Scimitar

[topekaguy1988]

The Scimitar from ST Nemesis is in the game. Do you think it is involved in a time travel mission or that they built another one? Also do you think it is a fed specific mission or available to both factions?

Source: Recent Zinc post on twitter

[Sumoben]

Well, they identified it as a Reman Warbird, so technically the "Scimitar" could be a class designation rather than an actual name for the ship. Most other empires don't put the name of the ship itself on the hull like the Federation does..

[Terrani]

Scimitar type ships could have been assimilated into the Romulan Fleet, or they could just be stand alone warships for the Remans. Regardless I think we will be encountering Scimitars somewhat regularly when dealing with the Romulans, sans Thalaron Radiation device however.

[topekaguy1988]

I think there was only one Scimitar and it was built secretly. Wasn't this ship a super-weapon? This ship was built for Shinzon for one reason only. So therefore why would there need to be more than one? Since the Remans were mostly used as slave labor I don't see the Romulans allowing them to have access to advanced starship technology for long.

[jwood299]

I don't know about having the Scimitar as a player-ship.. Reason being is her specs

The Scimitar's cloaking technology was, in the words of Geordi La Forge, "perfect". (Star Trek Nemesis) It emitted no tachyons and left no residual anti-protons, the two ways that a cloaked ship could be tracked and located. Thus, when cloaked, the Scimitar was virtually impossible to find. Only a chance hit by an opposing ship's weapons could reveal its location, temporarily disrupting the cloak. The Scimitar could even deploy its weapons and deflector shields and travel at high warp speeds while cloaked, actions which, with less-advanced cloaking technology, necessitated de-cloaking or reduced the effectiveness of cloaking. Its maximum warp factor when cloaked matched that of Starfleet's Sovereign-class starship.


The Scimitar was designed for war. With 52 disruptor banks and 27 photon torpedo bays, it was ready for nearly any battle.


That's bordering OP if you ask me, but hey, WoW has Warlocks, STO could have Scimitars lol

[topekaguy1988]

I don't know about having the Scimitar as a player-ship.. Reason being is her specs

The Scimitar's cloaking technology was, in the words of Geordi La Forge, "perfect". (Star Trek Nemesis) It emitted no tachyons and left no residual anti-protons, the two ways that a cloaked ship could be tracked and located. Thus, when cloaked, the Scimitar was virtually impossible to find. Only a chance hit by an opposing ship's weapons could reveal its location, temporarily disrupting the cloak. The Scimitar could even deploy its weapons and deflector shields and travel at high warp speeds while cloaked, actions which, with less-advanced cloaking technology, necessitated de-cloaking or reduced the effectiveness of cloaking. Its maximum warp factor when cloaked matched that of Starfleet's Sovereign-class starship.


The Scimitar was designed for war. With 52 disruptor banks and 27 photon torpedo bays, it was ready for nearly any battle.


That's bordering OP if you ask me, but hey, WoW has Warlocks, STO could have Scimitars lol

No one said it was going to be a player-controlled ship.

[jwood299]

No one said it was going to be a player-controlled ship.

Yep i know, just saying...

[Terrani]

I doubt the Romulans would just look past how well the Scimitar preformed. I can see them using the design and producing them for their fleet. Shinzon's Scimitar was one of a kind, with the uber weapon and uber cloak, but if the Romulans were to mass produce them they would probably just stick a normal D'deridex cloak in it and forgo the radiation weapon (so it won't be so unbalanced). Maybe for more cargo room or more power generators.

[cocoa-jin]

Did they eliminate the designers of the Scimitar? Why would it remain one of a kind? Even if you obly wanted to make one, for one purpose...wouldnt you store data just to keep track of production?

Blah...just feel like more poorly thought out Trek plot device.

[TechDragon]

Could be very fun for some type of boss fight.

I would imagine the cost of making such a ship would be very prohibitive from making them in large numbers.

[nagash303]

With the backing of Donatra, Rehaek and Praetor Chulan, an alternative plan is reached. The Remans are instead offered the planet of Crateris, in the distant Gamma Crateris system. The site of a failed Romulan colony, the planet has a harsh climate and is beset by almost constant electrical storms but is rich in dilithium, decalithium and heavy metals. Xiomek agrees, because even the harsh climate of Crateris is a significant improvement over Remus. Thousands of Remans board colony ships and make the move to their new home. from http://www.startrekonline.com/node/216 (2386)

So they are in the distant Gamma Crateris system. It wont take long and they break away from Romulan Star Empire and rename themselves Craterians. Those guys would most definatly be villains and build Scimitar ships. Thats what I say could happen.

[Suricata]

In all fairness, we know very little about the Schimiter, we know its a predetor ship and insanely well armed. Because of the plot in Nemisis everyone is assuming its sole purpose was to attack the Federation by the bloodthirsty Remens.

So, lets step back and try to think rationally. The Galaxy class took 5-10 years to design, the Defiant took 3-4 years, so we have to assume the Schimiter also had a design period of a few years. Now during the film the crew of the Enterprise talk about how the Remens fought against the Dominion, we also know that the Tal Shiar worked with the Cardassians to try and eliminate the Founders homeworld. So how do we know the Schimiter wasn't designed for war against the Dominion with the intent of wiping out Dominion planets and fleets (which were huge)? It had huge ammounts of weapon systems afterall, implying its meant for large scale combat which sounds pretty plausable with the Dominion war. My take on the shmitier is that Shinzon simply found out about the Schimiter and saw the possability to use it for a purpose it was not designed for (revenge on the Federation).

So with all that said, I see no problems with actually having a few Schimiters in the game, maybe they could be retro-fitted to remove the illegal radiation weapon, but the improved cloak and weapon systems seem ffine to me considering the purpose it was designed for, however, I feel it should be treated like the Klingon Negh-Vars, asa flag ship that is not made in huge numbers due to the resources to build it.

[lokan]

I certainly hope there are no Scimitars in game. It was such a silly ship, which was blatantly designed solely for the "lol ubership of doom!" factor. Only the Borg Miningship of Doom from the new movie can top it for sheer nonsensical "We couldn't come up with an interesting threat, so heres MEGA DOOM SHIP!", :p:rolleyes:

[NeoWolf]

I think it is safe to assume that even if this class of ship is reproduced, the THALARON weapon wouldn;t be :D

I suspect it is simply a boss fight/instance etc...

[djnattyd]

From Twitter: CrypticZinc: Just saw Scimitar de-cloak in front of a ship, open-up, charge-up and BOOM! End the milestone and the week on a high note. : )

Think that answers any question about whether or not the Scimitar is in or not;)

[bridgeburner18]

The new comics talk about neros ship being uber leet, perhaps they did start using some of the new scimitar tech. I wouldn't be suprised if the scimitar specs are more standard being that 40 odd years have passed since its destruction. But at the time it was so advanced in comparison to other vessels, i would only assume since its destruction the klingons and feds have caught up.

[bridgeburner18]

In all fairness, we know very little about the Schimiter, we know its a predetor ship and insanely well armed. Because of the plot in Nemisis everyone is assuming its sole purpose was to attack the Federation by the bloodthirsty Remens.

So, lets step back and try to think rationally. The Galaxy class took 5-10 years to design, the Defiant took 3-4 years, so we have to assume the Schimiter also had a design period of a few years. Now during the film the crew of the Enterprise talk about how the Remens fought against the Dominion, we also know that the Tal Shiar worked with the Cardassians to try and eliminate the Founders homeworld. So how do we know the Schimiter wasn't designed for war against the Dominion with the intent of wiping out Dominion planets and fleets (which were huge)? It had huge ammounts of weapon systems afterall, implying its meant for large scale combat which sounds pretty plausable with the Dominion war. My take on the shmitier is that Shinzon simply found out about the Schimiter and saw the possability to use it for a purpose it was not designed for (revenge on the Federation).

So with all that said, I see no problems with actually having a few Schimiters in the game, maybe they could be retro-fitted to remove the illegal radiation weapon, but the improved cloak and weapon systems seem ffine to me considering the purpose it was designed for, however, I feel it should be treated like the Klingon Negh-Vars, asa flag ship that is not made in huge numbers due to the resources to build it.

in the movie shinzon says specifically the ship was built by the remans in secret to do two things, destory earth/federation via the thalaron gun and to emancipate his reman brothers, to speculate beyond what its stated purpose was is kinda pointless, but i do agree a ship that powerful would not be the only one ever developed.

[osena]

well form my point of view the romulans are the new Fedration allies cos we have been sporting them whit food and stuff so they might be part of starfleet by 2409 and we might be abel to use there ships as starfleet officer

[Interdictor]

I certainly hope there are no Scimitars in game. It was such a silly ship, which was blatantly designed solely for the "lol ubership of doom!" factor. Only the Borg Miningship of Doom from the new movie can top it for sheer nonsensical "We couldn't come up with an interesting threat, so heres MEGA DOOM SHIP!", :p:rolleyes:

This. I'd even tenatively put the Prometheus class in the same category - nonsensical and only created for LCF (looks cool factor).

Strip out their "super-duper systems" (perfect cloaks, planet-sterilizing blasters, blistering array of weapon systems, voltron-like combining systems, etc.) and the I really wouldn't mind them so much in-game.

[THORN74]

This. I'd even tenatively put the Prometheus class in the same category - nonsensical and only created for LCF (looks cool factor).

Strip out their "super-duper systems" (perfect cloaks, planet-sterilizing blasters, blistering array of weapon systems, voltron-like combining systems, etc.) and the I really wouldn't mind them so much in-game.

I dont know, I do think the MVAM was pretty stupid, but I really liked the overall look of the Prometheus. i would very much like to fly one in the game. I could take or leave the MVAM.

the idea of a federation ship that was heavliy combat oriented OTHER than the Defiant class, which i have always hated, would be very kool. The Prometheus was fast (warp 9.99), VER WELL ARMED, and had all the newest and most advanced tech that starfleet had to offer. I would very much like to see the ship in-game.

[Azurian]

Doubt they would put in the Thalaron weapon outside some sort of high-end encounter. But Remans were flying Scimitar-varients in the Star Trek: Countdown comic. Though not as large and powerful as the Scimitar itself.

So we should be seeing them in STO.

[NeoWolf]

From Twitter:

Think that answers any question about whether or not the Scimitar is in or not;)

You do realise the whole point of this thread was drawn from that post on twitter to begin with?

We were never discussing if it Will or won;t be in... but HOW it will be in i.e via Time Travel, ship model has become standardised, an instance or raid boss etc..etc..

:D

[Manx]

The way Zinc describes what the Scimitar is doing suggests to me that the theleron weapon is in: 'open-up, charge-up, and BOOM!', sounds like what we saw in Nemesis... except, in that case, the BOOM was the Scimitar rather than its target.

[No1UKnow]

The way Zinc describes what the Scimitar is doing suggests to me that the theleron weapon is in: 'open-up, charge-up, and BOOM!', sounds like what we saw in Nemesis... except, in that case, the BOOM was the Scimitar rather than its target.

It's hard to tell whether BOOM was from Scimitar or it's opponent.
He also says he "saw Scimitar". This makes it sound like Scimitar is a sole ship in the game and not a class of ships. Scimitar sounds like a possible boss encounter.

[Sinclair]

The Scimatar was a one of a kind ship as I understood it. It was a Reman warbird, not part of the Romulan imperial navy. So I'm doubting we'd see that class exactly. But I'm guessing we'll bee seeing some large and updated Romulan Warbirds and larger.

[No1UKnow]

The Scimatar was a one of a kind ship as I understood it. It was a Reman warbird, not part of the Romulan imperial navy. So I'm doubting we'd see that class exactly. But I'm guessing we'll bee seeing some large and updated Romulan Warbirds and larger.

CrypticZinc: Just saw Scimitar de-cloak in front of a ship, open-up, charge-up and BOOM! End the milestone and the week on a high note.

Read it and weep :)

[Sevenblade]

Could be very fun for some type of boss fight.

I would imagine the cost of making such a ship would be very prohibitive from making them in large numbers.

I agree. It sounds to me like it might be some more high-end mission or raid, to not overdo it and make the Romulans or Remans have a fleet of uber ships. That's the only way I could justify it still having a thalaron generator. Sort of like a time limit for the raid/mission; you gotta find a way to take out the Scimitar before the generator charges and irradiates your entire crew, frying you :D

[LebowskyBob]

I certainly hope there are no Scimitars in game. It was such a silly ship, which was blatantly designed solely for the "lol ubership of doom!" factor. Only the Borg Miningship of Doom from the new movie can top it for sheer nonsensical "We couldn't come up with an interesting threat, so heres MEGA DOOM SHIP!", :p:rolleyes:

How is it a silly ship? And how is it a "lol ubership of doom"? The Enterprise proved to be its match, after the ramming the Scimitar would have been completely out of the fight if not for the Thalaron weapon...and even that was stopped rather easily enough. In a straight-up fight the Scimitar is really not all that much more powerful than a Sovereign or Galaxy class. What I think is silly is people calling it a "plot device" and other such garbage just because the movie didn't give it much if any back story. Hell, even the Excelsior didn't have much of a back story in STIII - really just a line about being Starfleet's "great experiment" and I don't anyone griping about that. The Scimitar is a warship of mass destruction built by a race that just came out of a very ****** war...what is so damned silly about that?

[SenshiBat]

open quote"Just saw Scimitar de-cloak in front of a ship, open-up, charge-up and BOOM! End the milestone and the week on a high note. : ) [close quote]

So the Answer would be it was in-game but not how active as they are our enemies..

A Big Boss battle if you must term it as such..

The Starfleet Command III [Nemesis add-on] Version had a Star Base Power Supply..

So prob could do almost anything if fixed right.
if a old Klingon BOP can be flown in Time Travel It could do like the Borg Sphere also did. .


The Shinzon one had a average crew against the Enterprises Elite crew..
Shinzon's mistrust of Romulans doomed him.. The Remans had no love for the empire it tortured them.

So good ship bad crew but overwhelming power.. It blew through the Best new Warbirds the Fleet sent
Donatra and her wingman in a short time
It was a Class all its own as a Super Battle ship without a proper Space Trail to work the bugs out.. .

[oleum]

OMG I'm sorry I've obiously been away from forum a bit too long. Still speculating and debating one line in a tweet for hours and hours. I really think its time we got a bit more info. If its dropped on us in a big chunk at least every detail won't get picked over like this.
OK a ship called the Scimitar (or a Scimitar class of ship, or a ship one of the devs named "Scimitar" because they collect old swords but its really a standard Romulan ship) is in game.

Sorry, this isn't exciting anymore!

[VainEldritch]

It may not be "news", but the Scimitar vs the Big E was one cool battle, and for my money the Big E came out of it pretty well, all things considered.

Keeps your Scimitars - give me a Sov and a good crew please, sir.

:p

[Sevenblade]

OMG I'm sorry I've obiously been away from forum a bit too long. Still speculating and debating one line in a tweet for hours and hours. I really think its time we got a bit more info. If its dropped on us in a big chunk at least every detail won't get picked over like this.
OK a ship called the Scimitar (or a Scimitar class of ship, or a ship one of the devs named "Scimitar" because they collect old swords but its really a standard Romulan ship) is in game.

Sorry, this isn't exciting anymore!

You have seen Star Trek: Nemesis, right? When anyone refers to Scimitar capitalized like that while discussing Trek, it pretty much means only one ship (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Scimitar).

[PattonJ007]

I see nothing wrong with having the Reman Warbird in the game. The odds of it having a "perfect" cloak and the Thalaron Weapon are slim to none if its a player controlled ship ... that would be too much power for anyone to control.

[SirReginaldo]

I see nothing wrong with having the Reman Warbird in the game. The odds of it having a "perfect" cloak and the Thalaron Weapon are slim to none if its a player controlled ship ... that would be too much power for anyone to control.

However as a capital ship that makes it perfect. Think about it, the new Soverign like design might be able to match it. It could for all intents be the new Romulan/Reman warship of choice:D

[Rivaris]

so were can i order my fleet of these ships i need to destroy earth.

[LebowskyBob]

I see nothing wrong with having the Reman Warbird in the game. The odds of it having a "perfect" cloak and the Thalaron Weapon are slim to none if its a player controlled ship ... that would be too much power for anyone to control.

And besides, its a long time after Nemesis in STO, chances are that Starfleet will have found a way to penetrate the "perfect cloak". The Enterprise-E could only detect things that its sensors were designed to detect, could be the Scimitar's cloak was compromised in a way that Enterprise's sensors simply were not configured to detect at the time. If I'm not mistaken, even the D'Deridex cloak couldn't be "seen through" at first, not until the tachyon emissions were finally discovered. It is a fact of live that any weapon developed will spark the creation of a counter-weapon eventually, the Scimitar cloak is no exception to this rule.

[SirReginaldo]

so were can i order my fleet of these ships i need to destroy earth.

I guess you must find the design, or ally with the Remans. Maybe give them freedom and Romulan Citizen level status within the Empire. Make them feel special and get them to help you build/design a new model of this weapon, the "Scimitar":D

Actually I was hoping that I could play as a Romulan, so I could have a mixed crew of Remans as well:D

[FaeryFire]

It will be the newbie ship for the Romulan players in the first expansion.

[Nonderyon]

I guess you must find the design, or ally with the Remans. Maybe give them freedom and Romulan Citizen level status within the Empire. Make them feel special and get them to help you build/design a new model of this weapon, the "Scimitar":D

Actually I was hoping that I could play as a Romulan, so I could have a mixed crew of Remans as well:D

I think this too...
So,we are don't see another Scimitar ,because that one is special and secretly builded by remans,and now the romulans don't want to see a threat in that close...but don't want to lose that technology too...
So,first they capture the scientists/engineers and take them some secret factory where they can develop awsome things =) (they can't say "no", maybe drugged or intimidated...we all know,romulans don't fear to use dirty tricks )