Will Vulcan Be In STO?

[Raven0238]

Since there has been a tie in with the new movie storyline, will Vulcan be in STO?

[The_Padre]

Yes because what happened to Vulcan was in an alternate universe and not the one STO takes place in.

[Anichent]

Yes Vulcan will be in....however Romulus remains gone :(

[Tamgros]

Since there has been a tie in with the new movie storyline, will Vulcan be in STO?

The tie in with the movie story line is there. But, the tie in is with the ORIGINAL timeline (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY) and not the new timeline with JJ Abrams.


The things in the new movie that happened in the original timeline is that Spock is gone (to the new time line), Vulcan is still very much there, Romulus/Remus is destroyed, but the Romulans and Remans still exist (they just lost a lot of people).

I think that about covers it. Check the Path to 2409 updates for more info here: :)
http://www.startrekonline.com/fiction

[USS_Parallax]

lol

Put SPOILER WARNINGS in your freakin' threads people. I've watched the movie and don't mind but some people haven't.

[knightofhyrule730]

I did not expect this question coming from you Raven. You should know better!

[ronaldheld]

Yes because Vulcan is still there in the non-movie(ST XI) Universe.

[PattonJ007]

I really wish people would pay attention to the movie and actually listen to the dialog, not just look at all the pretty lights and go "oooooo ahhhhhh"

[Trixxe]

*screams in madness of yet another thread asking the same thing.*

research people! research! there are five other threads asking the same thing as this one, getting the same answers.

[Voorhees]

ok i mentioned this in other post. The timline we know and love will remain in tact except for it will be without romulus. Anything that happened from the moment the U.S.S. Kelvin being attacked became the alternate time line. The different design of the enterprise, pike and kirk getting command much sooner then they should, the happenings of vulcan, etc.... is alternate and there is reference in the movie that made this solid fact thats its not the normal timeline we know but an alternate one.

STO tie is starts and ends with the destruction of romulus which did take place in the normal time line.

[Voorhees]

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Of course the normal time line is also without spock as well. Because he went into the blackhole with nero and stayed there

[Kinjiru]

Exactly right guys. To those struggling with the timeline/paradox issue, try this:

Think of time as a highway with an infinite number of lanes. Every time something happens that "changes" what has happened on the timeline that we're most familiar with (Usually referred to as the "Prime" timeline.) is merely perception changing to a different lane. (Or perhaps spawning, or creating a new lane.) Each time a choice is made, a lane would be added to cover every permutation. Now, most creatures in the physical universe will each only be capable of perceiving a single lane in this "highway", or a single timeline.

This doesn't preclude the possibility of certain beings that can perceive multiple "lanes", like members of the Q Continuum or El-Aurian races. -- For example, Guinan was aware of differences between the "normal" or "Prime" timeline and the events that were happening in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise".

What this means is that if you were to go back in time and kill your parents before you were born, you would not cease to exist, since by going back in time, you merely changed to a different lane on the highway.

Does that help? :)

[phalczen]

I am curious if the devs knew the plotline of the movie or whether they had to recently make an executive decision to include Vulcan/exclude Romulus/Remus or vice versa.
How do we really know which reality STO is a part of? Hmm? I think we need a yellow name to step in and elaborate on the proper setting.
I hate those pesky temporal paradoxes.

[Apoc_0987]

I really wish people would pay attention to the movie and actually listen to the dialog, not just look at all the pretty lights and go "oooooo ahhhhhh"

But the talking confuzez me!

Yeah, people do need to listen to the dialogue, even if there are pretty lights...

[grindog]

Its called Science FICTION not science FACT.

but yes the film did re write the entire star treck univers and erase all the old star treck they can now re write it however that like without having to tie anything into the old films / seriese etc

the origional star trek series will now never happen as it did as they have we writen it.

[cyphre]

Ok... so my question is this...

As far as canon is concerned... is the Abrams film an 'alternate universe' or is it the regular universe we have known, but being rewritten?
Because Nero + Spock traveled back in time... not to another dimension. So I took it as being the latter. If it's the former, the film has little gravitas.

And so this actually bothers me... because anything I might do as a Starfleet captain in STO will feel as though it doesn't matter if it all takes place in a dead timeline. Makes me less likely to play.

You know?

[robgomm]

Its called Science FICTION not science FACT.

but yes the film did re write the entire star treck univers and erase all the old star treck they can now re write it however that like without having to tie anything into the old films / seriese etc

the origional star trek series will now never happen as it did as they have we writen it.

Oh i don't know, I like to think of it as a reimagining of the original series, how it would have been made with todays technology. I can't wait for the next one. It's awesome.

[VanCaptain]

It's been said on the forums, hell is said, in lamens terms in the movie and repeated all over the internet over and over and over and over and over and over...

ANYTHING that happens in an ALTERNATE timeline has NO bearing on the ORIGINAL timeline.

The original timeline is still in tact, which ST:O is based off, Spock disapearing and the Rhomulan incident are there but thats the end of it. Theres no re-writting of history etc...

Spock and Nero et al... by traveling to the past, they have created an alternate timeline, a completely seperate paralel universe which has no continued bearing on the original universe.

[ComradeWolfie]

Ok... so my question is this...

As far as canon is concerned... is the Abrams film an 'alternate universe' or is it the regular universe we have known, but being rewritten?
Because Nero + Spock traveled back in time... not to another dimension. So I took it as being the latter. If it's the former, the film has little gravitas.

And so this actually bothers me... because anything I might do as a Starfleet captain in STO will feel as though it doesn't matter if it all takes place in a dead timeline. Makes me less likely to play.

You know?

Its an Alternate time line, the old trek has not 'died' or anything of the like, its existence cause the existence of the XI film.

[Aeneas]

Yes Vulcan Will still be in STO

Movie=Alternate timeline
Short and simple:P

[grindog]

Yes because what happened to Vulcan was in an alternate universe and not the one STO takes place in.

its not an alternative universe

[Kellir]

I would say it is gone. That would clean the canvas for the Devs and the owners of ST to rewrite almost everything.

[VanCaptain]

I would say it is gone. That would clean the canvas for the Devs and the owners of ST to rewrite almost everything.

Except they can't... they dont own Star Trek, they can't rewrite it and there would be liscence restrictions etc... for instance, they cant really kill off Picard or Blow up the Enterprise E, perhaps, without first getting conscent.

Besides, if they re write everything, it would not be Star Trek, we, well I, am here to play Star Trek Online..not JJ Abrams vision, but the original, prime one thats endured going on 4+ decades!

It must grow and evolve..but re write? No..thats why Enterprise only lasted 4 seasons!

[Interdictor]

The Abramsverse movie is an alternate timeline to the "main" Trek universe, just like the Mirror Universe.

It appears STO will be carrying on the main Trek universe, but I wouldn't be surprised if the game also references both alternate univeses (and perhaps others).

[cyphre]

I guessed I missed the part of the movie wherein in was stated that it was an alternate timeline.

So I guess I don't understand why Old Spock gave a crap about it, if he knew it was not 'his' timeline.

Also... this new Star Trek is not only Abrams' vision... you'll notice it was made by Paramount, who owns the rights... so it is with their consent. This new Star Trek is Star Trek whether you like it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if Paramount means to rewrite everything. It would probably make the property infinitely more viable in their eyes.

[ronaldheld]

That is correct.

[Corehaven22]

its not an alternative universe

Yea....it is. Said in the movie. Said by the makers of the movie. Doesnt get more definitive than that.

[babanathie]

I guessed I missed the part of the movie wherein in was stated that it was an alternate timeline.

So I guess I don't understand why Old Spock gave a crap about it, if he knew it was not 'his' timeline.

Also... this new Star Trek is not only Abrams' vision... you'll notice it was made by Paramount, who owns the rights... so it is with their consent. This new Star Trek is Star Trek whether you like it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if Paramount means to rewrite everything. It would probably make the property infinitely more viable in their eyes.

Old Spock probably gave a crap because:

1. He's a moral character.
2. He probably didn't realize that it's an alternate reality.
3. He's a MORAL character. Wait did I already type that one? Well, he is.

You're probably right about Paramount rewriting Star Trek. This new alternate timeline will probably become the new Prime timeline. It all depends on how good the movie does and whether there is any serious backlash (emphasis serious) from the fanbase. I heard it drew seven million on opening night; however, there were eight people (including me) in the theatre during the first show. I guess it's a wait and see situation now.

[Interdictor]

I heard it drew seven million on opening night; however, there were eight people (including me) in the theatre during the first show. I guess it's a wait and see situation now.

According to RottenTomatoes.com, it scored a 96% on the tomatometer and has, as of Sunday May 3 made over SEVENTY million.

[cyphre]

Being an alternate timeline/reality, it sucks some of the excitement out of the film for me. How utterly disappointing.

All those 'Holy Crap!' moments are now... 'Huh...Interesting.' moments.

[Loekii]

Ok... so my question is this...

As far as canon is concerned... is the Abrams film an 'alternate universe' or is it the regular universe we have known, but being rewritten?
Because Nero + Spock traveled back in time... not to another dimension. So I took it as being the latter. If it's the former, the film has little gravitas.

And so this actually bothers me... because anything I might do as a Starfleet captain in STO will feel as though it doesn't matter if it all takes place in a dead timeline. Makes me less likely to play.

You know?

In Star Trek Fiction, you have at least two types of time travel:

One that changes the future,
One that does not (like 'All Good Things', 'Abrams Star Trek').


In the TNG finale, 'All Good Things', Picard travels back and forth in Time, but his actions does not affect the other 'timelines' --- for example, he goes back in the past and calls for a 'Red Alert' when he first assumes command of the Enterprise. Later, in the 'current' timeline, he asks Troy if that is how she remembers it, and she said 'no'. So his actions when traveled back in time, did not change the 'current' Timeline.

[babanathie]

According to RottenTomatoes.com, it scored a 96% on the tomatometer and has, as of Sunday May 3 made over SEVENTY million.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's the first time ever I got first choice (and second, third and so on...) choice of seats on a Star Trek opening night. Eight freaking people. I've seen opening nights for craptastic movies with more people. This makes me very, very skeptical of the "reported" success of the film. Eight people is just soooo.... freaking unbelieveable.

[moessner]

yea vulcan will be in...spock the old one came from are time line with nero when spock used the red matter with the jellyfish ship to try and stop the star from compleately destroying all. in are time line spock just dissapeared and is now in there time line. so when the new spock got in the jellyfish and asked the computer what ship is this the computer stated this ship was built in XX star date and was built on vulcan in the vulcan sience accadamy. witch in are last story we found out that jordy helped build the ship too.


i think they did a great job with it and the way the movie ended they left it wide open for a new TV series, becouse there all on the bridge and now starts the 5 year missions to exsplore strange new worlds and boldly go where no ones gone before.

[babanathie]

In Star Trek Fiction, you have at least two types of time travel:

One that changes the future,
One that does not (like 'All Good Things', 'Abrams Star Trek').


In the TNG finale, 'All Good Things', Picard travels back and forth in Time, but his actions does not affect the other 'timelines' --- for example, he goes back in the past and calls for a 'Red Alert' when he first assumes command of the Enterprise. Later, in the 'current' timeline, he asks Troy if that is how she remembers it, and she said 'no'. So his actions when traveled back in time, did not change the 'current' Timeline.


Well, not effecting the timeline gets alot easier when you have a ultrapowerful godlike being that is capable of manipulating time events there to set things right. You forgot the third type though, when USS Defiant went back in time and was captured by the Terran Empire giving them the edge to conquer the galaxy (at least for a short time).

[Loekii]

Still doesn't change the fact that it's the first time ever I got first choice (and second, third and so on...) choice of seats on a Star Trek opening night. Eight freaking people. I've seen opening nights for craptastic movies with more people. This makes me very, very skeptical of the "reported" success of the film. Eight people is just soooo.... freaking unbelieveable.

Funny. The theater was packed when I went in the Morning, which supports the box office return estimates.

I would say your experience is probably not the norm, given the box office estimates -- which are more accurate than a forum estimate.

[babanathie]

Funny. The theater was packed when I went in the Morning, which supports the box office return estimates.

I would say your experience is probably not the norm, given the box office estimates -- which are more accurate than a forum estimate.

Maybe, but eight people is so far off the norm, it creates a mental paradox. I probably won't believe anything until this movie proves enough of a success for a sequel.

[Interdictor]

Still doesn't change the fact that it's the first time ever I got first choice (and second, third and so on...) choice of seats on a Star Trek opening night. Eight freaking people. I've seen opening nights for craptastic movies with more people. This makes me very, very skeptical of the "reported" success of the film. Eight people is just soooo.... freaking unbelieveable.

:rolleyes: Do you honestly think your experience was typical? If it was - it would not have made 70+ mill in it's first couple of days.

[babanathie]

:rolleyes: Do you honestly think your experience was typical? If it was - it would not have made 70+ mill in it's first couple of days.

My eyes versus what someone else (even the box office) tells me. Visual reality is so, so, so different from what other people have told me that it does make me wonder. I usually manage to avoid those freak events that make reality unravel.:(

[Interdictor]

My eyes versus what someone else (even the box office) tells me. Visual reality is so, so, so different from what other people have told me that it does make me wonder. I usually manage to avoid those freak events that make reality unravel.:(
:confused: Are you for real?

[babanathie]

:confused: Are you for real?

For the most part, I really did go on opening night, and the theatre did have a total of eight people. I'm just having a hard time believing it.

[Loekii]

My eyes versus what someone else (even the box office) tells me. Visual reality is so, so, so different from what other people have told me that it does make me wonder. I usually manage to avoid those freak events that make reality unravel.:(

Here is the AP about it:

'Star Trek' has galactic $76.5M opening weekend

By CHRISTY LEMIRE – 2 hours ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — "Star Trek" beamed itself up to the top of the box office, earning $76.5 million in its opening weekend.

Paramount Pictures had estimated that the movie would make about $50 million for the weekend, but figured that strong reviews helped carry it to the bigger opening.

Director J.J. Abrams' reboot of the beloved sci-fi franchise made $72.5 million from Friday through Sunday, plus $4 million just in pre-midnight screenings Thursday, the studio said Saturday. That cumulative figure includes a record $8.2 million in IMAX showings......


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ia1FPSxXY_CtWNU2djwNxRbGiU3wD983LLN01

[babanathie]

Here is the AP about it:



I wish people would stop trying to make reality unravel... :(

[Corehaven22]

I wish people would stop trying to make reality unravel... :(

What are you talking about???