soon.

I think he was making the point that Geekpedia is more fan related stuff, and not in game content.

[JadeEngima]

Early? This is the time to get it rolling before release. Wikis take time to mold you know ;)

I think he was making the point that Geekpedia is more fan related stuff, and not in game content.

It is that now, certainly, given that in-game information is somewhat lacking. I was attempting to assuage any thoughts that the Star Trek Online Geekipedia (http://www.stogeek.com) would be only fan related and role playing information, and not include specific game-related articles. It most certainly will, when it becomes available.

We have been developing a strong player/contributor community for awhile, and it is somewhat bothersome that some see it as strictly RP when it is so much more.

[bobalobabingbong]

It is that now, certainly, given that in-game information is somewhat lacking. I was attempting to assuage any thoughts that the Star Trek Online Geekipedia (http://www.stogeek.com) would be only fan related and role playing information, and not include specific game-related articles. It most certainly will, when it becomes available.

We have been developing a strong player/contributor community for awhile, and it is somewhat bothersome that some see it as strictly RP when it is so much more.

When browsing the wiki, It looks to me as if it is strictly RP, and fan fiction. That would be why people perceive it this way. I'm not saying that's bad, just that that's not what we're after.

The Star Trek Online Wiki (http:///stowiki.org) is for in game canon, and content only. Nothing else.

[JadeEngima]

When browsing the wiki, It looks to me as if it is strictly RP, and fan fiction. That would be why people perceive it this way. I'm not saying that's bad, just that that's not what we're after.

The Star Trek Online Wiki (http:///stowiki.org) is for in game canon, and content only. Nothing else.

It is a shame that you limit yourselves so. And I have already explained why the Star Trek Online Geekipedia (http://www.stogeek.com) has so many creative, well-written, and generally interesting articles by a number of talented contributors - contributors who will certainly continue to create articles specifically related to in-game canon when such information becoms available. It will be a well-rounded and fully developed wiki for Star Trek Online with an established community of editors, readers and contributors the moment the game is released.

Live long and propser. ;)

[Inquizitor]

Early? This is the time to get it rolling before release. Wikis take time to mold you know ;)



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Yes I do know. I also know we don't have any concrete information. I wasn't trying to say don't do it. I'm just saying don't let it fall into the same pitfalls alot of other wikis have. The last thing people are going to want to see a month after release is a couple of ship of the line overviews and a few dev chats.

[Bedlam66]

It is a shame that you limit yourselves so. And I have already explained why the Star Trek Online Geekipedia (http://www.stogeek.com) has so many creative, well-written, and generally interesting articles by a number of talented contributors - contributors who will certainly continue to create articles specifically related to in-game canon when such information becomes available. It will be a well-rounded and fully developed wiki for Star Trek Online with an established community of editors, readers and contributors the moment the game is released.

Live long and propser. ;)

Well I'll just throw my own personal Opinion in here and someone can Correct me if I'm wrong or speaking out of line for them.

STOGeek is a great Site. I've Browsed though several large Chunk of it personally(including your Char Bio) and alot of it is well written and Intelligent, But it is not a "pure" Wiki.

STOGeek.com is filled with Char bios, Fanfic ships, Fanfic Stories and the like, and we don't want that. I'm sure it will continue to be improved and be a great site but it's not what we Want.

We want a "pure" Wiki. Totally and completely Devoted to the game and nothing else. we want to be able to pull it up, look something up real quick and be done with it. STOGeek is not that kind of site.
STOGeek is more of a Community site where fans of the game can get together and RP,talk, write stories together Etc. We aren't limiting ourselves by wanting a "pure" Wiki.

Everything has it's own time and Place and I'm even thinking of making a Char bio for the STOGeek.com and Racial Entries for any new races I might Create and develop. I also want a Place I can go for just Game related info and that's where stowiki.org comes in.

"Peace And Long Life":):D

[JadeEngima]

Well I'll just throw my own personal Opinion in here and someone can Correct me if I'm wrong or speaking out of line for them.

STOGeek is a great Site. I've Browsed though several large Chunk of it personally(including your Char Bio) and alot of it is well written and Intelligent, But it is not a "pure" Wiki.

STOGeek.com is filled with Char bios, Fanfic ships, Fanfic Stories and the like, and we don't want that. I'm sure it will continue to be improved and be a great site but it's not what we Want.

We want a "pure" Wiki. Totally and completely Devoted to the game and nothing else. we want to be able to pull it up, look something up real quick and be done with it. STOGeek is not that kind of site.
STOGeek is more of a Community site where fans of the game can get together and RP,talk, write stories together Etc. We aren't limiting ourselves by wanting a "pure" Wiki.

Everything has it's own time and Place and I'm even thinking of making a Char bio for the STOGeek.com and Racial Entries for any new races I might Create and develop. I also want a Place I can go for just Game related info and that's where stowiki.org comes in.

"Peace And Long Life":):D

Thank you for your compliment!

Fair enough. However I can assure you that to pull it up and look up something specifically related to in game mechanics will certainly be possible, and in that form it will certainly be the pure wiki you seek.

Time will tell.

Sochya-eh dif. :D

[mad2274]

I would really love to take on the challenge of creating, designing, developing, skinning, and hosting a Star Trek Online wiki that people could use as a reliable resource and a source of accurate in-game information. But I need to know if it's worth the effort, and if I didn't dig deep enough into the STO Geek website to determine if competing with it was worth it at all.

Good luck, and I will definitely check out your site.

[Bedlam66]

Thank you for your compliment!

Fair enough. However I can assure you that to pull it up and look up something specifically related to in game mechanics will certainly be possible, and in that form it will certainly be the pure wiki you seek.

Time will tell.

Sochya-eh dif. :D
That may very well be true but at the time it looked like a almost pure RP site. Now I'm sure that has more to do with the fact that the game isn't out yet and less to do with the sites intentions, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have both so that People with no interest in RP have a site they are more comfortable with.

[WinterPark1701]

We've had this discussion before. Geekpeida is in my mind the better of the two for several reasons, first of all its far more developed with a great many more articles, both canon and non canon. Last time I looked at the other site Geekpedia had as many unique articles as they did visitors. Also the Geekpeida has a better interface for my preferences.

[Susano1786]

Both have their place, I think. However, I do like the idea of a pure resource. Good luck with the site - it's been bookmarked and I look forward to seeing it grow!

[jamzgub]

keep up the good work, stowiki.org, i will bookmark the site.

any information here on how to be given access to add information. also i think only people who can verify who the are on the boards.

like register, get given a code, post code in the thread, then you activate them being able to add content?

just to stop any sabotage or misuse

[bobalobabingbong]

Yes I do know. I also know we don't have any concrete information. I wasn't trying to say don't do it. I'm just saying don't let it fall into the same pitfalls alot of other wikis have. The last thing people are going to want to see a month after release is a couple of ship of the line overviews and a few dev chats.
Well, we are trying our best. A month after release, I would hope we have more than that. We are making preparations.

Both have their place, I think. However, I do like the idea of a pure resource. Good luck with the site - it's been bookmarked and I look forward to seeing it grow!
Thanks!

keep up the good work, stowiki.org, i will bookmark the site.

any information here on how to be given access to add information. also i think only people who can verify who the are on the boards.

like register, get given a code, post code in the thread, then you activate them being able to add content?

just to stop any sabotage or misuse
Thanks!

Hope to see you guys editing pages!

[JadeEngima]

That may very well be true but at the time it looked like a almost pure RP site. Now I'm sure that has more to do with the fact that the game isn't out yet and less to do with the sites intentions, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have both so that People with no interest in RP have a site they are more comfortable with.

You are of course correct and I welcome any resource for players. I fully expect there will be items we have missed that they have, and those we have in great detail they do not. It is the nature of such things.

I found this post I had written some time ago that fully explains the Star Trek Online Geekipedia's (http://www.stogeek.com) plan and focus, as well as its desing and intent in a way better than I have so far done in this thread:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=564351&postcount=185

[kkmccall]

One thing I would like to add, whilst the Wiki is still in development...

The 'Search' ability being a little more tolerant of mistakes/typo's....

So, for example, I wanted to find info on 'Intrepid', if I typed 'Intrepod' by accident (or perhaps someone suffers from Dyslexia), most Wiki's will take me to a most unhelpful page. The Search needs to allow for misspellings & such.

As an example, in Guild Wars Wiki the article for 'Broadhead Arrow'. In-game it is often referred to as BHA, & typing 'bha' into the wiki search will bring up the page for Broadhead Arrow.

Having said that, Guild Wars Wiki still isn't very tolerant of typo's.

It would be nice, for example to be able to type in 'Con' in the Search Box & be offered a list page with all possible meanings of 'Con'....... Constitution, Constellation, & any other STO references to 'Con'...

I hope this all makes sense :rolleyes:

I am basically asking, whilst stowiki is still in development, to make the search a little more tolerant of typo's & such. I, personally, know at least three people that suffer from dyslexia, plus there are a lot of people out there who may not be that 'hot' with their spelling.

A perfect example is 'Constellation', very easy to miss one of the L's. So, the page for Constellation needs to be more flexible in its search engine criteria.

I know that all sounds rather confusing & the more I write the more I am confusing myself, so I will stop here. :)

[Belenus]

You have my support with this project, I ight even have some friends who would help also... Interesting times to come...

[bobalobabingbong]

One thing I would like to add, whilst the Wiki is still in development...

The 'Search' ability being a little more tolerant of mistakes/typo's....

So, for example, I wanted to find info on 'Intrepid', if I typed 'Intrepod' by accident (or perhaps someone suffers from Dyslexia), most Wiki's will take me to a most unhelpful page. The Search needs to allow for misspellings & such.

As an example, in Guild Wars Wiki the article for 'Broadhead Arrow'. In-game it is often referred to as BHA, & typing 'bha' into the wiki search will bring up the page for Broadhead Arrow.

Having said that, Guild Wars Wiki still isn't very tolerant of typo's.

It would be nice, for example to be able to type in 'Con' in the Search Box & be offered a list page with all possible meanings of 'Con'....... Constitution, Constellation, & any other STO references to 'Con'...

I hope this all makes sense :rolleyes:

I am basically asking, whilst stowiki is still in development, to make the search a little more tolerant of typo's & such. I, personally, know at least three people that suffer from dyslexia, plus there are a lot of people out there who may not be that 'hot' with their spelling.

A perfect example is 'Constellation', very easy to miss one of the L's. So, the page for Constellation needs to be more flexible in its search engine criteria.

I know that all sounds rather confusing & the more I write the more I am confusing myself, so I will stop here. :)
Unfortunately, wiki search engines suck. I plan on asking the owner to add Google search. Hopefully, that can be added asap.

You have my support with this project, I ight even have some friends who would help also... Interesting times to come...

Thanks. We appreciate it!

[kkmccall]

Unfortunately, wiki search engines suck. I plan on taling to the owner to add google search. Hopefully, that can be added asap.


I wasn't aware it was a limiting factor within the Wiki's search engine itself.

Again, using my above example, typing 'Broadhead Arrow' into the Guild Wars wiki brings up the 'Broadhead Arrow' page. Typing BHA into the wiki also brings up the 'Broadhead Arrow' page.

Surely then, is it not a simple case of having variants to names 'point' to a page? As an example -

Typing any of the following:-



Constalation
Constelation
Constellation
Constilation
etc.,



would all 'point' to the page for Constellation.

If it is, indeed, not possible due to the way wiki search is made, then surely the whole 'Wiki' template needs to go back to the drawing board & rewritten?

[bobalobabingbong]

I wasn't aware it was a limiting factor within the Wiki's search engine itself.

Again, using my above example, typing 'Broadhead Arrow' into the Guild Wars wiki brings up the 'Broadhead Arrow' page. Typing BHA into the wiki also brings up the 'Broadhead Arrow' page.

Surely then, is it not a simple case of having variants to names 'point' to a page? As an example -

Typing any of the following:-



Constalation
Constelation
Constellation
Constilation
etc.,



would all 'point' to the page for Constellation.

If it is, indeed, not possible due to the way wiki search is made, then surely the whole 'Wiki' template needs to go back to the drawing board & rewritten?
With your BHA example, the reason it works is because there is a page named BHA, and it redirects to the 'Broadhead Arrow' page. So that's nothing to do with the wiki search engine itself, but the fact that the wiki editors set that up to be that way for convenience.

A wikis search engine has 2 buttons to use. 'Go' & 'Search'. When I use all your examples, with both buttons, the wiki cannot find the page.

Just so we're on the same page, I went to wiki.guildwars.com to test this out.

Now this brings us to another matter of redirects. What do we limit spelling mistakes to? Do we create 6 redirects to the same page using different misspellings? Maybe just the more common ones? What we would do in this situation would be to see what people have to say. If it's very common to use the misspelling of say 'Constellation', it may be a good idea to create that page as a redirect.

I will use WoWWiki as an example here. What they did, was add Google search to their site, and that has worked out great for them in that respect.

[TerranRich]

I've been researching the various Search extensions out there for the MediaWiki system, and there's one that has a "Did You Mean...?" feature, but it changes the entire nature of the search engine itself. WIkipedia has such a system in place, but their MediaWiki software does not yet have that ability, as far as I've read. I'll do some more research.

[TerranRich]

I hope it's OK that I bump my own thread. I just wanted to remind everybody of STOwiki.org and to ask for your help in making it the go-to site for all STO players... meaning you guys. ;)

I'm adding as much information as I possibly can, as well as setting up the item "info box" displays (including embedding the Futura Condensed Medium, Futura Heavy, and Handel Gothic fonts used in the in-game information pop-ups.

If there's anything you'd like to see, any suggestions or comments, or anything else, let me know!

[bobalobabingbong]

The site is shaping up very nicely!

[Escobatt]

hey, just like to say, before i even read about your site and was browsing for good sto info sites, yours is the best one so far! so keep up the good work! i know nothing of web editing, but if you wanted i could email you new info as i get it.

[Kellic]

:| Cryptic should have thought of this idea first since they didn't bother to take the time to make a manual. At least someone is working on documenting this game. Thanks!

Looking forward to more content!

[bobalobabingbong]

STOWiki.org is really shaping up to be the best STO wiki out there!