please no ship customization.

[PredatorSTO]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

[qoona]

uhh, its a good day to troll? second flamebait n 3 hours <_<

[Paulo999]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

Terran Empire.. yellow stripes with the sword through earth symbol ftw :D

[marscentral]

Personally, I'm going for an "Oscar Mayer Weiner Bus flying in space." :D

[TreffnonX]

Launch the Vipers! Let's fragg them cylons!!!:D

.. no seriously i dont think they will do a 180° now... but i agree that too much customization will spoil the federation look....

[PredatorSTO]

The game isn't going to allow the alternative universe to be played in "our" universe?

[Paulo999]

The game isn't going to allow the alternative universe to be played in "our" universe?

all ya have to do is destroy any alien on sight and thats good enough for me :P

[Sythian]

Personally, I'm going for an "Oscar Mayer Weiner Bus flying in space." :D

Mine will have racing strips to go faster... wooohoooo....:D

[djnattyd]

Mine will have racing strips to go faster... wooohoooo....:D

I'm going for the "Fast & Furious" look. Neons, body kit, spinners on my nacelles, a spoiler on the rollbar and a bangin' sound system:p

[Mr.Taboo]

General Lee paint job , Dukes in Space.
With the Dixie horn for my hail. :D

[piponolo]

Three racing stripes that are hot pink with purple borders.

In all seriousness...... if you read the "path" articles they seem to be giving a reason for the customization. Something about modifications expanding the fleet or something.

Remember IDIC.

[Federationrulz]

Launch the Vipers! Let's fragg them cylons!!!:D

.. no seriously i dont think they will do a 180° now... but i agree that too much customization will spoil the federation look....

Wow... I Can imagine a federation ship looking exactly like Galactica now... except the flight pods are warp nacelles. Maybe too much customizations is bad. On the bright side, I can't imagine The game being so customizable there will be basestars flying around.

[solarnova]

Any Federation ships that are playable in this game should adhere to Federation regulations. That is all I have to say on the matter.

[0wl]

Personally, I'm going for an "Oscar Mayer Weiner Bus flying in space."

It was stated in an interview that that particular "bus" could not be made! :D

[Mr.Taboo]

But think of the possibilities *LINK* (http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/)

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[0wl]

Hahaha good one...can i have flames all over the side 'o the ship please! :D

[The.Grand.Nagus]

please no ship customization...At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.

I'll tell you what: you can do what you like with YOUR ship, but unless you plan on paying their subscriptions, you dont get to decide what happens to OTHER people's ships. Deal? :o

[Hagon]

"Ve vill have everyone follow za same rulz ven zeh are making zer ships!!!! Ve vill not have zeh "individual" here!"

"You vill tell us who is thinking about doing zis "customization" now!! Ve have ways of making you talk!"

[TruthSeer]

I'm going for the "Fast & Furious" look. Neons, body kit, spinners on my nacelles, a spoiler on the rollbar and a bangin' sound system:p

Don't forget the nitrous.

[Awarkle]

im going for the rainbows down the side green peace saucer section type ship. With "hug an alien" and instead of phasers im going to have a rainbow light show.

It will be the true love boat :D

[qoona]

dongt forget baby seats and shopping basket.

[TruthSeer]

im going for the rainbows down the side green peace saucer section type ship. With "hug an alien" and instead of phasers im going to have a rainbow light show.

It will be the true love boat :D

And your going to play as a Klingon right? :)

[qoona]

They shuold include resonator on our warp coils, so they will make louder whoooosh when we warp.

[Gos]

lol you guys had me roleing the way your describing these.

[Counselor_Zexx]

Launch the Vipers! Let's fragg them cylons!!!:D

.. no seriously i dont think they will do a 180° now... but i agree that too much customization will spoil the federation look....

What you think is the Federation "look" may well be vastly different this far ahead in the future.

i say nine nacelles, racing stripes and Orion slave men dancing on the hull in space suits. FABULOUS!

[Dacrimara]

Personally, I'm going for an "Oscar Mayer Weiner Bus flying in space." :D

I think they have that one... take another look at the Orion Battlecruiser shot...

[UA_Fleet_Admiral]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

I'll take a ship with rear spoilers, wheel guards, 3 inch lift kit, roll bars with KC lights, kangaroo bumper, running lights underneath, fuzzy dice hanging off the main screen, a bumper sticker on the back saying,"we brake for no-one!", flames down the side, and to top it off a button in the captains chair which activates the mighty aruga horn! :cool:

[qoona]

also i want t he ability to control hull light to make cool things from them:P

[STOZone]

When paramount is putting out stuff like this (http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/) on their own movie site, I would hope that we would be able to do something similar in STO.

Yellow Smiley Face Enterprise FTW! :)

[Peterv5]

I used to think like that, but then it hit me: It is the future of the TV series, and films, starfleat has evolve, like the difference from TOS and TNG, DS9 and VOY, the layout of the computers, the ships and the uniforms has change, also the crews attitude and so many other thanks.

What we are going to play is not Star Trek from the TV series and films but their future.

[Mr.Taboo]

When paramount is putting out stuff like this (http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/) on their own movie site, I would hope that we would be able to do something similar in STO.

Yellow Smiley Face Enterprise FTW! :)

Beat ya to it I posted that link on page two :p

Chocolate with sprinkles FTW ! :D

.

[jagerbolt]

My "Hello Kitty" starship will pwn ALL!

[qoona]

i like the green/chrome one

[Hornet331]

My "Hello Kitty" starship will pwn ALL!

fully pink, nothing pawns that. :cool:

[qoona]

Everyone know that pink is darkest shade of black

[Strandberg]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

Heh, they are basing the whole concept of roleplaying and looting on upgrades (customization) for you ship.
Safe to say it will be in

[Buzz_McCool]

I'm thinking speed holes. They make you go faster.

[Thibor]

I'm going the sponsorship revenue route myself. Already in contact with Hendrick Motorsports. Going to have the NCC-2448, USS Gordon Johnson in bright red and blue, with logos all over it for Dupont, Lowes, National Guard, Pepsi, Kobalt Tools ... even a small Mopar one on the back of the nacelles. My engineering crew will be known as my pit crew and can fix hull damage in 12.5 seconds flat. Tick me off and I'll get up behind your nacelles and put you into that asteroid on the right. And every hour I'm logged in I'll be raking in the sponsorhip dollars!

Okay ... so maybe I'm describing EA Sports: NASCAR 2409 :p:D

[JamesDBurke]

"Ve vill have everyone follow za same rulz ven zeh are making zer ships!!!! Ve vill not have zeh "individual" here!"

"You vill tell us who is thinking about doing zis "customization" now!! Ve have ways of making you talk!"

"What's ze matter Johnnie, who are you afraid uf? Ze Germans?"

[Commodore_Rook]

But think of the possibilities *LINK* (http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/)

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Ugh, this is EXACTLY what scares me about being able to customize your ship. Hopefully, they won't allow such extreme designs in game. The most I could stomach is a maybe a color band or stripe, but even that is pushing it. Ships in a fleet should be one color and all look the same. That is what a uniform fleet is!

[topekaguy1988]

I'm thinking speed holes. They make you go faster.

Hell yeah they do :D
*Starts making holes

[0wl]

*Starts making holes*

Making holes in a ship has never ever proven succesful! :p

Unless yer the one on the more healthier side 'o the cannon... :D

[-Rufus-]

I'll take a ship with rear spoilers, wheel guards, 3 inch lift kit, roll bars with KC lights, kangaroo bumper, running lights underneath, fuzzy dice hanging off the main screen, a bumper sticker on the back saying,"we brake for no-one!", flames down the side, and to top it off a button in the captains chair which activates the mighty aruga horn! :cool:

And ... make it a lowrider! :D

[topekaguy1988]

How about a Hello Kitty Vorcha cruiser :D

[Father_Origin]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

hmm well,

since most of the space game is played from a 3rd person point of view...not having ANY
ship customazation would make everyone look like a clone of everyone else.

imagine world of warcraft raid and everyone looked EXACTLY like everyone else.....lame

[47Wasps]

hmm well,

since most of the space game is played from a 3rd person point of view...not having ANY
ship customazation would make everyone look like a clone of everyone else.

imagine world of warcraft raid and everyone looked EXACTLY like everyone else.....lame

I don't mind minor customization of starships,however,the changes to the designs that could be made are (I feel) taking it too far. Imagine the Fleet scenes in DS9.The ships in those scenes could be described as "clones",but it worked out well in established canon.

[Father_Origin]

lol, personally.....I hate canon...love star trek, hate star trek canon lawyers

I think canon should be a very very minor part of the game, if canon is the major part,
it is not a game, it is a simulation...if it is a simulation...STO will financially fail.

Some folks don't really get reality, they think cryptic OWES them a fantasy star trek simulation
of thier dreams.

.......cryptic doesn't owe them jack

cryptic is a business.....in business.....to make money
IF they can do that and make a bunch of customers happy...GREAT

but...NEVER EVER think cryptic owes the Trekies ANYTHING.....they don't

[Ensign.Ricky]

All these ideas are golden. Keep them coming *takes notes*



I'm going for the "Fast & Furious" look. Neons, body kit, spinners on my nacelles, a spoiler on the rollbar and a bangin' sound system:p

Technically the Original Enterprise did have some sort of a spinners on the nacelles.

[Corehaven22]

lol, personally.....I hate canon...love star trek, hate star trek canon lawyers

I think canon should be a very very minor part of the game, if canon is the major part,
it is not a game, it is a simulation...if it is a simulation...STO will financially fail.

Some folks don't really get reality, they think cryptic OWES them a fantasy star trek simulation
of thier dreams.

.......cryptic doesn't owe them jack

cryptic is a business.....in business.....to make money
IF they can do that and make a bunch of customers happy...GREAT

but...NEVER EVER think cryptic owes the Trekies ANYTHING.....they don't

Star Trek is a fantastic franchise much loved by many many people. Its spawned 10 movies (an eleventh is coming), and five different TV shows. That sort of thing deserves some respect.

Perhaps the developers dont owe trekkies anything, but they do need to treat the franchise with the respect it deserves. I believe Cryptic is doing that. Cannon is part of that respect. If they went in and did anything they liked without considering how it affected the Star Trek property or universe, that would be a gross oversight on their part.

And it seems you forget, a LOT of Cryptics customers are going to be Trekies. So saying that cannon is not important or that the game shouldnt be made to make trekkies happy, it seems rediculous to my ears. Sorry for saying so.

[Ruzzell]

I think the best ship would have girlie mudflaps hanging off the back of the nacelles, like long haul truckers.

[47Wasps]

lol, personally.....I hate canon...love star trek, hate star trek canon lawyers

I think canon should be a very very minor part of the game, if canon is the major part,
it is not a game, it is a simulation...if it is a simulation...STO will financially fail.

Some folks don't really get reality, they think cryptic OWES them a fantasy star trek simulation
of thier dreams.

.......cryptic doesn't owe them jack

cryptic is a business.....in business.....to make money
IF they can do that and make a bunch of customers happy...GREAT

but...NEVER EVER think cryptic owes the Trekies ANYTHING.....they don't

Cryptic is not making a game for just anyone.
Sure,a fan of sci-fi could pick up a copy of STO,but they might be better of with something more generic,like Eve Online or maybe they'll have more fun with SWTOR.
This is Star Trek Online. Its about Star Trek. Every person on these forums is likely a Trekkie,and its the Trekkies that will make STO successful.
I

[Manx]

Cryptic is not making a game for just anyone.
Sure,a fan of sci-fi could pick up a copy of STO,but they might be better of with something more generic,like Eve Online or maybe they'll have more fun with SWTOR.
This is Star Trek Online. Its about Star Trek. Every person on these forums is likely a Trekkie,and its the Trekkies that will make STO successful.
I

With respect...

The only reason a non-trekkie would be better off with EVE is if EVE is better than STO.

The only reasons a non-trekkie would have more fun with SWTOR is if they are really big SW fans, or if SWTOR is more fun than STO.

A game that aims its self at a niche will never be more than a niche game. I imagine Cryptic knows better than to do that; we should know better too.

[USS_Enduring_Vengence]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.

Just for this, I'm Going to Costumize my Ship out the @$$ and Stick to you like Rubber-Cement

[Commodore_Rook]

Ok, maybe I will put them fake bullet hole stickers on my hull. :D

[PredatorSTO]

hmm, most of you have gone completely bonkers! :D


However, the fact that this game is going to take part in the future and by therefor ship customazation must be allowed is a futile argument.

In the episodes of voyager, when they meet "ships" from the 29th century, I didn't saw any "ridiculous customazation".

And this is no warcraft, it's STO. So that there is a cloning feel to it? too bad! You can make a difference by how you look, how you play, etc. there is no extreem need to customize.

But you could allow it for some alien races, and if you really need to customize, join one of those races.

[The.Grand.Nagus]

hmm, most of you have gone completely bonkers! :D


However, the fact that this game is going to take part in the future and by therefor ship customazation must be allowed is a futile argument.

In the episodes of voyager, when they meet "ships" from the 29th century, I didn't saw any "ridiculous customazation".

And this is no warcraft, it's STO. So that there is a cloning feel to it? too bad! You can make a difference by how you look, how you play, etc. there is no extreem need to customize.

But you could allow it for some alien races, and if you really need to customize, join one of those races.

Once again:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=456485#post456485

When you get ready to pay for my subscription, I'll let you tell me how my ship can look :o

[Storim]

Personally, I'm going for an "Oscar Mayer Weiner Bus flying in space." :D



I just want a Dr who Police Box with Warp Nacells...is that so wrong??

[Strandberg]

The concept of roleplaying in this game is based on ship customization

It would be like asking them not to have ship interiors in the game

[Hagon]

Cryptic is not making a game for just anyone.
Sure,a fan of sci-fi could pick up a copy of STO,but they might be better of with something more generic,like Eve Online or maybe they'll have more fun with SWTOR.
This is Star Trek Online. Its about Star Trek. Every person on these forums is likely a Trekkie,and its the Trekkies that will make STO successful.
INo it's not "Trekkies" that will make the game successful. Or "Trekkers" for that matter, of which I consider myself. Sorry, but that's simply a fallacy. There's just not enough that would be mmo gamers to make a Star Trek based mmo successful, and not enough that would be drawn in to playing a mmo to make it so either.

STO has to be designed for the mmo market. That Cryptic can do that and still show Star Trek the respect it deserves I have little doubt, and I think that's important, but if they forget who's going to butter their bread then they're just throwing money into the wind here.

The IP won't carry a game.

It might draw attention to a game. It might help with initial box sales of a game. It won't be what carries the game though. Fun game play is the only thing that will do that, as has been shown from the games that were disappointments to their developers (subscription wise) shortly after release like Star Wars Galaxies through to AoC and WAR.

[qoona]

if they do awesome game aimed for trek fans, thatn maybe alot of poeple come see why it is so awesome, but if they do medicore game aimed fo everyone, they probaly even fans wont play it.

[Captain-Derring]

I think customization would be fine, so long as it is not overdone. What i have seen in game videos to date looks fine.

[lokan]

With respect...

The only reason a non-trekkie would be better off with EVE is if EVE is better than STO.

The only reasons a non-trekkie would have more fun with SWTOR is if they are really big SW fans, or if SWTOR is more fun than STO.

A game that aims its self at a niche will never be more than a niche game. I imagine Cryptic knows better than to do that; we should know better too.


This. If Cryptic banks on the hope that millions of Trekkies are going to subscribe and thus relieve them of the need to appeal to....anyone else, STO is going to tank in a hurry.

It's fine to aim the general theme at Star Trek fans, both hardcore and more casual, but if they want to be really successful STO needs to appeal to anyone who has an interest in playing sci-fi/spaceship games, whether or not they've ever actually seen a single episode of Trek.

[Father_Origin]

This. If Cryptic banks on the hope that millions of Trekkies are going to subscribe and thus relieve them of the need to appeal to....anyone else, STO is going to tank in a hurry.

It's fine to aim the general theme at Star Trek fans, both hardcore and more casual, but if they want to be really successful STO needs to appeal to anyone who has an interest in playing sci-fi/spaceship games, whether or not they've ever actually seen a single episode of Trek.

yup, what he said

[PredatorSTO]

Once again:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=456485#post456485

When you get ready to pay for my subscription, I'll let you tell me how my ship can look :o



I know that it seems like I'm telling you what you can do with your ship or not, but it isn't your game (yet). I'm only asking for a trimmed down customization, because in my opinion I do not like this idea. But it's only asking... When the ship costumazation comes out I won't tell you what to do with your ship, deal?

Mine is going to be plain and beautifully polished.. ;)

[USS_Enduring_Vengence]

hmm, most of you have gone completely bonkers! :D


However, the fact that this game is going to take part in the future and by therefor ship customazation must be allowed is a futile argument.

In the episodes of voyager, when they meet "ships" from the 29th century, I didn't saw any "ridiculous customazation".

And this is no warcraft, it's STO. So that there is a cloning feel to it? too bad! You can make a difference by how you look, how you play, etc. there is no extreem need to customize.

But you could allow it for some alien races, and if you really need to customize, join one of those races.

Thats It!!!

*Starts B*tch-Slapping Anti-Customization People*

UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR MY COPY OF STO, I'M GOING TO CUSTOMIZE MY SHIP ANYWAY I LIKE, YOU DON'T LIKE IT!?! TOUGH SH*T!!!

[RevyUK]

At least not for federation ships. It would make the game strange... I have never seen federation ship with strange stripes or whatever.


However, I would understand if it would be made possible for some alien races.


The problem is that MMOs have mostly been built on diversity, and looking unique. I've seen many Devs across lots of MMOs get hounded by their potential customer base for variety. Too many time ive heard the cry of people shout "We dont want a world of clone armies."

I somewhat agree with where you are coming from, but i cant see it happening and personally i hope it doesnt. Right now without ships customisation, we arent left with much to set us apart from our neighbour. Starfleet uniforms will most likely be all the same. I doubt there will be any room for wardrobe variety, much to the dismay of Garek of DS9 ;) We could all do with a nice scarf on those icey worlds...

Without visual ship customisation, we are left with our starting race choices and the bridge crew... Its not a lot..

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

Thats It!!!

*Starts B*tch-Slapping Anti-Customization People*

UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR MY COPY OF STO, I'M GOING TO CUSTOMIZE MY SHIP ANYWAY I LIKE, YOU DON'T LIKE IT!?! TOUGH SH*T!!!

This kind of reaction is completely unnecessary.

[AaronH]

Customization is very much a part of Star Trek. How many times did we see a kitbash? How many times did we see two ships of the same class, but one had different nacelles or added phaser banks or a slightly different paint job. Just because it will be you choosing what to put together instead of some hack miniatures guy, doesn't change the fact that it was in Star Trek.

[Krix]

At last sto must have the star trek flair. It must smell like star trek, it must feel like star trek , it must be star trek.

Would stormtroopers with racing stripes or red flames, flashes on the armor be star wars like?
Would jango or boba fett with fake bullet hole stickers on the armor ...would it be star wars like?.

Or would that be silly?

[qoona]

well this star trek Online, not star trekish looking generic space ship game Online

[PredatorSTO]

This kind of reaction is completely unnecessary.

I lol'ed though...

[AaronH]

Would stormtroopers with racing stripes or red flames, flashes on the armor be star wars like?
Would jango or boba fett with fake bullet hole stickers on the armor ...would it be star wars like?.


Yes, yes it would.

[CustodianVarl]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Cryptic make games where you can customize your character (or ship in this case) any way you like. If you want a unique look, do that. If you want to look like a standard ship, that is also perfectly acceptable.

Don't take out options, just choose not to use those options if you don't want them. It has already been stated by the devs that the internal components of a ship will not be the same as the external custom pieces; so you can still upgrade your ship and make it look like a stock vessel.

[Corehaven22]

I thought the whole ship costumization was supposed to be a huge bonus to the game. One of Cryptics grand ideas. The fact that some folks may not want it sort of confuses and surprises me.

Its like getting that big TV you always wanted for Christmas and then complaining that it came with a Blue Ray player. I just dont get it. I guess theres some people you just cant please.

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

I thought the whole ship costumization was supposed to be a huge bonus to the game. One of Cryptics grand ideas. The fact that some folks may not want it sort of confuses and surprises me.

Its like getting that big TV you always wanted for Christmas and then complaining that it came with a Blue Ray player. I just dont get it. I guess theres some people you just cant please.

In this case, it's not that there's people you "can't please", although that's sometimes true in the general sense. Everyone has different views about what's important, and I certainly think that concerns over how far customization can be taken are valid. I agree with the general principle that really dramatic customization - the pink racing stripes example - is a detriment to the game.

That said, it seems from their public statements that Cryptic shares these concerns and is acting to minimize that.

I will say that people who are expecting Cryptic might abandon this feature are forgetting that this is one of the company's signatures as a designer, and was always certain to play a prominent role.

[djnattyd]

If people want ship customisation taking out because it's "un-trek", then i assume the same people want the character creator removing too? Because every Klingon looks the same, every Vulcan has the same hair style, every Andorian has the same length antennae.

[PredatorSTO]

If people want ship customisation taking out because it's "un-trek", then i assume the same people want the character creator removing too? Because every Klingon looks the same, every Vulcan has the same hair style, every Andorian has the same length antennae.

no, of course not, I very much like the character creator... as I stated in my posts here, you can have your individualism with this option... It's really only about the ship customization.

But I have changed my viewpoint, to some extend customazation on federation ships isn't too bad... as long as it doesn't make the game look childish and chaotic... :p

[Shakari]

Mine will have racing strips to go faster... wooohoooo....:D

You know, red things go faster than all other things... :P

[Awarkle]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/StoneTrek.jpg

i just remembered that from years ago, good ole stone trek :D

thats how i want my ships to look like pre stone age fred flintstones :)

[roach3000]

did anyone look at the Enterprize designs some were designed by famous people. I recognized Robert Rodriquez and Jim Lee of X-Men and Wildcats fame

[CherryTerri]

I don't mind minor customization of starships,however,the changes to the designs that could be made are (I feel) taking it too far. Imagine the Fleet scenes in DS9.The ships in those scenes could be described as "clones",but it worked out well in established canon.

Look on the bright side ...

at least you have your own ships!!!

::screams and chases some people around::

[Akumaka]

I don't think the customizations are anything to worry about. I figure it will be some minor cosmetic customization options and interior customization. For example Fleet Insignias, Starship Names, and maybe some color and pattern variations. For interior, I'm refering to being able to customize the equiptment used in your ship, such as weapons, warp cores, impulse drives, shields, circuitry, etc, to try to kit your ship to whatever purpose you desire, within reason of course.

I don't believe we are going to have to worry about anything to out of hand, like takeing a Galaxy Class ship, moving the Engineering Section and Warp Nacelles on top of the Saucer Section and calling it an Andorian.